View Full Version : Boston is imploding: Celtics hold team meeting after losing to the Bucks
k0kakw0rld
12-22-2018, 02:22 AM
Boston is imploding :banana: :rockon:
I was watching after the buzzer with Jalen and Pierce.
Kyrie: "I can do whatever I want out there" sending shots to Stevens :oldlol:
This kid wants all the glory. He doesn't care about team success. Great move, Danny Ainge.
100grandman
12-22-2018, 02:32 AM
I didn't like that comment by Kyrie.
Wally450
12-22-2018, 09:00 AM
They'll turn it around starting with a win over the 76ers on Christmas.
Akrazotile
12-22-2018, 09:05 AM
Kyrie is what happens when you have “mamba mentality” without having “shaq and pau on your team” reality.
ILLsmak
12-22-2018, 09:40 AM
They do have injuries tho
-Smak
Gus Hemmingway
12-22-2018, 11:18 AM
[QUOTE=Akrazotile]Kyrie is what happens when you have
CelticBaller
12-22-2018, 11:32 AM
Raptors have no excuses this year
CelticBaller
12-22-2018, 11:37 AM
[QUOTE=Akrazotile]Kyrie is what happens when you have
superduper
12-22-2018, 11:52 AM
Impressive.
He must have won a lot of playoff games so far in his career without "Le2/9" then. He's clearly a strong #1 option.
How many has he won on his own?
What does that have to do with what I said? Why are you deflecting?
What I said is a 100% fact that cannot be debated or disagreed. Deflecting won't change that.
Real14
12-22-2018, 11:56 AM
They do have injuries tho
-Smak
End thread.
Akrazotile
12-22-2018, 11:57 AM
What does that have to do with what I said? Why are you deflecting?
What I said is a 100% fact that cannot be debated or disagreed. Deflecting won't change that.
I wasn't deflecting anything. The first thing I said was: "impressive."
Then I simply asked a followup question. A player who's that valuable and dominant in an NBA Finals probably wins playoff games in a variety of contexts.
I know he's played some years without Lebron, I'm just a little fuzzy remembering his playoff results those years. Was wondering if you could drop some knawlz on it.
And also if you could post the same info for Kevin Love that'd be terrific.
I appreciate it brother man.
'Toine=MVP
12-22-2018, 12:03 PM
With every additional Celtics loss (and there have been too many), any rational observer will realize that the importance of Kyrie just rises. He's often the only guy locked in out there and that quote is very encouraging.
Having said that, the Celtics when healthy give a lot of minutes at the 4 and 5 to Horford, Morris, and Baynes and none were available last night. That's a big blow. If the Celtics were playing a bit better, they would have probably beaten the Bucks even without them, but things aren't quite right yet in Boston. Add in injuries, and it's not a good combo.
This is still the favorite to get out of the East but right now the odds are lower than in the preseason and it no longer looks like they'll have a very legit shot to take down the Warriors. I think they can get back to that level, but they aren't there now.
superduper
12-22-2018, 12:04 PM
I wasn't deflecting anything. The first thing I said was: "impressive."
Then I simply asked a followup question. A player who's that valuable and dominant in an NBA Finals probably wins playoff games in a variety of contexts.
I know he's played some years without Lebron, I'm just a little fuzzy remembering his playoff results those years. Was wondering if you could drop some knawlz on it.
And also if you could post the same info for Kevin Love that'd be terrific.
I appreciate it brother man.
After you post the info of Pau Gasol before Kobe :cheers:
PP34Deuce
12-22-2018, 12:23 PM
Ainge needs to trade some of these assets for a veteran all star. They have z lot of depth at guard and sf but lack bigs after baynes and Horford. Anthony Davis on this team would be great. Lakers are def trying to beat boston to the punch. In the end ainge will have 3 4 players wanting max deals.
'Toine=MVP
12-22-2018, 12:49 PM
Ainge needs to trade some of these assets for a veteran all star. They have z lot of depth at guard and sf but lack bigs after baynes and Horford. Anthony Davis on this team would be great. Lakers are def trying to beat boston to the punch. In the end ainge will have 3 4 players wanting max deals.
Celtics can't trade for Davis until next off-season. Weird NBA contract rules.
ArbitraryWater
12-22-2018, 12:57 PM
[QUOTE=Akrazotile]Kyrie is what happens when you have
Akrazotile
12-22-2018, 01:03 PM
Lmao.
Perfect
https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000110779571-gq63r5-t500x500.jpg
:hammertime:
Kyrie getting exposed for the black hole that he is, Boston would most likely be top of the standings if he wasn
'Toine=MVP
12-22-2018, 01:18 PM
[QUOTE=Keno]Kyrie getting exposed for the black hole that he is, Boston would most likely be top of the standings if he wasn
ArbitraryWater
12-22-2018, 01:25 PM
Kyrie is keeping the ship together. It would be brutal without him.
what indicates that?
they made the ECF G7 without him, lol. and kyrie didnt bother to show up cause he feared the image of bron winning it right next to him
k0kakw0rld
12-22-2018, 01:30 PM
Raptors have no excuses this year
And the Celtics do? Ain't they supposed to be the favorite? Don't they have the "Closer" :oldlol: :lol :roll:
Now you want to put the ball in our hands? :confusedshrug: :oldlol: Coward
CelticBaller
12-22-2018, 01:31 PM
what indicates that?
they made the ECF G7 without him, lol. and kyrie didnt bother to show up cause he feared the image of bron winning it right next to him
I don
CelticBaller
12-22-2018, 01:32 PM
And the Celtics do? Ain't they supposed to be the favorite? Don't they have the "Closer" :oldlol: :lol :roll:
Now you want to put the ball in our hands? :confusedshrug: :oldlol: Coward
I thought last year was a fluke? I thought Lebron was the only player holding the raptors back
The Raptors have the best player in the league according to you guys
dbugz
12-22-2018, 01:34 PM
Everyone forgets that Celtics with Kyrie last season is the 2nd seed in the eastern conference before he got injured and only like 1 game away for the top seed.
Clearly he isn't the problem.
Old Man River
12-22-2018, 01:34 PM
[QUOTE=Akrazotile]Kyrie is what happens when you have
Hey Yo
12-22-2018, 01:42 PM
What does that have to do with what I said? Why are you deflecting?
What I said is a 100% fact that cannot be debated or disagreed. Deflecting won't change that.
If the buzzer went off to end the game, then you would be correct. But there was 56 seconds left in the game when Kyrie's shot went in.
Nice try though.
k0kakw0rld
12-22-2018, 01:48 PM
Everyone forgets that Celtics with Kyrie last season is the 2nd seed in the eastern conference before he got injured and only like 1 game away for the top seed.
Clearly he isn't the problem.
Kyrie did not play a single minute of playoff basketball with Boston, idiot. Shut your idiotic ass up :biggums:
ArbitraryWater
12-22-2018, 01:50 PM
[QUOTE=CelticBaller]I don
k0kakw0rld
12-22-2018, 01:52 PM
I thought last year was a fluke? I thought Lebron was the only player holding the raptors back
The Raptors have the best player in the league according to you guys
No, we said that we had the best player in the East. (Seems like Giannis has some to say about it too). We also said to y'all delusional celtics fans that best players usually beats a good team (unless that team has 3 or 4 all stars).
Even after LeBron left, Kyrie still isn't better than Kawhi, Giannis, Oladipo and Embiid. Boston only has 1 all star in Kyrie. We just wanted you guys to realize that Boston did not have enough compared to Toronto, Milwaukee and Philly, for y'all to even attempt to make fun of our teams. :oldlol:
Kyrie is a product of Lebron and without him I'd still debate if he'd be more relevant than somebody like Lillard.
dbugz
12-22-2018, 01:58 PM
Kyrie did not play a single minute of playoff basketball with Boston, idiot. Shut your idiotic ass up :biggums:
dumb@ss! where on my post did I say playoffs? :oldlol:
Are we going to play your "if" game again? because I ain't playing that stupid "if" argument. :oldlol:
ArbitraryWater
12-22-2018, 02:01 PM
Kyrie is a product of Lebron and without him I'd still debate if he'd be more relevant than somebody like Lillard.
Kyrie averaged 27 on 47/41/94 in a finals series to beat GS and 31 on 51/47/95 from 0-2 down, which includes a game 6 2nd half in which he was hobbled in.
I'd give him the edge based on that.
CelticBaller
12-22-2018, 02:02 PM
source?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/celticswire.usatoday.com/2018/12/06/al-horford-it-all-starts-with-kyrie-for-us/amp/
CelticBaller
12-22-2018, 02:03 PM
No, we said that we had the best player in the East. (Seems like Giannis has some to say about it too). We also said to y'all delusional celtics fans that best players usually beats a good team (unless that team has 3 or 4 all stars).
Even after LeBron left, Kyrie still isn't better than Kawhi, Giannis, Oladipo and Embiid. Boston only has 1 all star in Kyrie. We just wanted you guys to realize that Boston did not have enough compared to Toronto, Milwaukee and Philly, for y'all to even attempt to make fun of our teams. :oldlol:
So no excuses
k0kakw0rld
12-22-2018, 02:10 PM
So no excuses
I just need the "Kyrie is a top 10 player" bullshit, to stop. Can you make it happen? :confusedshrug:
hold this L
12-22-2018, 02:14 PM
Boston is imploding :banana: :rockon:
I was watching after the buzzer with Jalen and Pierce.
Kyrie: "I can do whatever I want out there" sending shots to Stevens :oldlol:
This kid wants all the glory. He doesn't care about team success. Great move, Danny Ainge.
Imagine being dumb enough to call the IT Kyrie trade bad for Celtics.
Imagine being that much of a breathing moron.
k0kakw0rld
12-22-2018, 02:15 PM
dumb@ss! where on my post did I say playoffs? :oldlol:
Are we going to play your "if" game again? because I ain't playing that stupid "if" argument. :oldlol:
Kobe lovers and LeBron raptors haters said regular season play doesn't matter. First off, Kyrie never led a team to the playoffs without LeBron. Never got into the playoffs as the main guy (iroincally last season also applies, since he did not play a single minute of playoff basketball) :oldlol: :lol
My main point against Kyrie is that he never proved to be that main guy that can lead teams to the promise land. I maintain what I said before. You put Lillard next to LeBron and the same shit. Lillard has something personal against Steph and GSW.
Nothing special about Kyrie. Other than he makes difficult moves and shots which increases risks of injuries.
k0kakw0rld
12-22-2018, 02:17 PM
Imagine being dumb enough to call the IT Kyrie trade bad for Celtics.
Imagine being that much of a breathing moron.
It is dumb to think that someone who never led a group of youngsters before to a playoff or to anything for that matter, can be the best player on a championship team. Don't you think? :confusedshrug:
hold this L
12-22-2018, 02:19 PM
It is dumb to think that someone who never led a group of youngsters before to a playoff or to anything for that matter, can be the best player on a championship team. Don't you think? :confusedshrug:
Who knows about that? But that trade deal is one of the biggest robberies of the decade. I think they keep Kyrie and trade off a lot of their players for AD next summer, that would put them as a top 2 (or 3 if KD leaves to a top team) in the NBA.
ArbitraryWater
12-22-2018, 02:23 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/celticswire.usatoday.com/2018/12/06/al-horford-it-all-starts-with-kyrie-for-us/amp/
yea, thats not close to what you said.
thats a generic quote most say about their best player.
k0kakw0rld
12-22-2018, 02:24 PM
Who knows about that? But that trade deal is one of the biggest robberies of the decade. I think they keep Kyrie and trade off a lot of their players for AD next summer, that would put them as a top 2 (or 3 if KD leaves to a top team) in the NBA.
Exactly. No one should take the Celtics seriously. Especially when their leader is Kyrie Irving. And you confirm what I've been saying. Only if you bring a top 5 player in this league next to him, that I will believe the Boston hype. Until then, good luck for the rest of the season.
Patrick Chewing
12-22-2018, 02:26 PM
Tatum should be taking over games and taking over this team right about now. Not sure why he's only shown a small improvement from last season.
CelticBaller
12-22-2018, 02:32 PM
yea, thats not close to what you said.
thats a generic quote most say about their best player.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.givemesport.com/1271572-al-horford-claims-kyrie-irving-is-the-true-leader-of-the-celtics%3famp
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.celticsblog.com/platform/amp/2018/1/18/16905002/exclusive-terry-rozier-on-kyrie-irving-as-a-leader-on-and-off-the-court-video-nba-dunk-contest
They
dbugz
12-22-2018, 03:32 PM
Kobe lovers and LeBron raptors haters said regular season play doesn't matter. First off, Kyrie never led a team to the playoffs without LeBron. Never got into the playoffs as the main guy (iroincally last season also applies, since he did not play a single minute of playoff basketball)
My main point against Kyrie is that he never proved to be that main guy that can lead teams to the promise land. I maintain what I said before. You put Lillard next to LeBron and the same shit. Lillard has something personal against Steph and GSW.
The irony is! Your boy Kyle Lowry never got in to the playoffs as well as the main guy. :roll: always a 2nd fiddle to Derozan :oldlol:
Show me a season where he's better than Demar :oldlol: got carried only by his half trash bro Derozan and now a 2nd fiddle to Kawhi :roll:
What season is he now? 13th? and never got in to the playoffs as the main guy while Kyrie is just on his 2nd year outside the Cavs.
I can't remember me or any legit Cs fans here said that Kyrie is better than Lillard or Kemba. You're just to obsessed with him that you are already became delusional.
Kyrie living rent free in your head :roll:
https://media.giphy.com/media/26zzdvOdLA3vCNnsA/source.gif
k0kakw0rld
12-22-2018, 04:29 PM
The irony is! Your boy Kyle Lowry never got in to the playoffs as well as the main guy. :roll: always a 2nd fiddle to Derozan :oldlol:
Show me a season where he's better than Demar :oldlol: got carried only by his half trash bro Derozan and now a 2nd fiddle to Kawhi :roll:
What season is he now? 13th? and never got in to the playoffs as the main guy while Kyrie is just on his 2nd year outside the Cavs.
I can't remember me or any legit Cs fans here said that Kyrie is better than Lillard or Kemba. You're just to obsessed with him that you are already became delusional.
Kyrie living rent free in your head :roll:
https://media.giphy.com/media/26zzdvOdLA3vCNnsA/source.gif
"When losing an argument happens"
What does Lowry have to do with anything we have been talking about, retard? Your point would've had more substance if I didn't already dislike Lowry. One thing is for sure he is a better "point guard" and "defender" than Kyrie Irving. No one ever said Lowry was a capable first option. No one's hating. Stating the truth isn't hating, fool.
dbugz
12-22-2018, 04:49 PM
"When losing an argument happens"
What does Lowry have to do with anything we have been talking about, retard? Your point would've had more substance if I didn't already dislike Lowry. One thing is for sure he is a better "point guard" and "defender" than Kyrie Irving. No one ever said Lowry was a capable first option. No one's hating. Stating the truth isn't hating, fool.
The irony again :oldlol:
You quoted my post where I'm talking about Celtics standing last season when kyrie is still playing during the "regular season" and you're the one who inserted "bbbuuttt he never got in to the playoffs as the main man" argument.
Get the **** off!
Rent free in your head
https://media1.giphy.com/media/l0HlRtycgPrUCdNBe/giphy-downsized.gif
k0kakw0rld
12-22-2018, 06:10 PM
The irony again :oldlol:
You quoted my post where I'm talking about Celtics standing last season when kyrie is still playing during the "regular season" and you're the one who inserted "bbbuuttt he never got in to the playoffs as the main man" argument.
Get the **** off!
Rent free in your head
https://media1.giphy.com/media/l0HlRtycgPrUCdNBe/giphy-downsized.gif
What does a ring earned as a sidekick have to do with the Celtics tho? :confusedshrug:
The conclusion of the season confirmed everything that i have been saying about Kyrie Irving. He can be replaced by any decent PG (Rozier) and still his presence wouldn't be missed. First off, you want to give full credit to someone who can not stay healthy. And for a season which he watched his teammate reach the conference final and were literally at one game from the NBA final. That is my point about Kyrie. Don't look elsewhere you have been sleeping on the truth, it's time for you to wake your ass up, fool.
Kyrie averaged 27 on 47/41/94 in a finals series to beat GS and 31 on 51/47/95 from 0-2 down, which includes a game 6 2nd half in which he was hobbled in.
I'd give him the edge based on that.
I get that, but put Lillard in that position and I'm sure he'd average similar numbers.
34-24 Footwork
12-22-2018, 06:42 PM
[QUOTE=CelticBaller]I don
dbugz
12-22-2018, 07:10 PM
What does a ring earned as a sidekick have to do with the Celtics tho? :confusedshrug:
The conclusion of the season confirmed everything that i have been saying about Kyrie Irving. He can be replaced by any decent PG (Rozier) and still his presence wouldn't be missed. First off, you want to give full credit to someone who can not stay healthy. And for a season which he watched his teammate reach the conference final and were literally at one game from the NBA final. That is my point about Kyrie. Don't look elsewhere you have been sleeping on the truth, it's that yo wake yourself up, fool.
It can be that or it can go the other way which is actually beating the Cavs. I don't wanna play the IF games.
It's unfair to judge a player base on one season alone. I will not include his Cavs days before Lebron arrived because he's only a 3rd year player back then playing with scrubs.
Judging him w/out him even playing is like putting him in a gun duel w/out him even having a gun on his holster. Totally unfair.
Again, I'm not saying he's better than Kemba or Lillard. Him being a leader will be tested this season and let's just wait and see.
What I'm just pointing out here is, base on the conversation about the Celtics current struggle "now", Kyrie isn't the problem given the fact that they have good standing when he was still playing last season.
You quoting every single Kyrie posts on this forum is just pathetic. He really must be owning a lot of real estate on your mind. :oldlol:
ArbitraryWater
12-22-2018, 07:11 PM
I get that, but put Lillard in that position and I'm sure he'd average similar numbers.
thats what i doubt.. but who knows
Knicksfever2010
12-22-2018, 07:39 PM
Boston is imploding :banana: :rockon:
I was watching after the buzzer with Jalen and Pierce.
Kyrie: "I can do whatever I want out there" sending shots to Stevens :oldlol:
This kid wants all the glory. He doesn't care about team success. Great move, Danny Ainge.
Kyrie is GONE in the summer of 2019, HELLO to Knicks and Durant, Zion, KP6, Knox, Mitchell etc.
Real14
12-22-2018, 07:42 PM
[QUOTE=Keno]Kyrie getting exposed for the black hole that he is, Boston would most likely be top of the standings if he wasn
k0kakw0rld
12-23-2018, 10:41 AM
thats what i doubt.. but who knows
Lillard is a better player than Irving
CelticBaller
12-23-2018, 01:45 PM
Lillard is a better player than Irving
Except both eye test and advance metrics say otherwise :roll:
Manny98
12-23-2018, 02:41 PM
Crazy how Kyries teams are always surrounded with lots of drama
dbugz
12-23-2018, 05:07 PM
Crazy how Kyries teams are always surrounded with lots of drama
says by someone whose avatar is probably the most drama magnet/maker in the league :roll: :roll:
Manny98
12-23-2018, 05:16 PM
says by someone whose avatar is probably the most drama magnet/maker in the league :roll: :roll:
Lakers have been probably the most drama free team this season
Real14
12-23-2018, 05:20 PM
[QUOTE=Keno]Kyrie getting exposed for the black hole that he is, Boston would most likely be top of the standings if he wasn
dbugz
12-23-2018, 05:25 PM
Lakers have been probably the most drama free team this season
the brawl
almost fire the coach
flirting on the ideas of trading the young guns
LeQuit tampering rule on acquiring Davis
LeQuit wanted to sign the controversial Melo
drama free :oldlol:
Except both eye test and advance metrics say otherwise :roll:
What do you mean by advanced metrics? RPM? RPM decisively favored Lillard last year. This year Kyrie has the edge so far but based on history, good chance Lillard overtakes him.
Manny98
12-23-2018, 05:30 PM
5th seed in the East :roll: :roll: :roll:
Celtics bout to be a 1st round exit team with Cancerie at the helm
https://media.giphy.com/media/rgqIbbVpelfc4/giphy.gif
dbugz
12-23-2018, 05:47 PM
^just imagine Kyrie dancing on this hater head every single day
Kyrie renting free :bowdown: :oldlol:
JohnnySic
12-23-2018, 05:58 PM
Thank God ISH was down and I missed this garbage bait click thread. :oldlol:
Yeah, the Celtics lost to the Bucks, but lets ignore that they were playing without their 3 best bigs (Horford, Morris, Baynes) . Doesn't fit the narrative.
I couldn't care less if the C's finish @ .500 and squeak into the playoffs as an 8th seed. All that matters is that they are healthy and peaking in April. If they are, they will make the finals. If they're not, they wont, its that simple. A loss in December is irrelevant.
But feel free to make a post every time they lose a game and enjoy that 8 cents of ad revenue or whatever it earns you. :oldlol:
CelticBaller
12-23-2018, 06:18 PM
What do you mean by advanced metrics? RPM? RPM decisively favored Lillard last year. This year Kyrie has the edge so far but based on history, good chance Lillard overtakes him.
Were talking about right now and Kyrie is the better player rpm and per 100
Efg% too
Get the **** outta here bitchass Kyrie hater
Real14
12-23-2018, 06:50 PM
From Cleveland to Miami, to Cleveland to Los Angeles.....
The internet got these d1ckriders bandwagoning with no resistance :oldlol:
It's very sickening to he honest. Greats like Mj, Kobe, Magic, Bird and Zeke never had this problem.
Wally450
12-23-2018, 09:08 PM
Damn, do they playoffs start next week or something? Everyone commenting on where the Celtics are going to finish and shit.
You're right, we're never going to figure it out in the final 50 games of the season. :facepalm
Meticode
12-23-2018, 09:36 PM
I felt Kyrie going to Boston wasn't going to work long-term. The team is most successful if they play team basketball, and Irving's greatest success is playing the exact opposite of that. That's why he excelled in Cleveland. If LeBron wasn't handling the ball, he's let Kyrie doing it to get his and it worked for one season.
CelticBaller
12-23-2018, 09:56 PM
I felt Kyrie going to Boston wasn't going to work long-term. The team is most successful if they play team basketball, and Irving's greatest success is playing the exact opposite of that. That's why he excelled in Cleveland. If LeBron wasn't handling the ball, he's let Kyrie doing it to get his and it worked for one season.
Except this team plays well with Kyrie and at a 60 win pace with him last year
If you don
Dray n Klay
12-23-2018, 10:06 PM
[QUOTE=CelticBaller]Except this team plays well with Kyrie and at a 60 win pace with him last year
If you don
CelticBaller
12-23-2018, 10:23 PM
You guys did better with the 5'9 midget than you're doing with Kyrie this year :roll:
lmao no we didn't. We were 17-13 on dec 23 and our team didn't face any key injuries :oldlol:
k0kakw0rld
12-24-2018, 12:31 PM
lmao no we didn't. We were 17-13 on dec 23 and our team didn't face any key injuries :oldlol:
One man averaged 29 ppg and the other is averaging 22 ppg :confusedshrug:
DMAVS41
12-24-2018, 12:41 PM
Kyrie is an elite player and certainly makes the Celtics better...especially this year.
However, that has never been the interesting question.
The question is what makes the most sense beyond this year for the future of this Celtics team. I don't know the answer specifically, but I do think a move is in order.
This team suffers from "too many cooks in the kitchen" and there is simply no way the key players can all play optimally together. That doesn't mean it won't work with this group at some point...hell, it might work this year because they are so talented.
But if I'm Ainge...I'm really exploring some moves with those picks and guys like Terry and Brown...and exploring what to do with Kyrie as well.
It is an interesting situation from a team building perspective. The "others" looked quite strong last year without Kyrie and Gordon...and they all come cheaper and younger.
Is Kyrie the guy you want to offer that huge contract to for the next 4 years?
I'd say he definitely is for 99% of scenarios for teams, but the Celtics are in a very odd place in which they have the assets to get really creative with this roster in a way very few teams ever have the ability to.
Anyway...will be really interesting to see how this plays out...and will be even more interesting if the Sixers actually find a way to add a couple more real NBA players and make try to make a run this year.
Ben Simmons 25
12-24-2018, 01:39 PM
Kyrie is an elite player and certainly makes the Celtics better...especially this year.
However, that has never been the interesting question.
The question is what makes the most sense beyond this year for the future of this Celtics team. I don't know the answer specifically, but I do think a move is in order.
This team suffers from "too many cooks in the kitchen" and there is simply no way the key players can all play optimally together. That doesn't mean it won't work with this group at some point...hell, it might work this year because they are so talented.
But if I'm Ainge...I'm really exploring some moves with those picks and guys like Terry and Brown...and exploring what to do with Kyrie as well.
It is an interesting situation from a team building perspective. The "others" looked quite strong last year without Kyrie and Gordon...and they all come cheaper and younger.
Is Kyrie the guy you want to offer that huge contract to for the next 4 years?
I'd say he definitely is for 99% of scenarios for teams, but the Celtics are in a very odd place in which they have the assets to get really creative with this roster in a way very few teams ever have the ability to.
Anyway...will be really interesting to see how this plays out...and will be even more interesting if the Sixers actually find a way to add a couple more real NBA players and make try to make a run this year.
I agree with nearly all of your post but I strongly disagree with the idea that Kyrie is worth a completely max $40 million a year deal... absolutely no way is that true... for any team.
DMAVS41
12-24-2018, 02:04 PM
I agree with nearly all of your post but I strongly disagree with the idea that Kyrie is worth a completely max $40 million a year deal... absolutely no way is that true... for any team.
Let me put it another way...because I think we probably agree here more than you think.
Kyrie is about to turn 27. So he's right in the heart of his prime as a basketball player. He doesn't overly rely on athletic ability to make an impact...so, in theory, he should age as well or better than most players. However, he does have an injury history that is cause for real concern imo.
In a vacuum...the question is, would I pay Kyrie 40 million a year for 4 years this summer?
My answer is that in most circumstances the answer will be yes, but the team paying him won't feel as good about it as they'd like.
Is he "worth it"? Well, probably not in terms of his comparative value vs other players making that much or simply a dollar vs. value analysis.
However, getting Kyrie locked up for 4 years in the heart of his prime is worth the gamble imo, again, under most circumstances.
The Celtics just happen to find themselves in a circumstance that, at least in my opinion, where the above is less true than under most conditions.
PP34Deuce
12-24-2018, 02:15 PM
Giving 40m a year to a player means they have to be either...
Young under 27 with incredible dominant abilities (Giannis)
Face of the league and remarkably consistently great. (Lebron)
Offensive superstar in the prime of their career and have gone far in the playoffs (harden, curry)
Kyrie in theory is tough to gauge. Hes never going to be a play 70+ games a season guy.
CelticBaller
12-24-2018, 03:26 PM
One man averaged 29 ppg and the other is averaging 22 ppg :confusedshrug:
And what does that have to do with the team supposedly doing better?
And he was averaging 27 with a 1.7 BPM btw
Real Men Wear Green
12-24-2018, 03:36 PM
Whoever has his Bird rights at the end of the season will offer Irving the max and that is overwhelmingly likely to be the Celtics. The reason why is very simple: He is a great clutch scorer in his prime and the Celtics are a playoff team. The Celtics wouldn't be able to replace him with Antetokunmpo, Durant, or AD this season, no one on the tier of players clearly above him is going to force their team to trade them here for him. Losing him will not give the Celtics cap space for someone better and in a few years they'll be annihilating the cap further to keep Tatum and (I still believe in) Brown.
AD could be on his way out of NO next summer but if he comes to Boston he will want to play with Irving and Irving is not going to s+t to join a rebuild in Orleans. If the Cs bring Davis in it's the wing players who would have cause for concern.
k0kakw0rld
12-25-2018, 11:32 AM
And what does that have to do with the team supposedly doing better?
And he was averaging 27 with a 1.7 BPM btw
Someone said Kyrie can score 27 ppg when he wants to. That's a myth because he never actually averaged 27 ppg for a full season. Playoffs experience with LeBron doesn't count. That's why I only mentioned regular season stats. To be fair for the others I mentioned in the OP.
Real Men Wear Green
12-25-2018, 11:42 AM
Someone said Kyrie can score 27 ppg when he wants to. That's a myth because he never actually averaged 27 ppg for a full season. Playoffs experience with LeBron doesn't count. That's why I only mentioned regular season stats. To be fair for the others I mentioned in the OP.Thus proving that you don't understand basketball.
k0kakw0rld
12-26-2018, 07:55 PM
Thus proving that you don't understand basketball.
You were such a master at the game, you wouldn't be typing from behind a computer screen, sir.
Kyrie hasn't proven to be capable of playing a full 82 games regular season. Meaning he's not capable of staying healthy. Never did I say that he wasn't a great scorer. He is in fact a great scorer but also a very inefficient one. He has the ability to get to the basket but lacks the "Harden" ability to draw fouls. Which affects his ppg.
k0kakw0rld
01-12-2019, 11:47 PM
Now Jaylen Brown and Marcus Morris :roll: :oldlol:
Wally450
01-12-2019, 11:51 PM
Even with problems the Celtics are still gonna win the East. Let that sink in. :oldlol: :roll:
Manny98
01-12-2019, 11:53 PM
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
https://i.postimg.cc/1XD3hTFQ/tenor-1.gif
k0kakw0rld
01-29-2019, 09:32 PM
Well well, :oldlol:
apparently Kyrie wants to reunite with LeBron. Is there any truth to that? :confusedshrug:
CelticBaller
01-29-2019, 10:10 PM
Jackie Macmillan just denied the reports and confirmed rich Paul ifs putting fake news out there :oldlol:
Celtics 1825
01-29-2019, 10:12 PM
Why would he want back with LeBron? Wasn't the whole reason he left Cleveland was so that he could be the man on his team?
r15mohd
01-29-2019, 10:29 PM
Jackie Macmillan just denied the reports and confirmed rich Paul ifs putting fake news out there :oldlol:
didnt Ric Bucher leak it :confusedshrug:
Real Men Wear Green
01-29-2019, 10:36 PM
Why would he want back with LeBron? Wasn't the whole reason he left Cleveland was so that he could be the man on his team?
There will be increasingly high level of BS floated as we approach the trade deadline and the only actual quotes from Irving indicate a strong desire to be a Celtic. That being said Irving never said James is the reason he left. In fact it's known that one of Irving's biggest problems with the Cavs was that management had put him on the trade block in the past. I can't tell you exactly why he left but that had to have hurt. Currently he is clearly on good terms with James and there's reason to believe that he wouldn't be mad if they were teammates again. I mainly don't buy this story because he said that he wants to stay here.
But all bets are off if they don't offer him every penny they can.
CelticBaller
01-30-2019, 01:30 AM
didnt Ric Bucher leak it :confusedshrug:
Rich Bucher is reporter and they get their stuff from Agents
Rich Bucher also said KD was going to LA in 2016 and LeBron was 100% a Knick in 2010
And1AllDay
01-30-2019, 01:40 AM
Rich Bucher also said KD was going to LA in 2016 and LeBron was 100% a Knick in 2010
So basically Rich Bucher is the KennyG of the NBA reporting world
k0kakw0rld
02-27-2019, 11:26 AM
Even with problems the Celtics are still gonna win the East. Let that sink in. :oldlol: :roll:
Are you still convinced? :oldlol: :confusedshrug:
Manny98
02-27-2019, 11:35 AM
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
https://i.postimg.cc/1XD3hTFQ/tenor-1.gif
What a time
https://i.postimg.cc/rpwL3wvZ/tenor-1.gif
Wally450
02-27-2019, 11:42 AM
Are you still convinced? :oldlol: :confusedshrug:
With a month and half left of basketball, yea why not? We anoint champions in October, why can't we do the same in February?
Jasper
02-27-2019, 07:44 PM
They have the experience / but do they have the chemistry ?
k0kakw0rld
02-27-2019, 07:56 PM
They have the experience / but do they have the chemistry ?
We got a few guys that came from the Western Conference (Gasol, Green, Kawhi aka FMVP, even Patrick McCaw). They went through more battles than all the Celtics players combined. You are talking about "they have the experience" :facepalm :oldlol:
Despite losing badly to LeBron, Lowry, Ibaka, Siakam, VanVleet, OG, all have playoff experience.
Boston should worry about getting out of that 5th seed. If they avoid facing the Sixers in the first round, they will face the Bucks in the second round.
Toronto with the 2nd seed, will be facing the Pistons in the first round then, the Nets/Pacers in the second round. Just like LeBron did us dirty last season.
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