Patrick Mahomes hasn't proven jack shit in this league yet. Drew Brees is MVP

[kennethgriffen]

it will be a travesty if they do some derrick rose shit and give it to this guy


sometimes there has to be moments when guys get a career achievement boost when its a close 2nd place possibility

Drew Brees

NFL records
Most games with 300+ passing yards

[CelticBaller]

MVP isn

[highwhey]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]MVP isn

[kennethgriffen]

MVP isn’t a lifetime award


not saying it is... i'm saying proving yourself for a lifetime should give you a slight boost/benefit of the doubt


you don't wanna give league mvps to guys that might only be good because of athletic ability and won't be around in 5 years



its not like brees didn't play this year... he did... and as a league mvp type player who has a shot at winning the superbowl. so its at most 1% about what he's done in the past to prove its not a mistake to consider this guy the best




look at last season when carson wentz was leading all year in the mvp race. then he went down and brady stole mvp


if he didn't go down and wentz won league mvp. then missed the playoffs and his team won without him. how stupid would the voters have looked


you gotta go with the proven guy to avoid things like that from happening

[CelticBaller]

not saying it is... i'm saying proving yourself for a lifetime should give you a slight boost/benefit of the doubt


you don't wanna give league mvps to guys that might only be good because of athletic ability and won't be around in 5 years



its not like brees didn't play this year... he did... and as a league mvp type player who has a shot at winning the superbowl. so its at most 1% about what he's done in the past to prove its not a mistake to consider this guy the best
No it shouldnt

Mahomes will end up with 15+ more TD and 1000+ yards

He played way better thank Brees

[Kblaze8855]

That

[kennethgriffen]

That’s like saying if Lebron and Gianns are close in mvp voting Lebron should get the edge because of the last 15 years.

Nothing matters but today. You can argue Brees for MVP but leave the past out of it. It seems odd he doesn’t have one but you don’t just get a “But what about 8 years ago?” Mvp vote.


if this was giannis's first good season and lebron actually made others better rather than inhibiting people for the benefit of his own personal statistical agenda and lebron NEVER won mvp before


then sure i'd give lebron a bit of a boost


especially if lebron had the better team record and wasn't failing miserably down the stretch like mahomes currently is


then yeah for sure




why do you continue to interject your opinion on any matter. it never ends well lol.. you constantly use the most asinine comparisons



and in basketball players have 2 sides of the floor they should dominate to win mvp... so we'd also have to ignore lebrons complete void defensively ... how can they even be relative to a QB discussion

[kennethgriffen]

No it shouldnt

Mahomes will end up with 15+ more TD and 1000+ yards

He played way better thank Brees


plenty of guys throughout sports history have lost mvp's with better numbers than the guys who've won it


mahomes possibly losing his last 3 games of the season should theoretically disqualify him regardless of his stats

[FKAri]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]MVP isn

[Kblaze8855]

if this was giannis's first good season and lebron actually made others better rather than inhibiting people for the benefit of his own personal statistical agenda and lebron NEVER won mvp before


then sure i'd give lebron a bit of a boost


especially if lebron had the better team record and wasn't failing miserably down the stretch like mahomes currently is


then yeah for sure




why do you continue to interject your opinion on any matter. it never ends well lol.. you constantly use the most asinine comparisons



and in basketball players have 2 sides of the floor they should dominate to win mvp... so we'd also have to ignore lebrons complete void defensively ... how can they even be relative to a QB discussion


I

[DaHeezy]

If we use this criteria Brady wins MVP every year until he retires.

Mahomes

Brees/Gurley

[ShawkFactory]

plenty of guys throughout sports history have lost mvp's with better numbers than the guys who've won it


mahomes possibly losing his last 3 games of the season should theoretically disqualify him regardless of his stats
KC has the second worst defense in the league. The lost a game where Mahomes and the offense put up 51..

[kennethgriffen]

KC has the second worst defense in the league. The lost a game where Mahomes and the offense put up 51..


if its about individual greatness on bad teams i think aaron rodgers would have quite a bit more trophies


my criteria is based on league history

[kennethgriffen]

If we use this criteria Brady wins MVP every year until he retires.

Mahomes

Brees/Gurley


i didn't make the criteria. team record has always been the biggest factor in determining the winner

[kennethgriffen]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]I

[TheMan]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]MVP isn

[ShawkFactory]

if its about individual greatness on bad teams i think aaron rodgers would have quite a bit more trophies


my criteria is based on league history
But the chiefs...are 11-4...

[kennethgriffen]

But the chiefs...are 11-4...


brees is 13-2


1 win in the nfl is like 5 in the nba


if a guy had 10 more wins do you think voters would care if he had less totals but way better averages/ratings/percentages etc...

[ShawkFactory]

brees is 13-2


1 win in the nfl is like 5 in the nba


if a guy had 10 more wins do you think voters would care if he had less totals but way better averages/ratings/percentages etc...
Which brings me back to KC having the second worst defense in the NFL. They lost a game where they scored 51 and Mahomes had 6 touchdowns.

[kennethgriffen]

Which brings me back to KC having the second worst defense in the NFL. They lost a game where they scored 51 and Mahomes had 6 touchdowns.


which brings me back to aaron rodgers. how many mvps would he have if losing with great stats is all that matters

[CelticBaller]

plenty of guys throughout sports history have lost mvp's with better numbers than the guys who've won it


mahomes possibly losing his last 3 games of the season should theoretically disqualify him regardless of his stats
He will end up 12-4. Best team in his conference


Brees literally shit the bed against the Cowboys. Mahomes never played that bed

[kennethgriffen]

He will end up 12-4. Best team in his conference


Brees literally shit the bed against the Cowboys. Mahomes never played that bed


thank goodness the saints and rams don't play in his conference


then your criteria for him winning mvp would be out the window

:lol

[CelticBaller]

thank goodness the saints and rams don't play in his conference


then your criteria for him winning mvp would be out the window

:lol
No because he will have a top seed with the best stats in the league

[kennethgriffen]

No because he will have a top seed with the best stats in the league


huh?


how would he have the top seed if he has a worse record

[dude77]

I can see your argument .. but the boy has 48 tds lol and he has one game left with the RAIDERS yikes .. he has an Outside shot to tie manning's record .. insane .. but brees does have great numbers too .. but I think that td gap is a bit much

[FreezingTsmoove]

Dude what the **** is wrong with you :lol How can anyone hate on Mahomes, he is single handedly carrying this boring ass season

[Lakers Legend#32]

Stupid Seahawks Bandwagon fans want Russell Wilson as MVP.:lol

[dude77]

black folks must think this guy's a coon lol (https://www.foxsports.com/watch/speak-for-yourself/video/1409510467628)

so he's arguing they should give it to brees because this is his last year and he hasn't won it ? hmm interesting .. I don't know about that . mvp is not a lifetime achievement award .. it's just for that particular season .. I'll tell you what .. if he's given it, we'll just be talking about it years later how mahomes was the real mvp etc

[dude77]

to be fair any one of them would be deserving .. wouldn't really think it was wrong if wilson was given mvp .. he's been playing like an mvp anyways and he's a good dude so no problem here .. by the way wilson is quietly putting up big numbers for his career .. 25k yds so far and 195 tds in 6 yrs .. if he keeps up that pace that's almost 400 tds and 50k yds in 12 yrs .. he's a hall of famer if he keeps it up

[kennethgriffen]

black folks must think this guy's a coon lol (https://www.foxsports.com/watch/speak-for-yourself/video/1409510467628)

so he's arguing they should give it to brees because this is his last year and he hasn't won it ? hmm interesting .. I don't know about that . mvp is not a lifetime achievement award .. it's just for that particular season .. I'll tell you what .. if he's given it, we'll just be talking about it years later how mahomes was the real mvp etc




whitlock is a chiefs fan and even he has brees

[ShawkFactory]

which brings me back to aaron rodgers. how many mvps would he have if losing with great stats is all that matters
Jesus fvcking Christ :banghead:

He's not losing! The Chiefs are going to go 12-4. They have the 31st ranked defense in terms of yards and 29th in points. The Saints are 12 and 8, respectively.

Mahomes has led the best offense in the league and they've lost by a field goal on the road against NE and the Rams, and by a touchdown on the road to seattle. Other loss was by one point against the 11-4 Chargers.

The defense has given up 41 PPG in their 4 losses.

They also lost their star RB half way through the year, taking some of the balance away from their offense.

[kennethgriffen]

Jesus fvcking Christ :banghead:

He's not losing! The Chiefs are going to go 12-4. They have the 31st ranked defense in terms of yards and 29th in points. The Saints are 12 and 8, respectively.

Mahomes has led the best offense in the league and they've lost by a field goal on the road against NE and the Rams, and by a touchdown on the road to seattle. Other loss was by one point against the 11-4 Chargers.

The defense has given up 41 PPG in their 4 losses.

They also lost their star RB half way through the year, taking some of the balance away from their offense.


my bad. i should have said "how many mvps would aaron rodgers have if having a good record and the best stats was all that mattered

he might win in 2009, 2012 and 2016 ontop of 2011 and 2014



they usually give a close MVP race to the guy with the better record rather than the better stats


and 11-4 isn't that amazing


13-2 is much better

[ShawkFactory]

my bad. i should have said "how many mvps would aaron rodgers have if having a good record and the best stats was all that mattered

he might win in 2009, 2012 and 2016 ontop of 2011 and 2014



they usually give a close MVP race to the guy with the better record rather than the better stats


and 11-4 isn't that amazing


13-2 is much better
Peyton Manning and the Colts went undefeated when he started in 2009. He had like 6 game winning drives and his numbers were right on par with Rodgers.

Rodgers should have been MVP in 2012. But AP almost broke the rushing record and the Vikings went 10-6 with Christian Ponder as the QB.

Matt Ryan had the best numbers in 2016 AND a better record.

11-4 is quite a feat with a defense as awful as the one the Chiefs have. And losing your star running back can make an offense more one-dimensional.

Also the Chiefs have had a tougher schedule.

[tpols]

Brees hasn't even been that good this year...its everyone around him that's prime all pro

[CelticBaller]

huh?


how would he have the top seed if he has a worse record
Because he was a division champion

Do you even know anything about football?

[CelticBaller]

my bad. i should have said "how many mvps would aaron rodgers have if having a good record and the best stats was all that mattered

he might win in 2009, 2012 and 2016 ontop of 2011 and 2014



they usually give a close MVP race to the guy with the better record rather than the better stats


and 11-4 isn't that amazing


13-2 is much better
2009 Aaron

[kennethgriffen]

so i use a hypothetical rodgers mvp for 3 extra seasons and people argue against it by saying other guys had more wins/better percentages/less interceptions



thanks for making my point for me

[ShawkFactory]

so i use a hypothetical rodgers mvp for 3 extra seasons and people argue against it by saying other guys had more wins/better percentages/less interceptions



thanks for making my point for me
You are incredibly wrong :lol

2009: Peyton went undefeated in games he finished, had like 6 game winning drives and similar numbers. More interceptions tho.

2012: AP almost broke the rushing record and carried a team as a RB, something that is rare. Their record was worse than GB's.

2016: The Falcons had a better record than GB AND Ryan had better numbers. Had the highest TD%, yards per attempt, and QB rating in the league.

Nothing about more wins, better completion percentage, or less INTs. You have no "point".

[kennethgriffen]

You are incredibly wrong :lol

2009: Peyton went undefeated in games he finished, had like 6 game winning drives and similar numbers. More interceptions tho.

2012: AP almost broke the rushing record and carried a team as a RB, something that is rare. Their record was worse than GB's.

2016: The Falcons had a better record than GB AND Ryan had better numbers. Had the highest TD%, yards per attempt, and QB rating in the league.

Nothing about more wins, better completion percentage, or less INTs. You have no "point".




"peyton went undefeated" "nothing about more wins" ...."the falcons had a better record"..." nothing about more wins"


lolwut

[ShawkFactory]

"peyton went undefeated" "nothing about more wins" ...."the falcons had a better record"..." nothing about more wins"


lolwut
Better numebrs AND a better team record. Hopefully you're capable of understanding that supplementing your superior numbers with a superior record is more impactful in an MVP race than just having superior numbers? And vice versa

You're using team record with literally zero context.

I feel it odd that I need to explain this to a grown man.

[1987_Lakers]

Mahomes is about to finish the season with 50 TDs, 5,000 passing yds, and the #1 seed. Him not winning MVP would be the biggest robbery in sports history.

[Patrick Chewing]

Brees hasn't even been that good this year...its everyone around him that's prime all pro


:facepalm


Man at least admit you don't watch football instead of embarrassing yourself like this. :oldlol:

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Mahomes is about to finish the season with 50 TDs, 5,000 passing yds, and the #1 seed. Him not winning MVP would be the biggest robbery in sports history.

Nah IMO that's 1987 Jerry Rice. No way Elway deserved it with 17 TDs/11 INT in a 12 game season. 22 receiving TDs in 12 games during the late 80s is just unfair.

[dude77]

Brees hasn't even been that good this year...its everyone around him that's prime all pro


https://media.giphy.com/media/3FBwwRCNTSa52/giphy.gif

[DaHeezy]

Bottom line is Mahomes accomplished the best stats for a QB, lead his team to a eventual conference title, and has the worst defense to support him. This should be fairly simple and really not debatable.

Even if they do lose to the Raiders I'd still take him as MVP

[dude77]

^I agree but I also think the mvp should be awarded after the sb .. how many times has an 'mvp' shit the bed in the playoffs and been bounced .. what if brees leads them to a sb win and mahomes gets bounced in his first playoff game

[kennethgriffen]

Bottom line is Mahomes accomplished the best stats for a QB, lead his team to a eventual conference title, and has the worst defense to support him. This should be fairly simple and really not debatable.

Even if they do lose to the Raiders I'd still take him as MVP


more isn't always better. brees is the most efficient QB ever and hes playing at an all time high


the chiefs have given up 100 more points on the season and scored 50 more than the saints have so obviously mahomes will get more offensive chances when the pace of the game goes way up

[aj1987]

^I agree but I also think the mvp should be awarded after the sb .. how many times has an 'mvp' shit the bed in the playoffs and been bounced .. what if brees leads them to a sb win and mahomes gets bounced in his first playoff game
:facepalm :facepalm

That's what the SB MVP is for. The NFL MVP is for the RS.



So, OP, you're just a retard in general? Got it.

Mahomes is the MVP and it's not even close right now.

[DaHeezy]

more isn't always better. brees is the most efficient QB ever and hes playing at an all time high


the chiefs have given up 100 more points on the season and scored 50 more than the saints have so obviously mahomes will get more offensive chances when the pace of the game goes way up

Actually he has LESS opportunities because teams INTENTIONALLY keep the ball away from Mahomes. They choose to grind it out with the defense and eat clock because they know they can run all over them. For the little opportunity he gets he's putting up record type numbers.

[AlternativeAcc.]

2009 Aaron’s Rodgers has 30 td 7 Int. Far from best stats

2012 AP had an all time great season while carrying a shitty team to the playoffs. Aaron had a 15-1 team.

2016 Matt Ryan had a better record and stats

Yeah you don’t know shit about football
Literally nothing..

all he has is time but knows nothing about ANY sport.... guy is legitimately slow/retarded. It'd be one thing if this was an elaborate troll but it's just a lazy moron doubling down on his ignorance. Really sad.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Actually he has LESS opportunities because teams INTENTIONALLY keep the ball away from Mahomes. They choose to grind it out with the defense and eat clock because they know they can run all over them. For the little opportunity he gets he's putting up record type numbers.
OP hasn't watched a single Chiefs game this year.

He has a hard on for Brees and just decides "he's MVP cuz wins and stuff!!!"

I doubt he's even watched a half of one saints game. He probably doesn't even know one single player on the defense. :facepalm

[kennethgriffen]

OP hasn't watched a single Chiefs game this year.

He has a hard on for Brees and just decides "he's MVP cuz wins and stuff!!!"

I doubt he's even watched a half of one saints game. He probably doesn't even know one single player on the defense. :facepalm


what gave you this extremely detailed idea about me

[kennethgriffen]

Literally nothing..

all he has is time but knows nothing about ANY sport.... guy is legitimately slow/retarded. It'd be one thing if this was an elaborate troll but it's just a lazy moron doubling down on his ignorance. Really sad.


you seem almost certain about this

[Lakers Legend#32]

Mahomes looks like Darlene from Rosanne.

[kennethgriffen]

Mahomes looks like Darlene from Rosanne.


:roll:

[Cleverness]

I want Brees to win it because he's one of the most underrated QBs ever, but I think Mahomes is going to win (and probably should win).

[Uncle Drew]

Baker Mayfield is the MVP tbh.

[Meticode]

I'll go with Mahomes here. He's going to have roughly almost 20 more touchdowns than Brees this season. And almost 1,000 yards more passing. Probably a 50 touch down, 5,000 yard passing season in his second year in the NFL.

It'll be Brees or Mahomes. I wouldn't be upset either way.

[dude77]

Baker Mayfield is the MVP tbh.

not mvp but I like that kid's attitude and approach .. very confident .. I read he was 5'2" as a hs freshman .. not that many years later he's a starting nfl qb lol nuts .. imagine him telling someone as a 5'2" hs freshman "yeah I'm gonna be a starting nfl qb in 8 yrs"



also, homeboy has a rocket for an arm :eek: (https://youtu.be/n_GtT521_lI?t=45)

[Old Man River]

:facepalm :facepalm

That's what the SB MVP is for. The NFL MVP is for the RS.



So, OP, you're just a retard in general? Got it.

Mahomes is the MVP and it's not even close right now.
nah he's right they call it MVP not "regular season MVP" and only rings matter so they should wait till after. I could see the superbowl MVP being desmond howard in 1996 but brett favre as the "MVP"

[imdaman99]

It should be Mahomes, don't be ridiculous OP.

That being said, I hope defenses can figure him out in the offseason. The guy put up video game numbers in his 2nd season in the league. He made a mockery of defenses in his 1st year starting. We need to make defenses great again. We have to figure out what the hell is going on.

[Old Man River]

It should be Mahomes, don't be ridiculous OP.

That being said, I hope defenses can figure him out in the offseason. The guy put up video game numbers in his 2nd season in the league. He made a mockery of defenses in his 1st year starting. We need to make defenses great again. We have to figure out what the hell is going on.
he's legit good, has a good offense around him too, andy reid had good philly teams with the eagles a decade ago too, all works out

[AlternativeAcc.]

nah he's right they call it MVP not "regular season MVP" and only rings matter so they should wait till after. I could see the superbowl MVP being desmond howard in 1996 but brett favre as the "MVP"
It still wouldn't matter if the Saints won the SB. Mahomes would still be MVP..

Some of you aren't understanding how bad the Chiefs defense has been, while the Saints are near the top...

There has never been a defense ranked as badly as the Chiefs that have won a Superbowl IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL.


If Mahomes wins the Superbowl with this defense... in his 1st year starting... it would be the greatest QB feat in NFL history by a long shot.


So no, regardless of what happens in the playoffs, Mahomes is MVP by a mile.

[aj1987]

nah he's right they call it MVP not "regular season MVP" and only rings matter so they should wait till after. I could see the superbowl MVP being desmond howard in 1996 but brett favre as the "MVP"
Nope. MVP = Regular season award. Super Bowl MVP = Super Bowl MVP.

Even in the NBA the MVP is the regular season award. They don't call it the ****ing regular season MVP.

I really don't care about Mahomes and am a Pats fan, but the guy is the MVP and it's not even close. One of the best RS's for a QB.