How is it even possible to lose to Dwight Howard in a series with HCA?

[Duncan21formvp]

How is it even possible to lose to Dwight Howard in a series with HCA?

The guy hadn't beaten anyone in a series of notable value. He also played with Kobe and Harden and never won anything. How could you lose to him when he is the main star?

[MJistheGOAT]

LeStan answer:
" He played with total scrubs and his coach was trash, also refs were screwing him"

[HylianNightmare]

That 2009 magic team was legit

[ImKobe]

Dwight dropped 40/14 on 67%FG while LeQuit had 25 in Game 6. Let's not forget the two straight turnovers & a missed FT late in the 4th in Game 4 that set up the loss in OT to put Orlando up 3 - 1. Funniest part is that Dwight hit the two clutch FTs and blocked James late in OT to ice the game. That series is a straight up sweep without the fluke clutch 3-pointer in Game 2.

[Duncan21formvp]

That 2009 magic team was legit
No they weren't that good, people were thinking they would lose to the Iggy Sixers in round 1. Also they didn't even have Jameer Nelson.

[tpols]

That 2009 magic team was legit


Kobe, Pau & the lakers made quick work of them. :confusedshrug:

Bran had a 66 win team and got his ass kicked.

[ImKobe]

That 2009 magic team was legit

Lakers should have swept them if not for Kobe going 5/10 from the FT + Gasol turning the ball over on a potential game-winner in Game 3. They were decent, and would have probably given the Lakers a tougher fight if not for Jameer coming off injury, he didn't play a single minute against the Cavs and returned for the Finals on limited minutes.

[bigkingsfan]

Lost to an 8th seed, lawl.

[Bronbron23]

LeStan answer:
" He played with total scrubs and his coach was trash, also refs were screwing him"
Na he had a decent coach and good enough team there's no excuse really. Bron was still learning how to be a champion. He had to leave and spend a year with a proven champion to really figure it out and now that he has he's one of the best ever.

[FireDavidKahn]

No they weren't that good, people were thinking they would lose to the Iggy Sixers in round 1. Also they didn't even have Jameer Nelson.
The **** you talking about?

The Magic won 59 games while the 76ers won 41. No sane person thought the 76ers had a chance.:oldlol:

But the main reason why LeBron lost was because the role players on the Magic far outplayed the Cavs role players.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2009-nba-eastern-conference-finals-magic-vs-cavaliers.html

[AussieSteve]

You can argue that he underperformed in game 6, but the rest of the series he was awesome. 41ppg on 53%efg over 5 playoff games against a 59 win team with the #1 defense in the league is impressive by anyone's standards.

But at the end of the day, he was 24 years old. At the same age Jordan had just been swept in the first round again, culminating in his now legendary 1-9 playoff record without Pippen.

[Duncan21formvp]

You can argue that he underperformed in game 6, but the rest of the series he was awesome. 41ppg on 53%efg over 5 playoff games against a 59 win team with the #1 defense in the league is impressive by anyone's standards.

But at the end of the day, he was 24 years old. At the same age Jordan had just been swept in the first round again, culminating in his now legendary 1-9 playoff record without Pippen.
Dwight Howard was younger than Lebron and beat him without HCA and Dwight Howard is a career loser. Lebron was the MVP and lost to a guy who never won MVP with HCA. Again Lebron lost with HCA and had Ben Wallace as well the only guy on a team that was an allstar that won it all.

[superduper]

Dwight Howard was younger than Lebron and beat him without HCA and Dwight Howard is a career loser. Lebron was the MVP and lost to a guy who never won MVP with HCA.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/f35a2bed673a90c38bdb5be649450f87/tenor.gif

[ClipperRevival]

You can argue that he underperformed in game 6, but the rest of the series he was awesome. 41ppg on 53%efg over 5 playoff games against a 59 win team with the #1 defense in the league is impressive by anyone's standards.

But at the end of the day, he was 24 years old. At the same age Jordan had just been swept in the first round again, culminating in his now legendary 1-9 playoff record without Pippen.

Get your facts straight.

This whole 1-9 thing is just a joke. Judging MJ in his first 3 seasons in the league, when he played either a great Bucks team (1985) or the GOAT tier Celtics team (1986 & 1987). MJ balled out in all those series. He had no help.

This was LeBron's 6th NBA season with the 1st seed. Completely different circumstances.

[Duncan21formvp]

Get your facts straight.

This whole 1-9 thing is just a joke. Judging MJ in his first 3 seasons in the league, when he played either a great Bucks team (1985) or the GOAT tier Celtics team (1986 & 1987). MJ balled out in all those series. He had no help.

This was LeBron's 6th NBA season with the 1st seed. Completely different circumstances.
Who cares about MJ we are talking about Dwight Howard beating Lebron. Hell even when Lebron played with Dwight he won bronze medal. This dude led America to two bronze medals. Name should be Lebronze.

[PickernRoller]

A top 15 player with a history of choking and a history of monopolizing the offense, thus diminishing team play potential can lose to ANYBODY!

[FKAri]

That 2009 magic team was legit
No it wasn't. It just showcased how volatile the modern game can be due to the 3pt shot. A lot of those guys got contracts based off of that run and proceeded to shit the bed next season. Although, I guess it is possible that 3/4 of that roster just happened to all peak during that one single playoff run as 55% 3pt shooters.

[zizozain]

A top 15 player with a history of choking and a history of monopolizing the offense, thus diminishing team play potential can lose to ANYBODY!
--

[HylianNightmare]

No they weren't that good, people were thinking they would lose to the Iggy Sixers in round 1. Also they didn't even have Jameer Nelson.
:roll:

No one thought that. And skip to playing out of his mind all season for them

[bullettooth]

Another black mark on LeBrons long resume of failures. :rockon:

[Wally450]

No they weren't that good, people were thinking they would lose to the Iggy Sixers in round 1. Also they didn't even have Jameer Nelson.

They were a better team and had better matchups against the Cavs. They were the Rockets before the Rockets. They loved shooting the 3 with a solid big man in the middle.

[1987_Lakers]

No they weren't that good, people were thinking they would lose to the Iggy Sixers in round 1. Also they didn't even have Jameer Nelson.
:kobe:

Terrible post.

And from what I remember they played better without Jameer. There was a debate if the Magic should even play a healthy Nelson cause the thought was that he would ruin the good chemistry.

[StrongLurk]

OP posts literally the same thing every day. Not sure why Jeff lets retards on this site.

[SouBeachTalents]

Dwight dropped 40/14 on 67%FG while LeQuit had 25 in Game 6. Let's not forget the two straight turnovers & a missed FT late in the 4th in Game 4 that set up the loss in OT to put Orlando up 3 - 1. Funniest part is that Dwight hit the two clutch FTs and blocked James late in OT to ice the game. That series is a straight up sweep without the fluke clutch 3-pointer in Game 2.

Lakers should have swept them if not for Kobe going 5/10 from the FT + Gasol turning the ball over on a potential game-winner in Game 3. They were decent, and would have probably given the Lakers a tougher fight if not for Jameer coming off injury, he didn't play a single minute against the Cavs and returned for the Finals on limited minutes.
I don't think anyone cherrypicks as ludicrously as this dude does. Gonna fixate on Game 6 and ignore the entire rest of the series where LeBron was averaging 40 a game, hitting walk of 3 pointers, icing FT's to send games to OT, have multiple monster performances in the 4th, and you want to act like he was some choking bum in that series :lol

And then being laughably disingenuous about the '09 Finals, where the Magic were literally a point blank layup and a made FT away from winning Games 2 & 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKshgJwb_ac&t=0m19s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dEQ_xYDBOg&t=4m3s

[GimmeThat]

when you look at the minutes played that series, you see a problem where it's Mo Williams and Delonte West matching up Rashard Lewis and Hedo Turkoglus' minutes

Dwight Howard made his FTs that series, but anytime someone scoring 25 on .65 is a big no no to you

you can say it's similar to George Karl unwilling to let Payton to guard Jordan until game 3 of the finals but Ben Wallace and Joe Smith weren't asked to stop Dwight and Delonte was gassed too early, minutes were split too evenly between Gibson/Szczerbiak/Pavlovic during the regular season for a none-defending champion team

and here's where the basketball stans really get to defend this, Mo Williams, putting up 17/3.5/6.3 on a 26-56 team, went to a 45-37 team, and put up 17/3.4/4 and now had the number 1 record in the league

How drunk were you all?

[ImKobe]

I don't think anyone cherrypicks as ludicrously as this dude does. Gonna fixate on Game 6 and ignore the entire rest of the series where LeBron was averaging 40 a game, hitting walk of 3 pointers, icing FT's to send games to OT, have multiple monster performances in the 4th, and you want to act like he was some choking bum in that series :lol

And then being laughably disingenuous about the '09 Finals, where the Magic were literally a point blank layup and a made FT away from winning Games 2 & 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKshgJwb_ac&t=0m19s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dEQ_xYDBOg&t=4m3s

I'm just posting facts.

Series should have been a sweep to begin with, because Lebron was a -7 on the court in Game 2, luckily for him he had a good team to keep the game close enough to where he could take a desperation 3 for the win.


You can't ignore him missing clutch FTs in 1 pt losses. If you're giving him all the credit for wins, he should also take the blame if he loses. You can't have it both ways.

[Mr. Jabbar]

woooooooooooooooooooooo! :lol

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

by not playing defense

the sad truth about that series is Fright Coward was the best overall player. Box score watchers dont factor in defense so they wont see that but its true

a gay tranny loving bottom outplayed the MVP on a 65+ win team SMH

[3ball]

by not playing defense


So Lebron lost due to defense in 09, 14, 17, and 18??

Does that make him the worst defensive leader of all-time???... :facepalm

The 09' Cavs didn't lose from defense because the magic weren't playing any defense either, and allowed the Cavs far above their normal scoring - the series fell into a no-defense environment, and the Cavs simply got outscored.

This is often the case with lebron's teams - teams learn that they can win a shootout and the series falls into a scoring battle...i.e. the Warriors didn't play any defense in 2017 and had an all-time bad 115 drtg.. but they just outscored lebron's team like the Magic did

Lebron's inability to have an all-time offense hurts him - the #46 all-time offense is at a big deficit versus the #1 offense

[Gileraracer]

LeStan answer:
" He played with total scrubs and his coach was trash, also refs were screwing him"

same old story ... been like that for a decade or so :lol

[warriorfan]

That 2009 magic team was legit

They weren

[HylianNightmare]

:kobe:

Terrible post.

And from what I remember they played better without Jameer. There was a debate if the Magic should even play a healthy Nelson cause the thought was that he would ruin the good chemistry.

Someine that actually members, skip was really an amazing pickup for them when James went down. Should've never tries to bring him back....in the finals of all times.

[Doranku]

Cavs had the lead with <1 minute to go in 4 of the 6 games. Rashard Lewis is the reason why we never had a Kobe/LeBron finals. :lol Two ridiculous clutch shots in games 1 & 4 to save the Magic.

[r0drig0lac]

That 2009 magic team was legit
this

[Duncan21formvp]

this
That team got smashed in the next series. And barely won every series they played.

[warriorfan]

Someine that actually members, skip was really an amazing pickup for them when James went down. Should've never tries to bring him back....in the finals of all times.

You and the guy who you quoted should get banned for this shit.

Rafer Alston was a bum ass and1 player, Jameer was an all star nba player.

Skip was amazing alright...12/2/4 on 47% TS over 23 games at 32 mpg played in the 2009 playoffs (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/alstora01.html)

Rafer had a few moments, but you guys need to slow your roll big time

[bigkingsfan]

That team got smashed in the next series. And barely won every series they played.
Memphis lost the following round after taking out #1 seed duncan :oldlol:

[Duncan21formvp]

Memphis lost the following round after taking out #1 seed duncan :oldlol:
Did anyone on San Antonio win MVP that year? Spurs were missing a player while the Cavs had everyone and Orlando missing a star player and Dwight still beat Lebron.:roll:

[TheCorporation]

Is it true Tim Duncan lost as #1 seed to a #8 seed in the first round? Is it true the Grizzlies also hadn't won a single playoff game, prior?

:eek: Can anyone confirm if this is true? It sounds made up.

[RRR3]

Did anyone on San Antonio win MVP that year? Spurs were missing a player while the Cavs had everyone and Orlando missing a star player and Dwight still beat Lebron.:roll:
Did LeBron have any teammates as good as Ginobili or Parker?

Or a coach like Pop?


No?



Ok then.

[bigkingsfan]

Did anyone on San Antonio win MVP that year? Spurs were missing a player while the Cavs had everyone and Orlando missing a star player and Dwight still beat Lebron.:roll:
Spurs that year, two all stars. Memphis.... wait for it...... 0 :roll:

[ImKobe]

Did LeBron have any teammates as good as Ginobili or Parker?

Or a coach like Pop?


No?



Ok then.

Mike Brown learned under Pop and was the assistant coach on a Spurs' championship team :biggums:


Mo 2009 - 18/3/4
Manu 2009 - 16/5/4

[FKAri]

Spurs that year, two all stars. Memphis.... wait for it...... 0 :roll:
Wait a second. Hold up. Just WAIT ONE SECOND HERE...




Timothy Duncan, the-cowardly-still-closeted-homosexual, lost as a FIRST seed to an EIGTH seed that had ZERO ALL STARS?
:roll: :roll: :roll:



And come out of the damn closet already phaggit!
Hakeem >

[RRR3]

Mike Brown learned under Pop and was the assistant coach on a Spurs' championship team :biggums:


Mo 2009 - 18/3/4
Manu 2009 - 16/5/4
Damn Kobe surely won a ring with Mike Brown then considering he had two all star bigs by his side, right?


:yaohappy:




Lol at equating Mo Williams with prime Manu.



LeBron joining your hero’s team has completely devastated your mind and causes you to say ridiculous shit you don’t even believe in a desperate attempt to make your idol look better.

[PickernRoller]

Wait up....LeTards actually think Lebron can work with a legendary coach and adapt to their system? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: https://media.tenor.com/images/fd2d00ba338d5b87d1ccff7817bcb4c8/tenor.gif

[Duncan21formvp]

Did LeBron have any teammates as good as Ginobili or Parker?

Or a coach like Pop?


No?



Ok then.
Ben Wallace, Big Z and Mo Williams allstars. If we are going to count Manu and Parker.

[RRR3]

Ben Wallace, Big Z and Mo Williams allstars. If we are going to count Manu and Parker.
You

[PickernRoller]

Ben Wallace, Big Z and Mo Williams allstars. If we are going to count Manu and Parker.

Fair is fair.

[Duncan21formvp]

[QUOTE=RRR3]You

[RRR3]

Mo Williams was an actual star, Big Z made the team before Lebron came in the league and also made it again in Lebron's 2nd year proving he turned Lebron into a star. Ben Wallace was only 33 how was he washed up?
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[PickernRoller]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You gonna respond to the legitimate points or gonna take in the ass and pretend it isn't there with a laugh?

[And1AllDay]

Wait a second. Hold up. Just WAIT ONE SECOND HERE...




Timothy Duncan, the-cowardly-still-closeted-homosexual, lost as a FIRST seed to an EIGTH seed that had ZERO ALL STARS?
:roll: :roll: :roll:



And come out of the damn closet already phaggit!
Hakeem >
:roll: Say it aint so! Timothy Duncan lost as a FIRST seed to an EIGTH seed that had ZERO ALL STARS and ZERO PLAYOFF WINS

IS THIS EVEN TRU OR ARE WE MAKING THIS UP

[Duncan21formvp]

Lebron got swept by me and then lost in 5 with a stacked team with 2 other allstars.

[bigkingsfan]

You lost to as the #1 seed in the 1st round to a team with ZERO ALL STARS. You're also a cowardly homosexual who was advised by his agent to stay in the phucking closet :lol
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2197/2243021720_05c36be1b7_o.jpg :roll:

[jstern]

Dwight Howard was younger than Lebron and beat him without HCA and Dwight Howard is a career loser. Lebron was the MVP and lost to a guy who never won MVP with HCA. Again Lebron lost with HCA and had Ben Wallace as well the only guy on a team that was an allstar that won it all.

I had completely forgotten that he was the MVP that year. How is that even possible to lose to Dwight Howard? Would have been great to see Kobe vs Lebron in the Finals. MVP and still lost.

[TheCorporation]

Wait a second. Hold up. Just WAIT ONE SECOND HERE...




Timothy Duncan, the-cowardly-still-closeted-homosexual, lost as a FIRST seed to an EIGTH seed that had ZERO ALL STARS?
:roll: :roll: :roll:



And come out of the damn closet already phaggit!
Hakeem >

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Get your facts straight.

This whole 1-9 thing is just a joke. Judging MJ in his first 3 seasons in the league, when he played either a great Bucks team (1985) or the GOAT tier Celtics team (1986 & 1987). MJ balled out in all those series. He had no help.

This was LeBron's 6th NBA season with the 1st seed. Completely different circumstances.



Of course. They're grasping at straws. Up next they'll nitpick even further; they'll figure out MJ missed every 3rd quarter shot on the road at the 4:09 mark on Tuesdays. Lebron will have made 1 of those, so of course that'll mean he's better.


Again kids...sorry you didn't get to see the GOAT live or in person as I have.
Career 30.1 PPG (all time leader) on 50% shooting.

[LIST]
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[Duncan21formvp]

I had completely forgotten that he was the MVP that year. How is that even possible to lose to Dwight Howard? Would have been great to see Kobe vs Lebron in the Finals. MVP and still lost.
Agreed! Maybe he was just afraid of Kobe.

[3ball]

The entire decade was peppered with guys in the East taking weak casts to the Finals, and Lebron should be knocked for letting 2 of those opportunities slip away in 09' and 10'... As the favorite no less.. he ceded those runs to Dwight and an old/injured, 50-win celtics team

[TheCorporation]

:roll: Say it aint so! Timothy Duncan lost as a FIRST seed to an EIGTH seed that had ZERO ALL STARS and ZERO PLAYOFF WINS

IS THIS EVEN TRU OR ARE WE MAKING THIS UP

Shit :roll: :roll:

[TheCorporation]

The entire decade was peppered with guys in the East taking weak casts to the Finals, and Lebron should be knocked for letting 2 of those opportunities slip away in 09' and 10'... As the favorite no less.. he ceded those runs to Dwight and an old/injured, 50-win celtics team

0-6 vs Bird :(
1-9 before Daddy Pippen
10.7 ppg second option opponents
1/5 in leading team in stats (Pip was 4/5)

Want more? :lol

[3ball]

0-6 vs Bird :(


8-6 when both had an all-star teammate





10.7 ppg second option opponents



Stockton was the 2nd best player, and he was a superior 2nd guy to anyone lebron ever faced:


http://i67.tinypic.com/dbntvp.jpg





1/5 in leading team in stats (Pip was 4/5)


Lebron needed more help to win 3 rings because he only averaged 27.2 and 7.2 apg in the 12/13/16 playoffs versus 33.7 and 6.6 for MJ in 91-93' playoffs

So either lebron needed more help to win, or his rings required less production to win.. :confusedshrug:

Furthermore, for their first 3 rings, both MJ and lebron averaged 7 apg to lead their team, but MJ led his team in scoring/clutch by goat amounts, while lebron needed a near-equal scoring partner and better clutch partner

lebron also needs way more help because he needs a team willing to sacrifice teammate/team assists and brand of ball so he can dominate the ball and get assists - it's a fact that teammates see their assists crater next to him, while the team has low assist rankings and gets massively out-assisted in the championship





1-9 before Daddy Pippen


Jordan's 1-9 was an overachievement because most young players on bad teams don't make the playoffs their first few years, like Lebron or Kyrie, and play poorly against championship comp several times once they make it, like lebron from 07-11'

But MJ made the playoffs right away and had goat performance (63), so his 1-9 record is irrelevant and doesn't require the obvious explanation - he was facing a Warriors-level team with a young 8 seed, yet still did better than lebron's sweeps and record defeat with veteran 2 seeds in 07/14/17/18 Finals (2-16 record)

And Lebron missed the playoffs with the East all-star center on his team in 05'.. Whereas MJ never missed the playoffs when he had elite athleticism, and only had 1st round exits with 8 seeds, while Lebron's 9 seeds missed the 8 vs 1 matchup in 04 and 05'

[TheCorporation]

I know you like to skew reality, so I'll just post some facts and not paragraphs of bullshit


• MJ was 0-6 vs Bird in the post season (WINLESS)
• MJ was 1-9 before his Daddy Pippen played with the Bulls
• MJ's best Finals win was against a team that had 10.7 ppg second option Jeff Hornacek (Stockton was #3 at 9.7 :lol)
• MJ is 1/5 in leading his team in stats (Pippen was 4/5)
• MJ wrongfully won FMVP while being outplayed by Shawn Kemp

[3ball]

• MJ was 0-6 vs Bird in the post season (WINLESS)


No one lost by more than lebron (he has 2 record defeats)

And lebron is winless in more playoff series than MJ, including two 4-0 sweeps (MJ was never swept 4-0)





• MJ was 1-9 before his Daddy Pippen played with the Bulls


Lebron missed the playoffs before Hughes and Brown came to the Cavs





• MJ's best Finals win was against a team that had 10.7 ppg second option Jeff Hornacek (Stockton was #3 at 9.7 :lol)


Stockton was the #2 player on the jazz and a better #2 than anyone lebron ever faced (http://i67.tinypic.com/dbntvp.jpg)

He was also the Shaq/Duncan killer and alpha of those jazz teams (Malone was beta).. At 40, Stockton led the jazz to the playoffs after starting all 82 games[





• MJ is 1/5 in leading his team in stats (Pippen was 4/5)


MJ did more to win three rings (33/7) than lebron (27/7)..

They both led their teams with 7 apg, but MJ had to score 10-20 more than his 2nd option to win all Finals (1-man show), while lebron enjoyed an equal scoring partner and closer





MJ wrongfully won FMVP while being outplayed by Shawn Kemp


Gamescore thru 3 games (3-0)


Jordan. - 23.7 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1996/#134-136-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs)
S Kemp - 19.6 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kempsh01/gamelog/1996/#57-59-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs)


:oldlol: ... That's why MJ won MVP - by far the best player when the series was in the balance.. that how they award these things ya know
.

[Duncan21formvp]

Dwight Howard a career loser beat Lebron James without HCA.
Lebron embarrassed the USA twice winning bronze medals. Lebron has been down in a series every year of his career at least 3-2 including 5 years in a row with HCA and lost 3 years in a row with HCA. Lebron James got outplayed by Tony Parker, Jason Terry, Kawhi Leonard, Andre Iguodala as well of course Kevin Durant multiple times. Even in 2012, Durant 31 ppg on 55% FG and Lebron 29 ppg on 47% FG.

[And1AllDay]

[QUOTE=TheCorporation]I know you like to skew reality, so I'll just post some facts and not paragraphs of bullshit

[Bawkish]

Dwight Howard
Jason Terry
JJ Barea
Delonte West
Shawn Marion
Boris Diaw
Kawhi Leonard
Andre Iguodala

[eliteballer]

How do you let two average guys at your position light you up(shard and hedo)?

[Duncan21formvp]

Dwight Howard
Jason Terry
JJ Barea
Delonte West
Shawn Marion
Boris Diaw
Kawhi Leonard
Andre Iguodala

These guys gave Lebron 6 finals losses. :facepalm

[Shooter]

These guys gave Lebron 6 finals losses. :facepalm

Not Dwight, but Dirk, Parker, and Igoudola

[kawhileonard2]

So Lebron couldn't beat Dwight with HCA and thus needed him to get by Jokic.

[TheCorporation]

0-6 vs Bird :(
1-9 before Daddy Pippen
10.7 ppg second option opponents
1/5 in leading team in stats (Pip was 4/5)

Want more? :lol

Daaamn I stayed cooking these bois

Good refresher

Losing record to Bird, Hakeem, Malone, Isiah Thomas

[kawhileonard2]

Dwight Howard
Jason Terry
JJ Barea
Delonte West
Shawn Marion
Boris Diaw
Kawhi Leonard
Andre Iguodala

Imagine losing to Dwight Howard while you had HCA. :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

• MJ was 0-6 vs Bird in the post season (WINLESS)
• MJ was 1-9 before his Daddy Pippen played with the Bulls
• MJ's best Finals win was against a team that had 10.7 ppg second option Jeff Hornacek (Stockton was #3 at 9.7 :lol)
• MJ is 1/5 in leading his team in stats (Pippen was 4/5)
• MJ wrongfully won FMVP while being outplayed by Shawn Kemp

Guys?

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron:
2004 - choked the gold medal away
2006 - choked the gold medal away
2007 - choked and swept the title away
2008 - choked the gold medal away
2008 - bailed out by kobe in the gold medal game
2010 - Quit
2011 - choked the finals away
2012 - prime colluded ring
2012 - lockout ring
2013 - prime colluded ring
2013 - bail out by ray allen
2014 - choked the finals away to an air conditioner
2014 - Quit
2015 - choked the finals away shooting 25% beyond 5 feet vs a role player
2016 - choked game 7 away in the last 5 minutes
2016 - bail out by kyrie irving
2016 - prime colluded ring
2017 - choked game 3 away and the series
2018 - choked game 1 of OT and game 3 away
2018 - Quit
2019 - No Playoffs with the winniest franchise all time.
2020 - Anthony Davis leads teams in Win Shares and Scoring.

[tpols]

Lebron:
2004 - choked the gold medal away
2006 - choked the gold medal away
2007 - choked and swept the title away
2008 - choked the gold medal away
2008 - bailed out by kobe in the gold medal game
2010 - Quit
2011 - choked the finals away

Very astute timeline.

I think 2010 was the breaking point where Lebron realized he chose the wrong sport. Constant huge upsets... bronze medals... underachievements...

He realized he NEEDED ridiculous WWE style tag team help to win. A simple 2nd option wasn't viable. It needed to be MVP. With at least All Star on the side.

And even after that, he still lost to a hungrier, more organic team in the Dallas Mavericks.

And then again to an ancient Spurs team whose never touched their 2014 success since.

:lol

[kawhileonard2]

Very astute timeline.

I think 2010 was the breaking point where Lebron realized he chose the wrong sport. Constant huge upsets... bronze medals... underachievements...

He realized he NEEDED ridiculous WWE style tag team help to win. A simple 2nd option wasn't viable. It needed to be MVP. With at least All Star on the side.

And even after that, he still lost to a hungrier, more organic team in the Dallas Mavericks.

And then again to an ancient Spurs team whose never touched their 2014 success since.

:lol

Lebron:
2004 - choked the gold medal away
2006 - choked the gold medal away
2007 - choked and swept the title away
2008 - choked the gold medal away
2008 - bailed out by kobe in the gold medal game
2010 - Quit
2011 - choked the finals away
2012 - prime colluded ring
2012 - lockout ring
2013 - prime colluded ring
2013 - bail out by ray allen
2014 - choked the finals away to an air conditioner
2014 - Quit
2015 - choked the finals away shooting 25% beyond 5 feet vs a role player
2016 - choked game 7 away in the last 5 minutes
2016 - bail out by kyrie irving
2016 - prime colluded ring
2017 - choked game 3 away and the series
2018 - choked game 1 of OT and game 3 away
2018 - Quit
2019 - No Playoffs with the winniest franchise all time.
2020 - Anthony Davis leads teams in Win Shares and Scoring.

[Shooter]

https://i.postimg.cc/Zqsf4JHr/Records4dayz.png

https://i.postimg.cc/KjvNn2fH/Nothing_Finer.png

[SouBeachTalents]

How is it even possible to lose a 3-1 lead to 7'1 Windhorst?

[SouBeachTalents]

Very astute timeline.

I think 2010 was the breaking point where Lebron realized he chose the wrong sport. Constant huge upsets... bronze medals... underachievements...

He realized he NEEDED ridiculous WWE style tag team help to win. A simple 2nd option wasn't viable. It needed to be MVP. With at least All Star on the side.

And even after that, he still lost to a hungrier, more organic team in the Dallas Mavericks.

And then again to an ancient Spurs team whose never touched their 2014 success since.

:lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbIR51_J_qY&ab_channel=UrbanGraffixMedia

[Axe]

Lebron:
2004 - choked the gold medal away
2006 - choked the gold medal away
2007 - choked and swept the title away
2008 - choked the gold medal away
2008 - bailed out by kobe in the gold medal game
2010 - Quit
2011 - choked the finals away
2012 - prime colluded ring
2012 - lockout ring
2013 - prime colluded ring
2013 - bail out by ray allen
2014 - choked the finals away to an air conditioner
2014 - Quit
2015 - choked the finals away shooting 25% beyond 5 feet vs a role player
2016 - choked game 7 away in the last 5 minutes
2016 - bail out by kyrie irving
2016 - prime colluded ring
2017 - choked game 3 away and the series
2018 - choked game 1 of OT and game 3 away
2018 - Quit
2019 - No Playoffs with the winniest franchise all time.
2020 - Anthony Davis leads teams in Win Shares and Scoring.
Kewl.

[HylianNightmare]

No they weren't that good, people were thinking they would lose to the Iggy Sixers in round 1. Also they didn't even have Jameer Nelson.

Nonone thought they'd lose to.philly. we owned the cars in the regular season that year too. Dwight ate up big z and vereflop

[kawhileonard2]

How is it even possible to lose a 3-1 lead to 7'1 Windhorst?

Dwight never lost that lead to Lebron even without HCA while Lebron had HCA in that series.

[kawhileonard2]

Dwight lost to Joe Johnson in the playoffs while having HCA but yet beat Lebron without it.:facepalm

[Airupthere]

:oldlol: at choked finals away to air conditioner in 2014

[red1]

very dishonest posting from 3ball as per usual.


pippen and lebron vs mj's competition = 7 rings.



baldan never did what pippen could - win 50 games.


its natural to conclude that baldan held pippen back.

[ArbitraryWater]

That 2009 magic team was legit

Lakers would have lost if the Magic hadnt converted simple basketball plays:

Lee layup, Howard FT or Nelson backing off of Fisher

[3ball]

very dishonest posting from 3ball as per usual.


pippen and lebron vs mj's competition = 7 rings.



baldan never did what pippen could - win 50 games.


its natural to conclude that baldan held pippen back.


1) how can lebron win with pippen when pippen requires the #1 option to average 10-20 more in the Finals, while Lebron only won with an equal-scoring teammate (16' 20', 11') or averaged only 5 more (12', 13')?

2) How could lebron win with Pippen when pippen requires the #1 option to shoot high volume and lebron can't do that efficiently?

3) How can lebron win with a weak-shooting ball-handler like Pippen, when he destroyed other ball-handlers like Hughes, Ingram, IT, and Rose?

4) Everyone in history that won 3 Finals needed a teammate to win FMVP or average 25 ppg for at least one of the Finals - but Pippen was 0/6 in FMVP and peaked at 21 ppg, so only MJ could win 3 with pippen

5) Everyone in history needed an equal-scoring teammate for half their rings (1b)...... except MJ, who won with a true 2nd option that always averaged far less... This matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention.. so only MJ faced "1-man team" coverage for his entire career, therefore giving him maximum ring quality and stat quality

[light]

That can happen when your #2 and #3 are Mo Williams and Delonte West.

It's incredible that LeBron carried them that far.

[3ball]

:facepalm:

[kawhileonard2]

That can happen when your #2 and #3 are Mo Williams and Delonte West.

It's incredible that LeBron carried them that far.

No not to Dwight Howard. He also had a 4x DPOY in Ben Wallace on the squad. Can't lose to a career loser in Dwight Howard.

Dwight's #2 was Rashard Lewis who was the 6th option on the 2013 and 2014 Heat.

[3ball]

.
MJ nearly won title with 90' Pippen, whereas Lebron was destroyed with guys > 90' Pippen


Lost as favorite to 1-star team with:

09' Mo Will...'.... 17.2 PER.. 0.165 WS/48.. 2.3 BPM.. 3.1 VORP
90' Pippen........ 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48.. 1.8 BPM.. 3.0 VORP


Swept 4-0 to Spurs with:

05' L Hughes.... 21.6 PER.. 0.157 WS/48.. 4.3 BPM.. 3.7 VORP.. 1st team all-def
90' Pippen........ 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48.. 1.8 BPM.. 3.0 VORP


Lottery with:

05' Zydrunas.... 19.5 PER.. 0.149 WS/48.. -0.2 BPM.. 1.2 VORP
90' Pippen........ 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48... 1.8 BPM.. 3.0 VORP


Lottery with:

20' Ingram..'..... 18.8 PER.. 0.115 WS/48.. 1.8 BPM.. 2.2 VORP
90' Pippen.....'.. 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48.. 1.8 BPM . 3.0 VORP


^^^ 20' Ingram was used instead of 19' Ingram because Lebron's presence clearly caused a 1-year crater of Ingram's PER, BPM, VORP, and WS/48 in 2019.

Similarly, Lebron cratered Hughes in 06', so Hughes 05' stats were used (his true capability)


CONCLUSION: title

[3ball]

.
09' Mo Will...'.... 17.2 PER.. 2.3 BPM.. 0.165 WS/48.. 3.1 VORP
89' Pippen........ 14.9 PER.. 0.4 BPM.. 0.080 WS/48.. 1.5 VORP





That can happen when your #2 and #3 are Mo Williams and Delonte West.

It's incredible that LeBron carried them that far.





09' Cavs'..... #3 defense... 18 on 38% from Mo... lost to #4 SRS Magic (2 all-stars)
89' Bulls... #11 defense... 15 on 40% from Pip... defeat #1 SRS Cavs' (3 all-stars)


The Cavs also had Ron Harper (20/5/5)

Those Cavs were a better team than lebron ever beat in the East, and MJ beat them with shit from Pippen and a shit team defense..

Ultimately, Lebron shot 30% on jumpers in the 4th quarter against Orlando and lost 3 fourth quarter leads - this included getting destroyed by Dwight in the critical Game 4 OT... Clutch and contested jumpshooting MATTERS.. it decides series

[kawhileonard2]

Dwight couldn't beat anyone else but Lebron.

[And1AllDay]

Dwight couldn't beat anyone else but Lebron.

mike lost to terry cummings and joe dumars as number one options :roll::roll:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

That Orlando team was so ass lmaooo

thats what happens when you get outplayed on both ends and dont play defense in a series as a superstar

If KG was healthy that joke of a team dont make the finals. What the worse part is was their star guard Jameer Nelson was hurt and they had to call up Rafer Alston straight out of AND1 :oldlol::roll:

[kawhileonard2]

mike lost to terry cummings and joe dumars as number one options

Mike never lost with HCA. Lebron lost to Rafer Alston and Jason Terry with HCA. :roll::roll:
And lost to Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics.:roll::roll:

[And1AllDay]

Mike never lost with HCA. Lebron lost to Rafer Alston and Jason Terry with HCA. :roll::roll:
And lost to Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics.:roll::roll:

dirk > terry cummings

next :oldlol:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

dirk > terry cummings

next :oldlol:

Did someone say Terry?

https://i.ibb.co/4d6Dk7M/lebronvsterry.png

[And1AllDay]

imagine having a screen name with three players and all their fmpv combined are less then the man you hate, le goat bran

:roll::roll:

we win again

:hammertime:

[kawhileonard2]

Imagine losing to Dwight Howard with HCA.

[warriorfan]

Did someone say Terry?

https://i.ibb.co/4d6Dk7M/lebronvsterry.png

:roll: :roll:

Dude broke one of the LeBron Stan 10 commandments.... never mention the name Terry under any circumstances

[DABIGSALSISHA]

Get your facts straight.

This whole 1-9 thing is just a joke. Judging MJ in his first 3 seasons in the league, when he played either a great Bucks team (1985) or the GOAT tier Celtics team (1986 & 1987). MJ balled out in all those series. He had no help.

This was LeBron's 6th NBA season with the 1st seed. Completely different circumstances.

Exactly, when he had 63 vs the celtics , that was him only vs the mega celtics team. Still, he gave it all on the court and never Lequit.

[Shooter]

mike lost to terry cummings and joe dumars as number one options :roll::roll:

Terry Cummings, 1985 Bucks

/thread

[DABIGSALSISHA]

:roll: :roll:

Dude broke one of the LeBron Stan 10 commandments.... never mention the name Terry under any circumstances

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/N85yzlPLwNu4CC02hqIf6EXgIFwsUh0Fe7etGZyJYeBt6urGMz 0PA1qpqaaen6ubts4VM78

[DABIGSALSISHA]

Terry Cummings, 1985 Bucks

/thread


Hedo Turkuglu / Thread

[DABIGSALSISHA]

https://d1l5jyrrh5eluf.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/jason_terry_lebron_james.jpg

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7ShIFMntVd/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=embed_video_watch_again
https://cavaliersnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Screen-Shot-2020-01-14-at-6.59.08-AM.jpg

[Shooter]

Hedo Turkuglu / Thread

No. Cummings was the #1 option.

MJ legit lost to Terry Cummings.

[kawhileonard2]

Terry Cummings, 1985 Bucks

/thread

Lebron lost to Carlos Arroyo as the #1 option. Think about that.

[Sportal]

How is it even possible to lose to Dwight Howard in a series with HCA?

The guy hadn't beaten anyone in a series of notable value. He also played with Kobe and Harden and never won anything. How could you lose to him when he is the main star?

If you were watching basketball around this time you would know why they lost...

Magic had very good spacing, and overall a better team than the Cavs... Turkoglu and Lewis were a nightmare for the Cavs. They didn't have any answers for their spacing and 3 point shooting. People forget that they upset the Celtics the round before too.

[Spurs m8]

https://d1l5jyrrh5eluf.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/jason_terry_lebron_james.jpg

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7ShIFMntVd/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=embed_video_watch_again
https://cavaliersnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Screen-Shot-2020-01-14-at-6.59.08-AM.jpg

Lol the sheer disrespect LeTurnovers peers have for him hahahahha

[Smoke117]

1-9

[kawhileonard2]

1-9

Lebron's record vs Warriors last 2 times around and this with allstars on his squad.

[warriorfan]

Lebron's record vs Warriors last 2 times around and this with allstars on his squad.

:roll: :roll:

[DABIGSALSISHA]

Lol the sheer disrespect LeTurnovers peers have for him hahahahha

:oldlol:

[DABIGSALSISHA]

No. Cummings was the #1 option.

MJ legit lost to Terry Cummings.


Lebron vs Magic Game 6 Thread. Let's go?

Your KING playing some D or avoiding it like the plague ?

32s

1:05s

lebron scoreless in the 2nd quarter/ cavs down 19 at the half/

2:29s

Howards ENDS with 40pts /14reb

But I tought Lebron was a Forward and still he couldn't DOMINATE either TURKOGLU or LEWIS, THEY JUST KEPT MAKING SHOTS and magic won in devastating fashion.
Lebron did very little and came up short.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTNpGKsreHE

[Spurs m8]

Lebron's record vs Warriors last 2 times around and this with allstars on his squad.

ETHERED

:roll::roll::roll:

[Shooter]

MJ legit lost to #1 option Terry Cummings.

[DABIGSALSISHA]

MJ legit lost to #1 option Terry Cummings.

http://tsnimages.tsn.ca/ImageProvider/PlayerHeadshot?seoId=jj-barea&width=620&height=620
http://thecomeback.com/crossoverchronicles/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2015/06/JJBAREA.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPIeGELUYAEBu2n.jpg

Why does Lebron keep losing to these short guys? Terry, Barrea, Kid, Parker, Ginobili, Curry, Jameer Nelson? lol Jordan would've called them midgets and terrorized them. He ended Mugsy Booges career. He guarded B.J. Armstrong and made him quit. lmao

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron vs Magic Game 6 Thread. Let's go?

Your KING playing some D or avoiding it like the plague ?

32s

1:05s

lebron scoreless in the 2nd quarter/ cavs down 19 at the half/

2:29s

Howards ENDS with 40pts /14reb

But I tought Lebron was a Forward and still he couldn't DOMINATE either TURKOGLU or LEWIS, THEY JUST KEPT MAKING SHOTS and magic won in devastating fashion.
Lebron did very little and came up short.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTNpGKsreHE

Great stuff!

[warriorfan]

http://tsnimages.tsn.ca/ImageProvider/PlayerHeadshot?seoId=jj-barea&width=620&height=620
http://thecomeback.com/crossoverchronicles/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2015/06/JJBAREA.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPIeGELUYAEBu2n.jpg

Why does Lebron keep losing to these short guys? Terry, Barrea, Kid, Parker, Ginobili, Curry, Jameer Nelson? lol Jordan would've called them midgets and terrorized them. He ended Mugsy Booges career. He guarded B.J. Armstrong and made him quit. lmao

:roll:

[FKAri]

The Magic should have lost in the 2nd round. They went on a hot streak from 3 and ended up winning two series they shouldn't have. After that run, everyone on that roster proceeded to get overrated and overpaid. The 3pt era was just starting and people had trouble grasping how volatile the game can get when you take that many 3ptrs.

[kawhileonard2]

The Magic should have lost in the 2nd round. They went on a hot streak from 3 and ended up winning two series they shouldn't have. After that run, everyone on that roster proceeded to get overrated and overpaid. The 3pt era was just starting and people had trouble grasping how volatile the game can get when you take that many 3ptrs.

Agreed! Imagine that.

[Shooter]

MJ legit lost to #1 option Terry Cummings.

Is there no one else?

[kawhileonard2]

Is there no one else?

He lost with HCA or in the Olympics like Lebron?

Answer it

[Sportal]

http://tsnimages.tsn.ca/ImageProvider/PlayerHeadshot?seoId=jj-barea&width=620&height=620
http://thecomeback.com/crossoverchronicles/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2015/06/JJBAREA.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPIeGELUYAEBu2n.jpg

Why does Lebron keep losing to these short guys? Terry, Barrea, Kid, Parker, Ginobili, Curry, Jameer Nelson? lol Jordan would've called them midgets and terrorized them. He ended Mugsy Booges career. He guarded B.J. Armstrong and made him quit. lmao

Suggesting MJ got guarded by Malone, when he got defended by 6'2 Starks, and 6'1 Payton... Weird.

[Insert comeback picture with Bates guarding LeBron]

[Shooter]

1985
Terry Cummings

Next :lol

[kawhileonard2]

1985
Terry Cummings

Next :lol

Carlos Arroyo next
:lol

Rafer Alston next
:lol

JJ Barea next
:lol

Victor from Greece next
:lol

[light]

How is it even possible to lose to Dwight Howard in a series with HCA?

The guy hadn't beaten anyone in a series of notable value. He also played with Kobe and Harden and never won anything. How could you lose to him when he is the main star?

When Mo Williams and Delonte West are your 2nd and 3rd options.

[Mr.GOAT2408]

The Magic let LeBron do whatever he wanted on offense because they knew he wasn't dangerous enough as a scorer to truly make them pay, they actually tried to guard Kobe in the finals

The issue stems back from LeBron's own flawed skillset, they built a team loaded with great shooters and perimeter/post defenders to surround him with and it was an easy way to win games and inflate LeBron's numbers (compared to the rest of the league who wasn't dealing with the spacing LeBron had on that roster) but against a well-rounded team it can fail. Pretty similar to the recent Bucks teams who basically have ran the same blueprint (but Bron's team had better shooters and rim protectors at least 09 did)

He got his inflated low value numbers so his dumb stans (who are dumb enough to truly believe he was carrying a bad supporting cast :lol) were still happy but it came at the cost of a finals trip, they would have gotten smacked by the Lakers anyway

[kawhileonard2]

When Mo Williams and Delonte West are your 2nd and 3rd options.

He had Shaq, Ben Wallace, Antawn Jamison.

Shaq outplayed him in game 5 vs Boston when series was 2-2 and had HCA.

[Mr.GOAT2408]

He had Shaq, Ben Wallace, Antawn Jamison.

Shaq outplayed him in game 5 vs Boston when series was 2-2 and had HCA.
Shaq was 3rd team all-nba in 2009 coming off 18/8 on league leading 61% in just 30 minutes per game, also won co-AS MVP that season, the main reason his numbers regressed so much in Cleveland is because 1) unlike Nash (who is overrated but that's a topic for another day) LeBron DOES NOT actually make his teammates better, 2) he did get older so a decline was inevitable but it was still drastic decline for a team that supposedly had little else besides LeBron.... oh wait, they not only had him share minutes with Big Z but they did also have guys that averaged 18-20 ppg on other teams that had to sacrifice their numbers to accommodate Bron ball, Shaq and Jamison both + Mo was a 17 ppg guy elsewhere

Let his dumb fanbase convince you otherwise that he had no help in the late 00s, he had enough help to make the finals in 07 and 09/10, he also had enough help to make the playoffs in 2005 but it turns out he needs Larry Hughes (an arguable AS snub in 05) to even make the playoffs despite already having an AS in Z at the time. Pathetic

[kawhileonard2]

Shaq was 3rd team all-nba in 2009 coming off 18/8 on league leading 61% in just 30 minutes per game, also won co-AS MVP that season, the main reason his numbers regressed so much in Cleveland is because 1) unlike Nash (who is overrated but that's a topic for another day) LeBron DOES NOT actually make his teammates better, 2) he did get older so a decline was inevitable but it was still drastic decline for a team that supposedly had little else besides LeBron.... oh wait, they not only had him share minutes with Big Z but they did also have guys that averaged 18-20 ppg on other teams that had to sacrifice their numbers to accommodate Bron ball, Shaq and Jamison both + Mo was a 17 ppg guy elsewhere

Let his dumb fanbase convince you otherwise that he had no help in the late 00s, he had enough help to make the finals in 07 and 09/10, he also had enough help to make the playoffs in 2005 but it turns out he needs Larry Hughes (an arguable AS snub in 05) to even make the playoffs despite already having an AS in Z at the time. Pathetic

Agreed!

[Gudo]

Shaq was 3rd team all-nba in 2009 coming off 18/8 on league leading 61% in just 30 minutes per game, also won co-AS MVP that season, the main reason his numbers regressed so much in Cleveland is because 1) unlike Nash (who is overrated but that's a topic for another day) LeBron DOES NOT actually make his teammates better, 2) he did get older so a decline was inevitable but it was still drastic decline for a team that supposedly had little else besides LeBron.... oh wait, they not only had him share minutes with Big Z but they did also have guys that averaged 18-20 ppg on other teams that had to sacrifice their numbers to accommodate Bron ball, Shaq and Jamison both + Mo was a 17 ppg guy elsewhere

Let his dumb fanbase convince you otherwise that he had no help in the late 00s, he had enough help to make the finals in 07 and 09/10, he also had enough help to make the playoffs in 2005 but it turns out he needs Larry Hughes (an arguable AS snub in 05) to even make the playoffs despite already having an AS in Z at the time. Pathetic

:applause: damn that was good!

[Orange_Cassidy]

imagine thinking lebron was the legit MVP in 2009 after losing to fright coward with home court then kobe beating him in 5 games

[Gudo]

Mike never lost with HCA. Lebron lost to Rafer Alston and Jason Terry with HCA. :roll::roll:
And lost to Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics.:roll::roll:

Shit. I though it was just jason terry and jj barea. There is rafer "skip to my lou" alston. Lol!

[3ba11]

the 09' Magic were one of the biggest underdogs to ever win a playoff series when they upset the 1-seeded Cavs, and those Magic were a 1-star team that was missing their all-star PG, Jameer Nelson (Dwight carried the AND1 point guard to the Finals, aka Skip to My Lou).. This is significant because Dwight, Kidd and Iverson won the conference with 1-star teams, yet Lebron formed a super-team to ensure Finals runs after his favored 1 seeds couldn't make it in 09' or 10' - that's the definition of manufacturing a resume. So Lebron is a fraud that only learned to team-hop - he never learned to WIN (organic), which requires superior skill of adjusting one's game to teammates and developing championship strategy/brand of ball over many years.. If a guy like Giannis learns to win this year (organic), then he will already be superior to Lebron or KD, who only learned to team-hop.

[WhiteKyrie]

Lebron:
2004 - choked the gold medal away
2006 - choked the gold medal away
2007 - choked and swept the title away
2008 - choked the gold medal away
2008 - bailed out by kobe in the gold medal game
2010 - Quit
2011 - choked the finals away
2012 - prime colluded ring
2012 - lockout ring
2013 - prime colluded ring
2013 - bail out by ray allen
2014 - choked the finals away to an air conditioner
2014 - Quit
2015 - choked the finals away shooting 25% beyond 5 feet vs a role player
2016 - choked game 7 away in the last 5 minutes
2016 - bail out by kyrie irving
2016 - prime colluded ring
2017 - choked game 3 away and the series
2018 - choked game 1 of OT and game 3 away
2018 - Quit
2019 - No Playoffs with the winniest franchise all time.
2020 - Anthony Davis leads teams in Win Shares and Scoring.
He didn’t choke away game 1 of 2018 Finals. He quit. Also quit on his entire young core roster in 2019. AD saves them in 2020, and is their best player. He then quits again on his team while ahead in a playoff series in 2021. Quitting is a re-occurring theme with this loser.

[j3lademaster]

I understand Dwight kinda turned himself into a meme, but damn he’s getting underrated these days. He never had the ‘best’ numbers but prime Dwight was a monster.

[kawhileonard2]

Shit. I though it was just jason terry and jj barea. There is rafer "skip to my lou" alston. Lol!

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

:roll:

Why are you bumping threads from your old alts that got banned Jordansbulls?

[kawhileonard2]

Why are you bumping threads from your old alts that got banned Jordansbulls?

Who is Jordansbulls? Why you keep bringing them up as well?

[1987_Lakers]

Who is Jordansbulls? Why you keep bringing them up as well?

"HCA"

:roll:

[kawhileonard2]

"HCA"

:roll:

Many people bring that up.http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8939726/coast-coast-comparing-lebron-james-michael-jordan

Comparing LeBron to Jordan

ADANTE:

Jordan's six-game stretch in 1990 when he went for 46 points a night on 60 percent shooting, with 10 rebounds and five and a half assists per game.

Jordan remains the standard, Bryant his surrogate to provide an approximation of how intense a competitor he was, in case anyone forgot.

What seems even sillier, in retrospect, was the doubt that once existed about whether Michael could win a championship. Most folks either don't know or have forgotten, but for the early part of his career the narrative was "Jordan is too much of a ball hog to win a championship." Before he did it in 1991, no one had won a scoring title and a championship in the same year since Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in 1971, so the prevailing wisdom was you couldn't do both. Michael did it six times. And he did it without an All-Star center, something else that wasn't common before he came along.

So Jordan not only changed the way we thought of him, but he changed what we considered to be the path to a championship. LeBron has the chance to do both, as well. He already has eradicated the notion that he can't win the big games. And maybe the new paradigm for a championship player will be a guy who can bring the ball upcourt, operate in the low post, score from any spot and defend multiple positions. (Yeah, good luck trying to find another one of those.)

The nagging question is why it took LeBron so long to embrace his responsibilities in crunch time.

Jordan appeared ready-made for it. He hit the NCAA championship game-winning shot as a freshman at North Carolina. In his second NBA year, he dragged that historically great 1985-86 Boston Celtics squad that won 37 more regular-season games than his Bulls into overtime by scoring 63 points in the Garden.

And what I consider a telltale stat: He never lost a playoff series when he had home-court advantage. LeBron lost with home-court advantage three years in a row. LeBron also has a losing record in the NBA Finals that he needs to rectify.

[SaintzFury13]

Kobe, Pau & the lakers made quick work of them. :confusedshrug:

Bran had a 66 win team and got his ass kicked.

LeBron also had a very weak frontcourt compared to the Lakers who had two seven footers making Howards life hell down low. They also had a lot more length and defensive versatility. Cleveland on the other hand had to resort to having West guard Hedo. That's a 7 inch height difference.

The Orlando Magic simply matched up a lot better against Cleveland. It had nothing to do with LeBron's performance in that series, which was total dominance btw.

[LAL]

LeBron also had a very weak frontcourt compared to the Lakers who had two seven footers making Howards life hell down low. They also had a lot more length and defensive versatility. Cleveland on the other hand had to resort to having West guard Hedo. That's a 7 inch height difference.

The Orlando Magic simply matched up a lot better against Cleveland. It had nothing to do with LeBron's performance in that series, which was total dominance btw.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyA2b_krLdU

I was watching highlights of game 2, i see delonte sometimes guarding him but mostly 6'6 Pavlovic & Varejao.

Lebron was getting his but kicked by Rashard, even guarding Courtney Lee at times when his father in law was guarding Hedo. And again you see him going under the screen (not even a screen just followed the screener going for the rebound?) at the end of the third when Hedo's dribbling at the top leaving him wide open for a three.

[SaintzFury13]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyA2b_krLdU

I was watching highlights of game 2, i see delonte sometimes guarding him but mostly 6'6 Pavlovic & Varejao.

Lebron was getting his but kicked by Rashard, even guarding Courtney Lee at times when his father in law was guarding Hedo. And again you see him going under the screen (not even a screen just followed the screener going for the rebound?) at the end of the third when Hedo's dribbling at the top leaving him wide open for a three.

I suggest not watching highlights and instead watching the full games if available. LeBron did get routinely lit up Lewis in this game, but did a better job of staying up on him in later games. For the most part though, Rashards height proved to be too much.

[kawhileonard2]

I suggest not watching highlights and instead watching the full games if available. LeBron did get routinely lit up Lewis in this game, but did a better job of staying up on him in later games. For the most part though, Rashards height proved to be too much.

Also by Rafer Alston as well.

[TheCorporation]

39/8/8/1/1 on 49% wasn't enough

[kawhileonard2]

39/8/8/1/1 on 49% wasn't enough

Also getting abused by Rafer Alston.

[kawhileonard2]

Now he has him on his squad. Couldn’t beat him so he joined him.

[kawhileonard2]

Must be afraid of Dwight still.

[Baller789]

Mr. 1-5 can't defend the offensively challenged Dwight cuz he too strong even with PEDs.

[kawhileonard2]

Mr. 1-5 can't defend the offensively challenged Dwight cuz he too strong even with PEDs.

Yep!

[Lakers Legend#32]

With all Dwight's potential and what little he has accomplished, he's got to be the most worthless player in NBA history.

[kawhileonard2]

With all Dwight's potential and what little he has accomplished, he's got to be the most worthless player in NBA history.

How so? He beat Lebron without HCA.

[Taurus]

Prime Dwight has become so underrated it's actually crazy

[kawhileonard2]

Prime Dwight has become so underrated it's actually crazy

Yeah and beat Lebron without HCA.

[kawhileonard2]

How did this happen?

[kawhileonard2]

Prime Dwight has become so underrated it's actually crazy

Still amazed Dame made top 75 over him.