3ball how do you explain this (LeBron has the best Finals performances)

[Dray n Klay]

LeBron has the 2 best performances in Finals history according to Game Score:eek:


#1 Game 6 vs Warriors in 2016 42.5 GmScr

#2 Game 1 vs Warriors in 2018 41.3 GmScr



Jordan’s best Finals game is only 7th his 55 points vs Suns in 1993


That’s only a Game Score of 38.9 :eek:




Summary:


LeBron has 3 out of the 10 best Finals games in NBA history (#1, #2, #6)


Jordan only has 2 out of 10 (#7, #10)


LeBron has 3 Finals games better than Jordan’s best




Source: https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/tiny.fcgi?id=mAxri

[Dray n Klay]

3ball....

[aj1987]

How the **** are you not IP banned, you sub-human piece of shit?

[And1AllDay]

3baLLLL (lots of Ls) is too busy compiling jordan dunk highlights on these guys:

https://i.postimg.cc/sfWPZtWD/jordan2.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/y88WwsPp/maxresdefault.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/Nf0CtxMc/04araton-article-Large.jpg

[oh the horror]

How is this guy still making threads here?

[Big164]

What about RingScore?


Is Lebron really gonna have to play 30 seasons just to tie?

[Dray n Klay]

AJ, when I want a slushee I

[And1AllDay]

What about RingScore?


Is Jordan really gonna have to play 30 seasons just to tie Russell?

Good question. not sure how many more seasons MJ will need to pass Russell or tie him but playing baseball probably didnt help

[E_Stamkos]

How is this guy still making threads here?

3 possible reasons

1.) Jeff pays him a little stipend to stir the pot

2.) He's Jeff

3.) Dude is a total f*ucking loser who lacks love and a social life

[Dray n Klay]

E.....

[aj1987]

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]AJ, when I want a slushee I

[3ball]

LeBron has the 2 best performances in Finals history according to Game Score:eek:


#1 Game 6 vs Warriors in 2016 42.5 GmScr

#2 Game 1 vs Warriors in 2018 41.3 GmScr



Jordan’s best Finals game is only 7th his 55 points vs Suns in 1993


That’s only a Game Score of 38.9 :eek:




Summary:


LeBron has 3 out of the 10 best Finals games in NBA history (#1, #2, #6)


Jordan only has 2 out of 10 (#7, #10)


LeBron has 3 Finals games better than Jordan’s best




Source: https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/tiny.fcgi?id=mAxri

https://image.ibb.co/mgzQZb/NBAFINALS.png


So MJ's 1993 and 1991 > Lebron's 2016, and MJ has 4 top ten performances, to LeBron's fluke.. :confusedshrug:

Btw, how many points when it mattered (OT) for lebron in Game 1 of 2018?

[Dray n Klay]

https://image.ibb.co/mgzQZb/NBAFINALS.png


So MJ's 1993 and 1991 > Lebron's 2016, and MJ has 4 top ten performances, to LeBron's fluke.. :confusedshrug:

Btw, how many points when it mattered (OT) for lebron in Game 1 of 2018?


That pic is outdated..



Plus we

[3ball]

That pic is outdated..



Plus we’re discussing individual games (where LeBron has 3 Finals games better than any of Jordan’s ) not series
Lebron's 2017 and 2018 game scores were 29.2 and 28.3, which would rank 5th and 6th, or behind MJ's #4 and #1 (93', 91')

Also, MJ's flu game, game 6 in 98', game 1 in 92', game 3 in 91', and game 1 in 97' > anything lebron ever did..

They all involved winning with goat clutch, and several game winners, whereas ur posting games where he choked in the clutch (game 1 OT that mj was more likely to win because of the aforementioned games that he DID WIN due to goat clutch / GW's).... or needed a teammate to drop 40/goat performance as well (goatrie)... No comparison

[Real14]

How the **** are you not IP banned, you sub-human piece of shit?
I actually agree with you. He Is an embarrassment :facepalm

[aj1987]

I actually agree with you. He Is an embarrassment :facepalm
You are worse, Cecil.

[SamuraiSWISH]

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]AJ, when I want a slushee I

[Real14]

You are worse, Cecil.
I don't know who the phuck Cecil is, ok Roger?

[SomeBlackDude]

LeBron has the 2 best performances in Finals history

lelol


https://i.postimg.cc/d3B0YKSw/Worst-Finals-Le-Bron.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/VkSbjdVt/Bron-Terry-Finals.jpg


https://i.ibb.co/Q8dp2NX/Most-Finals-Losses.jpg




2018- Statistically, we just saw the most lopsided NBA Finals ever. The Warriors swept the series while outscoring the Cavaliers by a combined 60 points, the largest Finals margin of victory ever.

2018 finals
dubs- 116 ppg
lescrubs- 101 ppg
-15 margin is largest in nba finals history


2014- With a 104-87 blowout in Game 5 last night, the Spurs became the most dominant NBA finals winners ever.
...

The chart shows the Spurs scored 70 points more than the Heat this series besting the previous victory margin leaders, the 1965 Celtics, who outscored the Lakers by 63.

In recent history, the only other team to outscore their opponent by even 50 points was the 2008 Celtics against Lakers. Since 1958 the team without home-court advantage has won the finals only 17 times. As the bottom of the chart shows, eleven times in finals history, the losing team actually outscored the winning team, including the Spurs over the Heat last year, which did not work out quite as well for them.

2014 finals
geriatric spurs- 105.6
lesuper friends- 91.6
-14 margin was the largest in nba finals history

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https://media.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/giphy.gif

[72-10]

Thank you for all these charts and graphs. They helped clarify the difference.

[Bronbron23]

I'm a fan of both players but this is dumb. For one comparing stats from this era to any other area is just stupid. To many rules have been put in to benefit the offensive player.
Two, LeBron is a point gaurd who plays in a system that runs everything through him. Of course he's gonna have better overall stats.
Third, I'm getting tired of saying this but defence is half the battle. mj's defence in the mentioned games was way better.
I know this forum is full of stat nerds that think stats are the end all and be all but stats are overrated when comparing players. Eye test and winning are more important

[Gileraracer]

OP getting wheeled :lol

[jstern]

https://i.ibb.co/RYZ3mF3/Wheeled.png

Wheeled like a mf.

[kennethgriffen]

3baLLLL (lots of Ls) is too busy compiling jordan dunk highlights on these guys:

https://i.postimg.cc/sfWPZtWD/jordan2.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/y88WwsPp/maxresdefault.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/Nf0CtxMc/04araton-article-Large.jpg


lebrons been matching up with smaller guys his entire career


he's shy'd away from his natural position because he's a soft pansy that doesn't like banging down low

[And1AllDay]

lebrons been matching up with smaller guys his entire career


he's shy'd away from his natural position because he's a soft pansy that doesn't like banging down low


Thats your takeaway from the GBE grocery bagger era pics I posted? :lol

[superduper]

If we're going by game score then Kobe's 81pt game >>> 60pt triple doubles etc etc because it's a higher game score.

Rest in piss idiot :lol

Also, how is this clown not ban

[superduper]

3baLLLL (lots of Ls) is too busy compiling jordan dunk highlights on these guys:

https://i.postimg.cc/sfWPZtWD/jordan2.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/y88WwsPp/maxresdefault.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/Nf0CtxMc/04araton-article-Large.jpg

You know you reposting this nonsense over and over is the same as if the same pics with jj barea, fat boris diaw, and bran's garbage competition in the east was posted over and over.

It just shows your insecurity.

Also the average height from now and Jordan's era is literally like 1 inch difference if even that.

Stay getting ethered dumbass

[And1AllDay]

You know you reposting this nonsense over and over is the same as if the same pics with jj barea, fat boris diaw, and bran's garbage competition in the east was posted over and over.

It just shows your insecurity.

Also the average height from now and Jordan's era is literally like 1 inch difference if even that.

Stay getting ethered dumbass

Are you the angry version of 3baLLLLL

[aj1987]

I don't know who the phuck Cecil is, ok Roger?
That's your name, you obese cuck.

[ImKobe]

Difference is that Jordan puts up elite numbers in WINS. Lebron's Finals' numbers are heavily inflated by facing the Warriors 4x, who play small and at a very high pace, and who's game plan has been to let him drive the basketball in single coverage to wear him out over the course of a game.

Imagine opposing teams coaching against MJ and thinking to themselves "hey, let's sag off on this guy and let him shoot jump shots" or "let him drive the basketball in single coverage he'll be worn out by 4th quarter".

We saw what happened when MJ faced a high-pace run & gun team in '93, he averaged 41/9/6 on 51% shooting against a small ball team, who's tallest player on the court was a 6-10 Tom Chambers or Mark West :kobe: no real rim protection.

[aj1987]

Difference is that Jordan puts up elite numbers in WINS. Lebron's Finals' numbers are heavily inflated by facing the Warriors 4x, who play small and at a very high pace, and who's game plan has been to let him drive the basketball in single coverage to wear him out over the course of a game.

Imagine opposing teams coaching against MJ and thinking to themselves "hey, let's sag off on this guy and let him shoot jump shots" or "let him drive the basketball in single coverage he'll be worn out by 4th quarter".

We saw what happened when MJ faced a high-pace run & gun team in '93, he averaged 41/9/6 on 51% shooting against a small ball team, who's tallest player on the court was a 6-10 Tom Chambers or Mark West :kobe: no real rim protection.
How are you wrong EVER. SINGLE. TIME.

2015 Finals - 59% of shots were tight or very tightly contested.

2016 Finals - 61% of shots were tight or very tightly contested.

2017 Finals - 48% of shots were tight or very tightly contested.

2018 Finals - 73% of shots were tight or very tightly contested.

So, LeBron was defended tight on 60%+ of his shots in all but one of the Finals. But yeah, lets act like every single one of his shot was wide open.

[ImKobe]

How are you wrong EVER. SINGLE. TIME.

2015 Finals - 59% of shots were tight or very tightly contested.

2016 Finals - 61% of shots were tight or very tightly contested.

2017 Finals - 48% of shots were tight or very tightly contested.

2018 Finals - 73% of shots were tight or very tightly contested.

So, LeBron was defended tight on 60%+ of his shots in all but one of the Finals. But yeah, lets act like every single one of his shot was wide open.

What does "tightly contested" even mean? And haven't at least half the games been blowouts between Cavs & Warriors? How many times has Lebron padded his stats with the game over? Remember Game 5 of the 2017 Finals, where the series is already decided, yet Lebron has to push up the ball to complete his triple-double average.

How many times do I have to see him driving against Klay or Draymond in single coverage with them giving up a wide open layup to not foul him at the rim? I can't take his numbers seriously.

His 51 pt game was great, but was tainted by him quitting in OT because his teammate blew a play (at least he got the rebound and prevented Warriors from getting a game-winner, but let's just blame him). Stats in losses aren't impressive, it is what it is.

[Da_Realist]

What does "tightly contested" even mean? And haven't at least half the games been blowouts between Cavs & Warriors? How many times has Lebron padded his stats with the game over? Remember Game 5 of the 2017 Finals, where the series is already decided, yet Lebron has to push up the ball to complete his triple-double average.

How many times do I have to see him driving against Klay or Draymond in single coverage with them giving up a wide open layup to not foul him at the rim? I can't take his numbers seriously.

His 51 pt game was great, but was tainted by him quitting in OT because his teammate blew a play (at least he got the rebound and prevented Warriors from getting a game-winner, but let's just blame him). Stats in losses aren't impressive, it is what it is.

None of what you said shows up in the box score. So it doesn't matter. 20 years from now no one is going back to watch these games anyway. The numbers will stand forever. LeBron knows this. He's more teflon than R Kelly right now.

To misquote Bill Parcells: You are what your numbers say you are.

[ImKobe]

None of what you said shows up in the box score. So it doesn't matter. 20 years from now no one is going back to watch these games anyway. The numbers will stand forever. LeBron knows this. He's more teflon than R Kelly right now.

To misquote Bill Parcells: You are what your numbers say you are.

Yeah, but the media is already talking about different eras, and the casuals are catching onto this as well that not all stats are created equal. It would be different if he was the only one doing this. Westbrook is averaging a triple-double for the 3rd straight year, Harden's putting up all these godly numbers that Lebron's never averaged. I mean, Curry almost averaged a triple-double in the 2017 Finals and he wasn't even the FMVP.

I like the R Kelly analogy. Lebron can do anything he wants at this point & it will be overlooked.

NFL casuals/media have understood this for years now. People understand that the rules favor QBs a lot more in this era than any time ever, thus no one's making the argument that Kirk Cousins/Matt Ryan is on the level of a Joe Montana or Dan Marino because of their stats.

[Dray n Klay]

Yeah, but the media is already talking about different eras, and the casuals are catching onto this as well that not all stats are created equal. It would be different if he was the only one doing this. Westbrook is averaging a triple-double for the 3rd straight year, Harden's putting up all these godly numbers that Lebron's never averaged. I mean, Curry almost averaged a triple-double in the 2017 Finals and he wasn't even the FMVP.

I like the R Kelly analogy. Lebron can do anything he wants at this point & it will be overlooked.

NFL casuals/media have understood this for years now. People understand that the rules favor QBs a lot more in this era than any time ever, thus no one's making the argument that Kirk Cousins/Matt Ryan is on the level of a Joe Montana or Dan Marino because of their stats.



How do you explain Kobe playing in this era and only averaging 17ppg on 37% shooting then?

[Hey Yo]

What does "tightly contested" even mean? And haven't at least half the games been blowouts between Cavs & Warriors? How many times has Lebron padded his stats with the game over? Remember Game 5 of the 2017 Finals, where the series is already decided, yet Lebron has to push up the ball to complete his triple-double average.

How many times do I have to see him driving against Klay or Draymond in single coverage with them giving up a wide open layup to not foul him at the rim? I can't take his numbers seriously.

His 51 pt game was great, but was tainted by him quitting in OT because his teammate blew a play (at least he got the rebound and prevented Warriors from getting a game-winner, but let's just blame him). Stats in losses aren't impressive, it is what it is.
That's one of the stupidest fvcking things you've ever said.

Could you imagine Kerr saying in the middle of the 3rd quarter

I know you have 4 fouls Draymond but make sure you foul instead of giving up an easy layup.

:facepalm

[Bronbron23]

How are you wrong EVER. SINGLE. TIME.

2015 Finals - 59% of shots were tight or very tightly contested.

2016 Finals - 61% of shots were tight or very tightly contested.

2017 Finals - 48% of shots were tight or very tightly contested.

2018 Finals - 73% of shots were tight or very tightly contested.

So, LeBron was defended tight on 60%+ of his shots in all but one of the Finals. But yeah, lets act like every single one of his shot was wide open.
You need to go back and watch that 15 finals again bruh because Iggy was giving Bron the open mid-range all day. Bron wasn't confident in taking it so he would often give up the open shot and drive and force the contested one. So really he wasn't defended tight at all. LeBron could of won that series if he had a mid range like mj. Jordan would of dropped 40 a game on 50% shooting if Iggy gaurded him like that.

[And1AllDay]

That's your name, you obese cuck.

It makes sense for him to be named Cecil, obese, and a cuck, Low IQ too

[Duncan21formvp]

I want the Lebron fans to answer this


How did Lebron James lose to a Career Loser in Dwight Howard with HCA while having a 4x DPOY on his squad?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=454610&page=6

Answer it!

[bigkingsfan]

I want the Lebron fans to answer this


How did Lebron James lose to a Career Loser in Dwight Howard with HCA while having a 4x DPOY on his squad?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=454610&page=6

Answer it!
Duncan lost to an 8th seed franchise that never even made the finals before. :roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

Duncan lost to an 8th seed franchise that never even made the finals before. :roll:
They hadn't even won a playoff game before :roll:

[riseagainst]

Duncan lost to an 8th seed franchise that never even made the finals before. :roll:


destroyed.

:roll:

[Duncan21formvp]

Duncan lost to an 8th seed franchise that never even made the finals before. :roll:
I'm not proclaiming Duncan to be the GOAT. But even if the case if Duncan lost to an 8th seed in the West, imagine what would happen to Lebron:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

He gets the mess beat out of him by me. Imagine what others would do to him.:roll:

Guys like Dirk, Kobe, Shaq beat me in my prime, but Lebron needed Pops to take me out in the finals seconds in game 6 for Lebron to have a chance. That's like Jordan playing Bird in 1992 and being down 3-2 with HCA and coach taking out Bird in the final seconds.

[bigkingsfan]

They hadn't even won a playoff game before :roll:
Yikes

:roll:

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818167/duncanmiss.gif

[TheCorporation]

Duncan lost to an 8th seed franchise that never even made the finals before. :roll:

https://i.postimg.cc/sgSJxZML/giphy.gif

HE NEED SOME MELK

[Duncan21formvp]

How did Lebron James lose to a Career Loser in Dwight Howard with HCA while having a 4x DPOY on his squad.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=454610&page=6

Hell Lebron with Shaq only got to round 2, while Kobe with Shaq got 3 rings and Wade with Shaq 1 ring.

[TheCorporation]

How did Lebron James lose to a Career Loser in Dwight Howard with HCA while having a 4x DPOY on his squad.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=454610&page=6

Hell Lebron with Shaq only got to round 2, while Kobe with Shaq got 3 rings and Wade with Shaq 1 ring.


How did Duncan lose as a #1 seed to a #8 seed (Grizzlies) and the team he lost to had never even won a playoff game prior? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Duncan21formvp]

How did Duncan lose as a #1 seed to a #8 seed (Grizzlies) and the team he lost to had never even won a playoff game prior? :roll: :roll: :roll:
He lost because he had already beat the s*** out of Lebron. So he became overconfident.

Why did Lebron lose to Dwight Howard who was a career loser when Lebron had won nothing?

[TheCorporation]

He lost because he had already beat the s*** out of Lebron. So he became overconfident.

https://media.tenor.com/images/47f0650d57407c2361c2b40febc7212a/tenor.gif

[3ball]

.
Top Finals by gamescore:


1. Jordan 1991 - 32.8
2. Shaq 2000 - 32.2
3. Shaq 2002 - 32.0
4. Jordan 1993 - 30.7
5. Lebron 2017 29.6
6. Shaq 2001 - 29.1
7. Magic 1987 - 28.3
7. Lebron 2018 28.3
8. LeBron 2016 - 27.7
9. Jordan 1997 - 27.0
10. Wade 2006 - 26.9
11. Jordan 1992 - 26.7

https://image.ibb.co/mgzQZb/NBAFINALS.png

[aj1987]

You need to go back and watch that 15 finals again bruh because Iggy was giving Bron the open mid-range all day. Bron wasn't confident in taking it so he would often give up the open shot and drive and force the contested one. So really he wasn't defended tight at all. LeBron could of won that series if he had a mid range like mj. Jordan would of dropped 40 a game on 50% shooting if Iggy gaurded him like that.
I really think you should go back and watch that series. LeBron never really took mid-range jumpshots. That was never his game. In the '15 Finals, only 14% of LeBron's shots came from mid-range (16ft-3pt line). With that being said. These are absolute facts. You can cry or complain all you want, but facts are facts. I'm going to sit here and say that Kobe was only guarded on like 50 shots throughout his career in the Finals. Doesn't make it a fact. :confusedshrug:

What I'm presenting with you are undeniable FACTS.

Replace LeBron with MJ in those Finals and the Cavs get swept. Not even close. It was a 53 win team going up against a 67 win team with the league MVP. Not to mention the FACT that the 53 win team was missing it's 2nd and 3rd best players. When was the Last time that MJ won a title with Pippen and Grant or Pippen and Rodman missing a series?



What does "tightly contested" even mean?
You can look it up on NBA.com. They have this thing called player tracking, which pretty much proves all you retards wrong.


And haven't at least half the games been blowouts between Cavs & Warriors?
And? In the most crucial game of those Finals, G7 in 2016, LeBron dropped 11 PPG (most from both teams). Dude stopped the Warriors and scored 6 straight at a point and gave the Cavs a 2 point lead with like 5 minutes left. Was that stat padding? Lets not forget about those crucial FT's that he made with like 6 minutes left.

Padding is what your lover did during his 81 point game and his only 40 point game in the Finals.


How many times has Lebron padded his stats with the game over?
I'm pretty sure that it's a significantly fewer number of times that what your idol/lover did in his shitty 2/7 (gifted) career.


Remember Game 5 of the 2017 Finals, where the series is already decided, yet Lebron has to push up the ball to complete his triple-double average.
Oh yeah, those two points raised his PPG from a paltry 33.2 PPG to a mind numbing 33.6 PPG. ****ing idiot.


How many times do I have to see him driving against Klay or Draymond in single coverage with them giving up a wide open layup to not foul him at the rim? I can't take his numbers seriously.
Are you on crack? Literally no one can stop LeBron when he decides to drive. No one. When he doesn't, people don't double team him, because he a top 10 GOAT passer. Passing.. something which you Rapebe Turds never understand. People do not want to double on LeBron, because he WILL find an open person. You also can't really defend him 1v1 because he can get to the rim at will. He proved it time and time again.

Remind me of the one time when LeBron went 6/24, but only won a Game 7 because the refs gave his team more FT's in the 4th alone than they gave to the other team during the entire game.


His 51 pt game was great, but was tainted by him quitting in OT because his teammate blew a play (at least he got the rebound and prevented Warriors from getting a game-winner, but let's just blame him). Stats in losses aren't impressive, it is what it is.
I guess MJ's 69 point game against the Celtics was a shit game. :confusedshrug:

You really need to grow up and take Brickbe's dick out of your ass.


He lost because he had already beat the s*** out of Lebron. So he became overconfident.

Why did Lebron lose to Dwight Howard who was a career loser when Lebron had won nothing?
Duncan lost as the #1 seed to the #8 seed, you flaming homo. :roll: :roll:

[TheCorporation]

.
Top Finals by gamescore:


1. Jordan 1991 - 32.8
2. Shaq 2000 - 32.2
3. Shaq 2002 - 32.0
4. Jordan 1993 - 30.7
5. Lebron 2017 29.6
6. Shaq 2001 - 29.1
7. Magic 1987 - 28.3
7. Lebron 2018 28.3
8. LeBron 2016 - 27.7
9. Jordan 1997 - 27.0
10. Wade 2006 - 26.9
11. Jordan 1992 - 26.7

https://image.ibb.co/mgzQZb/NBAFINALS.png

Great! Against tax accountants and part time auto mechanics? Once we consider competition his feats become far less impressive. He was held to 29 on 41% against the Super Sonics. Imagine what the Warriors would hold him to? 24 on 32%?

[bullettooth]

Great! Against tax accountants and part time auto mechanics? Once we consider competition his feats become far less impressive. He was held to 29 on 41% against the Super Sonics. Imagine what the Warriors would hold him to? 24 on 32%?

Lebron averaged 18ppg against midget JJ Barea.

:lol

[3ball]

Great! Against tax accountants and part time auto mechanics? Once we consider competition his feats become far less impressive. He was held to 29 on 41% against the Super Sonics. Imagine what the Warriors would hold him to? 24 on 32%?
Why bring that up when lebron's worst series or Finals are much worse?

And MJ finished them off in game 3... you guys can't see how weak and desperate this argument is?.. it's nothing compared to the arguments against lebron

[TheCorporation]

Why bring that up when lebron's worst series or Finals are much worse?

And MJ finished them off in game 3... you guys can't see how weak and desperate this argument is?.. it's nothing compared to the arguments against lebron

Are you comparing 2007 LeBron? Why not 2015? 2016? 2017? 2018?

Was '96 not Jordan's 72-win season?

[And1AllDay]

How did Duncan lose as a #1 seed to a #8 seed (Grizzlies) and the team he lost to had never even won a playoff game prior? :roll: :roll: :roll:

wOw iS tHiS tRu?

Duncan Spurs lost in the 1st round as a one seed? :eek: