Wolves fire Tom Thibodeau

[Wally450]

Per Woj


Minnesota has fired President and Coach Tom Thibodeau, league source tells ESPN.

[RRR3]

Wonder if it was because he was playing KAT in a blowout.

[D-Wait]

Just hope the new coach keeps giving Rose so many minutes...

[scuzzy]

:biggums: minutes after a blowout win



something must have exploded behind doors with Wolves owner

[bluechox2]

sucks for drose...

[90sgoat]

Good riddance to Tom and his penchant for certain players and irrational disdain for others.

[CuterThanRubio]

Let the CELEBRATION BEGIN!

First and foremost, I'd like to call upon the small legion of absolute MORONS that applauded his hiring and chastised me for criticizing the move, his outdated defensive schemes (ICE!) failed to catch on and his archaic offense was never going to work in the modern NBA and it was obvious that his stubborn approach wouldn't allow him to adapt and change his strategy to fit the roster he had adopted (which is why he pushed for the panic trade to acquire Butler, which is something he had in mind before pursuing the job, the only reason he was interested in it to begin with).

This dude is concentrated garbage behind the clipboard, burning out young stars on multiple occasions because he lacks the aptitude necessary to develop youthful talent and his roster management is so unimanginitive THAT he can't figure out a plan B when plan A isn't working, (MORE MINUTES!)/

He's unable to coexist with young players, treating them like slaves doesn't create chemistry in the locker room and he refuses to open up his personality to make an effort to bond with guys, he destroyed the morale of the team and it was clear once the Butler drama erupted how poor he is at handling human relations, a complete and utter embarassment

Not to mention he did very little to address the teams biggest weakness, three point shooting, until his hand was forced and the Wolves scored Covington, who is already injured from overuse, and the team is still in the bottom third in that category statistically, I don't know what his approach was going into this season, more of the same wasn't working and the owner finally wisened up to it.

Now if we can only get Derrick Rose tf out of here next, empty stats garbage, team plays better without him, he's a joke.


:hammerhead:

:cheers:

:rockon:

[kennethgriffen]

well there goes derrick rose's comeback. he'll be replaced with a young guy pretty soon

[BigKAT]

Well.

Mixed feelings here. He was underachieving but I don't know that we will make the right hiring now either.

Just please not Ty Lue or Hoiberg.

Mark Jackson?

[90sgoat]

This is the guy who shipped out Rubio, then lacked an unselfish playmaker ever since :roll:

[CelticBaller]

Let

[CuterThanRubio]

This is the guy who shipped out Rubio, then lacked an unselfish playmaker ever since :roll:


But Rose is an all star again, who cares? Am I right?

[Xiao Yao You]

This is the guy who shipped out Rubio, then lacked an unselfish playmaker ever since :roll:

please take back that unselfish playmaker. What a shitty basketball player he is. You should be celebrating the 1st round pick you got for dumping his ask!

[CuterThanRubio]

please take back that unselfish playmaker. What a shitty basketball player he is. You should be celebrating the 1st round pick you got for dumping his ask!


lmao

And nothing has changed around here, I love it

[k0kakw0rld]

Overrated coach. Mark Jackson should be getting his job.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Was it because they beat us by too many points? Bone headed move.

[CelticBaller]

Overrated coach. Mark Jackson should be getting his job.
Lmao Mark Jackson is not only a terrible coach but a terrible human being :roll:

[RealSkipBayless]

Can the Lakers get him?

[k0kakw0rld]

Lmao Mark Jackson is not only a terrible coach but a terrible human being :roll:
Terrible is the reason why Iggy ditched Denver to join Golden State and therefore give them their first championship. :confusedshrug:

[Bosnian Sajo]

Lmaooooo he is getting replaced by Hoiberg again?? :oldlol:


Twolves to stay in mediocrity for the next 10+ years. Remember when people were salivating with Minnesota's "potential"?

[Bosnian Sajo]

Terrible is the reason why Iggy ditched Denver to join Golden State and therefore give them their first championship. :confusedshrug:


What?

[k0kakw0rld]

Lmaooooo he is getting replaced by Hoiberg again?? :oldlol:


Twolves to stay in mediocrity for the next 10+ years. Remember when people were salivating with Minnesota's "potential"?
KAT been on a tier lately and Wiggins suddenly woke the f--k up. :biggums:

[Bosnian Sajo]

KAT been on a tier lately and Wiggins suddenly woke the f--k up. :biggums:

Yea, good luck with that.

[CelticBaller]

Was it because they beat us by too many points? Bone headed move.
Maybe because he sucks

Do you even pay attention to the NBA outside LA?

[CelticBaller]

Terrible is the reason why Iggy ditched Denver to join Golden State and therefore give them their first championship. :confusedshrug:
I

[PJR]

Glen Taylor is probably the worse owner in the NBA not named Dan Gilbert.

[FireDavidKahn]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

This is very atypical of Glen Taylor:biggums: :biggums:

Wow.

THANK GOD

[Bosnian Sajo]

Maybe because he sucks

Do you even pay attention to the NBA outside LA?

Other than trades and FA signings, no.


Unfortunately, I don't have the time to care about all the teams ya dingus.

[Xiao Yao You]

Glen Taylor is probably the worse owner in the NBA not named Dan Gilbert.

Dolan, THe Kings and Suns owners

[FireDavidKahn]

Glen Taylor is probably the worse owner in the NBA not named Dan Gilbert.
Taylor is way worse. Taylor is just really quite and stays out of the headlines so you never hear anything negative about him unlike someone like Gilbert.

The Wolves have the lowest winning out of any team in the 4 major spots (MLB, NHL, NBA, NFL).

[CelticBaller]

Other than trades and FA signings, no.


Unfortunately, I don't have the time to care about all the teams ya dingus.
Then don’t comment on any teams you have no idea what’s going on with them

Dingus

[k0kakw0rld]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]I

[Bosnian Sajo]

No Iggy, No Championship for GSW. He got there under whom? :confusedshrug:

Don't argue with him g, he obviously holds his opinions as facts and everyone else is "clueless".


Mark jackson was beloved by most of the players and was key in the team growing together and achieving the chemistry necessary to make a playoff run.

[CelticBaller]

He got there under the GM who makes the signings


Like I said. Do some research before acting like you know shit. Mark Jackson literally got coaches fired for pointing out how to improve the team. It no surprise Kerr simplistic offense brought the best out of all the warriors

[Bosnian Sajo]

He got there under the GM who makes the signings


Like I said. Do some research before acting like you know shit. Mark Jackson literally got coaches fired for pointing out how to improve the team. It no surprise Kerr simplistic offense brought the best out of all the warriors

Regardless of what you think, do some research before acting like you know shit ;)

[CelticBaller]

Regardless of what you think, do some research before acting like you know shit ;)
http://www.warriorsworld.net/2015/06/22/warriors-news-mark-jackson-lied-team-festus-ezeli/

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.thecomeback.com/nba/brian-scalabrine-details-how-mark-jackson-fired-him-and-it-aint-pretty.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/bluemanhoop.com/2014/12/06/joe-lacob-cites-poor-assistants-relationships-as-reasons-for-firing-mark-jackson/amp/

All you had to do is google “why mark Jackson was fired” and there’s a lot more

[Bosnian Sajo]

You expect for us to respect your opinion after acting like a stuck up brat and calling everyone with an opposing opnion clueless...I could give a damn if everything you've said so far is correct, you can take those links and shove em up your ass.

[CelticBaller]

Lmao I certainly struck a nerve

I

[insidehoops]

Timberwolves now confirm Thibodeau has been fired.

[coin24]

They probably should have played out the rest of the season.
Wolves have been playing better lately. Not a huge thibs fan but you could do a whole lot worse..

No team should hire mark Jackson that's for sure..

[stalkerforlife]

Will Wiggins now be a superstar?

Woooow.

[FireDavidKahn]

They probably should have played out the rest of the season.
Wolves have been playing better lately. Not a huge thibs fan but you could do a whole lot worse..

No team should hire mark Jackson that's for sure..
No point. Weren't gonna make the play offs anyway. No need to prolong the inevitable when you were going to fire him in he didn't make the play offs.

Plus now we get to see what Ryan Saunders can do.

[FireDavidKahn]

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Minnesota CEO Ethan Casson and GM Scott Layden walked into Thibodeau's office and fired him after the Lakers victory, league sources tell ESPN. Thibodeau was surprised at the timing, had no idea his ouster was imminent. Casson hadn't been a fan of Thibodeau era.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[L8krH8tr]

this guy is a perfect Defensive coordinator type guy like they have in the NFL. When Defensive coordinators or offensive coordinators become head coaches it's very very hard for them to make it to elite levels.

[FireDavidKahn]

this guy is a perfect Defensive coordinator type guy like they have in the NFL. When Defensive coordinators or offensive coordinators become head coaches it's very very hard for them to make it to elite levels.
Ironically we've always had good offenses and absolutely horrible defense.

The "best" part about our defense is that Thibs asked our wings to collapse really far in which would always lead to open 3's. It's THE reason why we are last in opponent 3P%

[Bosnian Sajo]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

That's ****ed.



Not a good look for your franchise at all, man.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

lmao

And nothing has changed around here, I love it

Rubio has been complete dogshit this year. Him and DMitch are the reasons Utah hasnt been the team most thought theyd be this year

[bdonovan]

I’m sorry did he win a championship with the Warriors?


Mark Jackson held the Warriors back despite the immense talent. Not only that he also was a religious but who wanted Bogut gone. Yeah that’s bogut who was a very key piece into winning a title, because he was an atheist

He also got assistant coaches fired because he didn’t know x and o, and tried to get the team to turn on the management

Do some research before you spew shit

Been a Warriors fan since 92. No, Bogut was not essential to anything. They won a championship with him, they won several without him. As for asst. coaches, the head coach can choose his own staff (the only problem stemming from the decision was a "political" one for Jackson himself)

To say Jackson held the Warriors back despite talent is errant and glosses over how junior and developing 2 of their eventual 3 stars were. He took a losing team to an over 50 win season (first since the Run TMC era), every year a better record; was pushed out due to politics. He only had the trio of Green, Thompson, and Curry for two years. Dray was only in Year 2, Klay in Year 3 when he was pushed out- they were still 'becoming' as a trio, building the experience they leveraged later on to win rings.

And of course Kerr inherits a great team, well coached and wins the following year. If you assume they won 'because of Kerr', you're in Casual-Fan-land and don't understand how the team progressed every year to being on the cusp of victory. Their motion offense was largely improvisational; once Jackson instilled the fundamentals and they had that talent, they were on their way. Kerr didn't add any genius 'plays' of his own to change anything.

Jackson is a terrific coach; who can develop relationships with today's players. The rest is just simple gossip.

Don't want to derail this thread because it's about Minnesota and Thibs, but had to respond to that.

[Duderonomy]

Thibs style is less effective in the post 2015 league , if you don't evolve you become extinct.

This current roster is a good example of "the process" not paying off.

[Xiao Yao You]

Rubio has been complete dogshit this year. Him and DMitch are the reasons Utah hasnt been the team most thought theyd be this year

when was Rubio not dogshit? Many reasons they aren't the team some thought they'd be. None of the reasons are Gobert though. Been a crappy team without him for 4 years. Can only imagine if they ever put a team around him.

[Hey Yo]

Terrible is the reason why Iggy ditched Denver to join Golden State and therefore give them their first championship. :confusedshrug:
Golden St. won an NBA title in 1975

[FireDavidKahn]

That's ****ed.



Not a good look for your franchise at all, man.
Welcome to the Wolves.:oldlol: :cheers:

[PeroAntic]

Ironically we've always had good offenses and absolutely horrible defense.

The "best" part about our defense is that Thibs asked our wings to collapse really far in which would always lead to open 3's. It's THE reason why we are last in opponent 3P%
This is true. Thibs' defensive scheme of pack the post and explode for closeouts can work, but it needs the players to be both fit (and with him playing them to a grind, they won't ever be, see RoCo) and hard workers (which will never be the case for Wiggins). So unless you check those two boxes, in today's age its gonna look antiquated. However Taylor should have just traded Wiggins for someone like Wes Matthews or Otto Porter instead of abandoning the entire project. Thibs was just starting to get the Wolves going on offense with the Rose-Towns pick n roll.

[CuterThanRubio]

Rubio has been complete dogshit this year. Him and DMitch are the reasons Utah hasnt been the team most thought theyd be this year

I'd say that blame falls mostly into Donovan's lap, he's the "star" of the team, not Ricky, but they have been playing much better lately, it's last season all over again for that team.

[Xiao Yao You]

I'd say that blame falls mostly into Donovan's lap, he's the "star" of the team, not Ricky, but they have been playing much better lately, it's last season all over again for that team.

Gobert is their star no matter how much anyone wants it not to be.

The problem is that the worst shooter on the team takes two more field goals than anyone on the team not named Mitchell despite Gobert leading the league in shooting and Favors also finishing at a high rate. Throw in the turnovers and matador defense and what does the guy offer? If they had a coach that would bench bad Rubio than you might be able to live with him but they don't. Ricky will get his minutes regardless of how bad he is. Living and dying with Ricky. Snyder for COTY! :rant

Mitchell is forced to take shots because the only guys open are Rubio, Exum and Favors.

Be hard to repeat last year.

[FireDavidKahn]

KAT taking shots at Thibs:lol

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[Jasper]

Coach T will land a job , probably in Cleveland for a long haul.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Been a Warriors fan since 92. No, Bogut was not essential to anything. They won a championship with him, they won several without him. As for asst. coaches, the head coach can choose his own staff (the only problem stemming from the decision was a "political" one for Jackson himself)

To say Jackson held the Warriors back despite talent is errant and glosses over how junior and developing 2 of their eventual 3 stars were. He took a losing team to an over 50 win season (first since the Run TMC era), every year a better record; was pushed out due to politics. He only had the trio of Green, Thompson, and Curry for two years. Dray was only in Year 2, Klay in Year 3 when he was pushed out- they were still 'becoming' as a trio, building the experience they leveraged later on to win rings.

And of course Kerr inherits a great team, well coached and wins the following year. If you assume they won 'because of Kerr', you're in Casual-Fan-land and don't understand how the team progressed every year to being on the cusp of victory. Their motion offense was largely improvisational; once Jackson instilled the fundamentals and they had that talent, they were on their way. Kerr didn't add any genius 'plays' of his own to change anything.

Jackson is a terrific coach; who can develop relationships with today's players. The rest is just simple gossip.

Don't want to derail this thread because it's about Minnesota and Thibs, but had to respond to that.


Bet money Celtic will respond with some of his "research".


As if we all didn't watch and see what happened before our very eyes. EVERYONE knew GSW were on the cusp of something special when Jackson took them to the playoffs and they were splashing 3's like they were layups.


Great post.

[Ass Dan]

Had KAT and Wiggins for 3 plus years. Neither still knows how to defend the p/r. Claims to be defensive guru.

Built the team to look like a shit Bulls team that made early playoff exits.

Prehistoric offensive sets with athletes standing around.

Yeah, he sucks.

[CelticBaller]

Been a Warriors fan since 92. No, Bogut was not essential to anything. They won a championship with him, they won several without him. As for asst. coaches, the head coach can choose his own staff (the only problem stemming from the decision was a "political" one for Jackson himself)

To say Jackson held the Warriors back despite talent is errant and glosses over how junior and developing 2 of their eventual 3 stars were. He took a losing team to an over 50 win season (first since the Run TMC era), every year a better record; was pushed out due to politics. He only had the trio of Green, Thompson, and Curry for two years. Dray was only in Year 2, Klay in Year 3 when he was pushed out- they were still 'becoming' as a trio, building the experience they leveraged later on to win rings.

And of course Kerr inherits a great team, well coached and wins the following year. If you assume they won 'because of Kerr', you're in Casual-Fan-land and don't understand how the team progressed every year to being on the cusp of victory. Their motion offense was largely improvisational; once Jackson instilled the fundamentals and they had that talent, they were on their way. Kerr didn't add any genius 'plays' of his own to change anything.

Jackson is a terrific coach; who can develop relationships with today's players. The rest is just simple gossip.

Don't want to derail this thread because it's about Minnesota and Thibs, but had to respond to that.

fr? thats why you're an alt with 600 post? :oldlol:

lets see what actual warrior fans have to say


I know what you're thinking. He deserves credit: He was a rookie coach, and he wasn't terrible, he won several games with the team and got them to the playoffs twice. I agree, for a rookie coach, he did well. Hey, 3rd best in the league on defense is ****ing good. 12th on offense is a bit meh, but defense was ****in good. I give him credit. We do have to take in consideration though, he had a lot to work with.

Are we are giving no credit to management for bringing in defensive talent like Iggy (top 3, one of best perimeter defenders in the league by all statistical measures), Klay (good perimeter defender, out best man defender next to Iggy), Bogut (top caliber post defender when he's healthy), and Dray (defensive machine for Michigan)? The new management did a great job with this team, new ownership is willing to spend and make good decisions.

So all credit goes to Mark Jackson's magic coaching ability right? Not the players?

Not the players that shot us out of games and hit tough ass shots when Mark was on the sidelines praying for his "hey, Steph..uhh..do something" offense?

Look, i never said I don't give Mark Jackson credit, but I will not give him more credit than he deserves. On top of all that, he alienated his bosses, threw his assistants under the bus, turned the players against management and staff, and created a cancerous 'us vs. them' attitude.

The guy was a mediocre coach, ran a stagnant isolation heavy offense that any NBA head coach could have engineered. He killed Barnes development. I ****ing hated watching Barnes just improvise out there, with Jackson not drawing any plays for him, and Barnes only opportunity to show his talent would be whenever a play died (w/ no backup plan) and he has to chuck up a shot with the clock running out.

And this was the story so many times. Plays don't work, die, no backup plan, isolation Steph or Klay, or anyone, and chuck up a shot. Our roster bailed out Mark Jackson by hitting tough shot, after tough shot. Jackson didn't complete his part of the deal - being a good coach. He just simply wasn't an offensive strategist.

If you're asking for a reason why we weren't as vocal about Mark for the past 2 seasons (although we very much were), I'd like to point out that the Warriors have been in NBA purgatory for years, we liked winning and we were grateful enough. Enough. Thats the key work here. We settled for enough. But the new management and ownership didn't, and I'm so ****ing glad. They realize theres not many opportunities for NBA teams to succeed at a high level, and we can never settle for 'enough'.

Also Mark banned Jim Barnett from practices and team events, Jim Barnett one of the most beloved Warriors staff member in history.

Tl:dr: **** Mark Jackson. I feel sorry for any team trying to hire him to make their team into a contender. He's mediocre.

Completely glad he is gone.


Clashes with the FO, alienating staff, trying to brainwash his team, the "Jesus take the wheel" offense, and how badly he was holding his team back.


He ran countless Jermaine O'Neal post ups that JO shot sub-40% on, it took him a long time to realize that the 5 man bench unit wasn't working out, his timeout use was suspicious, he didn't draw up plays, and wasn't willing to work with management.

I wish /u/jeffvangundy was still around for this thread.


He had an overly simplistic offense and was holding back a talented team, is the official answer, and it's not inaccurate.

The reason he was fired, more realistically, is probably that he is a homophobe, clashed with management, locked powerful and well liked people out of his practices, etc., and refused to move to Northern California because he runs a church in SoCal

[QUOTE]In Jackson

[CelticBaller]

Bet money Celtic will respond with some of his "research".


As if we all didn't watch and see what happened before our very eyes. EVERYONE knew GSW were on the cusp of something special when Jackson took them to the playoffs and they were splashing 3's like they were layups.


Great post.
Lmao I got this little bitch on a leash :oldlol:

when is rent due?