Kobe and MJ had Phil Jackson. Lebron had who??

[keep-itreal]

Who??

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[TheImmortal]

LeBron and his "posse" couldn't handle Phil Jackson (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18055626/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-slams-phil-jackson-referring-business-partners-posse) .. yet according to multiple saurces bff media fanboy "LeBron is gangsta" (https://youtu.be/3I-UOU-OBEA?t=388).. when in reality dude is soft like charmin tbqh :lol

[kennethgriffen]

lebron would get that old slave owner white devil fired and replace him with a younger tyron lue if he had phil earlier in his career


he can't play off the ball or follow an offensive system so the triangle would be useless to a guy like lebron

[superduper]

Wade/Bosh/Kyrie/Love

[LAmbruh]

legit :roll:



BrickBe was showered with former premiere Coach of the Year HC's and still managed to get 1st rnd bounced year after year :oldlol:


Harden made WCF with D'antoni

CP3 made WCF's with Scott

Lebron made the Finals with Brown



12be?? All three turnstyled out in 5 season :yaohappy:

[kennethgriffen]

legit :roll:



BrickBe was showered with former premiere Coach of the Year HC's and still managed to get 1st rnd bounced year after year :oldlol:


Harden made WCF with D'antoni

CP3 made WCF's with Scott

Lebron made the Finals with Brown



12be?? All three turnstyled out in 5 season :yaohappy:



hey if kobe had the luxury of playing in the east i'm sure he could get all his coaches fired and implement an assist pass ball dominating agenda flawed offensive system

he'd get a free pass to the finals too. but his finals record would be dog shit like lebrons



look at how lebrons putrid style is doing right now in a real conference... 8th seed about to miss the playoffs and kill all his false narratives



"oh but lebron missed 5 games"

boo hoo


kobe missed more than that 4 times post shaq and still made the playoffs


eat a d*ck simon. your guys career is OVER

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[Gus Hemmingway]

legit :roll:



BrickBe was showered with former premiere Coach of the Year HC's and still managed to get 1st rnd bounced year after year :oldlol:


Harden made WCF with D'antoni

CP3 made WCF's with Scott

Lebron made the Finals with Brown



12be?? All three turnstyled out in 5 season :yaohappy:
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[warriorfan]

LeBron had Da Real Lambo

[RRR3]

hey if kobe had the luxury of playing in the east i'm sure he could get all his coaches fired and implement an assist pass ball dominating agenda flawed offensive system

he'd get a free pass to the finals too. but his finals record would be dog shit like lebrons



look at how lebrons putrid style is doing right now in a real conference... 8th seed about to miss the playoffs and kill all his false narratives



"oh but lebron missed 5 games"

boo hoo


kobe missed more than that 4 times post shaq and still made the playoffs


eat a d*ck simon. your guys career is OVER

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Kobe missed the playoffs in his prime with Lamar Odom and Caron Butler (two players better than anyone LeBron has). Before you say "b-b-buh-but injuries" the Lakers were 28-38 in the games Kobe played.



Not sure why you think it reflects poorly on LeBron that his current team can't win without him. It's the opposite. They were the 4 seed before he went down.

[kennethgriffen]

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i always know when i have you beat. your alt self quoting rolling smileys is a dead give away

:lol

[kennethgriffen]

Kobe missed the playoffs in his prime with Lamar Odom and Caron Butler (two players better than anyone LeBron has). Before you say "b-b-buh-but injuries" the Lakers were 28-38 in the games Kobe played.



Not sure why you think it reflects poorly on LeBron that his current team can't win without him. It's the opposite. They were the 4 seed before he went down.


kobe and odom missed nearly 20 games each


if lebron and kuzma miss that many i'll give lebron a pass


but hes due back within a week and kuzma probly won't be out long either


tough luck buttercup

['Toine=MVP]

LeBron always begged to get good coaches fired and get proxy coaches in. It's another in a long line of black marks that disqualify him from any talk of all time greatness.

[LAmbruh]

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[Real14]

Wade/Bosh/Kyrie/Love
And Ray Allen. End thread folkz:applause: :cheers:

[MrFonzworth]

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[RRR3]

kobe and odom missed nearly 20 games each


if lebron and kuzma miss that many i'll give lebron a pass


but hes due back within a week and kuzma probly won't be out long either


tough luck buttercup
Who cares how many games Kobe missed when they were 28-38 when he played? :lol

[ballinhun8]

Adam Silver. Next.

[RRR3]

Adam Silver. Next.
Where was Adam Silver in game 1 of the finals last year?

[Real14]

Where was Adam Silver in game 1 of the finals last year?
:biggums:

[RealSkipBayless]

Adam Silver. Next.
We win again. :banana:

:dancin :dancin

[LAmbruh]

Who cares how many games Kobe missed when they were 28-38 when he played? :lol
> Lakers with Shaq/No Kobe: 36-8
> Lakers with Kobe/No Shaq: 53-45

We always flourished when Kobe went down

Meanwhile could barely BREATH when Diesel went down

See: 2005, 2017

[E_Stamkos]

A stepfather as a teammate.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/Delonte_West_Celtics.jpg/220px-Delonte_West_Celtics.jpg

[Real14]

A stepfather as a teammate.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/Delonte_West_Celtics.jpg/220px-Delonte_West_Celtics.jpg
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[keep-itreal]

LeBron always begged to get good coaches fired and get proxy coaches in. It's another in a long line of black marks that disqualify him from any talk of all time greatness.

ty lue, mike brown, david blatt aren't good coaches:oldlol:

[kennethgriffen]

Who cares how many games Kobe missed when they were 28-38 when he played? :lol


most of those losses with kobe came at the very end when they were basically tanking

they purposely lost 18 of their last 21 games after the injuries already took place


go back to before that stretch and kobe was 25-20

[ImKobe]

Pat Riley??? You know, the guy that led the showtime Lakers to 4 championships? How about D-Wade to mentor him as well?

Lebron was nothing but a loser that couldn't even beat the Dwight Howard Orlando Magic, who failed to make the Finals twice in a row on 60+ win teams in the weak EC.

[Gus Hemmingway]

> Lakers with Shaq/No Kobe: 36-8
> Lakers with Kobe/No Shaq: 53-45

We always flourished when Kobe went down

Meanwhile could barely BREATH when Diesel went down

See: 2005, 2017
Damn, ugly


His impact is what we knew it was

[ImKobe]

Damn, ugly


His impact is what we knew it was


Shaq without Kobe: 1/2 in the Finals, 0 FMVPs, 0 MVPs, one role player ring thanks to D-Whistle.

Kobe without Shaq: 2/3 in the Finals, 2 FMVPs, 1 MVP, carried a bunch of average players to 3 straight Finals in the stacked Western Conference :lol

[Gus Hemmingway]

> Lakers with Shaq/No Kobe: 36-8
> Lakers with Kobe/No Shaq: 53-45

We always flourished when Kobe went down

Meanwhile could barely BREATH when Diesel went down

See: 2005, 2017
damn, had to double take to confirm


yep still haunting

[ImKobe]

damn, had to double take to confirm


yep still haunting

Shaq without Kobe: 1/2 in the Finals, 0 FMVPs, 0 MVPs, one role player ring thanks to D-Whistle.

Kobe without Shaq: 2/3 in the Finals, 2 FMVPs, 1 MVP, carried a bunch of average players to 3 straight Finals in the stacked Western Conference :lol

[Phoenix]

Lebron James in the triangle. An interesting idea.....

[LAmbruh]

Damn, ugly


His impact is what we knew it was
The 2004 team was built around 3 peat FMVP Shaq ball


Just like Lakers young core, Kobe similarly didn't know how to dribble in 2005, 2006, 2006 without him


But we sure knew how to start winning after he left :lol :hammertime:

[ImKobe]

The 2004 team was built around 3 peat FMVP Shaq ball


Just like Lakers young core, Kobe similarly didn't know how to dribble in 2005, 2006, 2006 without him

Shaq without Kobe: 1/2 in the Finals, 0 FMVPs, 0 MVPs, one role player ring thanks to D-Whistle.

Kobe without Shaq: 2/3 in the Finals, 2 FMVPs, 1 MVP, carried a bunch of average players to 3 straight Finals in the stacked Western Conference :lol

[Gileraracer]

Adam Silver. Next.

END

[Gus Hemmingway]

The 2004 team was built around 3 peat FMVP Shaq ball


Just like Lakers young core, Kobe similarly didn't know how to dribble in 2005, 2006, 2006 without him


But we sure knew how to start winning after he left :lol :hammertime:
As did Lou Will, Clarkson, Nance , Randle, D'lo, and Young. 1/2 of whom went to Finals last year :oldlol:

Imagine even a dash of 2004 Team USA Lamar Odom and Caron Butler

Lonzo Ball and Josh Hart makes Smush Parker look like 2nd Team All-NBA, same with Kwame and McGee! :lol

[MJistheGOAT]

Silver, refs, media.
Ray Allen.
Kyrie.
Wade.

[Hey Yo]

legit :roll:



BrickBe was showered with former premiere Coach of the Year HC's and still managed to get 1st rnd bounced year after year :oldlol:


Harden made WCF with D'antoni

CP3 made WCF's with Scott

Lebron made the Finals with Brown



12be?? All three turnstyled out in 5 season :yaohappy:
https://media.giphy.com/media/OK27wINdQS5YQ/giphy.gif

[Hey Yo]

hey if kobe had the luxury of playing in the east i'm sure he could get all his coaches fired and implement an assist pass ball dominating agenda flawed offensive system

he'd get a free pass to the finals too. but his finals record would be dog shit like lebrons



look at how lebrons putrid style is doing right now in a real conference... 8th seed about to miss the playoffs and kill all his false narratives



"oh but lebron missed 5 games"

boo hoo


kobe missed more than that 4 times post shaq and still made the playoffs


eat a d*ck simon. your guys career is OVER

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Kobe had a chance to play in the East if he would have let the Nets draft him like they wanted to. Instead, he colluded with the Lakers and chose to sit on the bench his first 2 seasons.

[tpols]

LeBron always begged to get good coaches fired and get proxy coaches in. It's another in a long line of black marks that disqualify him from any talk of all time greatness.


Yup... Fueded with every HOF level coach... Pat, Phil, David, you name it. Had puppet brothers take their place.

[Hey Yo]

most of those losses with kobe came at the very end when they were basically tanking

they purposely lost 18 of their last 21 games after the injuries already took place


go back to before that stretch and kobe was 25-20
I thought Kobe was too competitive to tank? Always had that alleged killer mamba instinct at all times???

Guess that claim can be flushed down the shitter.

[guy]

Jordan only played 5 seasons and was a 3x scoring champ, MVP and led his team to the conference finals playing with bad supporting casts in the more dominant conference before Phil was ever the Bulls head coach. What was Phil before Jordan?

[superduper]

If Bran stans don't understand why he wouldn't work with an alpha coach that forces a system onto his team then there's nothing more to discuss.

[And1AllDay]

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[PP34Deuce]

Lebron seems to really only most likely respect Popavich as a coach. Doc Rivers would probably be another coach he'd play for.

He wants to be the project manager/architect which is why he's the best floor raiser in the NBA.

So many of you hate the man emotionally which to me is more alarming than trolling.

He plays basketball like a CEO while Jordan and Kobe played ball like the top salesmen.

[fiddy]

A Silver

[3ball]

What difference does the coaching make, if lebron refuses every system that is offered to him?

Lebron refused to run the system that Blatt offered him because he wanted to keep dominating the ball and playing the way he liked.
Those are the facts:



"They have completely abandoned his offensive system. LeBron has taken over point guard without even consulting David Blatt.”

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/12/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-david-blatt-rift


Imagine if MJ's skillset was too ball-dominant for a system - he would've rejected Phil's unproven, quirky little triangle system just like lebron did Blatt's system..

Fortunately, MJ was much more skilled, so he sacrificed and agreed to get his stats within a strict system, so teammates could thrive and have something to run if he was ever out.. MJ's game allowed the system and 6/6.. nothing else

Ultimately, lebron's weaker championship record didn't reflect lack of personal or supporting talent, but an approach to the game that didn't yield the best offenses, brand of ball, and teams of his era.. this causes all the underdog talk, and subsequent attempts to change the goat criteria away from winning, into losing but "carrying" a team

[Da_Realist]

Pat Riley was a color commentator and assistant coach before coaching Magic and Kareem.

Phil Jackson was a CBA coach and assistant coach before coaching Michael Jordan.

Greg Popovich was an assistant coach before coaching Tim Duncan.

None of those guys were legends when they took over but they were given a shot to succeed. And the stars listened and cooperated. The result? They are responsible for over 20 titles between the three of them.

[guy]

Lebron seems to really only most likely respect Popavich as a coach. Doc Rivers would probably be another coach he'd play for.

He wants to be the project manager/architect which is why he's the best floor raiser in the NBA.

So many of you hate the man emotionally which to me is more alarming than trolling.

He plays basketball like a CEO while Jordan and Kobe played ball like the top salesmen.

It

[riseagainst]

Who??

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[PP34Deuce]

[QUOTE=guy]It

[Real14]

He had Stern and Silver.

[eliteballer]

LeBron had Steroids, Super Teams, and a Crappy Conference.

[Manny98]

LeBron had the great Tyron Lue and Erik Spoelstra who has still yet to win a single playoff series without LeBron

[Da_Realist]

If you're a super star player, certain coaches can get the best out of you. Lebron isn't rocking the boat with Popavich. Popavich is essentially Pat Riley of Miami but he still does head coaching.

If you have a substitute teacher (Lue) or egg head (Stevens), I think his personality clashes if there's no respect, fear, toward a coach.

Again, he plays basketball like a CEO while Jordan and Kobe played like top salespeople.

No Lebron plays like a diva who must have everything his way.

[Real14]

LeBron had the great Tyron Lue and Erik Spoelstra who has still yet to win a single playoff series without LeBron
But Commissioners Stern and Silver gifted him asterisk rings.

[Duncan21formvp]

He had Larry Brown and won bronze medal.

[90sgoat]

He had Stern and Silver.

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[Real14]

He had Larry Brown and won bronze medal.
That's a damn shame:lol

[riseagainst]

He had no one, which is why he is the GOAT.

[DidUSaySomethin]

Shaq without Kobe: 1/2 in the Finals, 0 FMVPs, 0 MVPs, one role player ring thanks to D-Whistle.

Kobe without Shaq: 2/3 in the Finals, 2 FMVPs, 1 MVP, carried a bunch of average players to 3 straight Finals in the stacked Western Conference :lol


kobe w/o phil: 0 rings, 0 finals appearance and 0 mvps, 4 losing seasons

[guy]

If you're a super star player, certain coaches can get the best out of you. Lebron isn't rocking the boat with Popavich. Popavich is essentially Pat Riley of Miami but he still does head coaching.

If you have a substitute teacher (Lue) or egg head (Stevens), I think his personality clashes if there's no respect, fear, toward a coach.

Again, he plays basketball like a CEO while Jordan and Kobe played like top salespeople.

So you think Lebron would

[ImKobe]

kobe w/o phil: 0 rings, 0 finals appearance and 0 mvps, 4 losing seasons

At least do your research first. Phil wasn't the Lakers' coach until '99 :facepalm