Trump addresses the nation in 45 minutes... 9 pm EST 1-18-19... livestream inside

[Ben Simmons 25]

Get ready for the shit show from both sides!

Weeeeeeeee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7eA1K4j8GU

I think Ben Shaprio had the most rational take on this. Trump should NOT be allowed to reallocate funding from the defense/pentagon budget by calling this a national emergency because that opens up a shitload of problems in the future for presidents declaring different things national emergencies and just doing whatever the **** they want in terms of budgeting.

And I might add, that's not to say we don't spend too much on defense, we do, but that doesn't mean you just get to do whatever you want.

[SomeBlackDude]

yesterday:

[QUOTE]Jeff Mason
‏@jeffmason1

.@VP Pence tells reporters White House Counsel

[Facepalm]

Let's see how many lies he can vomit out tonight

[Ben Simmons 25]

I really don't have any objection to anything he said. He probably stretched the truth in a few spots, but lol, 99% of politicians do that...

I'm not exactly sure as to what the point of the address was if he wasn't announcing that he was declaring a state of emergency to get it done...

All he did is just re-cap the same arguments he's been making for multiple years...

It seemed like literally nothing but a PR move. That's it. Woopee-dee-doo!

[Ben Simmons 25]

And here's Pelosi and Schumer doing the exact same thing... re-stating their positions, dumping on Trump even moreso than Trump did on congress... stretching the truth to fit their views...

This is all just a bunch of PR garbage.

[SomeBlackDude]

I'm not exactly sure as to what the point of the address was if he wasn't announcing that he was declaring a state of emergency to get it done...



i think that was his original intention when he requested air time, but then the white house counsel today was like

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-09-2018/7uTQtn.gif

and he had to stall for time.

shoulda just pushed the steaks. missed opportunity. :ohwell:

[tpols]

did schumer say we would welcome illegal immigrants?

:coleman:

[Ben Simmons 25]

did schumer say we would welcome illegal immigrants?

:coleman:

No, he said legal immigrants which is nothing different from what Trump said, but he suggested that building the wall would lead to security and safety issues... :oldlol:

Both of these addresses are just a giant circlejerk of nothing.

[Facepalm]

And here's Pelosi and Schumer doing the exact same thing... re-stating their positions, dumping on Trump even moreso than Trump did on congress... stretching the truth to fit their views...

This is all just a bunch of PR garbage.

**** Washington DC politicians. **********s.

They're all useless and the US needs a ****ing blood on the streets revolution.
Yeah, both sides just said the same things. No progress at all

[NumberSix]

Would have been better for Dems to just do nothing and let the media people do the Dem rebuttal.

[TheMan]

Trump should've just said that the Trump wall is almost finished and the 5 bil is to finish it, his mouthbreathing base would believe him.

[Patrick Chewing]

I'm glad he mentioned how strong on border security the Dems were up until he was elected. Call those hypocrites out, Mr. President.

[NumberSix]

I'm glad he mentioned how strong on border security the Dems were up until he was elected. Call those hypocrites out, Mr. President.
To be fair, the Dems were completely lying when they pretended to be in favor of border security.

[kennethgriffen]

democrats are about one thing and one thing only


and thats seeing the united states fail while trump is president



if trump really wants a wall he should say he's against building one.

[Facepalm]

https://i.groupme.com/1125x2436.jpeg.1600665c128a41e3a4337a9ccf4c8e3b.la rge

[Patrick Chewing]

To be fair, the Dems were completely lying when they pretended to be in favor of border security.


It's all about votes.

[bladefd]

What a waste of time. Whole lot of nothing..

Obviously Trump's lawyers and advisors told him that declaring emergency for the wall will get stopped by the courts. They told him he will not be able to do it. I suspect Schumer and Pelosi had original script to refute emergency declaration. When lil Donny scrubbed it, they scrubbed that piece of their response too. Now we end up with a whole lot of nothing. :rolleyes:

There will be no wall. Trump is stuck now. He can't say he is backing down to his base, and he can't say he is going through with it by declaration of emergency. He is trying to stall hoping to be saved somehow. McConnell is also in a hole, but he will have to save Trump.

[Lakers Legend#32]

If everyone took a shot for each lie Trump told tonight, we would all be dead.

[MrFonzworth]

If everyone took a shot for each lie Trump told tonight, we would all be dead.
I wouldnt because im not a *****

[LostCause]

Just nonsense, it's embarrassing what the state of our government is

The Wall was never going to be built. You'd have to be a moron to believe Trump has actually been trying to go through with it, or that Republicans even want it. They easily could've pushed the funding for it before Dems took control of the house, in their own words it's a small amount. Yet did nothing until they lost control and now they're pretending to be obstructed

It's all just posturing. It's also just a distraction.

[ItsMillerTime]

What in the fvck was the purpose of this? He's been saying much of the same for months now, why did we need a Presidential address so he could repeat his narrative and falsehoods? So he could reach a much larger audience?? I just don't get it. This is embarrassing.

[Patrick Chewing]

What in the fvck was the purpose of this? He's been saying much of the same for months now, why did we need a Presidential address so he could repeat his narrative and falsehoods? So he could reach a much larger audience?? I just don't get it. This is embarrassing.


What falsehoods?


And this address was to put pressure on the Dems. Nothing more, nothing less.

[rufuspaul]

Trump should've just said that the Trump wall is almost finished and the 5 bil is to finish it, his mouthbreathing base would believe him.


I said the same thing in another thread. He should just say the wall is built, it's the best wall ever, and Mexico paid for it.

[oh the horror]

What in the fvck was the purpose of this? He's been saying much of the same for months now, why did we need a Presidential address so he could repeat his narrative and falsehoods? So he could reach a much larger audience?? I just don't get it. This is embarrassing.




Because his dumbass base of supporters believe in this nonsense. Look at the idiots on this board.

[rufuspaul]

Because his dumbass base of supporters believe in this nonsense. Look at the idiots on this board.

The truth of the matter is we already have several hundred miles of barriers along the border that the Dems voted for. Both Obama and Hillary were all for increasing the length of barriers as were most Dems in congress, that is until Donny became POTUS. Now they are against anything that he is for.

That being said I don't know why Trump doesn't agree to funding portions of the gov. while wall negations go on.

[TheMan]

I said the same thing in another thread. He should just say the wall is built, it's the best wall ever, and Mexico paid for it.
:cheers:

Yeah I bet a lot of his supporters would believe him too :lol

[NumberSix]

Dems say that walls don’t work. They also say that wheels don’t work. Knives don’t work. Fire doesn’t work. Air doesn’t work.

[Rocket]

Trump exposing Democrat hypocrisy. Both sides can be hypocritical at times but the left takes it to a whole new extreme level.

[ItsMillerTime]

The truth of the matter is we already have several hundred miles of barriers along the border that the Dems voted for. Both Obama and Hillary were all for increasing the length of barriers as were most Dems in congress, that is until Donny became POTUS. Now they are against anything that he is for.

That being said I don't know why Trump doesn't agree to funding portions of the gov. while wall negations go on.

Gotta appease that base for re-election hopes, hombre. His base doesn't give a flying fvck the government has shut down because of this, we have to keep out those dirty illegal rapists at all costs!!!

[Patrick Chewing]

Gotta appease that base for re-election hopes, hombre. His base doesn't give a flying fvck the government has shut down because of this, we have to keep out those dirty illegal rapists at all costs!!!


You seem like such a wise person with a wealth of knowledge. What do you do for a living??

[NumberSix]

Gotta appease that base for re-election hopes, hombre.
It

[ScalsFan21]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]It

[NumberSix]

But 70% of the American people want Medicare for All, and even when it's inaccurately billed as the "socialized medicine", it still has higher approvals than disapprovals (despite simplistic claims that raising taxes will scare enough of them off). As of a year ago, it held majority support in 42 states. And we still don't have it.
The polls can say whatever they want. That’s not how people vote. If 70% of people actually voted for candidates who ran on a platform of ‘Medicare for all’, I promise it would pass. But people largely didn’t vote for such candidates.

Real votes > imaginary votes.


Sure, maybe conservative elected representatives do a pretty decent job delivering on some of their campaign promises and voter mandates, but Democrats largely drag their feet.
They really don’t though. The problem is, the “progressive” wing of the Democrats have trouble understanding that they’re not the majority. Of the hundreds of Dems who ran for office, only like 10% of them ran on an agenda of things like ‘Medicare for all’ and multi-trillion dollar green initiatives. Most Democrats didn’t run on these things.

[MaxFly]

Just nonsense, it's embarrassing what the state of our government is

The Wall was never going to be built. You'd have to be a moron to believe Trump has actually been trying to go through with it, or that Republicans even want it. They easily could've pushed the funding for it before Dems took control of the house, in their own words it's a small amount. Yet did nothing until they lost control and now they're pretending to be obstructed

It's all just posturing. It's also just a distraction.

Pretty much spot on.

[andgar923]

The stupid **** just said the following:

[Vragrant]

Pelosi said negotiating with Trump is like getting sprayed by a skunk. Sounds about right.

[bladefd]

Pelosi said negotiating with Trump is like getting sprayed by a skunk. Sounds about right.

He is a child who puts on temper tantrums when he doesn't get everything he wants. He is spoiled from his earlier days when he got everything he wanted.

[senelcoolidge]

Pelosi and Schumer looked shook AF. That was a sorry performance on their part. Democrats winning the house will be a blessing in disguise for Trump in 2020.

[Patrick Chewing]

https://c1.legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Trump-Border-Wall-Address-Schumer-Pelosi-620x368.jpg


https://i.gifer.com/1o8j.gif

[SomeBlackDude]

this dude...


Donald J. Trump
‏@realDonaldTrump

"Know when to walk away from the table." The Art of the Deal

11:25 AM - 27 Jul 2011


The New York Times
‏@nytimes

Breaking News: President Trump walked out of a meeting with Democratic leaders on ending the shutdown. In a tweet, he called it "a total waste of time."

...he actually used a tactic from a joke book that was ghostwritten for him.

this is the goat era. :bowdown:

[andgar923]

I give up

https://twitter.com/_alexhirsch/status/1083140191362048000?s=21

:eek:

[SomeBlackDude]

I give up

https://twitter.com/_alexhirsch/status/1083140191362048000?s=21

:eek:

fake news witch hunts never change.

#buildthewall

[Terahite]

https://i.groupme.com/1125x2436.jpeg.1600665c128a41e3a4337a9ccf4c8e3b.la rge

Nice soccer mom humor, stupid.

[Facepalm]

Nice soccer mom humor, stupid.


https://media1.tenor.com/images/0ea3b27f9c436ee7a0c0550c3705ca6d/tenor.gif

[Lakers Legend#32]

Watched it for 30 seconds but it was boring so I turned on something more exciting--The 700 Club.

[Hawker]

You would think that.

But 70% of the American people want Medicare for All, and even when it's inaccurately billed as the "socialized medicine", it still has higher approvals than disapprovals (despite simplistic claims that raising taxes will scare enough of them off). As of a year ago, it held majority support in 42 states. And we still don't have it.

Sure, maybe conservative elected representatives do a pretty decent job delivering on some of their campaign promises and voter mandates, but Democrats largely drag their feet. All these politicians are very willing to serve their base when it comes to the social issues, but anything that is opposed by big money donors will be off the table, no matter what the voters want.

Still, I'm glad you value the "democratic" part of the democratic republic. Even if functionally, we do live in an oligarchy.

How come it hasn't worked in California and Vermont? Seriously - before you do it on a national level, let's discuss why it won't work in California and Vermont. California has higher populations than Australia and New Zealand so the excuse it needs to be nationwide doesn't hold weight.

Colorado rejected it at 79 percent two years ago.

[ScalsFan21]

How come it hasn't worked in California and Vermont? Seriously - before you do it on a national level, let's discuss why it won't work in California and Vermont. California has higher populations than Australia and New Zealand so the excuse it needs to be nationwide doesn't hold weight.

Colorado rejected it at 79 percent two years ago.

It's a fair question imo. Not to sound like a broken record, but predominantly it's an issue of financial opposition from politicians' true constituents: the donors. Most of those specific proposals were considered longshots to begin with, particularly Amd. 69 in Colorado, which was deeply flawed and I presume bludgeoned by cash. Plus they got a ton of opposition on the left and the right, including from Planned Parenthood etc. Sometimes that combo can drown out a generally-held sentiment that healthcare should probably be a right, which, it's worth noting, was far less prevalent then vs. now, especially in the case of Vermont's debate.

Also I'm pretty sure most states are legally required to balance their budgets, though VT is apparently the exception. Supposedly they would have imposed a 160% tax increase, but I really haven't researched each of these cases top to bottom.

That said, those who suggest that somehow there's "nothing stopping individual states from doing it themselves" (as #6 has said, almost verbatim) is overlooking how cheap/easy it is to purchase state legislatures. I do think it's fair to say those are some reasons why it would be much easier to implement this sort of thing at the federal level, for reasons that go beyond population size etc.

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=andgar923]

[SomeBlackDude]

estimated price tag for the steel slat barrier™, all costs considered: upwards of $75 billion
cost for a steel tooth saw at home depot: $12.88


Test of steel prototype for border wall showed it could be sawed through

A photo shows that the steel columns were breached with a common industrial tool.

https://i.postimg.cc/rpky7HTQ/190110-border-wall-steel-prototype-nbc-news-exclusive-a94294e20f.jpg

President Donald Trump has repeatedly advocated for a steel slat design for his border wall, which he described as "absolutely critical to border security" in his Oval Office address to the nation Tuesday. But Department of Homeland Security testing of a steel slat prototype proved it could be cut through with a saw, according to a report by DHS.

A photo exclusively obtained by NBC News shows the results of the test after military and Border Patrol personnel were instructed to attempt to destroy the barriers with common tools.

The Trump administration directed the construction of eight steel and concrete prototype walls that were built in Otay Mesa, California, just across the border from Tijuana, Mexico. Trump inspected the prototypes in March 2018. He has now settled on a steel slat, or steel bollard, design for the proposed border barrier additions. Steel bollard fencing has been used under previous administrations.

However, testing by DHS in late 2017 showed all eight prototypes, including the steel slats, were vulnerable to breaching, according to an internal February 2018 U.S. Customs and Border Protection report.

-lyin' nbc 'news'

:facepalm

[bladefd]

estimated price tag for the steel slat barrier™, all costs considered: upwards of $75 billion
cost for a steel tooth saw at home depot: $12.88


:facepalm

That's the moron President of the US, folks. Complete moron of a guy in power who enjoys talking out of his ass, and he has swindled 25% of America :roll: :roll:

Uneducated, ignorant, narcissistic buffoon of a moron.

[bladefd]

Remember folks, Mexico will pay for this beautiful great impenetrable wonderful wall :roll: :roll: :roll:

[TheMan]

Remember folks, Mexico will pay for this beautiful great impenetrable wonderful wall :roll: :roll: :roll:
Mexico be like, oye Donaldo, check is in the mail, carnal...






























Not!!!

https://media1.tenor.com/images/a447233d8b4f2c2df2691fed324806a2/tenor.gif?itemid=11222089
https://media.tenor.co/images/869b46c83112d537abb3e08166052a47/raw

[SomeBlackDude]

Remember folks, Mexico will pay for this beautiful great impenetrable wonderful wall :roll: :roll: :roll:

:no:

you are fake news. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yeo6l73M4Qw)

tremendous.

[bladefd]

:no:

you are fake news. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yeo6l73M4Qw)

tremendous.

Lil Donny is now "a professional at technology." :facepalm

What a moron. M-O-R-O-N.


edit:
29 lies and/or crazy points from the 3 minute statement this morning by the great lil Donny:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/10/politics/trump-lawn-press-conference/index.html

-lyin' crazy fraudulent Democrat cheating fakenews champion CNN losers

:coleman:

[andgar923]

So that piece of sh*t is gonna divert disaster funds for the wall.

Which means CA, Puerto Rico, Miami and Texas disaster victims may end up paying for it.

[Facepalm]

So that piece of sh*t is gonna divert disaster funds for the wall.

Which means CA, Puerto Rico, Miami and Texas disaster victims may end up paying for it.
Would be hilarious if he does this and TX and FL turn on him in 2020

[r15mohd]

Would be hilarious if he does this and TX and FL turn on him in 2020


that swing is already underway...if not 2020, definitely by 2024 IMO

Houston electoral is blue now which is a YUUGGEE concern for the right, then there's all the Beto supporters aligning in the smaller areas of TX too.

FL is borderline, however the many incoming residents year year are turning the state more blue as it goes, and pretty sure the allowance of almost 1mil former felons being allowed to vote now is not going to help the right.

we shall see, but those two are definitely trending blue

[NumberSix]

that swing is already underway...if not 2020, definitely by 2024 IMO

Houston electoral is blue now which is a YUUGGEE concern for the right, then there's all the Beto supporters aligning in the smaller areas of TX too.

FL is borderline, however the many incoming residents year year are turning the state more blue as it goes, and pretty sure the allowance of almost 1mil former felons being allowed to vote now is not going to help the right.

we shall see, but those two are definitely trending blue
lol. It

[r15mohd]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]lol. It

[oh the horror]

[QUOTE=SomeBlackDude]estimated price tag for [B]the steel slat barrier

[Patrick Chewing]

look at you getting all giddy over that :rolleyes: it's no secret that many of those who served there time are many petty scenarios - for instance marijuana charges, which on it's way to be overturned itself. not to mention those who've committed serious crimes are not allowed to vote per the measure passed.

context was never your strong suit...it's blatant in many of your responses in the OT threads. :hammerhead:


And I don't see how them being allowed to vote now helps Democrats. I'm a Republican and I voted in favor of this.

[SomeBlackDude]

Trump should've just said that the Trump wall is almost finished and the 5 bil is to finish it, his mouthbreathing base would believe him.


I said the same thing in another thread. He should just say the wall is built, it's the best wall ever, and Mexico paid for it.


Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

The Fake News Media keeps saying we haven’t built any NEW WALL. Below is a section just completed on the Border. Anti-climbing feature included. Very high, strong and beautiful! Also, many miles already renovated and in service!

https://i.postimg.cc/kXjNw4rQ/Dwpe-q-WXc-Ac2-WKt.jpg

$20 million raised in GoFundMe for Trump border wall to be refunded (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/424976-20-million-raised-in-gofundme-for-trump-border-wall-will-be-refunded)

don't ever take this time we're living in for granted, boys. every single day lived in this era is a gift. appreciate it. :bowdown:

[TheMan]

^^^ LMAO :roll:

Dude IS going that route...unbelievable :oldlol:

[bladefd]

$20 million raised in GoFundMe for Trump border wall to be refunded (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/424976-20-million-raised-in-gofundme-for-trump-border-wall-will-be-refunded)

don't ever take this time we're living in for granted, boys. every single day lived in this era is a gift. appreciate it. :bowdown:

So, President lil Donny, if that section is already built, does this mean you no longer need the funding? Let's open the government then, lil Donny.

[SomeBlackDude]

^^^ LMAO :roll:

Dude IS going that route...unbelievable :oldlol:

fresh out of options. tried the 'art of the deal' and chuck and nancy laughed him out of the room. tried to declare a national emergency and his counsel/advisors were like 'stop it'. then today there was talk of using emergency funds earmarked for disaster relief for fl, tx, ca, pr and gop senators were like 'nah' (https://www.axios.com/cornyn-opposes-redirecting-harvey-disaster-funds-for-border-wall-dbf3f4ee-18a8-4689-b1b9-2d9f70b1eb2b.html).

there is no way out.

he is backed into a corner with absolutely no way out.

just has to say 'we built the wall already, believe me folks. mexico already cut the check.' and move on to a new distraction.

there are litrally no other options. :(

[bladefd]

fresh out of options. tried the 'art of the deal' and chuck and nancy laughed him out of the room. tried to declare a national emergency and his counsel/advisors were like 'stop it'. then today there was talk of using emergency funds earmarked for disaster relief for fl, tx, ca, pr and gop senators were like 'nah' (https://www.axios.com/cornyn-opposes-redirecting-harvey-disaster-funds-for-border-wall-dbf3f4ee-18a8-4689-b1b9-2d9f70b1eb2b.html).

there is no way out.

he is backed into a corner with absolutely no way out.

just has to say 'we built the wall already, believe me folks. mexico already cut the check.' and move on to a new distraction.

there are litrally no other options. :(

Lil Donny is essentially like one of those moron reddit trolls, who sits around all day yelling conspiracy nonsense into the wind, except for the fact the moron actually has power. The moron also has foolish followers like Patty Chewing sucking up everything he spouts, no matter how ridiculous it might be.

[diamenz]

fresh out of options. tried the 'art of the deal' and chuck and nancy laughed him out of the room. tried to declare a national emergency and his counsel/advisors were like 'stop it'. then today there was talk of using emergency funds earmarked for disaster relief for fl, tx, ca, pr and gop senators were like 'nah' (https://www.axios.com/cornyn-opposes-redirecting-harvey-disaster-funds-for-border-wall-dbf3f4ee-18a8-4689-b1b9-2d9f70b1eb2b.html).

there is no way out.

he is backed into a corner with absolutely no way out.

just has to say 'we built the wall already, believe me folks. mexico already cut the check.' and move on to a new distraction.

there are litrally no other options. :(

what he'll do if worst comes to worse is just go ahead and declare the emergency and let the courts deny him. that way he can tell his base he did everything he could to get it done and 'i'll keep trying if u reelect me'.

then, HE will reopen the gov and brag about how he 'saved the day' and the dems f***ed you out of your pay. he'll end up winning this one way or another.

then the media will talk about something else come tomorrow, and life goes on for americans. u know how it goes.

[MaxFly]

Which means CA, Puerto Rico, Miami and Texas disaster victims may end up paying for it.

If this is implemened, I suspect Cali and Puerto Rican disaster victims would get the brunt. I think Floridia and Texas residents will be just fine.

[SomeBlackDude]

[QUOTE][B][U]Shutdown

[Kblaze8855]

I saw some republicans make a good point about why you dont fabricate emergencies to use the presidential emergency powers. They dont wanna set a precedent and have the next democrat decide climate change is an emergency and start bypassing congress.

I see the issue there. You have to think big picture.

The court cases relating to this are interesting.

Truman was blocked by the supreme court when he tried to seize steel mills to break a strike by using federal workers to keep supplying the army with steel during the Korean war. His argument was...its an emergency if the army cant operate....but the supreme court said nothing in the Constitution authorized the president to seize property in wartime without approval from congress. If the supreme court says you cant just declare an emergency and take peoples property what do you think all those land owners on the border will do when Trump comes for their land with imminent domain in a time of peace with a manufactured emergency?


This is Justice Jacksons take:


[QUOTE]In it, he suggested three tiers of presidential power: with authority from Congress, when Congress is silent, and in defiance of Congress. He concluded that President Truman

[nathanjizzle]

I saw some republicans make a good point about why you dont fabricate emergencies to use the presidential emergency powers. They dont wanna set a precedent and have the next democrat decide climate change is an emergency and start bypassing congress.

I see the issue there. You have to think big picture.

The court cases relating to this are interesting.

Truman was blocked by the supreme court when he tried to seize steel mills to break a strike by using federal workers to keep supplying the army with steel during the Korean war. His argument was...its an emergency if the army cant operate....but the supreme court said nothing in the Constitution authorized the president to seize property in wartime without approval from congress. If the supreme court says you cant just declare an emergency and take peoples property what do you think all those land owners on the border will do when Trump comes for their land with imminent domain in a time of peace with a manufactured emergency?


This is Justice Jacksons take:




Think thats gonna be mentioned in the coming months?

The court fight is gonna last for some time.

Its a hard fight to win. Lincoln was overruled on his use of emergency powers but he just refused to do what they said. I imagine these days there would be more consequences. He had his party with a massive advantage in congress so he couldnt be impeached. There were only 40 total democrat members of congress with the south having left....so he could really do whatever he wanted.

Trump would be out on his ass in a second....though he would never attempt to fight the supreme courts order these days.

On the other hand....the supreme court let FDR imprison all those Japanese americans with his emergency powers.....but Pearl Harbor and WW2 was a better case for an emergency.

I dont see them letting him do anything. Id like to see him try just to better define what is and isnt allowed.

This is how its supposed to work though. Checks and balances. You arent supposed to lose congress then still set the budget....and if you try to bypass congress the judicial branch is there to stop you.

Much as Trump supporters claim to love America they dont seem to love the checks and balances that make America what it is.

Out here mad at democrats. They need to be mad at James Madison. These people around here love the constitution till they get mad a judge overruled the president and have it explained that it was designed to work that way. On the other hand....the president and congress appoint the higher courts....and impeach judges if needed.

None of the 3 can function without the others. Being president doesnt mean shit if the other two branches disagree. Which is exactly how its supposed to be. I saw Trump talking about elections have consequences. Hes right.

The midterms gave people a chance to vote on if he gets his way with congress. Apparently the people decided he doesnt.

This is how America was designed.

trump is a crook, hes going to operate crookedly. using a shutdown to get his way already sets a precedent that any president whom wishes to get his or her way can use a shutdown as a vise. and then to use the power to declare national emergency to get his way is another level of crookedness. This is obvious and im not sure why trumptards support this type of behavior by a president and admin.

[bladefd]

I will just post this here..


As the Trump administration demands funding for a border wall to stop illegal immigration, a new study finds that for the seventh consecutive year, visa overstays far exceeded unauthorized border crossings.

The report released Wednesday by the Center for Migration Studies of New York finds that from 2016-2017, people who overstayed their visas accounted for 62 percent of the newly undocumented, while 38 percent had crossed a border illegally.

The study also finds that the undocumented population from Mexico fell by almost 400,000 people in 2017 and that since 2010, the number of undocumented from that country fell by 1.3 million.

"We have made tremendous progress since the year 2000 in reducing undocumented immigration into this country," the study's author, CMS senior fellow Robert Warren, told NPR.

Warren was the director of statistics at the Immigration and Naturalization Service from 1986 to 1995. He said that both the Bush and Obama administrations had roughly doubled the size of the Border Patrol and that the country has seen results.
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecutive-year-visa-overstays-exceeded-illegal-border-crossings

[bladefd]

Ross told CNBC he is puzzled by reports of federal workers turning to food banks and other forms of relief, suggesting they should be able to obtain bridge loans to tide them over until the government reopens.

"True, the people might have to pay a little bit of interest," said Ross. "But the idea that it's 'paycheck or zero' is not a really valid idea."
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/24/688189978/commerce-secretary-wilbur-ross-downplayed-shutdown-hardships-dems-raged

Trump and his cabinet members are out of reach with the average American. Something like 40% of America lives paycheck to paycheck, and more than half the country has no money in bank for an emergency. Telling them to take a loan to feed themselves and pay their bills is irresponsible..