Losing and Getting swept in the finals is much worse than doing it in the first round

[Bronbron23]

Losing in the first round as an 8th seed or even getting swept is somewhat excusable given the fact it's usually a great team vs a mediocre one. Losing and especially Getting swept in the finals is much worse because it's almost always 2 teams that are close in talent. Losing when you could or should win is much worse than losing when should lose.
I like both mj and Bron but the difference between them is that mj is a better winner. He always won when he should or could have and LeBron didn't.

[Hey Yo]

dumb ^^^

Losing in the 1st round means you had no chance to win a title, compared to the team who's playing in the Finals with a chance to win the title.

Giving yourself a chance >>>>>>>>>> no chance at all

[k0kakw0rld]

Losing in the first round as an 8th seed or even getting swept is somewhat excusable given the fact it's usually a great team vs a mediocre one. Losing and especially Getting swept in the finals is much worse because it's almost always 2 teams that are close in talent. Losing when you could or should win is much worse than losing when should lose.
I like both mj and Bron but the difference between them is that mj is a better winner. He always won when he should or could have and LeBron didn't.
They did not carry the same load, on their way to the final, idiot. Losing in the first round is much worse because there's no fatigue excuses. Everybody starts fresh so yeah getting swept in the first round is worse than getting swept in the final.

[scuzzy]

TLDR: 15th place > 2nd place

[3ball]

dumb ^^^

Losing in the 1st round means you had no chance to win a title, compared to the team who's playing in the Finals with a chance to win the title.

Giving yourself a chance >>>>>>>>>> no chance at all
mj did that better by MAKING the playoffs and 8 seeds, versus lebron missing them twice with 9 seeds

And of course achieving dominant favorites versus lebron's perennial underdog teams

[G0ATbe]

0/10 thread.

[SouBeachTalents]

Yeah, cause the teams in the '07, '15 & '18 Finals were close in talent :lol

[superduper]

10/10 thread

[scuzzy]

mj did that better by MAKING the playoffs and 8 seeds, versus lebron missing them twice with 9 seeds

And of course achieving dominant favorites versus lebron's perennial underdog teams
Making the playoffs as a 38 win and 30 win team :lol weak era


17 wins to 35 wins with rookie Lebron


27 wins to 38 wins with rookie Jordan


Dat 11 game impac lol


Chicago would have have made the playoffs that year despite drafting MJ or not Otis Thorpe, heck they did it the year after when he only played 17 games

[Hey Yo]

mj did that better by MAKING the playoffs and 8 seeds, versus lebron missing them twice with 9 seeds

And of course achieving dominant favorites versus lebron's perennial underdog teams
I don't care what players are being used as examples.....you can't play for a title after getting beat in the first round. That's what the stupid thread is about.

[TheCorporation]

Is this a response thread? I've already detailed who the league's best, most prolific 1st round exiting master is. No need for this. But I'll squash your putrid attempt quickly. It is far better to give yourself a chance to win than to lose in the 1st round like a bum.

Jordan truly is a 1st round exiting legend.

I wonder what changed though? Suddenly Jordan went from 3x 1st round exits and a 1-9 playoff record to suddenly winning rings. Does anyone know what changed?

[superduper]

Is this a response thread? I've already detailed who the league's best, most prolific 1st round exiting master is. No need for this. But I'll squash your putrid attempt quickly. It is far better to give yourself a chance to win than to lose in the 1st round like a bum.

Jordan truly is a 1st round exiting legend.

I wonder what changed though? Suddenly Jordan went from 3x 1st round exits and a 1-9 playoff record to suddenly winning rings. Does anyone know what changed?

He obtained one teammate that could play defense.

#stacked!!

[Marchesk]

101.0101/10

[Rudeboy3]

5 star thread op :applause:

[knicksman]

the reason why mj was a winner coz he developed the skills that matters the most thats why hes clutch while lebron is only concerned with triple doubles. Lebron is efficient but mj is the effective one. MJ is 6/6 while lebron needed superteams to get 3/9

[TheCorporation]

the reason why mj was a winner coz he developed the skills that matters the most thats why hes clutch while lebron is only concerned with triple doubles. Lebron is efficient but mj is the effective one. MJ is 6/6 while lebron needed superteams to get 3/9

Except that LeBron has more post season game winners than Michael Jordan.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/54aac868e4b00f7c5fbf0a24/t/555232bfe4b02fc9d3e674cc/1431450316425/

So there's that.

[superduper]

Except that LeBron has more post season game winners than Michael Jordan.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/54aac868e4b00f7c5fbf0a24/t/555232bfe4b02fc9d3e674cc/1431450316425/

So there's that.

Nice cherry picked stat. Clutch is A LOT larger than the last 5s of a game.

[TheCorporation]

Nice cherry picked stat. Clutch is A LOT larger than the last 5s of a game.

Yeah, I bet once it doesn't seem to fit your particular and tired agenda it doesn't "count" anymore. Is that how this works with you?

[Gus Hemmingway]

Except that LeBron has more post season game winners than Michael Jordan.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/54aac868e4b00f7c5fbf0a24/t/555232bfe4b02fc9d3e674cc/1431450316425/

So there's that.
https://media.giphy.com/media/X6RZLEq55XNOgKvF4F/giphy.gif

[3ball]

Yeah, I bet once it doesn't seem to fit your particular and tired agenda it doesn't "count" anymore. Is that how this works with you?
Wow, ur still posting stats where lebron played way more games?

Shows you who the goat is

MJ has more of those shots thru 179 games

[Hey Yo]

Wow, ur still posting stats where lebron played way more games?

Shows you who the goat is

MJ has more of those shots thru 179 games
Not LeBrons fault that MJ quit the league in his prime for almost 2yrs

[3ball]

Not LeBrons fault that MJ quit the league in his prime for almost 2yrs
By having more game-winners/clutch shots in less games, it means MJ had a higher frequency of game winners, and therefore dominated more

Lebron had a lower frequency but played more games.. so he played longer, but dominated less/lower frequency

[TheCorporation]

Wow, ur still posting stats where lebron played way more games?

Shows you who the goat is

MJ has more of those shots thru 179 games

MJ: 11 FGA (5 made) 5/11 = 45%
LeBron: 10 FGA (6 made) = 6/10 = 60%

Are you going to argue that 10 is more than 11 now? :lol

LeBron could never make another game winner for the rest of his life. He could miss the next 20. And STILL have more than Jordan.

[TheCorporation]

https://media.giphy.com/media/X6RZLEq55XNOgKvF4F/giphy.gif

Always winning my friend :rockon:

We are the elite :banana:

[knicksman]

Except that LeBron has more post season game winners than Michael Jordan.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/54aac868e4b00f7c5fbf0a24/t/555232bfe4b02fc9d3e674cc/1431450316425/

So there's that.

lots of those happened last 2 seasons where there are blatant refs manipulation. Its obvious that they were trying to make lebron clutch by making the games close. Coz thats his biggest issue. But no matter how they manipulate, they cant manipulate last 5 mins or 2 mins when the game is close

[Bronbron23]

dumb ^^^

Losing in the 1st round means you had no chance to win a title, compared to the team who's playing in the Finals with a chance to win the title.

Giving yourself a chance >>>>>>>>>> no chance at all
Na your missing the point. Of course it's better to make the finals. I'm not saying it's better to lose in the first round than make the finals in general. I'm referring to 8th seed teams specificly who usually arnt very good teams and are 8th seed for a reason. They aren't good enough to beat really good 1st seed teams.
It's basically an unfair fight so there's no shame in losing. With finals matchups though it's usually a fair fight or fairly close so there's more shame In losing because they had a chance to win. LeBron's 2011, 2014 heat and 2016 cavs were good teams that were good enough to win the finals. They lost against teams they had a chance to beat. It's much worse than Mj's early bulls who werent very good losing to a goat team in the 1st round because it wasn't close to a fair fight

[bison]

Gee I sure hope my team gets swept in the first round. Would sure hate to go all the way to the finals!

God this forum is retarded.

[E_Stamkos]

Always winning my friend :rockon:

We are the elite :banana:

At being celibate, but not by choice.

[raprap]

Op is a beta

[Wally450]

lots of those happened last 2 seasons where there are blatant refs manipulation. Its obvious that they were trying to make lebron clutch by making the games close. Coz thats his biggest issue. But no matter how they manipulate, they cant manipulate last 5 mins or 2 mins when the game is close

My god you're pathetic.

[StrongLurk]

I get what OP is trying to say, he just isn't doing a good job a saying it.

[imdaman99]

It's a weird thing to say but I won't argue with you. Getting swept in the Finals, it's a black mark in Sports. When you get to the championship moment, there are way more eyes on you and for entertainment value, you let everyone down when you didn't contend at that stage.

[bullettooth]

The way LeBron has lost in the finals is what's also deeply embarrassing;

2007 - Swept
2011 - Heavy favourite via collusion, lost by putting 18pts/g and 8pts in one
2014 - Largest Margin of Finals Victory
2017 - Another Largest Margin of Finals Victory
2018 - Swept

How do you excuse that?

[Bronbron23]

Op is a beta
Says the guy with the rainbow colored dancing monkey as his alt:oldlol:

[Bronbron23]

The way LeBron has lost in the finals is what's also deeply embarrassing;

2007 - Swept
2011 - Heavy favourite via collusion, lost by putting 18pts/g and 8pts in one
2014 - Largest Margin of Finals Victory
2017 - Another Largest Margin of Finals Victory
2018 - Swept

How do you excuse that?
I actually think the first and last should be excused because his teams weren't very good. I never thought he had a chance to win either so when he lost I didn't hold it against him. In 11,14 and 17 I though he had very good teams and I thought he had a chance to win so I do hold those ones against him a bit.

[Bronbron23]

Yeah, cause the teams in the '07, '15 & '18 Finals were close in talent :lol
No they weren't close in talent Bron should get a pass for those. They were close in talent in 11, 14 and 17 though. He lost 3 finals on very good teams that could of won.

[Duncan21formvp]

How did Lebron James lose to a Career Loser in Dwight Howard with HCA while having a 4x DPOY on his squad.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=454610&page=6

[Walk on Water]

dumb ^^^

Losing in the 1st round means you had no chance to win a title, compared to the team who's playing in the Finals with a chance to win the title.

Giving yourself a chance >>>>>>>>>> no chance at all


Wrong!

[bullettooth]

I actually think the first and last should be excused because his teams weren't very good. I never thought he had a chance to win either so when he lost I didn't hold it against him. In 11,14 and 17 I though he had very good teams and I thought he had a chance to win so I do hold those ones against him a bit.

They very least he could have done was win at least 1 game. If he's one of the all time greats, he should give at least one.

Allen Iverson got Philly one game against the Lakers. Where's LeBron?

[And1AllDay]

How did Lebron James lose to a Career Loser in Dwight Howard with HCA while having a 4x DPOY on his squad.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=454610&page=6

How did Tim Duncan lose as a #1 seed to a #8 seed that had never even won a playoff game before?

[Duncan21formvp]

How did Tim Duncan lose as a #1 seed to a #8 seed that had never even won a playoff game before?
Out of his prime and already won multiple titles. Lebron James lost to a career loser in Dwight Howard with HCA in a year he won MVP that is much worse.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

[Bawkish]

KD will surely miss his annual "Lebron is my b*tch" matchup this year :lol

[stalkerforlife]

OP is exactly right.

If your team is good enough to make the finals, they shouldn't be embarrassed on that stage time and time again.

UNLESS you're saying their conference is absolute dog shit and absolutely nothing was accomplished by making the finals...

Uh oh. A conundrum.

[bigkingsfan]

How did Tim Duncan lose as a #1 seed to a #8 seed that had never even won a playoff game before?
Wait, that didn't happen right? :biggums:

[And1AllDay]

Wait, that didn't happen right? :biggums:

I hate to admit it but it's true not even made up.

Tim Duncan lost as a #1 seed to a #8 seed and the team he lost to had never even won a playoff game.

The ultimate collapse among top 15 players. Not many can say they lost in the 1st round to an 8 seed, but Timmy D has that record set.

[34-24 Footwork]

I don't get how someone who is so great is ALWAYS expected to lose :lol

The fact that these nerds NEVER predict him to win in the finals says a lot...whether they wanna admit it or not.

[DCL]

Losing in the first round as an 8th seed or even getting swept is somewhat excusable given the fact it's usually a great team vs a mediocre one. Losing and especially Getting swept in the finals is much worse because it's almost always 2 teams that are close in talent. Losing when you could or should win is much worse than losing when should lose.

I like both mj and Bron but the difference between them is that mj is a better winner. He always won when he should or could have and LeBron didn't.


Is English your third language?

[Bronbron23]

They very least he could have done was win at least 1 game. If he's one of the all time greats, he should give at least one.

Allen Iverson got Philly one game against the Lakers. Where's LeBron?
Yeah I agree he should of at least got one though

[Bronbron23]

Is English your third language?
Its a forum bruh I'm not worrying about spelling and punctuations and shit. I have to do that enough at work. Judging by the time you said this I'm assuming you don't have a job and don't know what that's like and what kind of nerd proofreads on a forum:oldlol:

[bison]

Is English your third language?

Only in America is calling someone trilingual an insult. :facepalm

[superduper]

I don't get how someone who is so great is ALWAYS expected to lose :lol

The fact that these nerds NEVER predict him to win in the finals says a lot...whether they wanna admit it or not.

And the excuse that he's facing a GOAT team in the finals is complete horseshit as proven by King James 1v9ing the Warriors + Refs + Silver with ZERO allstars.

There are no more LeExcuses left :(

[TheCorporation]

If MJ actually got past the 2nd round in '95 would that have been "worse" for his legacy?

MJ was knocked out in the 2nd round by Shaq's Magic, but are we saying that if MJ beat that team, beat the next team, and then lost to Hakeem's Rockets in the Finals (thus producing a 6-1 Finals record) are you guys saying this is worse?

Advancing = worse?

I want to attempt to understand what you guys are saying because my stance is clear: Losing earlier is worse, not better. Agree or disagree?

[3ball]

If MJ actually got past the 2nd round in '95 would that have been "worse" for his legacy?


No, but if he lost by record amount, swept, or lost as the favorite, it would be a bad for his career, as it was for lebron in 07', 11, 14, 17, 18'

And all greats get swept and beat, but MJ always did it with the worst odds (8 vs 1 seed), or a low seed, whereas lebron has never been a low seed!!.. He's always lost with high seeds and generally better odds





Losing earlier is worse, not better. Agree or disagree?


MJ won 6 Finals, so lebron got knocked out earlier more than MJ, including three 2nd round losses, 1 conference finals loss, and 6 Finals losses..

MJ only has 7 early exits to Lebron's 10......... Ultimately:

Lebron:. 9 conference finals wins... 3 Finals wins
Jordan:. 6 conference finals wins... 6 Finals wins

Obviously, MJ's 3 extra Finals wins > lebron's 3 extra conference finals wins.. :confusedshrug:
.

[TheCorporation]

No, but if he lost by record amount, swept, or lost as the favorite, it would be a bad for his career, as it was for lebron in 07', 11, 14, 17, 18'

And all greats get swept and beat, but MJ always did it with the worst odds (8 vs 1 seed), or a low seed, whereas lebron has never been a low seed!!.. He's always lost with high seeds and generally better odds



MJ won 6 Finals, so lebron got knocked out earlier more than MJ, including three 2nd round losses, 1 conference finals loss, and 6 Finals losses..

MJ only has 7 early exits to Lebron's 10......... Ultimately:

Lebron:. 9 conference finals wins... 3 Finals wins
Jordan:. 6 conference finals wins... 6 Finals wins

Obviously, MJ's 3 extra Finals wins > lebron's 3 extra conference finals wins.. :confusedshrug:
.

Are you "glad" Jordan lost in the 2nd round to Shaq in '95 instead of beating him, winning the ECF and losing to Hakeem in the NBA Finals, thus producing a 6-1 Finals record :eek: :eek:

[3ball]

Are you "glad" Jordan lost in the 2nd round to Shaq in '95 instead of beating him, winning the ECF and losing to Hakeem in the NBA Finals, thus producing a 6-1 Finals record :eek: :eek:
No, I'm glad he didn't bow out early as many times or as often as lebron

My post made that pretty clear, but I guess ur pretending you can't read now.. another lebron stan ploy.. :oldlol:

And if the bulls had what it took to beat the magic in 95', they crush hakeem in Finals

[Walk on Water]

I don't get how someone who is so great is ALWAYS expected to lose :lol

The fact that these nerds NEVER predict him to win in the finals says a lot...whether they wanna admit it or not.


It’s so odd.... I’ve never seen a player expected to lose so much yet get all the credit.

That means you can do no wrong no matter what. No pressure ever.

[ImKobe]

I don't get how someone who is so great is ALWAYS expected to lose :lol

The fact that these nerds NEVER predict him to win in the finals says a lot...whether they wanna admit it or not.

So it's never his fault when they do lose.

Let's just call every player on his team trash, so when they do show up and they do win a series, he's the only one that gets the credit. Rinse and repeat every year.

[Walk on Water]

So it's never his fault when they do lose.

Let's just call every player on his team trash, so when they do show up and they do win a series, he's the only one that gets the credit. Rinse and repeat every year.


Lebron James is 3 and 6 in the NBA Finals and had to pair up with Dywane Wade and Chris Bosh, then Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving.

He's 3 and 6 with luck too.. That's the ironic thing. Ray Allen hit the most clutch shot in NBA history and Lebron had to get Draymond suspended.

Even with all those miracles, he's still somehow 3 and 6 while losing by a record margin to the San Antonio Spurs with a super team, getting swept by the Spurs, losing in 5 games to KD with Irving and Love and losing in 4 with Love.

This is your GOAT? Ha ha ha ha ha ha :cheers:

Oh and Dirk spanked him and his boys too...

[And1AllDay]

No, I'm glad he didn't bow out early as many times or as often as lebron

My post made that pretty clear, but I guess ur pretending you can't read now.. another lebron stan ploy.. :oldlol:

And if the bulls had what it took to beat the magic in 95', they crush hakeem in Finals

Eh but your kinda deflecting the question bruh. We already know you are happy he lost in the 2nd round instead of losing in the Finals. Which doesnt make sense. Once you soak that in you will see why your thinking is wrong.


You are happy he lost in the 1st round 3 times (which is dumb).
You are happy he lost in the 2nd round in '95 instead of Finals
You are happy he is 6-0 instead of 6-3 (which again makes no sense)

[ImKobe]

Lebron James is 3 and 6 in the NBA Finals and had to pair up with Dywane Wade and Chris Bosh, then Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving.

He's 3 and 6 with luck too.. That's the ironic thing. Ray Allen hit the most clutch shot in NBA history and Lebron had to get Draymond suspended.

Even with all those miracles, he's still somehow 3 and 6 while losing by a record margin to the San Antonio Spurs with a super team, getting swept by the Spurs, losing in 5 games to KD with Irving and Love and losing in 4 with Love.

This is your GOAT? Ha ha ha ha ha ha :cheers:

Oh and Dirk spanked him and his boys too...

Allen and Kyrie miss those 3s and he's 1/9, funny how two shots by his teammates change his entire legacy.

Jordan never even faced elimination in the Finals because he always showed up when it mattered while Lebron has series like 2011

imagine Jordan did something even close to as bad as this

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2icbfnm.jpg

[Bronbron23]

If MJ actually got past the 2nd round in '95 would that have been "worse" for his legacy?

MJ was knocked out in the 2nd round by Shaq's Magic, but are we saying that if MJ beat that team, beat the next team, and then lost to Hakeem's Rockets in the Finals (thus producing a 6-1 Finals record) are you guys saying this is worse?

Advancing = worse?

I want to attempt to understand what you guys are saying because my stance is clear: Losing earlier is worse, not better. Agree or disagree?
Your missing the point. Yes all things being equal losing earlier is worse. But all things aren't equal. Some teams are just better than others usually because They have more weapons via coaching and or players. When you lose to someone who has more weapons then you its excusable because it was not a fair fight. There wasn't much you could of done because you never had a chance really.
When you lose to someone who has weapons equal to you then it's not excusable because it was a fair fight. You didn't lose because you had less weapons you lost because of something you did or didn't do to the best of your ability. You had a chance you just couldnt get it done.
This is true in basketball also. In the first round Number 1 seeds are usually better than number 8 seeds because they have more weapons. When the number 8 seeds lose its not as much of a negative reflection of that teams best player or players because it wasnt a fair fight in the first place. There wasn't anything they really could of done.
In the finals however teams usually have equal weapons so When a team loses its often a reflection on that teams best player or players because they had the weapons to win but for whatever reason they just couldn't get it done.
I guess what I'm basically trying to say is that losing in a fair fight looks worse than losing in a unfair one because one is a reflection of the circumstances and the other is a reflection of you