Hater's Guide To Delegitimizing LeBron

[Ainosterhaspie]

Peliminary Note: if all else fails blame the refs, commissioner or other league officer of your choosing. You can also do this any time you feel like it to supplement any critique below.

The following is a handy guide for attacking LeBron in every situation no matter the result of the game or how he plays. To use this guide, find the applicable situation below and use the appropriate response shown in bold. Options are divided into responses to wins and responses to losses for your convenience.


If they won, he had good stats and his teammates didn't: Ball hog, didn't let anyone else succeed or get in a rhythm, he gets no credit, his team is stacked.*
If they won, he has good stats and a teammate(s) played well, or even just made a shot you can label clutch or timely: Stacked team, he was carried, he gets no credit.**
If they won and he didn't have good stats: Stacked team, he was carried, he gets no credit.


If they lost and he played well: No he didn't, he lost therefore he didn't play well, it was LeBron Ball stat padding, he gets no credit.
If they lost, he played well, and teammates played poorly option one: it's his fault he wouldn't let them get in a rhythm with his ball dominance.***
If they lost, he played well, and teammates played poorly option two for times he wasn't dominating the ball when they fell behind: its his fault for being passive, no credit for playing well with the game decided.***
If they lost and he played poorly: overrated choker, negative legacy credits, we can now erase a good performance not that any of those counted anyway as noted above.
If they lost, he played poorly and teammates played poorly: overrated choker, team cancer, destroys systems****.
If they lost, he played poorly and teammate(s) played well: overrated choker, dragged his team down, can't even win with a stacked team.*****

*His team is always stacked. Surely you can find a guy on the team who was an all star once, or had lots of hype before entering the NBA. Just point out those accolades however sparce and/or distant they may be and say the team is stacked.

**Note, the more teammates who do well the more shame should be heaped on LeBron.

***These two options may be viewed as contradictory by Stans, and if they point that out just call them kids and ignore what they say, you could also attack them for being stat nerds if that seems appropriate.

****Don't worry if there wasn't a system in place before LeBron or if the coach has never implemented an NBA system. There would have been an elite system if not for LeBron because reasons.

*****This may be a rare case, but when it happens...hoo boy, it's a good day. This is the best case scenario really.

[Ainosterhaspie]

LeBron has a lot of playoff game winners, but don't let that trick you into thinking he might be clutch. Below I'll help you sort through various types of shots and why they aren't clutch using a helpful question and answer formula.

Q: Did he hit a game game winner?
A: No.
R: Not clutch.

Q: Did he hit a game winner?
A: Yes.
Q: Was it a buzzer beater?
A: No.
R: No pressure, not clutch.

Q: Was it a buzzer beater?
A: Yes.
Q: Were they behind?
A. No.
R: No pressure, not clutch.

Q: Were they behind?
A: Yes.
Q: Was it a three point shot?
A. No.
R. Too easy, not clutch.

Q: Was it a three point shot?
A: Yes.
R. Afraid to take it to the hole and have to shoot free throws, not clutch.

At this point we've proven he's not clutch no matter what happens, so there really is no need to proceed further. But if you feel like showing other reasons he's not clutch you can continue as follows.

Q: Was he double teamed?
A: No.
R: Too easy not clutch.

Q: Was he double teamed?
A: Yes.
Q: Still too easy to be honest, was he triple teamed?
A. Yes.
Q: Was it in the finals?
A: No.
R: No pressure, not clutch.

Q: Was it in the finals?
A: Yes.
Q: Was it game seven?
A: No.
R: No pressure, not clutch.

Q: Was it game seven?
A: Yes.
Q: Did he get fouled?
A: No.
R: No pressure to make a free throw, not clutch.

Q: Did he make the shot, get fouled and make a free throw to win?
A: Yes.
LONG UNCOMFORTABLE SILENCE
Q: He made a buzzer beating three while triple teamed and getting fouled then made a free throw to win game seven of the finals?
A: Yes.
MORE UNCOMFORTABLE SILENCE
R: Refs, commissioner, stacked team, collusion, no pressure not clutch cause if he missed the free throw they'd just go into overtime and no one expected him to make it anyway, weak era, no handchecking, player was injured, wasn't quadruple teamed, should have passed it.

[superduper]

If they win: it was all Bran!! Carrying useless trash!!

If they lose: Bran needs moar help.

Yeah, you losers are definitely not moronic :rockon:

[AirTupac]

Cringe :roll:

[eliteballer]

DId you forget the part about him juicing more than Minute Maid?

[Rudeboy3]

bronsexuals are on someshit

[FKAri]

bronsexuals are on someshit
Sexual? What's wrong with you, heathen?

[fileman1209]

Cringe :roll:


Kobe is not top 10 and wasn't even the best player for most of his titles :lol

Kobe sucks ass in the finals and is no where near as good as MJ:roll:

MJ and LeBron both have 8-10 seasons better than Kobe best year :roll: :roll: :roll:

[superduper]

Kobe is not top 10 and wasn't even the best player for most of his titles :lol

Kobe sucks ass in the finals and is no where near as good as MJ:roll:

MJ and LeBron both have 8-10 seasons better than Kobe best year :roll: :roll: :roll:

Why are you trying to group the greatest alpha male winner in history to a colluding running-away ring chasing loser? :oldlol:

[ThiccBoi]

Lmao great post OP

[And1AllDay]

Bron crew stay winning :banana:

[Mr. Jabbar]

Holy triggers batman!

[jstern]

Though you simplified the points to make them seem less legit, a lot of what you mentioned is based on reality. Ring of truth. Lebron ball.

My favorite is the one where Lebron puts up amazing stats, but if you watch the game he clearly quit, or is passive, would have won if he simply put effort, like game six against the Pacers. Then people look at the box score and blame his teammates.

That's my favorite because it takes more than casual understanding. And I've fallen for it before. I think it was the series that he lost to Dwight Howard. I didn't watch that series, but people were putting him down saying that he quit.

And I'm on ISH defending him because wtf? Look at his stats. (Keep in mind that I am a Lebron fan) But as you watch more and more of Lebron on certain situations, you understand the whole concept.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Though you simplified the points to make them seem less legit, a lot of what you mentioned is based on reality. Ring of truth. Lebron ball.

My favorite is the one where Lebron puts up amazing stats, but if you watch the game he clearly quit, or is passive, would have won if he simply put effort, like game six against the Pacers. Then people look at the box score and blame his teammates.

That's my favorite because it takes more than casual understanding. And I've fallen for it before. I think it was the series that he lost to Dwight Howard. I didn't watch that series, but people were putting him down saying that he quit.

And I'm on ISH defending him because wtf? Look at his stats. (Keep in mind that I am a Lebron fan) But as you watch more and more of Lebron on certain situations, you understand the whole concept.

What a fine read :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Nash]

LeBron has a lot of playoff game winners, but don't let that trick you into thinking he might be clutch. Below I'll help you sort through various types of shots and why they aren't clutch using a helpful question and answer formula.

Q: Did he hit a game game winner?
A: No.
R: Not clutch.

Q: Did he hit a game winner?
A: Yes.
Q: Was it a buzzer beater?
A: No.
R: No pressure, not clutch.

Q: Was it a buzzer beater?
A: Yes.
Q: Were they behind?
A. No.
R: No pressure, not clutch.

Q: Were they behind?
A: Yes.
Q: Was it a three point shot?
A. No.
R. Too easy, not clutch.

Q: Was it a three point shot?
A: Yes.
R. Afraid to take it to the hole and have to shoot free throws, not clutch.

At this point we've proven he's not clutch no matter what happens, so there really is no need to proceed further. But if you feel like showing other reasons he's not clutch you can continue as follows.

Q: Was he double teamed?
A: No.
R: Too easy not clutch.

Q: Was he double teamed?
A: Yes.
Q: Still too easy to be honest, was he triple teamed?
A. Yes.
Q: Was it in the finals?
A: No.
R: No pressure, not clutch.

Q: Was it in the finals?
A: Yes.
Q: Was it game seven?
A: No.
R: No pressure, not clutch.

Q: Was it game seven?
A: Yes.
Q: Did he get fouled?
A: No.
R: No pressure to make a free throw, not clutch.

Q: Did he make the shot, get fouled and make a free throw to win?
A: Yes.
LONG UNCOMFORTABLE SILENCE
Q: He made a buzzer beating three while triple teamed and getting fouled then made a free throw to win game seven of the finals?
A: Yes.
MORE UNCOMFORTABLE SILENCE
R: Refs, commissioner, stacked team, collusion, no pressure not clutch cause if he missed the free throw they'd just go into overtime and no one expected him to make it anyway, weak era, no handchecking, player was injured, wasn't quadruple teamed, should have passed it.
Haha, you just managed to explain how things have been the last 9 years.

Funniest thing is that there is an individual out there, Skip Bayless, who makes 5m a year just talking like this. That man is a genius!

[Spurs m8]

LOL what a fvcking meltdown

[bullettooth]

I question the intellect of anyone that uses the term 'hater'

[diamenz]

good. now do an mj one with just as much passion.

[90sgoat]

Didn't read:lol

[dazzer87]

LeBron has a lot of playoff game winners, but don't let that trick you into thinking he might be clutch. Below I'll help you sort through various types of shots and why they aren't clutch using a helpful question and answer formula.

Q: Did he hit a game game winner?
A: No.
R: Not clutch.

Q: Did he hit a game winner?
A: Yes.
Q: Was it a buzzer beater?
A: No.
R: No pressure, not clutch.

Q: Was it a buzzer beater?
A: Yes.
Q: Were they behind?
A. No.
R: No pressure, not clutch.

Q: Were they behind?
A: Yes.
Q: Was it a three point shot?
A. No.
R. Too easy, not clutch.

Q: Was it a three point shot?
A: Yes.
R. Afraid to take it to the hole and have to shoot free throws, not clutch.

At this point we've proven he's not clutch no matter what happens, so there really is no need to proceed further. But if you feel like showing other reasons he's not clutch you can continue as follows.

Q: Was he double teamed?
A: No.
R: Too easy not clutch.

Q: Was he double teamed?
A: Yes.
Q: Still too easy to be honest, was he triple teamed?
A. Yes.
Q: Was it in the finals?
A: No.
R: No pressure, not clutch.

Q: Was it in the finals?
A: Yes.
Q: Was it game seven?
A: No.
R: No pressure, not clutch.

Q: Was it game seven?
A: Yes.
Q: Did he get fouled?
A: No.
R: No pressure to make a free throw, not clutch.

Q: Did he make the shot, get fouled and make a free throw to win?
A: Yes.
LONG UNCOMFORTABLE SILENCE
Q: He made a buzzer beating three while triple teamed and getting fouled then made a free throw to win game seven of the finals?
A: Yes.
MORE UNCOMFORTABLE SILENCE
R: Refs, commissioner, stacked team, collusion, no pressure not clutch cause if he missed the free throw they'd just go into overtime and no one expected him to make it anyway, weak era, no handchecking, player was injured, wasn't quadruple teamed, should have passed it.
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[FKAri]

good. now do an mj one with just as much passion.

Q: Did MJ..(cut off)
R: 1-9

[Ainosterhaspie]

I question the intellect of anyone that uses the term 'hater'
I could have said "Guide To Deligitimizing LeBron for Those Who Will Irrationally Discount Everything He Does Regardless of Outcome", but instead opted for brevity, which has been said to be the soul of wit. Please note that I do distinguish between those who dislike him or find him to be less than GOAT, and those who mindlessly attack him and only mean to include the latter with that term.

[warriorfan]

Holy triggers batman!

lmao, seriously

[ArbitraryWater]

Brilliant


there's nothing left to take away from. he's the goat

[Ainosterhaspie]

good. now do an mj one with just as much passion.
Here you go:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=460040

Where do the two topics rank in the passion meter?

[Ben Simmons 25]

OP is correct about the LeBron viewpoint situation.

However, I will say, that this type of thinking that he outlined in the OP, undoubtedly, unquestionably, extends far beyond LeBron and it was happening before him to players like Kobe and that indeed it is a far bigger issue than the NBA, far bigger than sports, and it permeates throughout society which is rotten to the core as a result.

Everyone has a need to be right. There are very few people on this board that are willing to actually self examine, self analyze, and correct/change the things they've said/say/think/believe short of anything except concrete evidence and even then, it's sometimes not enough. People here and everywhere else are just... arguing beliefs.

As such, given that they are beliefs, and that there is no 100% concrete way to say without question what is definitively correct... such as, in this case... the level of LeBron's greatness... people are going to spin and spin and spin and justify any which way and change standards and etc to fit... their beliefs.

Nobody comes here because they want to actually discuss basketball or anything else for that matter.

They come here to argue their beliefs. Some are just more vocal, grandiose and boisterous about it than others. There are very few people here, less than a handful at best, that have an open mind to a different viewpoint. Long ago, their beliefs were formed, and they are here arguing. And that's it. That's literally it.

It's a much bigger issue in society than LeBron James and the chickenshit sport of basketball.

[Loco 50]

I'd like a guide that describes your attempts to legitimize LeBron and how your decisions are made:

Some ideas to start with.

A.)describe what influences you to make a new account.
-Is it when you feel outnumbered?
-Is it when one gets embarrassed beyond repair and that it must be burned.

2.)describe how you choose an account name.

III.)describe how you choose an account to post with.
-Does each account need a new personality?
-If so how do you choose?
-Does each account "specialize" in a certain topic beyond LeBron knob gobblin'?

I think these things are much more interesting than another LeBron ballwashing thread.

Enlighten the less enlightened.

[Spurs m8]

Brilliant


there's nothing left to take away from. he's the goat

Cringe

[Rudeboy3]

LeBron has a lot of playoff game winners, but don't let that trick you into thinking he might be clutch. Below I'll help you sort through various types of shots and why they aren't clutch using a helpful question and answer formula.

Q: Did he hit a game game winner?
A: No.
R: Not clutch.

Q: Did he hit a game winner?
A: Yes.
Q: Was it a buzzer beater?
A: No.
R: No pressure, not clutch.

Q: Was it a buzzer beater?
A: Yes.
Q: Were they behind?
A. No.
R: No pressure, not clutch.

Q: Were they behind?
A: Yes.
Q: Was it a three point shot?
A. No.
R. Too easy, not clutch.

Q: Was it a three point shot?
A: Yes.
R. Afraid to take it to the hole and have to shoot free throws, not clutch.

At this point we've proven he's not clutch no matter what happens, so there really is no need to proceed further. But if you feel like showing other reasons he's not clutch you can continue as follows.

Q: Was he double teamed?
A: No.
R: Too easy not clutch.

Q: Was he double teamed?
A: Yes.
Q: Still too easy to be honest, was he triple teamed?
A. Yes.
Q: Was it in the finals?
A: No.
R: No pressure, not clutch.

Q: Was it in the finals?
A: Yes.
Q: Was it game seven?
A: No.
R: No pressure, not clutch.

Q: Was it game seven?
A: Yes.
Q: Did he get fouled?
A: No.
R: No pressure to make a free throw, not clutch.

Q: Did he make the shot, get fouled and make a free throw to win?
A: Yes.
LONG UNCOMFORTABLE SILENCE
Q: He made a buzzer beating three while triple teamed and getting fouled then made a free throw to win game seven of the finals?
A: Yes.
MORE UNCOMFORTABLE SILENCE
R: Refs, commissioner, stacked team, collusion, no pressure not clutch cause if he missed the free throw they'd just go into overtime and no one expected him to make it anyway, weak era, no handchecking, player was injured, wasn't quadruple teamed, should have passed it.
look at all that text i didn't read :banana:

[And1AllDay]

GOAT confirmed :bowdown:

[scuzzy]

Op shut it down :biggums:

[Gileraracer]

Bron lovers have it a lot easier:

"Lebron needs more help"
-always

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

LeBron's fanboys are worse.

By a mile.

They want to give their boy full credit for TEAM achievements, but when LeBron loses? You'll get the underdog and 'no help' rhetoric :oldlol: At least 'haters' will acknowledge some of LeBron's accolades. Heck even the pros about his game. Super fans are so stuck in their bubble they wont concede a single damn con.

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron's fanboys are worse.

By a mile.

They want to give their boy full credit for TEAM achievements, but when LeBron loses? You'll get the underdog and 'no help' rhetoric :oldlol: At least 'haters' will acknowledge some of LeBron's accolades. Heck even the pros about his game. Super fans are so stuck in their bubble they wont concede a single damn con.
You see the haters on here :lol A lot of them are absolutely on the same tier as the ones you described in your post, but on the opposite spectrum. But obviously that can apply to haters of any players, but LeBron's are easily the biggest population and most vocal on the board

[Rocket]

Just what this forum needed, the 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000 Lebron thread. Great job OP.
:facepalm

[diamenz]

Here you go:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=460040

Where do the two topics rank in the passion meter?

didn't think u would actually do it. kudos i guess.

[Manny98]

LeBron's fanboys are worse.

By a mile.

They want to give their boy full credit for TEAM achievements, but when LeBron loses? You'll get the underdog and 'no help' rhetoric :oldlol: At least 'haters' will acknowledge some of LeBron's accolades. Heck even the pros about his game. Super fans are so stuck in their bubble they wont concede a single damn con.
You Jordan fanboys are the exact same

The amount you lot shit on Pippen and Horace Grant and make them out to be some role players and that Pippen would be a scrub if not for MJ :oldlol:

[PickernRoller]

LeTards never cease to amuse....

3ball low key did a work on OP.

[Smoke117]

Bron stans and Bron haters are equally deplorable losers. The level of obsession by both is just pathetic. If anything, though, the haters are much worse considering they are much more numerous. The only really annoying Bran stan is Simon and his various alts. The other Bran fanboys here don't really go out of there way to make thread after tread attacking other players and putting LeBron on a pedestal. The various haters all go out of there way to make threads and posts attacking LeBron and putting everyone else on a pedestal, though.

[PickernRoller]

Bron stans and Bron haters are equally deplorable losers. The level of obsession by both is just pathetic. If anything, though, the haters are much worse considering they are much more numerous. The only really annoying Bran stan is Simon and his various alts. The other Bran fanboys here don't really go out of there way to make thread after tread attacking other players and putting LeBron on a pedestal. The various haters all go out of there way to make threads and posts attacking LeBron and putting everyone else on a pedestal, though.

Simon got you raw didn't he? :roll: :roll: :roll: