People losing jobs by testing positive for marijuana in weed legal states

[AirBonner]

What are your thoughts on this? I think this will be an even bigger problem as more and more states legalize it. They are encroaching on the personal lives of their workers. What if they have a prescription for it? that's some personal shit

[scuzzy]

Getting hired by a company is a privilege, not a right

It's no different then showing up to an interview with booze on your breath or dopey from opiates.

A company has every right to decline you based on whatever reason they want.

They aren't encroaching in your life, YOU are applying for THEIR company.

Their property

Their service

Their rules.

[Akrazotile]

My personal thoughts are smoking weed isn't a big deal, and as an employer, if it isn't affecting someone's job performance I wouldn't care.

As a citizen, I support the rights of employers who may feel differently. They have a right to run their business how they want. They have a right to hire and fire whomever they want, for whatever reasons they want. Silly, unconstitutional laws that encroach on business owners do not actually change what is or isn't a fundamental right.

[AirBonner]

Getting hired by a company is a privilege, not a right

It's no different then showing up to an interview with booze on your breath or dopey from opiates.

A company has every right to decline you based on whatever reason they want.

They aren't encroaching in your life, YOU are applying for THEIR company.

Their property

Their service

Their rules.
except it is different because it is still traceable long after consumption.

[AirBonner]

alcohol is far worse and some businesses conduct meetings over it :lol imagine if you could get fired for having a beer over the weekend. It's like that with weed :oldlol:

[scuzzy]

except it is different because it is still traceable long after consumption.
That's not really the point though brotha

Ever met a person that works in the medical field?

Ask them about their policies

Your application wont even go through if you try getting a job and use tobacco.

Being legal or not does not apply to companies or businesses. They have every right to turn you down or fire you under company policy.

[Norcaliblunt]

Just give it time. Once the corporate cannabis dollars start really rolling in companies will change their policy. Too much money. It will outweigh the drug testing lobby.

[tpols]

Getting hired by a company is a privilege, not a right

It's no different then showing up to an interview with booze on your breath or dopey from opiates.

A company has every right to decline you based on whatever reason they want.

They aren't encroaching in your life, YOU are applying for THEIR company.

Their property

Their service

Their rules.


Except for a urine test booze and opiates are out of your system in a day or so while weed can linger for up to a month. So they have harshest parameters fpr the softest substance, makes no sense.

[NumberSix]

Why wouldn’t the “it’s a private company” argument that applies to online platforms apply to these companies?

[jstern]

I have no issues with it. They main reason they test for it in the first place is not because it's illegal, but because they don't want pot heads working for them.

[scuzzy]

Except for a urine test booze and opiates are out of your system in a day or so while weed can linger for up to a month. So they have harshest parameters fpr the softest substance, makes no sense.
The urine analysis out now can show alcohol use up to 5 days, opioids can do 15 now. The ole 'cocaine is water soluble' in and out of system in 24hrs is fading. Companies with strict policy that need employees to be held accountable will get the lab work. And it's cheap, their insurance pays it

That's entire irrelevant though, because once again it's not up to you, the feds, the state or local laws to decide what's okey-dokie. It's the employer, period. It's their policy and you aren't obligated to be there

[AirBonner]

I have no issues with it. They main reason they test for it in the first place is not because it's illegal, but because they don't want pot heads working for them.
what if they like to enjoy a joint every now and then on a weekend? its people's personal business what they do on the weekend yet people are okay with the functional everyday alcoholic

[Facepalm]

Getting hired by a company is a privilege, not a right

It's no different then showing up to an interview with booze on your breath or dopey from opiates.

A company has every right to decline you based on whatever reason they want.

They aren't encroaching in your life, YOU are applying for THEIR company.

Their property

Their service

Their rules.
This

[Akrazotile]

alcohol is far worse and some businesses conduct meetings over it :lol imagine if you could get fired for having a beer over the weekend. It's like that with weed :oldlol:


You can. There are probably businesses out there (in Utah mostly) where people do.

The reason it's not an issue in most places is because most businesses don't hold such policies, because nobody will want to work for them.

It will eventually evolve that way with marijuana, but it will take time. Trying to force the issue only creates unnecessarily conflict. Let them do them and we do we. It'll sort itself out naturally in time.

[Facepalm]

what if they like to enjoy a joint every now and then on a weekend? its people's personal business what they do on the weekend yet people are okay with the functional everyday alcoholic
Then find a new job that doesn't care

[tpols]

The urine analysis out now can show alcohol use up to 5 days, opioids can do 15 now. The ole 'cocaine is water soluble' in and out of system in 24hrs is fading. Companies with strict policy that need employees to be held accountable will get the lab work. And it's cheap, their insurance pays it

That's entire irrelevant though, because once again it's not up to you, the feds, the state or local laws to decide what's okey-dokie. It's the employer, period. It's their policy and you aren't obligated to be there


Right and were here to point out the lack of logic in their policies. For 80 bucks can get some sub solution and pass anything anyway.

[Akrazotile]

Right and were here to point out the lack of logic in their policies. For 80 bucks can get some sub solution and pass anything anyway.


So you agree with their right to drug test, you're just arguing online at ISH against their decision to do so?

Sounds productive. Good work, boy.

[scuzzy]

Right and were here to point out the lack of logic in their policies. For 80 bucks can get some sub solution and pass anything anyway.
Those don't bypass UA tests now either, you're behind in time. (about 5 years)

Those niacin jacked juice drinks will bypass the mom n pop CVS drug test cups, that's it.

Not the ones were employers send you to a clinic initially before or after your hired.

Most employers want their employees crisp, if they don't want to hire stoners then that's their right. If they don't want to hire someone who looks unhygienic, that's their right too

[tpols]

Those don't bypass UA tests now either, you're behind in time. (about 5 years)

Those niacin jacked juice drinks will bypass the mom n pop CVS drug test cups, that's it.

Not the ones were employers send you to a clinic initially before or after your hired.

Most employers want their employees crisp, if they don't want to hire stoners then that's their right. If they don't want to hire someone who looks unhygienic, that's their right too


Yes it does lol... Sub works 100% as of like, 2 months ago signed and sealed sent away to a lab

[scuzzy]

Yes it does lol... Sub works 100% as of like, 2 months ago signed and sealed sent away to a lab
"sent n sealed"

Would love to work for a company that gives 2 week notice when to bring in your synthetic urine to be ship off like Amazon Prime :lol

Local mall security gig?

[tpols]

"sent n sealed"

Would love to work for a company that gives 2 week notice when to bring in your synthetic urine to be ship off like Amazon Prime :lol

Local mall security gig?


Pre screen Drug tests operate in a 48 hour window, go anytime within. You can order stuff online next day shipping for like 10 extra bucks.

[scuzzy]

Pre screen Drug tests operate in a 48 hour window, go anytime within. You can order stuff online next day shipping for like 10 extra bucks.
Sounds like a solid $15 gig. Weird that's a lot of work for something so lax you can just bring in your cousins clean piss.

The ones at clinics gauge the temperature immediately

Regardless, if your playing the lotto and ordering products online overnight shipping just to smoke some grass the job probably isn't worth much of a big opportunity in the first place. :lol

[Facepalm]

"sent n sealed"

Would love to work for a company that gives 2 week notice when to bring in your synthetic urine to be ship off like Amazon Prime :lol

Local mall security gig?
I work for a start up and my boss is always joking about how he's going to sell the business and smoke weed everyday when he retires. He always tells me a month beforehand when I have a drug test coming up (it's for our client's benefit, he obviously doesn't care)

[aj1987]

Is it really that hard for people stay off weed, if their company is against it?

Not that I have any problem with people smoking weed..

[AirBonner]

Is it really that hard for people stay off weed, if their company is against it?

Not that I have any problem with people smoking weed..
it's not hard. its just the idea of the whole thing. obviously don't smoke at work. But if you want to in your time outside of work you should not be reprimanded for that. how would you feel about your company telling you what you can and can't do off company time?

[aj1987]

it's not hard. its just the idea of the whole thing. obviously don't smoke at work. But if you want to in your time outside of work you should not be reprimanded for that. how would you feel about your company telling you what you can and can't do off company time?
It's the company's policy. If you want to work there, stay off weed. As simple as that. Not the company's fault that you can test positive even after a couple of weeks. :confusedshrug:

[Facepalm]

it's not hard. its just the idea of the whole thing. obviously don't smoke at work. But if you want to in your time outside of work you should not be reprimanded for that. how would you feel about your company telling you what you can and can't do off company time?
Try working at a hospital if you are a smoker

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[Levity]

I’ve wondered how they would handle this moving forward.


Clearly you aren’t under the influence weeks later so the fact that you can be terminated seems strange. Yet, you’re terming for something that is perfectly legal on the employees down time, like alcohol.



How do you police that correctly?


I also think it’s interesting that people still seem to have a certain stigma about weed.

pretty much on the same page as you.

i think until there is a way to determine if a person is high that very minute (IE: a breathalyzer-like test for weed), there will be no drastic change in the current process. because, like you said, the stigma in an employers eyes is that weed = bad employee. and since its "illegal"... "you're fired!"

all the while, weed will continue to become more socially acceptable. so only time can tell.

[Smoke117]

Getting hired by a company is a privilege, not a right

It's no different then showing up to an interview with booze on your breath or dopey from opiates.

A company has every right to decline you based on whatever reason they want.

They aren't encroaching in your life, YOU are applying for THEIR company.

Their property

Their service

Their rules.

As if we needed any more examples of what a fukking crippled retard you are. :facepalm

[Kblaze8855]

You can lose you job for doing a lot of legal things. And using a number of prescription drugs if they hinder you. At my job you have to report all medications you are on to operate some machinery. You can lose your job if you had an accident and have unreported medication in your system even if it’s prescribed.

And people do lose jobs for being tobacco smokers some places. And it’s perfectly legal to fire them.

You do not own your job. The person paying you does. You can be fired for an awful lot of shit that happens on your own time.

Generally speaking if I had to choose who to hire? Two equal prospects....but one had sense enough to not smoke while on a job hunt and the other didn’t?

Give me the guy with common sense unless he’s got some serious medical issue.

You fail a drug test while on a job hunt you’re just a moron.

I feel worse for people caught up in random tests after hiring.

[dunksby]

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[DukeDelonte13]

nicotine tests are become more and more commonplace. It is what it is.

[Rocket]

A private company has the right to set whatever rules they want to as long as it is not un-Constitional. There is no Constitutional right to smoke weed. Besides it is still illegal under federal law. Even if they change the federal law and make it legal, a company is still within their rights to make it against the rules. It would take a Constitutional amendment granting the right to smoke weed to keep companies from banning it.



Weed stays in a persons system for much longer than most drugs so anyone who does it when it is against a companies rules is playing Russian roulette with their job.

[Norcaliblunt]

I can’t wait until employers tell you, you can’t drink coffee or energy drinks. I mean they are drugs and bad for you. If you can’t get up and work without some sort of chemical stimulation you’re just a lazy POS.

The lunacy is how they trip on some things and other things they don’t. You can’t work in a hospital if you smoke, but you can drink soda, eat fast food, and be a fat slob. Lol.

[Kblaze8855]

A private company has the right to set whatever rules they want to as long as it is not un-Constitional. There is no Constitutional right to smoke weed. Besides it is still illegal under federal law. Even if they change the federal law and make it legal, a company is still within their rights to make it against the rules. It would take a Constitutional amendment granting the right to smoke weed to keep companies from banning it.



Weed stays in a persons system for much longer than most drugs so anyone who does it when it is against a companies rules is playing Russian roulette with their job.

Thats one part that people dont seem to consider.

Talk about its legal in this state or that one...when its illegal in the entire country.

State/federal law conflicts are stupid....but it is what it is.

[NumberSix]

A private company has the right to set whatever rules they want to as long as it is not un-Constitional. There is no Constitutional right to smoke weed. Besides it is still illegal under federal law. Even if they change the federal law and make it legal, a company is still within their rights to make it against the rules. It would take a Constitutional amendment granting the right to smoke weed to keep companies from banning it.
It wouldn

[Rocket]

Is it really that hard for people stay off weed, if their company is against it?

Not that I have any problem with people smoking weed..



^^^^^ this!

[Dillywilly]

Sorry for bringing this thread back, but it’s still a wild situation, weed’s legal in the state, but you can lose your job over it anyway.

I get it if you’re lighting up just to chill, but for people dealing with real pain, it’s a different story. I’ve been using it myself for that, and if anyone’s in the same boat, here’s the shop I buy my weed for pain (https://releaf.co.uk/conditions/pain) from. Reliable and actually helps.

[Meticode]

It's not wild to me at all personally. Companies have the right to set standards. Just like 10-15 years ago you couldn't have visible tattoos for a professional job (even a lot cashier jobs had this stipulation). Now many companies have relaxed on that.

It's no different than if you come into work drunk. It's legal to drink and be over the limit as long as you don't drive/ It's legal to step foot inside your job drunk, but it doesn't mean the company has to accept people coming in drunk or high negatively affecting their job and the people around them.

If you get weed legally for pain, then just show a doctors slip for it. Most jobs will acccept that. If you're not getting doctor approval and doing it on your own, then that's your fault.

[ILLsmak]

they need a better test for weed. If they are testing whether you use weed, that's kinda wack, cuz you just dunno how often people are using it, etc. But if they are actively high at their job, that seems like a fire-able offense. If you smoked weed at a party during your vacation, that's not the same.

-Smak

[GOBB]

they need a better test for weed. If they are testing whether you use weed, that's kinda wack, cuz you just dunno how often people are using it, etc. But if they are actively high at their job, that seems like a fire-able offense. If you smoked weed at a party during your vacation, that's not the same.

-Smak

Or you just don’t smoke marijuana when you apply for a new job that you know (or should know doing research) does drug testing. You have the option of taking a break or getting a cleanse. It’s really simple honestly. But I know folks fail these tests knowing the job tests for it. Boggles my mind really.

Once you get the job. You can go back to smoking even more weed than you did before getting said job. Unless again doing research of the job you find out they do periodical drug testing. Then again use common sense.

Some jobs just use drug testing to narrow down job applicants.

[ILLsmak]

Or you just don’t smoke marijuana when you apply for a new job that you know (or should know doing research) does drug testing. You have the option of taking a break or getting a cleanse. It’s really simple honestly. But I know folks fail these tests knowing the job tests for it. Boggles my mind really.

Once you get the job. You can go back to smoking even more weed than you did before getting said job. Unless again doing research of the job you find out they do periodical drug testing. Then again use common sense.

Some jobs just use drug testing to narrow down job applicants.

I mean, you can go even further and just say that you don't wanna lie to your employer, assuming you care about stuff like that. Or that once you get the job, you could lose it from some BS. Obviously, if you go into a drug test without being clean, that's stupid, but people who are taking the test and going back to doing whatever are problematic as well. There is a reason they don't want you to smoke. Plenty of people I've known who work jobs that are zero tolerance will do what you'd do and probably never get caught, but there's a deeper issue. Nothing is wrong with smoking some weed.

It's arguably whether someone who smokes a lot of weed is different than someone who doesn't. I kinda think they might be. Enough to not be able to perform their job, probably not, but there is a difference. But people who just smoke weed every once in awhile are complete normies. There are people who you wouldn't even know smoke who will be like **** it yea why not on a certain occasion.

I also imagine getting fired for a drug test failure affects your prospects going forward. But yeah, the idea is that they are looking at even smoking a little weed as wrong, not so much that people can't pass their tests. There are ways. Weed is freaking legal in a lot of places now. You can probably smoke in public a lot more than you'd think. I was at a hotel during spring break and the whole drive up area smelled like WEED.

I can go without smoking anymore, but my point is simply that people who like to smoke once in awhile are unfairly targeted, and if they actually measured the levels in people opposed to just positive or negative, they could clean more info. One might even see a casual smoker as a promising candidate, because they can enjoy something and move on.

-Smak

[GOBB]

I mean, you can go even further and just say that you don't wanna lie to your employer, assuming you care about stuff like that. Or that once you get the job, you could lose it from some BS. Obviously, if you go into a drug test without being clean, that's stupid, but people who are taking the test and going back to doing whatever are problematic as well. There is a reason they don't want you to smoke. Plenty of people I've known who work jobs that are zero tolerance will do what you'd do and probably never get caught, but there's a deeper issue. Nothing is wrong with smoking some weed.

It's arguably whether someone who smokes a lot of weed is different than someone who doesn't. I kinda think they might be. Enough to not be able to perform their job, probably not, but there is a difference. But people who just smoke weed every once in awhile are complete normies. There are people who you wouldn't even know smoke who will be like **** it yea why not on a certain occasion.

I also imagine getting fired for a drug test failure affects your prospects going forward. But yeah, the idea is that they are looking at even smoking a little weed as wrong, not so much that people can't pass their tests. There are ways. Weed is freaking legal in a lot of places now. You can probably smoke in public a lot more than you'd think. I was at a hotel during spring break and the whole drive up area smelled like WEED.

I can go without smoking anymore, but my point is simply that people who like to smoke once in awhile are unfairly targeted, and if they actually measured the levels in people opposed to just positive or negative, they could clean more info. One might even see a casual smoker as a promising candidate, because they can enjoy something and move on.

-Smak


Be honest how many people do you know are casual smokers vs regular smokers?

A casual smoker is not someone who will feel unfairly targeted. It’s usually a person who could give it up outright. At the end of the day is your career worth losing because you are a casual smoker at risk of being unfairly targeted for smoking some weed which isn’t a big deal? Ther casual smoker would say nope not worth it. It’s the regular smokers who would have an issue.

Ans how many careers u fairly target employees when it comes to smoking? I know folks with state jobs that had to test before getting the job. And they smoke regularly. So long as they don’t do it on the job which is common sense. I know folks with govt jobs who do the same. But on the flip side I know folks with govt jobs where they don’t even risk it. My buddy is a RF engineer who enjoys smoking. They tell him ahead of time when it’s time to stay clean until the cost is clear. He’s had no issues. Over 2 decades strong. And the irony is he got kicked out of the army for smoking marijuana. Go figure.


Booo hooo with the unfair treatment of the every once in a blue smoker man

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