Biggest black mark on MJ

[Dray n Klay]

Pick

[SouBeachTalents]

Averaging 18 ppg in the Finals

[Dray n Klay]

Averaging 18 ppg in the Finals

Jordan wasn

[DaHeezy]

For me the it's the '94 Chicago Bulls team going 55-27 when he retired and being replaced by Pete Myers

Probably the biggest stain of any top 5 player all-time. No team missing a top 5 player should replicate the same regular season success

['Toine=MVP]

Jordan was 38 and 39 and coming off a huge layoff. If he had played all those extra seasons, he might have still been elite, but longevity isn't really a big deal in the all time great discussion anyway.

[superduper]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0e/5b/56/0e5b5638aa1685ff121e2951a3e80231.jpg

We still spewing huh? :roll:

Bran stans fabricating and manufacturing as usual. No one is shocked.

[superduper]

So 95% of your poll options are when MJ was rookie/sophomore or 40 years old and one is a blatant lie as proven in my post above.

Thank you, you proved to me Jordan's the undisputed GOAT :applause:

[Gileraracer]

Averaging 18 ppg in the Finals

:lol :lol :lol

/thread

[Gileraracer]

Missing the POs in his first two seasons. Getting swept in the finals twice.

[Rocket]

The biggest black mark on his career was the time he spent away from the league. Many people believe he was out of the league due to getting in trouble for gambling. The theory goes since he was the face of the NBA, Stern did not want to publicly punish him so his time away was his punishment and not really a retirement.

[warriorfan]

Op has black scuff marks all over his mom

[Kblaze8855]

Alex English?

[Dray n Klay]

Alex English?

Sorry, meant *George Gervin, who was even better

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Sorry, meant *George Gervin, who was even better

Not that year he wasn't.

Not even close really.

In other words? You failed. Miserably.

[Marchesk]

I don't see the option,

"Retired at his peak, missing out on the opportunity to win 8 titles in a row."

[PeroAntic]

When he got outscored in the finals by Jason Terry.

[Dray n Klay]

When he got outscored in the finals by Jason Terry.

He got locked down by a dude that was the same size in 1996

[PeroAntic]

He got locked down by a dude that was the same size in 1996
He was so locked he won a FMVP and a ring, you moron.

Also the dude that was the same size is one of the best defensive guards in history.

by the way, if Payton and Terry are the same because they are the same size, then Lebron is the same as Demarre Carroll. they are the same size after all you freaking mongoloid. Christ why aren't you banned yet, youre making this board unbearable just with your presence.

[bullettooth]

Payton is 6'4.

:lol

You ****ing retard.

[Young X]

You didn't even mention the real one...the 1995 comeback season. That's his black mark. He literally choked a playoff game away.

[Smoke117]

His baby dick.

[Gougou]

1. His playoff record before the 6-0 championship run.
2. His competition in the finals, (MJ faced old Magic Lakers team, old Drexler Portland team, Charles Sun, Malone/Stockton).

Meanwhile LBJ faced against a Spurs Dynasty team with Pop, 2012 Thunders (3 MVP on the team), 2013 Spurs, 2014 Spurs (Kawhi starts to become a star), 73-9 Warriors team, Warriors with Durant.

Maybe the 2 years retirement thing is blackmark, idk if that has any impact at all...

[coin24]

When he got outscored in the finals by Jason Terry.


Posted up and had his shit pushed in by Barea and Kidd:lol

[eliteballer]

The biggest black mark on his legacy is being compared to a juicer like LeROID James.

[BarberSchool]

Gambling on golf with mobsters, losing. Refusing to pay them. For MONTHS. Then his dad winds up dead. Pays them before it's his sons. On the court, the man doesn't have any significant black marks.

[BigShotBob]

Averaging 18 ppg in the Finals

:oldlol:

[Keno]

Winning 55 games without him, goes to show his impact. Also, the terrible being he is off the court.

[PP34Deuce]

Off the court Jordan has some dirt especially the reason he retired and his gambling with mob affiliates.

That's the only thing I can really see and its serious ish. There are videographers that will eventually bring it up. The supposed killer of his dads is 40 years old and says more happened.

[ImKobe]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/aka%20big%20choker/lebron_james_dirk_nowitzki_2011_final_nba.jpg

:roll: :roll:

[72-10]

Scoring 8 points in a Finals game.

Hersey Hawkins guarded Jordan more than Payton did in the 96 Finals.

Payton is probably the GOAT guard defensively.

Payton is 6-4, not 6-1.

Jordan relied on fadeaways in 96.

chip

[72-10]

No, this guy has never played basketball if he thinks Terry is half the defender Payton was.

[bigkingsfan]

Failing to make the varsity team.

[bullettooth]

Thread backfire.

Whoops!

[And1AllDay]

There were too many good ones to choose from :rockon:

[And1AllDay]

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]Jordan wasn

[72-10]

Wrekt him :oldlol:



Yeahhhh

I wonder if he came back in 1995 and lost in the 2nd round. Does anyone have Google to confirm this? :oldlol:

Interesting you should ask, the internet seemed to really kick into gear with MJ's return to professional basketball.

[And1AllDay]

Interesting you should ask, the internet seemed to really kick into gear with MJ's return to professional basketball.

Well, '96 was the 72-10 win season. Sorry bout that 73-9 tho

[72-10]

if that guy ain't a Haller, I don't know who is

[ballinhun8]

With the amount of alts OP has, I'm surprised there weren't more votes :roll: :roll: :roll:

[r0drig0lac]

I don't see the option,

"Retired at his peak, missing out on the opportunity to win 8 titles in a row."
this

[Boogey]

honestly there

[3ball]

honestly there’s no real black marks. But he def couldn’t win without pippin
No one can win without another star

And pippen < wade... and also Finals kyrie

pippen is easily the least star help of any dynasty

[DaHeezy]

No one can win without another star

And pippen < wade... and also Finals kyrie

pippen is easily the least star help of any dynasty

:roll:
Pippen EASILY over Wade or Kyrie if you want to WIN

Pippen impact = Kawhi Leonard.
Having that as your sidekick is better that one dimensional scorers. **** outta here with the Pippen hate.

[3ball]

:roll:
Pippen EASILY over Wade or Kyrie if you want to WIN

Pippen impact = Kawhi Leonard.
Having that as your sidekick is better that one dimensional scorers. **** outta here with the Pippen hate.
Pippen is kawhi without the offense

So not kawhi

Wade was closer to kawhi overall - better scorer than kawhi.. and all-nba defense in 2010, so lebron inherited an all-nba perimeter defender

Btw, Kyrie's 16' and 17' Finals are significantly better than any series pippen ever played.. not close tbh..

You guys overrate pippen.. NO ONE back then thought he was as good as new hoop fans do. And I'm not talking about some politically-correct compliment some coach once gave pippen..

[SomeBlackDude]

Pippen EASILY over Wade or Kyrie if you want to WIN


lol

https://i.postimg.cc/Wb8rjGvL/wade7-300-060620.jpg

[Young X]

:roll:
Pippen EASILY over Wade or Kyrie if you want to WIN

Pippen impact = Kawhi Leonard.
Having that as your sidekick is better that one dimensional scorers. **** outta here with the Pippen hate.What?

Wade won a championship and Finals MVP BEFORE LEBRON DID.

Lebron went to team up with Wade to WIN not the other way around.

You are an idiot.

[Manny98]

Too many i have to do a top 3

1. Winning 55 games without him. This is the worst as it proves MJs overall impact on his team wasn't that huge compared to other greats.
It also exposes how unfairly stacked his championship teams were

2. His 14th and 15th seasons. MJ had meh longevity only was elite for 13 seasons and failed to even make the playoffs in both of those years

LeBron otoh got to the finals in his 14th and 15th seasons and is playing at an MVP level in his 16th season

3. Never beating a atg team. He beat the Celtics (when they got old) He beat the Pistons on his 4th attempt (when they were no longer a Juggernaut) his finals competition was awful compared to other greats

Magic had to go through the badboys and the Celtics in there primes
Russell had to go through Wilt,West,Baylor ect

LeBron had to go through Duncans spurs,73 win Warriors, 3 headed monster thunder ect

Compare that 2 Jordans finals comp?
it's a joke tbh facing a team who's second scoring option is Jeff ****ing Hornacek really? That's the GOATs toughest finals competition? :facepalm

[SouBeachTalents]

:roll:
Pippen EASILY over Wade or Kyrie if you want to WIN

Pippen impact = Kawhi Leonard.
Having that as your sidekick is better that one dimensional scorers. **** outta here with the Pippen hate.
Kyrie, fine, but Wade? You pick Pippen over Wade if you want to win, calling him a one dimensional scorer

:roll: fcking retarded

[Dray n Klay]

Kyrie, fine, but Wade? You pick Pippen over Wade if you want to win, calling him a one dimensional scorer

:roll: fcking retarded


Wade missed the playoffs once LeBron left

Pippen was the #1 option on a contender

[Dray n Klay]

Too many i have to do a top 3

1. Winning 55 games without him. This is the worst as it proves MJs overall impact on his team wasn't that huge compared to other greats.
It also exposes how unfairly stacked his championship teams were

2. His 14th and 15th seasons. MJ had meh longevity only was elite for 13 seasons and failed to even make the playoffs in both of those years

LeBron otoh got to the finals in his 14th and 15th seasons and is playing at an MVP level in his 16th season

3. Never beating a atg team. He beat the Celtics (when they got old) He beat the Pistons on his 4th attempt (when they were no longer a Juggernaut) his finals competition was awful compared to other greats

Magic had to go through the badboys and the Celtics in there primes
Russell had to go through Wilt,West,Baylor ect

LeBron had to go through Duncans spurs,73 win Warriors, 3 headed monster thunder ect

Compare that 2 Jordans finals comp?
it's a joke tbh facing a team who's second scoring option is Jeff ****ing Hornacek really? That's the GOATs toughest finals competition? :facepalm

:eek:



Damn, never thought of it like that




Jordvestites exposed :eek:

[DaHeezy]

What?

Wade won a championship and Finals MVP BEFORE LEBRON DID.

Lebron went to team up with Wade to WIN not the other way around.

You are an idiot.

With Shaq you dumbass. What has he done minus Shaq and Lebron?

You have no clue about impact. No wonder you go around slurping these generic numbnuts who learn basketball through basketball-reference.com and SLAM magazine.

Learn context.

[Dray n Klay]

With Shaq you dumbass. What has he done minus Shaq and Lebron?

You have no clue about impact. No wonder you go around slurping these generic numbnuts who learn basketball through basketball-reference.com and SLAM magazine.

Learn context.

Got

[DaHeezy]

Kyrie, fine, but Wade? You pick Pippen over Wade if you want to win, calling him a one dimensional scorer

:roll: fcking retarded

What has Wade done without Shaq and Lebron? The two most impactful players of all-time?

What do you think Shaq and Lebron could do with Pippen? Multiple championships.

Who's had better success without a Jordan, Lebron, Shaq?

Yeah, not as stupid as you sound hey?

[DaHeezy]

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]Got

[DaHeezy]

Pippen is kawhi without the offense

So not kawhi

Wade was closer to kawhi overall - better scorer than kawhi.. and all-nba defense in 2010, so lebron inherited an all-nba perimeter defender

Btw, Kyrie's 16' and 17' Finals are significantly better than any series pippen ever played.. not close tbh..

You guys overrate pippen.. NO ONE back then thought he was as good as new hoop fans do. And I'm not talking about some politically-correct compliment some coach once gave pippen..

Lol. You VASTLY underrate Pippen. Kawhi Without the offense? Lol. Pippen is far more versatile offensively. He's the original point forward for crying out loud. He carried the Bulls to 55 wins putting Pete Myers on his back.

We all know you diminish Pippen so you can inflate the myth of Michael Jordan. No point even having this conversation. It's like trying to tell a Taylor Swifter that she's not that talented.

[3ball]

2. His 14th and 15th seasons. MJ had meh longevity only was elite for 13 seasons and failed to even make the playoffs in both of those years

LeBron otoh got to the finals in his 14th and 15th seasons and is playing at an MVP level in his 16th season


Who cares about longevity and a bunch of losing

I prefer my favorite player to 3-peat twice.... and so do you





LeBron had to go through Duncans spurs


No

Duncan had to go through lebron's stacked heat

the heat were the favored team with the stacked cast, not the Spurs, whose stars were also much older than the heat's





73 win warriors


And why couldn't lebron win 73 with kyrie/love, like curry did with klay/dray?..

ur literally complaining because lebron won less games and couldn't be the dominant favorite like curry... :facepalm .. lebron fans are sad





He beat the Pistons on his 4th attempt


Lebron is 1-4 versus the warriors, while MJ is 1-4 versus the Pistons

Except lebron had Finals teams that got blown away and swept, while MJ had 6 seeds that nearly won





He beat the Pistons on his 4th attempt (when they were no longer a Juggernaut) his finals competition was awful compared to other greats


Isiah was 29 years old in 1991, and Dumars 27... Rodman was 28

The story heading into the 1991 season was that the Pistons were favored to 3-peat:

http://articles.latimes.com/1990-10-28/sports/sp-4734_1_detroit-pistons


So MJ won as the underdog turned champion, while lebron won by landing on teams favored to win the Finals in year 1 (11', 15').. the Cavs were the favorites heading into 2015 (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2241463-nba-championship-odds-2014-15-every-teams-chances-of-winning-the-nba-title#slide0)





Too many i have to do a top 3

1. Winning 55 games without him. This is the worst as it proves MJs overall impact on his team wasn't that huge compared to other greats.
It also exposes how unfairly stacked his championship teams were


Where are the all-stars?

Where's the stacked team of talented players?

You're just making shit up - pippen was the only star... ur trying to act like 6th men and one-off "korver" all-star selections are stars, when every team has guys like this (12-13 ppg players).

Defensively, the bulls had pippen/rodman, but this was offset by zero rim protection, which many teams had at that time.. i.e. mutombo, Zo, Ewing, hakeem, DR, shaq
.

[TheCorporation]

Compare that 2 Jordans finals comp?
it's a joke tbh facing a team who's second scoring option is Jeff ****ing Hornacek really? That's the GOATs toughest finals competition? :facepalm

Yes, it's a sad thing for Jordan fans to admit but resident Jordan lover 3ball himself said that the Utah Jazz was Jordan's biggest Finals win ever. And we are talking about a Jazz team that has 2 Finals appearances together total (this is with PRIME Malone and Stockton for their entire careers) and the #2 option on this team was in fact Jeff Hornacek.

[3ball]

Yes, it's a sad thing for Jordan fans to admit but resident Jordan lover 3ball himself said that the Utah Jazz was Jordan's biggest Finals win ever. And we are talking about a Jazz team that has 2 Finals appearances together total (this is with PRIME Malone and Stockton for their entire careers) and the #2 option on this team was in fact Jeff Hornacek.
The Warriors' Finals comp is similarly "bad", because they're the only dominant team in the league, so they themselves are the only viable Finals comp, just like the bulls

This is incredibly intuitive, yet lebron fans struggle with it.. guess it's because the next logical question is "why didn't lebron ever have that dominant team instead of nearly always being the underdog??"

[DaHeezy]

The Warriors' Finals comp is similarly "bad", because they're the only dominant team in the league, so they themselves are the only viable Finals comp, just like the bulls

This is incredibly intuitive, yet lebron fans struggle with it.. guess it's because the next logical question is "why didn't lebron ever have that dominant team instead of nearly always being the underdog??"

That's an incredibly transparent take from a completely bias person.

[3ball]

That's an incredibly transparent take from a completely bias person.
You know what's biased?

You guys making excuses for lebron losing, and knocking MJ for winning

For example, lebron achieved the #62 offense all-time with wade/bosh

MJ achieved the #2 offense with pippen/grant...

This greater offense helped the bulls win more, yet MJ gets knocked for it, while lebron-ball's weaker offense is excused and he didn't have enough help.

It's ridiculous.. you guys will bring up defense, but that's only part of it - lebron-ball's VASTLY inferior offense is a major factor in his inferior teams, whether you like it or not

[DaHeezy]

You know what's biased?

You guys making excuses for lebron losing, and knocking MJ for winning

For example, lebron achieved the #62 offense all-time with wade/bosh

MJ achieved the #2 offense with pippen/grant...

This greater offense helped the bulls win more, yet MJ gets knocked for it, while lebron-ball's weaker offense is excused and he didn't have enough help.

It's ridiculous.. you guys will bring up defense, but that's only part of it - lebron-ball's VASTLY inferior offense is a major factor in his inferior teams, whether you like it or not

Lol, see how delusionaly bias you are? Who's "you guys?" I'm not a Lebron fan.

Lol, this is why you have no credibility

[3ball]

Lol, see how delusionaly bias you are? Who's "you guys?" I'm not a Lebron fan.

Lol, this is why you have no credibility
I have no credibility because i don't know who you stan?

That makes no sense... Which is standard for lebron fans (to make no sense)

And you are a lebron fan, otherwise you wouldn't be arguing for him itt