Remember when Kobe beat the Spurs all by himself?

[ImKobe]

with 0 all-star teammates & in 5 games no less

Why did Lebron get swept by the same Spurs team?

Lebron's 2nd option - 12.8 ppg 50%FG
Kobe's 2nd option - 13.2 ppg 44.6%FG

one team got swept and the other won in 5 games

Kobe - 29.2 ppg 53.3%FG
Lebron - 22.0 ppg 35.6%FG

Duncan against the Cavs - 18/12/4
Duncan against the Lakers - 22/17/5

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20Crazy%20Shot/z%20Comparison/T-MAC/n%20The%20Truth/kobemanu.gif

[Ghost1]

http://i.imgur.com/9q0bL0c.gif

[Mask the Embiid]

Remember when Kobe beat the Spurs all by himself?
with 0 all-star teammates & in 5 games no less
Nope...


https://media.giphy.com/media/14oVFEyyZxGaC4/giphy.gif

[aj1987]

with 0 all-star teammates & in 5 games no less

Why did Lebron get swept by the same Spurs team?

Lebron's 2nd option - 12.8 ppg 50%FG
Kobe's 2nd option - 13.2 ppg 44.6%FG

one team got swept and the other won in 5 games

Kobe - 29.2 ppg 53.3%FG
Lebron - 22.0 ppg 35.6%FG

Duncan against the Cavs - 18/12/4
Duncan against the Lakers - 22/17/5

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20Crazy%20Shot/z%20Comparison/T-MAC/n%20The%20Truth/kobemanu.gif
They weren't though, you lying little cuck. Brick played against the '08 Spurs and LeBron played against the '07 Spurs.

2007 Spurs:

ORtg - 5th in the League

DRtg - 2nd in the League

Team PPG - 15th in the League

Opp PPG - 1st in the League

SRS - #1

2008 Spurs:

ORtg - 15th in the League

DRtg - 3rd in the League

Team PPG - 28th in the League

Opp PPG - 3rd in the League

SRS - #7

[SpaceJam]

That's cute, Bron beat a 73-win team without all stars though

[ImKobe]

They weren't though, you lying little cuck. Brick played against the '08 Spurs and LeBron played against the '07 Spurs.

2007 Spurs:

ORtg - 5th in the League

DRtg - 2nd in the League

Team PPG - 15th in the League

Opp PPG - 1st in the League

SRS - #1

2008 Spurs:

ORtg - 15th in the League

DRtg - 3rd in the League

Team PPG - 28th in the League

Opp PPG - 3rd in the League

SRS - #7

Western Conference was more stacked in 08 & obviously Boston formed their team in 08. Despite all that the Spurs won 56 games and Duncan played much better against the Lakers than he did vs. Cavs.

So how come did the Lakers beat the Spurs in 5 games, despite Duncan being much better and completely destroying Gasol in the match-up?

The answer is: Kobe Bryant was much better than Lebron James, bringing the Lakers back from down 20 and taking over 4th quarters.

[aj1987]

Western Conference was more stacked in 08
Wait, what? The West was trash till '07 and suddenly got stacked? Is that the narrative that you're going to run with now? :facepalm


obviously Boston formed their team in 08.
And the Celtics play in the Eastern Conference. It literally has no bearing on the Spurs' DRtg and ORtg.


Despite all that the Spurs won 56 games
Also, this happened:

2007 Spurs:

ORtg - 5th in the League

DRtg - 2nd in the League

Team PPG - 15th in the League

Opp PPG - 1st in the League

SRS - #1

2008 Spurs:

ORtg - 15th in the League

DRtg - 3rd in the League

Team PPG - 28th in the League

Opp PPG - 3rd in the League

SRS - #7

Those are undeniable and irrefutable facts.


and Duncan played much better against the Lakers than he did vs. Cavs.]
Funny how you left out Duncan's percentages. Didn't suit your agenda?

Yeah, Duncan played better, but TP and Manu were significantly better.


So how come did the Lakers beat the Spurs in 5 games, despite Duncan being much better and completely destroying Gasol in the match-up?
Duncan destroyed Pau? Do you know what Big Z dropped on Duncan? A whopping 7.8 PPG on 35% shooting. The Spurs beat the Cavs because the Cavs were a shit team.


The answer is: Kobe Bryant was much better than Lebron James, bringing the Lakers back from down 20 and taking over 4th quarters.
The answer is: The '07 Spurs =/= '08 Spurs. Manu and TP played much better against the Cavs and the Lakers had a significantly better team.

You can cry all you want, but LeBron is a top 3 GOAT and Brick will soon get kicked out of the top 15 by Durant and Curry.

[ImKobe]

Wait, what? The West was trash till '07 and suddenly got stacked? Is that the narrative that you're going to run with now? :facepalm


Lakers improved and became the best team in the West from a 7th seed.
2007 you had five 50+ win teams, 2008 you had eight 50+ win teams, you needed 50 wins just to make the Playoffs as opposed to 42 the previous year, that's a huge improvement.

Teams like the Jazz & Hornets came of age and got better as Deron & Chris Paul continued to improve their games and obviously Melo came into his prime and that Nuggets team added AI, who was still playing at a very high level, posting his most efficient scoring season of his career. The 9th seed Warriors had 48 wins that season, but tell me that the West didn't get A LOT better.

Despite all that, the Spurs only won 2 less games than the year before, losing the 1st seed battle to the Lakers late in the season @Staples.

So obviously the Spurs' SRS dipped with how much better the Conference was, but they were still one game from being the #1 seed.

You can look at the Playoff numbers. Parker was better in 08, Duncan was on the same level overall but played miles better against the Lakers than he did vs. Cavs, Manu was better both in the RS and Playoffs.

I don't want to hear any more excuses from you. Talk about how poor Lebron was against the Spurs compared to Kobe.

[raprap]

Nope

[LAmbruh]

nope

[PJR]

What is even the point of this thread? Kobe has never beaten a team "By Himself" in his life (neither has LeBron for that matter) :oldlol: LeBron has won 4 League MVPS, 3 Finals MVP's and 3 championships. And he's still one of the 5 best players in the league at year 16. No one thinks Kobe is better than LeBron except retarded Laker/Kobe stans. Give it a rest.

[aj1987]

Lakers improved and became the best team in the West from a 7th seed.
2007 you had five 50+ win teams, 2008 you had eight 50+ win teams, you needed 50 wins just to make the Playoffs as opposed to 42 the previous year, that's a huge improvement.

Teams like the Jazz & Hornets came of age and got better as Deron & Chris Paul continued to improve their games and obviously Melo came into his prime and that Nuggets team added AI, who was still playing at a very high level, posting his most efficient scoring season of his career. The 9th seed Warriors had 48 wins that season, but tell me that the West didn't get A LOT better.

Despite all that, the Spurs only won 2 less games than the year before, losing the 1st seed battle to the Lakers late in the season @Staples.

So obviously the Spurs' SRS dipped with how much better the Conference was, but they were still one game from being the #1 seed.
The #1 seed in '08 would've been the #4 seed in '07.

Oh, and if a Melo who was older than LeBron just came into his prime in '08, what does that make LeBron?


You can look at the Playoff numbers. Parker was better in 08, Duncan was on the same level overall but played miles better against the Lakers than he did vs. Cavs, Manu was better both in the RS and Playoffs.
Manu in '07 vs the Cavs - 18/6/3/1 on 57% TS

Manu in '08 vs the Lakers - 13/3/3 on 53%


TP in '07 vs the Cavs - 25/5/3/1 on 60% TS

TP in '08 vs the Lakers - 19/4/6/1 on 52%

Both Manu and TP were significantly better vs the Cavs then they were against the Lakers.

The #2 on the Lakers was putting up 13/10/4/1/2 and the #3 was putting up 13/10/3/1.


I don't want to hear any more excuses from you. Talk about how poor Lebron was against the Spurs compared to Kobe.
I would, but they didn't play the same Spurs team. How difficult of a concept is that to understand? I don't want to hear any more asinine bullshit from you, comparing Kobe on a stacked team and LeBron playing with trash.

Besides you're comparing a 21 year old on a trash team to a dude in his absolute peak. Want to talk about how LeBron and Kobe did versus the Thunder?

While we're at it, lets also talk about how Brick missed the PO's during his PRIME. :confusedshrug:

[stalkerforlife]

Pop could easily game plan for Bran; he'd usually just play him straight up because he's not a great one on one player.

Pop had to double and triple Kobe.

This is when they still allowed a little defense.

[Marchesk]

What is even the point of this thread?

It's a response thread to Lebron beating the 2015 Hawks all by himself, while Jordan wasn't able to beat the 86 Celtics, all by himself, I guess.

:coleman:

[NBASTATMAN]

Lebron beat a 73 WIN team without another all star.. WE WIN :roll: :banana: :cheers:

[Ben Simmons 25]

You realize the Spurs aren't a static entity that produce the same amount every single year no matter what, right?

Not only that, lol @ Kobe beating the Spurs "by himself."

Ahh, this place is a dumpster fire.

[ImKobe]

The #1 seed in '08 would've been the #4 seed in '07.


That's the point. The competition in the WC was much tougher, hence the top seeds had less wins with all Playoff teams having 50+ wins, a very even, stacked Conference, hence the Spurs dropping in SRS and slightly in wins.

Look, you can make excuses for your king all you want, but he couldn't check Parker nor could he check Manu in 07 and it didn't help that he was anemic on offense as well.


You realize the Spurs aren't a static entity that produce the same amount every single year no matter what, right?

Not only that, lol @ Kobe beating the Spurs "by himself."

Ahh, this place is a dumpster fire.

So you don't think that the 08 Spurs were just as good as the 07 team? Because Parker and Ginobili both improved with Manu having the best RS of his career. They win 60+ games if Parker doesn't miss 13 games that season as well.

[Ben Simmons 25]

Oh and if you're talking about 2007, you're more retarded than I thought. 4th year LeBron is being compared to peak Kobe? Nevermind, the more I think about it, that actually DOES make sense.

[ImKobe]

Oh and if you're talking about 2007, you're more retarded than I thought. 4th year LeBron is being compared to peak Kobe? Nevermind, the more I think about it, that actually DOES make sense.

Lebron at age 22 vs Spurs - 22 ppg 35.6%FG
Kobe at age 22 vs Spurs - 33.3 ppg 51.4%FG

[warriorfan]

Oh and if you're talking about 2007, you're more retarded than I thought. 4th year LeBron is being compared to peak Kobe? Nevermind, the more I think about it, that actually DOES make sense.

I hate to say it but if LeBron gets a pass for being in his 4th year, then his ring in the 2012 lockout season loses more credibility as well considering Durant was only in his 4th season and Westbrook was only in his 3rd.


https://i.postimg.cc/9FkyNKhN/38-C3-AD9-E-1-CA7-44-A8-817-F-9-E2318-EBC47-A.jpg

[Hey Yo]

Lebron at age 22 vs Spurs - 22 ppg 35.6%FG
Kobe at age 22 vs Spurs - 33.3 ppg 51.4%FG
LeBron had himself as the franchise teammate at 22

Kobe had MDE as the franchise teammate at 22

[Hey Yo]

I hate to say it but if LeBron gets a pass for being in his 4th year, then his ring in the 2012 lockout season loses more credibility as well considering Durant was only in his 4th season and Westbrook was only in his 3rd.


https://i.postimg.cc/9FkyNKhN/38-C3-AD9-E-1-CA7-44-A8-817-F-9-E2318-EBC47-A.jpg
OKC had 3 All-NBA players plus 6MOTY

try again....

[ImKobe]

LeBron has himself as the franchise player at 22

Kobe has MDE as the franchise player at 22

Kobe vs Spurs - 33/7/7 57%TS 25.3 GmSc

"MDE the franchise player" - 27/13/3 55%TS 19.4 GmSc

[stalkerforlife]

I hate to say it but if LeBron gets a pass for being in his 4th year, then his ring in the 2012 lockout season loses more credibility as well considering Durant was only in his 4th season and Westbrook was only in his 3rd.


https://i.postimg.cc/9FkyNKhN/38-C3-AD9-E-1-CA7-44-A8-817-F-9-E2318-EBC47-A.jpg

They hate when you use their own arguments against them.

Soon, Orlando/Bill/Shogun/Ben will beg for you to get banned, but they'll just ban him again for being racist.

[3ball]

LeBron has himself as the franchise player at 22

Kobe has MDE as the franchise player at 22
Kobe played much better against the Spurs than lebron

Making excuses for age is weak..

lebron was in his 4th season - that's more than enough - so we're supposed to give lebron a pass for his first 2 years AND the next 2? So his first 4 years he gets a pass? gtfo.. lebron was horrible against the Spurs because he wasn't as good as kobe

[Hey Yo]

Kobe vs geriatric,wheelchair backcourt - 33/7/7 57%TS 25.3 GmSc

"MDE the franchise player against twin towers" - 27/13/3 55%TS 19.4 GmSc
fixed.

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe vs Spurs - 33/7/7 57%TS 25.3 GmSc

"MDE the franchise player" - 27/13/3 55%TS 19.4 GmSc

Yikes.

You keep shooting them in the face and they're mumbling more LeExcuses as they fall out and die.

[ImKobe]

Kobe played much better against the Spurs than lebron

Making excuses for age is weak..

lebron was in his 4th season - that's more than enough - so we're supposed to give lebron a pass for his first 2 years AND the next 2? So his first 4 years he gets a pass? gtfo.. lebron was horrible against the Spurs because he wasn't as good as kobe

MJ doesn't get a pass for going 1-9 in his first 3 years, but Lebron gets a pass for getting swept and putting up 22 ppg on 35.6%FG with almost 6 TOs a game :biggums: Lebron gets a pass for missing the Playoffs :biggums: Lebron gets a pass now for 2011 :biggums:

[stalkerforlife]

fixed.

Right on LeCue.

LeStory of his career.

[ArbitraryWater]

They weren't though, you lying little cuck. Brick played against the '08 Spurs and LeBron played against the '07 Spurs.

2007 Spurs:

ORtg - 5th in the League

DRtg - 2nd in the League

Team PPG - 15th in the League

Opp PPG - 1st in the League

SRS - #1

2008 Spurs:

ORtg - 15th in the League

DRtg - 3rd in the League

Team PPG - 28th in the League

Opp PPG - 3rd in the League

SRS - #7

Damn, thats a hard shut down

[Hey Yo]

Kobe played much better against the Spurs than lebron

Making excuses for age is weak..

lebron was in his 4th season - that's more than enough - so we're supposed to give lebron a pass for his first 2 years AND the next 2? So his first 4 years he gets a pass? gtfo.. lebron was horrible against the Spurs because he wasn't as good as kobe
I didn't bring up age, the Kobe guzzler did. All I did was provide facts.

If only LeBron got to face Avery Johnson and Terry Porter at their combined ages of 72. Then throw in 34yr old Danny Ferry every now and again.

So brutal for 2nd option Kobe.....:oldlol:

[72-10]

Yes, and I also remember all the times he chucked his team out of games.

[3ball]

Damn, thats a hard shut down
22 ppg on 36%

That's the only shutdown needed in this debate

That kind of performance can't be excused regardless of opponent, and it exposed lebron's weak jumpshot and inability to adjust to defenses - this continued for 4 more years in 2008-2011 playoffs, where he had horrible personal performance and/or upset loss each year

Only in recent years as the league softened the rules to allow record ortg and efficiency, has lebron posted his best playoff stats, despite declining athletically

[warriorfan]

OKC had 3 All-NBA players plus 6MOTY

try again....

Wrong. OKC and Heat both had 2 All NBA players.

www.basketballreference.com

I hope you made a mistake and are not resorting to making shit up and lying

[Hey Yo]

Wrong. OKC and Heat both had 2 All NBA players.

www.basketballreference.com

I hope you made a mistake and are not resorting to making shit up and lying
Didn't make a mistake, nor am I lying. Your link provides nothing.

http://www.nba.com/history/awards/all-nba-teams/

https://www.slamonline.com/archives/nba-announces-2011-12-all-defensive-teams/

Like I said, 3 All NBA players..... which includes a few tidbits I forgot.... runner-up for DPOY and league leader in blocks.

[FKAri]

No. I'll keep checking up on this thread to see if any proof of this emerges though.

[stalkerforlife]

Wrong. OKC and Heat both had 2 All NBA players.

www.basketballreference.com

I hope you made a mistake and are not resorting to making shit up and lying

Wow.

Brutal.

[Dray n Klay]

Kobe had a super team and got swept by the Spurs in 2013

[NBASTATMAN]

I didn't bring up age, the Kobe guzzler did. All I did was provide facts.

If only LeBron got to face Avery Johnson and Terry Porter at their combined ages of 72. Then throw in 34yr old Danny Ferry every now and again.

So brutal for 2nd option Kobe.....:oldlol:


The only SPURS team that The Lakers ever beat that had good talent and were healthy was the 2004 SPURS..

In 2008 Manu could barely play and was horrible in every game except game three.. In 2007 when Lebron and Cavs played a better spurs team Manu was fine and Lebron's starting two guard Hughes was out with an ankle fracture.

[NBASTATMAN]

22 ppg on 36%

That's the only shutdown needed in this debate

That kind of performance can't be excused regardless of opponent, and it exposed lebron's weak jumpshot and inability to adjust to defenses - this continued for 4 more years in 2008-2011 playoffs, where he had horrible personal performance and/or upset loss each year

Only in recent years as the league softened the rules to allow record ortg and efficiency, has lebron posted his best playoff stats, despite declining athletically


Kobe was worse in 2000 and in 2004 .. When you consider he had the MOST DOMINANT PLAYER EVER playing with him it becomes laughable.. :roll:

I dont bring up MJ cuz IMO he is the GOAT.. :bowdown:

And I use Kobe cuz its so easy to shit on him. :roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

Damn, reminds me of when Shaq won the Finals by himself with his 2nd option averaging a pathetic 16 ppg on 37%

[aj1987]

That's the point. The competition in the WC was much tougher, hence the top seeds had less wins with all Playoff teams having 50+ wins, a very even, stacked Conference, hence the Spurs dropping in SRS and slightly in wins.
Are you on crack or a cocktail of drugs? No one can honestly be as retarded as you. Even if you want to go on your insane ramblings about the WC becoming "much tougher" in just one year, all this still stands:

2007 Spurs:

ORtg - 5th in the League

DRtg - 2nd in the League

Team PPG - 15th in the League

Opp PPG - 1st in the League


2008 Spurs:

ORtg - 15th in the League

DRtg - 3rd in the League

Team PPG - 28th in the League

Opp PPG - 3rd in the League




Look, you can make excuses for your king all you want, but he couldn't check Parker nor could he check Manu in 07 and it didn't help that he was anemic on offense as well.
Look, you can try to hype up your choker all you want, but the FACT remains that he's a borderline top 15 player, while LeBron is a top 3 GOAT.

Fun Fact - The +/- stat that you love proves that Brick was a net negative defender throughout his career. Couldn't get out of the first round without a HOF big either.

[Skip_Bayless]

with 0 all-star teammates & in 5 games no less

Why did Lebron get swept by the same Spurs team?

Lebron's 2nd option - 12.8 ppg 50%FG
Kobe's 2nd option - 13.2 ppg 44.6%FG

one team got swept and the other won in 5 games

Kobe - 29.2 ppg 53.3%FG
Lebron - 22.0 ppg 35.6%FG

Duncan against the Cavs - 18/12/4
Duncan against the Lakers - 22/17/5

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20Crazy%20Shot/z%20Comparison/T-MAC/n%20The%20Truth/kobemanu.gif

Please stop comparing manufactured superstars (LeBron with twice as many finals loses as wins) that don't play a winning brand of basketball to those who do (3 rings as the man, one as the 1A / 1B, one as the sidekick)

It's just not fair and it causes people to catch feelings over it. Look at how many meltdowns you are causing. The meltdowns will be even worse once LeBron retires and "top 3" is never mentioned again in NBA history. It's all caught up in the moment feelings. People were saying Kobe was better than MJ back in the day and look how that turned out. People saying LBJ is better than Kobe will go through the same realization after they are no longer caught up in the moment. Both have 3 rings as the man, yet Kobe has another ring as the 1B option and yet another one as the side kick. He's just a better winner than LeBron on the finals stage, period much like Duncan is a better winner than LeBron. It's just a bunch of caught up in the moment nonsense over a 6 time NBA finals choker. Nothing more.

[aj1987]

Please stop comparing manufactured superstars (LeBron with twice as many finals loses as wins) that don't play a winning brand of basketball to those who do (3 rings as the man, one as the 1A / 1B, one as the sidekick)

It's just not fair and it causes people to catch feelings over it. Look at how many meltdowns you are causing. The meltdowns will be even worse once LeBron retires and "top 3" is never mentioned again in NBA history. It's all caught up in the moment feelings. People were saying Kobe was better than MJ back in the day and look how that turned out. People saying LBJ is better than Kobe will go through the same realization after they are no longer caught up in the moment. Both have 3 rings as the man, yet Kobe has another ring as the 1B option and yet another one as the side kick. He's just a better winner than LeBron on the finals stage, period much like Duncan is a better winner than LeBron. It's just a bunch of caught up in the moment nonsense over a 6 time NBA finals choker. Nothing more.
What a meltdown. Brick is a couple to tiers below LeBron. Deal with it.


BTW, did your egokiller account get banned as well, bitch boy?

[DaHeezy]

Please stop comparing manufactured superstars (LeBron with twice as many finals loses as wins) that don't play a winning brand of basketball to those who do (3 rings as the man, one as the 1A / 1B, one as the sidekick)

.

:lol:

Says the guy who just replied to 3 threads (maybe more) with his feeling hurt over Lebron. Some in threads that don't even include Lebron!

The hypocrisy of this dude is epic!

[rmt]

Spurs' Ginobili says he needs surgery on ankle

The injury hobbled Ginobili during the NBA playoffs, particularly during the Western Conference finals against the Los Angeles Lakers, when his signature explosiveness was visibly absent. Ginobili led the Spurs in scoring last season and won the league's sixth man award.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700254785/Spurs-Ginobili-says-he-needs-surgery-on-ankle.html

[3ball]

Show me where lebron repeatedly posterizes multiple all-time bigs in the same game, or against paints this packed - Kobe is amazing, better than anything I've seen from bron:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=olHHSKDZToE


Lebron has simply never played that good or skilled, or faced packed paints like that.. Kobe would have a field day in today's JV version of the game (spacing, hands-off D)

[Walk on Water]

What is even the point of this thread? Kobe has never beaten a team "By Himself" in his life (neither has LeBron for that matter) :oldlol: LeBron has won 4 League MVPS, 3 Finals MVP's and 3 championships. And he's still one of the 5 best players in the league at year 16. No one thinks Kobe is better than LeBron except retarded Laker/Kobe stans. Give it a rest.


You’re wrong. I’m not a Kobe Stan and I think he’s better. Skip Bayless thinks Kobe is better. 50 cent too. Even Michael Jordan.

[egokiller]

Lestans are some of the dumbest fans I

[Walk on Water]

[QUOTE=egokiller]Lestans are some of the dumbest fans I

[Skip_Bayless]

Will he even be on the top 10 list after he retires? Again, this is a man who's entire career has been based on throwing teammates under the bus.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6gE41qvXLMtmiUXC/giphy.gif

[aj1987]

[QUOTE=egokiller]Lestans are some of the dumbest fans I

[And1AllDay]

Lebron beat a 73 WIN team without another all star.. WE WIN :roll: :banana: :cheers:

https://i.postimg.cc/W4myQDLz/The-block-Lebron.jpg

[bullettooth]

https://i.postimg.cc/W4myQDLz/The-block-Lebron.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/KzTx2hn9/lebron-goat-loser.jpg