The League needs a Fresh Superstar

[Angel Face]

LeBron is probably the most boring Superstar ever. The guy keeps on dumping shit competition as his gateway to the Finals, only to lose on the biggest stage.
Lebron

[MrFonzworth]

Nice hot take weaboo.

[keep-itreal]

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5c206de0630d9b648567e9b6-750-375.jpg

[G0ATbe]

You'll grow to hate that player as well when he's being argued better than MJ like Bron. :cheers:

[kennethgriffen]

Doncic can be that guy... he's basically larry bird reincarnated


he just needs a more mainstream acceptable nickname

[FKAri]

Have you seen how shit the players MJ was going up against were? Dumb fukcin nigguhs making dumb ass threads I swear.

[Skip_Bayless]

You'll grow to hate that player as well when he's being argued better than MJ like Bron. :cheers:

This next player hopefully won't collude and play in a weak conference for all his trips to the finals. That's all that needs to happen along with this player going up against the high level of comp that MJ went up against along with a rule change that actually allows for defense for people to root him on to be come just as good as MJ or better.

[sammichoffate]

https://andoutcomethetimberwolves.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/wiggins-smile1.jpg

[bigkingsfan]

https://s3.amazonaws.com/kulturehub/uploads/2018/08/lebron-james-jr-kulture-hub-770x385.jpg

[bullettooth]

You'll grow to hate that player as well when he's being argued better than MJ like Bron. :cheers:

LOL, way to lie to yourself. Nobody will have an issue when there's a clear cut superior player to MJ. Unfortunately for you, that guy ain't LeBron... 3/9 loser. GTFO here.

[Skip_Bayless]

LOL, way to lie to yourself. Nobody will have an issue when there's a clear cut superior player to MJ. Unfortunately for you, that guy ain't LeBron... 3/9 loser. GTFO here.

:roll:

And the best part is that he knows this is true.

[G0ATbe]

LOL, way to lie to yourself. Nobody will have an issue when there's a clear cut superior player to MJ. Unfortunately for you, that guy ain't LeBron... 3/9 loser. GTFO here.
You Michael disciples can lie to yourselves all you want but it's obvious your minds are and always will be made up on who's GOAT. It's human nature for old heads to think their generation is the best, you people won't change years from now:lol . LeBron will be considered the consensus GOAT as he should be when the 90s gen fades and dies off and the 2000s-2010s gen take full control of the narrative.

[E_Stamkos]

https://s3.amazonaws.com/kulturehub/uploads/2018/08/lebron-james-jr-kulture-hub-770x385.jpg

Would be epic.

Especially if he's a purse wearing doucher like his daddy.

[Anti Vida]

You Michael disciples can lie to yourselves all you want but it's obvious your minds are and always will be made up on who's GOAT. It's human nature for old heads to think their generation is the best, you people won't change years from now:lol . LeBron will be considered the consensus GOAT as he should be when the 90s gen fades and dies off and the 2000s-2010s gen take full control of the narrative.

Americans believe Abe Lincoln is the GOAT president. That is Michael Jordan's position in basketball. Nobody in a century and a half has lived under Lincoln's tenure but he still ranks as the GOAT. That's what MJ is to the NBA, he did too much in less time than everyone else and set the bar, the gold standard. Lebron can never outdo him. He needs at least 3 more titles, 9 more scoring titles, 3 more steals titles, 1 DPOY, and more All NBA teams. Creating the superteam era and team hopping/player movement is lebron's legacy.

He is a top 10 player, but he won't ever be GOAT. you can't win 1/3rd of the time, go to more finals and come up with only half the titles and FMVPs are the current GOAT/gold standard. You have to make a new standard which he hasn't.

[warriorfan]

Americans believe Abe Lincoln is the GOAT president. That is Michael Jordan's position in basketball. Nobody in a century and a half has lived under Lincoln's tenure but he still ranks as the GOAT. That's what MJ is to the NBA, he did too much in less time than everyone else and set the bar, the gold standard. Lebron can never outdo him. He needs at least 3 more titles, 9 more scoring titles, 3 more steals titles, 1 DPOY, and more All NBA teams. Creating the superteam era and team hopping/player movement is lebron's legacy.

He is a top 10 player, but he won't ever be GOAT. you can't win 1/3rd of the time, go to more finals and come up with only half the titles and FMVPs are the current GOAT/gold standard. You have to make a new standard which he hasn't.

Very high iq post

[FKAri]

Americans believe Abe Lincoln is the GOAT president. That is Michael Jordan's position in basketball. Nobody in a century and a half has lived under Lincoln's tenure but he still ranks as the GOAT. That's what MJ is to the NBA, he did too much in less time than everyone else and set the bar, the gold standard. Lebron can never outdo him. He needs at least 3 more titles, 9 more scoring titles, 3 more steals titles, 1 DPOY, and more All NBA teams. Creating the superteam era and team hopping/player movement is lebron's legacy.

He is a top 10 player, but he won't ever be GOAT. you can't win 1/3rd of the time, go to more finals and come up with only half the titles and FMVPs are the current GOAT/gold standard. You have to make a new standard which he hasn't.
That's one way of looking at it but I'd rather just look at pure ability.

You need to be a better basketball player than MJ in his prime to be The GOAT. Too bad the media and fans think collecting hardware without actually improving as a player is somehow bringing LeBron closer to MJ. It's not. It's a subjective debate. Stats, scoring titles, even rings are a result of greatness. How you play is actual greatness. At least in basketball where the sample size of play is large enough.

[Uncle Drew]

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5c206de0630d9b648567e9b6-750-375.jpg
He

[FireDavidKahn]

It's Luka.

Luka is going to become the global face of the NBA.

[FireDavidKahn]

[QUOTE=Uncle Drew]He

[scuzzy]

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5c206de0630d9b648567e9b6-750-375.jpg
this is scary

[egokiller]

Americans believe Abe Lincoln is the GOAT president. That is Michael Jordan's position in basketball. Nobody in a century and a half has lived under Lincoln's tenure but he still ranks as the GOAT. That's what MJ is to the NBA, he did too much in less time than everyone else and set the bar, the gold standard. Lebron can never outdo him. He needs at least 3 more titles, 9 more scoring titles, 3 more steals titles, 1 DPOY, and more All NBA teams. Creating the superteam era and team hopping/player movement is lebron's legacy.

He is a top 10 player, but he won't ever be GOAT. you can't win 1/3rd of the time, go to more finals and come up with only half the titles and FMVPs are the current GOAT/gold standard. You have to make a new standard which he hasn't.

Stop shitting all over the letard's agenda. They can't handle these truths. :applause:

[Uncle Drew]

League aint saving the Cavs anymore:lol

They got some pity great draft picks because a prime Lebron left them. Now the league has no reason to prop up Cleveland and it'll fall back to mediocrity.

Perfect spot for Zion is Phoenix.
We getting Zion boy, just watch.

[jayfan]

A bit off topic, but...

The last several draft classes have been solid.

After this year, get ready to say goodbye to that hello to a regression back to 2000. The league will miss 1-and-done.

[HylianNightmare]

Luka...

[Walk on Water]

Americans believe Abe Lincoln is the GOAT president. That is Michael Jordan's position in basketball. Nobody in a century and a half has lived under Lincoln's tenure but he still ranks as the GOAT. That's what MJ is to the NBA, he did too much in less time than everyone else and set the bar, the gold standard. Lebron can never outdo him. He needs at least 3 more titles, 9 more scoring titles, 3 more steals titles, 1 DPOY, and more All NBA teams. Creating the superteam era and team hopping/player movement is lebron's legacy.

He is a top 10 player, but he won't ever be GOAT. you can't win 1/3rd of the time, go to more finals and come up with only half the titles and FMVPs are the current GOAT/gold standard. You have to make a new standard which he hasn't.


This.

[Hey Yo]

Americans believe Abe Lincoln is the GOAT president. That is Michael Jordan's position in basketball. Nobody in a century and a half has lived under Lincoln's tenure but he still ranks as the GOAT. That's what MJ is to the NBA, he did too much in less time than everyone else and set the bar, the gold standard. Lebron can never outdo him. He needs at least 3 more titles, 9 more scoring titles, 3 more steals titles, 1 DPOY, and more All NBA teams. Creating the superteam era and team hopping/player movement is lebron's legacy.

He is a top 10 player, but he won't ever be GOAT. you can't win 1/3rd of the time, go to more finals and come up with only half the titles and FMVPs are the current GOAT/gold standard. You have to make a new standard which he hasn't.
The gold standard is to quit the league in your prime? Get well rested up, heal and return almost 2yrs later with 17gms left, try to win a ring the cheapest way possible only to get beat in the 2nd round?

That's setting the bar and the gold standard?

[PP34Deuce]

To be the face of the NBA , you truly need immense talent, leadership, and a look with youth.

Steph Curry almost looked like he would be the face but the NBA is not going to pour millions into a guy who's peaked and is 31.

Same goes for Durant, Harden, and co.

Anthony Davis doesn't have the personality like a Shaq to be the face of the league.

Giannis has the freakish ability but lacks that personality and charisma.

As much as people hate Lebron, Lebron is charismatic and with dominant ability, actually is funny and extremely polarizing.

There really won't be a face of the NBA for a while because I don't even think 24-25 year old star players today can be that Kobe, Bron, MJ, etc...

[bullettooth]

Americans believe Abe Lincoln is the GOAT president. That is Michael Jordan's position in basketball. Nobody in a century and a half has lived under Lincoln's tenure but he still ranks as the GOAT. That's what MJ is to the NBA, he did too much in less time than everyone else and set the bar, the gold standard. Lebron can never outdo him. He needs at least 3 more titles, 9 more scoring titles, 3 more steals titles, 1 DPOY, and more All NBA teams. Creating the superteam era and team hopping/player movement is lebron's legacy.

He is a top 10 player, but he won't ever be GOAT. you can't win 1/3rd of the time, go to more finals and come up with only half the titles and FMVPs are the current GOAT/gold standard. You have to make a new standard which he hasn't.

:cheers:

[SouBeachTalents]

The gold standard is to quit the league in your prime? Get well rested up, heal and return almost 2yrs later with 17gms left, try to win a ring the cheapest way possible only to get beat in the 2nd round?

That's setting the bar and the gold standard?
No, it's averaging 18 ppg in the Finals and being a ghost in the 4th quarter

[Spurs m8]

LeBron literally is the most boring superstar ever....both on and off the court.

Thats because he was manufactured....

He should never even be spoken in the same sentence as Jordan...anyone around back in the 90s knows the difference between a real and fake superstar.

[PP34Deuce]

LeBron literally is the most boring superstar ever....both on and off the court.

Thats because he was manufactured....

He should never even be spoken in the same sentence as Jordan...anyone around back in the 90s knows the difference between a real and fake superstar.


When people that hate you talk about you more than those that like you..that speaks volumes to a players popularity. Keep it up.

[Uncle Drew]

Kawhit M8: ''LeBron literally is the most boring superstar ever....both on and off the court.''
Kawhit M8 as well: wastes 11.000 posts to said most boring superstar

:oldlol: I love this forum.

[SouBeachTalents]

When people that hate you talk about you more than those that like you..that speaks volumes to a players popularity. Keep it up.
For real, posters like him call LeBron boring yet spend all their time posting about him :lol

[knicksman]

To be the face of the NBA , you truly need immense talent, leadership, and a look with youth.

Steph Curry almost looked like he would be the face but the NBA is not going to pour millions into a guy who's peaked and is 31.

Same goes for Durant, Harden, and co.

Anthony Davis doesn't have the personality like a Shaq to be the face of the league.

Giannis has the freakish ability but lacks that personality and charisma.

As much as people hate Lebron, Lebron is charismatic and with dominant ability, actually is funny and extremely polarizing.

There really won't be a face of the NBA for a while because I don't even think 24-25 year old star players today can be that Kobe, Bron, MJ, etc...

LOL at charismatic. Theres a reason why ratings are down ever since they made lebron the face of the league.

[Spurs m8]

Kids these days....

[hold this L]

1. don t h i c c
2. zion

[PP34Deuce]

LOL at charismatic. Theres a reason why ratings are down ever since they made lebron the face of the league.

Hes known world wide just as much as any other face of the league. Jordan is another level. I dont compare popularity to Jordan and his perfect storm.

Trust me if there was another polarizing and charismatic player the league would have chose him. The league chose steph curry In 2015...lebron leading the cavs in 2016 ended currys face of the league push. Now they are monitoring giannis...

[knicksman]

Hes known world wide just as much as any other face of the league. Jordan is another level. I dont compare popularity to Jordan and his perfect storm.

Trust me if there was another polarizing and charismatic player the league would have chose him. The league chose steph curry In 2015...lebron leading the cavs in 2016 ended currys face of the league push. Now they are monitoring giannis...

Ratings went up when curry won then went down again when bron won.

[Wally450]

LeBron's just that much better than everybody, that's why they look like shit when they play him.

[SouBeachTalents]

Ratings went up when curry won then went down again when bron won.
http://www.nba.com/2016/news/06/20/game-7-nba-finals-highest-rated-game-ever-abc/

[knicksman]

http://www.nba.com/2016/news/06/20/game-7-nba-finals-highest-rated-game-ever-abc/

you really are a statnerd. LOL what a simpleton

[PP34Deuce]

Ratings went up when curry won then went down again when bron won.

Ratings skew so far year by year it's not the best indicator. 2 of the years kobe and Shaqs Lakers experienced low ratings. Curry and KD were dominant in 2018 yet no one cared.

[bullettooth]

Can we get someone who isn't trying to hide their baldness with some advanced combover?

[E_Stamkos]

this is scary

The fact that he's still going through the tides of puberty makes it all the more frightening

[knicksman]

Ratings skew so far year by year it's not the best indicator. 2 of the years kobe and Shaqs Lakers experienced low ratings. Curry and KD were dominant in 2018 yet no one cared.

the regular season ratings is the best indicator. Nobody cares about the nba nowadays.

[Smoke117]

Doncic can be that guy... he's basically larry bird reincarnated


he just needs a more mainstream acceptable nickname

When you're the reincarnation of a player you play nothing like. :rolleyes:

[FKAri]

Ratings went up when curry won then went down again when bron won.http://www.nba.com/2016/news/06/20/game-7-nba-finals-highest-rated-game-ever-abc/
you really are a statnerd. LOL what a simpleton
knicksman really is one DUMB ASS sunavabitch :oldlol:

[StrongLurk]

Bran has been a superstar for so long that he has made it boring...wow

[knicksman]

knicksman really is one DUMB ASS sunavabitch :oldlol:

last time I checked, my hero isnt 3/9.

[FKAri]

last time I checked, my hero isnt 3/9.
That's your defense when someone calls you a fkin idiot? A ****in basketball statistic?

[knicksman]

That's your defense when someone calls you a fkin idiot? A ****in basketball statistic?


why you mad brah? did 3/9 triggered you so hard?

[SouBeachTalents]

That's your defense when someone calls you a fkin idiot? A ****in basketball statistic?
:oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

LOL, way to lie to yourself. Nobody will have an issue when there's a clear cut superior player to MJ. Unfortunately for you, that guy ain't LeBron... 3/9 loser. GTFO here.


1/9 Pre Pippen

Good bye

[bullettooth]

1/9 Pre Pippen

Good bye

https://i.postimg.cc/xC8Q0t4Z/Screen-Shot-2019-01-14-at-11-35-09-PM.jpg

The only top 3 list LeBron is ever going to see.

[aj1987]

https://i.postimg.cc/xC8Q0t4Z/Screen-Shot-2019-01-14-at-11-35-09-PM.jpg

The only top 3 list LeBron is ever going to see.
Is Brick #12 in that list as well?

[egokiller]

1/9 Pre Pippen

Good bye

Much like Lebron being 1/9 without Kyrie and Ray allen hitting game winning finals shots that he could never demonstrate doing? 0/5 in finals game winners. At least Kobe has an excuse. He's hit 2 game winning/tying shots in the finals both resulting in wins for his team. MJ has what, 4 finals game winners?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Why was Kobe so good that he only lost 2 finals? Why did Lebron lose 3x as many finals?

[aj1987]

Much like Lebron being 1/9 without Kyrie and Ray allen hitting game winning finals shots that he could never demonstrate doing? 0/5 in finals game winners. At least Kobe has an excuse. He's hit 2 game winning/tying shots in the finals both resulting in wins for his team. MJ has what, 4 finals game winners?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Why was Kobe so good that he only lost 2 finals? Why did Lebron lose 3x as many finals?
Ordan never made it out of the first round without Pippen and was a career loser.

Even without Allen's shot (even if Allen missed, there was time and no guarantee of Spurs getting a rebound), LeBron would have 2 rings guaranteed (LeBron's FT/block and 11 points in the 4th and 8 straight in the 4th) sealed the game for the Cavs.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Ordan never made it out of the first round without Pippen and was a career loser.

Even without Allen's shot (even if Allen missed, there was time and no guarantee of Spurs getting a rebound), LeBron would have 2 rings guaranteed (LeBron's FT/block and 11 points in the 4th and 8 straight in the 4th) sealed the game for the Cavs.
Pippen wasn’t anything of significance in ‘88 and ‘89 though, the 1-9 is a ridiculously false narrative. Bulls went to the ECSF and ECF with him being an after thought role player.

And even discounting that that’s only 3 seasons. How is that a career loser? One man show going against top five team ever (individually demolishing them) and a quality Bucks teams? Umm ok.

Meanwhile LeBron very easily could be 1/9 in the Finals. And that is sans some of the suspect officiating in 2012 Finals. Should’ve lost in 2013 and probably 2016 as well. League assistance and Ray Allen reputation saving shot withstanding.

Mind you LeBron didn’t even make the playoffs his first two seasons ... so how is that better than 1/9?

[egokiller]

Ordan never made it out of the first round without Pippen and was a career loser.

Even without Allen's shot (even if Allen missed, there was time and no guarantee of Spurs getting a rebound), LeBron would have 2 rings guaranteed (LeBron's FT/block and 11 points in the 4th and 8 straight in the 4th) sealed the game for the Cavs.

The score was 95-92. If Allen doesn't hit that shot, he doesn't tie the game and the game is over. The Spurs don't need to get a rebound when they were already up in points, they just need time to run out. No one is making another shot when they already missed twice and even if they do, it's someone else other than Ray saving Lebron coming off a rebound and a kickout to someone else for ANOTHER 3 attempt? The ball is hitting the rim off an allen miss at 5 second mark at that point yet somehow Miami is going to be lucky enough to get 2 offensive rebounds back to back in the same play? :roll:

As for the Cavs, if Kyrie misses that shot, no way GSW remains scoreless. They score and win by either 2 or 3 points, becuase Lebron was so shook that he could only make 1/2 FT's. Therefore the Cavs lose. They were stuck at 89 for the last 4 minutes, largely because of Kyrie's 3 and K. Love's defense on a play when he shut down Curry.

Without Ray and Kyrie's shots which just so happen to be top 5 biggest shots in the history of the game, Lebron is 1/9. Without Pippen, MJ was so superior at the game of basketball compared to anyone else in the history of the game that he's guaranteed at least 2 rings. The end result is the same. in that MJ winds up with double the rings of Lebron. :applause:


Mind you LeBron didn’t even make the playoffs his first two seasons ... so how is that better than 1/9? Not only that, but MJ didn't even have an all-star and Lebron had all-star Z and still couldn't make the playoffs his first 2 years.

Lebron really is nothing compared to MJ when you take into account the full context of both of their careers.

[Smoke117]

1/9 Pre Pippen

Good bye

/thread

[And1AllDay]

Much like Lebron being 1/9 without Kyrie and Ray allen hitting game winning finals shots that he could never demonstrate doing? 0/5 in finals game winners. At least Kobe has an excuse. He's hit 2 game winning/tying shots in the finals both resulting in wins for his team. MJ has what, 4 finals game winners?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Why was Kobe so good that he only lost 2 finals? Why did Lebron lose 3x as many finals?

Did you just create a made up stat? :eek: Mental illness alert yikes

Here is a stat that is NOT made up:

Pre Pippen Jordan was 1-9 with 3x 1st round exits
yikes

Good thing someone saved his career or he wouldve been another Carmelo with a bunch of points and 1st round exits collected

[And1AllDay]

/thread

Yep :banana: They cant hide from Jordans 1-9 stain no matter how many dunk videos they YouTube of MJ dunking on Hornacek

[aj1987]

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Pippen wasn

[hiphopanonymous]

pound the ball on the perimeter as the shotclock drains while 4 players stand around waiting for a bullet bailout pass

[PP34Deuce]

I'm sorry but why are people debating on Bron and MJ when this post is clearly talking about the need for a fresh new superstar 2019 beyond.

I think the NBA is going to be in a weird spot for 5-6 years. Curry has the outside chance to be the face but the NBA tends to put marketing dollars and stuff into young phenoms.

Hence why I disqualify Harden, Curry, KD, and any super star nearing 30.

Bigs don't look like they will be handed the throne despite great talents in Embiid, AD, Jokic..

Honestly, NBA is praying for Zion Williamson to have at least a Blake Griffin type excitement to the game. Longevity is key.

[brutalBBQ]

Did you just create a made up stat? :eek: Mental illness alert yikes

Here is a stat that is NOT made up:

Pre Pippen Jordan was 1-9 with 3x 1st round exits
yikes

Good thing someone saved his career or he wouldve been another Carmelo with a bunch of points and 1st round exits collected

Jordans first 3 seasons made it to the Playoffs, LeBron didn't even make the playoffs his first 2 seasons.
For Jodan there were players in his team with known drug addictions and in Jordans second season he missed the majority of it with a broken foot.

Anyways back on topic, MJ was one of a kind, we maybe old men before we see an individual talented enough to surpass him.

[superduper]

Jordans first 3 seasons made it to the Playoffs, LeBron didn't even make the playoffs his first 2 seasons.
For Jodan there were players in his team with known drug addictions and in Jordans second season he missed the majority of it with a broken foot.

Anyways back on topic, MJ was one of a kind, we maybe old men before we see an individual talented enough to surpass him.

Wait... running away to multiple top 5-10 PER players in the league and throwing visible tantrums on the court demanding mid season overhauls every single season crying for moar halp doesn't make someone the GOAT?

.....Le...GOAT :(

[Stephonit]

Best prospects I see currently are Doncic and Embiid. Downside is they aren't American American. Maybe Zion. Giannis and Davis don't do it for me but I'm willing to be surprised if they can develop further.

[PP34Deuce]

Best prospects I see currently are Doncic and Embiid. Downside is they aren't American American. Maybe Zion. Giannis and Davis don't do it for me but I'm willing to be surprised if they can develop further.


Knowing the NBA, I just don't see Embiid Giannis or Davis being the face. They are going to want a guy who's a bondafide superstar between 19-24 that gains attention outside basketball.

Doncic isn't american but he relates to a demographic. he has a game where he can have the ball in his hands a lot and make huge plays.

Ultimately I think the face of the NBA isn't in the league yet.