Why couldn't Lebron get past Dwight Howard in the eastern playoffs?

[Mr. Jabbar]

:(

[bigkingsfan]

https://www.si.com/sites/default/files/2013/06/dwight-howard-stay-with-lakers.jpg

[Mr. Jabbar]

Why couldn't Lebron get past Dwight Howard in the eastern playoffs?

[coin24]

His SDS flared up

[egokiller]

Not enough help. What matters most is what you do on the biggest stage when you had enough help to get you there.

3/9

It

[Mr. Jabbar]

[QUOTE=egokiller]Not enough help. What matters most is what you do on the biggest stage when you had enough help to get you there.

3/9

It

[Duncan21formvp]

Still wondering that. And he lost with HCA to him at that with Dwight missing his #2 option.

[Real14]

crazy to think its 1/9 without the 2 greatest shots in finals history
Even 2012 was bullshit when the LeRefs did Durant dirty at the end of game 2 plus it's a lockout season :lol

[ImKobe]

crazy to think its 1/9 without the 2 greatest shots in finals history

Boston probably beats them in 2012 if it's a normal season and not 66 games in 4 months with B2B2Bs and 4 games in 5 nights type of bullshit. Heck, Lakers probably make it back to the Finals against Boston if Kobe had time to recover from his injuries that season instead of playing 4 games in 5 nights with a bad ankle and shit. Look at how well he started that year and how he backed into the Playoffs while playing hurt.

[jstern]

I don't understand how a team that's good enough to win 66 games can just choke against Dwight Howard.

[Walk on Water]

Why is Lebron struggling to make the playoffs in the West?

[sportjames23]

I don't understand how a team that's good enough to win 66 games can just choke against Dwight Howard.

It's puzzling for sure.

[FKAri]

The Magic went nuts from 3 that entire East run. It was quite improbable and sadly they duped a buncha teams into giving those players big contracts next season.

[And1AllDay]

https://i.postimg.cc/W4myQDLz/The-block-Lebron.jpg

[aj1987]

The same reason why Brick couldn't get out of the first round or make the PO's without Shaq/Pau.

[And1AllDay]

2007: Finals
2008: No
2009: No
2010: No
2011: Finals
2012: Finals
2013: Finals
2014: Finals
2015: Finals
2016: Finals
2017: Finals
2018: Finals

I think he did alright :oldlol:

[jstern]

2007: Finals
2008: No
2009: No
2010: No
2011: Finals
2012: Finals
2013: Finals
2014: Finals
2015: Finals
2016: Finals
2017: Finals
2018: Finals

I think he did alright :oldlol:

Except that the East has been utter garbage for the past 20 years. Which explains Lebron's 3-6 Finals record. (Not good enough, should not have been in the Finals in the first place). So again, how could he lose to Dwight Howard with a 66 win team?

[aj1987]

Except that the East has been utter garbage for the past 20 years. Which explains Lebron's 3-6 Finals record. (Not good enough, should not have been in the Finals in the first place). So again, how could he lose to Dwight Howard with a 66 win team?
How did the Mavs as a 67 win team lose to a 42 win team? How did Duncan as the #1 seed lost to a #8 seed?

This has been explained multiple times. The Cavs outside LeBron were utter trash. The bigs on the Cavaliers couldn't defend their own shadow, let alone Dwight, who massacred them.

[RRR3]

LeBron should have averaged 50/20/20 in that series according to LeBron haters.

[jstern]

How did the Mavs as a 67 win team lose to a 42 win team? How did Duncan as the #1 seed lost to a #8 seed?

This has been explained multiple times. The Cavs outside LeBron were utter trash. The bigs on the Cavaliers couldn't defend their own shadow, let alone Dwight, who massacred them.

They all choked. If the GOAT is on a 66 win team, then he shouldn't be losing to Dwight Howard as the heavy favorite. The Lebron stans can make all the excuses they want with the typical "all blame goes to Lebron's teammates, he needs more help", but the sum total still equals 66 wins.

Maybe if Lebron was more capable of adjusting to the players on his team, rather than stacking up stats with Lebron ball, the he would have better results against tougher teams.

[aj1987]

They all choked. If the GOAT is on a 66 win team, then he shouldn't be losing to Dwight Howard as the heavy favorite. The Lebron stans can make all the excuses they want with the typical "all blame goes to Lebron's teammates, he needs more help", but the sum total still equals 66 wins.

Maybe if Lebron was more capable of adjusting to the players on his team, rather than stacking up stats with Lebron ball, the he would have better results against tougher teams.
You can make all the excuses you want for 1-9, but if Ordan was more capable of adjusting to the players on his team, rather than stacking up stats with Ordan ball, then he would have better results against tougher teams.

:cheers:

[Gileraracer]

2007: Finals Swept
2008: No
2009: No
2010: No
2011: Finals LOST
2012: Finals Lockout season
2013: Finals Allen bailout
2014: Finals LOST
2015: Finals LOST
2016: Finals Kyrie bailout
2017: Finals LOST
2018: Finals Swept

I think he did alright :oldlol:

He did alright :lol

[sportjames23]

You can make all the excuses you want for 1-9, but if Ordan was more capable of adjusting to the players on his team, rather than stacking up stats with Ordan ball, then he would have better results against tougher teams.

:cheers:

He actually did, but you're just trolling.

Now, your boy had home court advantage against Dwight and what did he do? Yeah, he lost.

Know what MJ never did? That's right, he never lost with home court advantage.

[Manny98]

Ask his garbage can teammates for making him lose

[coin24]

He did alright :lol


:lol :lol

[Manny98]

2007: Finals
2008: No
2009: No
2010: No
2011: Finals
2012: Finals
2013: Finals
2014: Finals
2015: Finals
2016: Finals
2017: Finals
2018: Finals

I think he did alright :oldlol:
:bowdown: :bowdown:

[Skip_Bayless]

1/9 when you remove 2 of the greatest shots in NBA history. And that is with him picking his own teammates. So either LBJ is shit when it comes to picking teammates, or his teammates don't give him enough help. Which one is it? Good luck trying to explain that one. :roll:

[Mr. Jabbar]

1/9 when you remove 2 of the greatest shots in NBA history. And that is with him picking his own teammates. So either LBJ is shit when it comes to picking teammates, or his teammates don't give him enough help. Which one is it? Good luck trying to explain that one. :roll:

Yikes!

[superduper]

LeBron should have averaged 50/20/20 in that series according to LeBron haters.

It's not about the fking stats.

This is what Bran stans will NEVER comprehend :facepalm

True basketball impact is NOT encapsulated by stats and never will be.

[warriorfan]

He did alright :lol

lol




LeBron had home court advantage, huge odds to win in Vegas, Dwight

[Gileraracer]

LeBron should have averaged 50/20/20 in that series according to LeBron haters.

That's bullshit. If his style of play didn't diminish his teammates abilities, 25/575 probably would've been enough.

But holding the ball for 14 minutes per game simply doesn't let your teammates get into a rythm

[SouBeachTalents]

It's not about the fking stats.

This is what Bran stans will NEVER comprehend :facepalm

True basketball impact is NOT encapsulated by stats and never will be.
This coming from the guy who said Big Z was as good as Gasol based strictly on statistical output :oldlol:

[superduper]

This coming from the guy who said Big Z was as good as Gasol based strictly on statistical output :oldlol:

If you couldn't tell that Bran stan logic was being used against them I dunno what to tell you

[Mr. Jabbar]

unsolved mysteries

[superduper]

Please...

This is a very sensitive topic for us...

Le....GOAT :(

[RRR3]

This coming from the guy who said Big Z was as good as Gasol based strictly on statistical output :oldlol:
Superduperdumb :lol

[knicksman]

it takes a special kind of loser to lose to Dwight. No wonder he has to form superteams coz losing to Dwight is just too much. :lol

[Doranku]

I really hated LeBron for this series. Bought tickets for Cavs playoff home game X (can't remember the #) at the beginning of the series which would have either been Game 7 against Orlando, or game 1/2 of the NBA finals against the Lakers.

Of course this ****** loses in 6 games. :facepalm

[RRR3]

I really hated LeBron for this series. Bought tickets for Cavs playoff home game X (can't remember the #) at the beginning of the series which would have either been Game 7 against Orlando, or game 1/2 of the NBA finals against the Lakers.

Of course this ****** loses in 6 games. :facepalm
Blame the rest of the Cavs, not LeBron.

Statistically one of the very best series he ever had with multiple clutch moments.

[egokiller]

How many times does it have to be repeated for lefail stans to realize that if you insert any other superstar, they put up the same numbers as bron WHILE the rest of the team also does better. :oldlol:

That's the difference between lebron ball and team ball. With lebron ball, he gets his, but as a result of the team losing. With team ball, someone puts up similar numbers while the team wins. He's a cancer. Always has been, always will be.

[aj1987]

He actually did, but you're just trolling.

Now, your boy had home court advantage against Dwight and what did he do? Yeah, he lost.

Know what MJ never did? That's right, he never lost with home court advantage.
No.. He was a career loser, who couldn't get out of the first round until the Bulls got Pippen. :confusedshrug:

[And1AllDay]

2007: Finals
2008: No
2009: No
2010: No
2011: Finals
2012: Finals
2013: Finals
2014: Finals
2015: Finals
2016: Finals
2017: Finals
2018: Finals

I think he did alright

Or I guess you thinks this is better

1988: 1st round exit
1989: 1st round exit
1990: 1st round exit
1991: Finals
1992: Finals
1993: Finals
1994: quits lol baseball
1995: 2nd round exit
1996: Finals
1997: Finals
1998: Finals
1999: lol quits
2002: misses playoffs
2003: misses playoffs

[And1AllDay]

No.. He was a career loser, who couldn't get out of the first round until the Bulls got Pippen. :confusedshrug:

Exactly, its a very simple cause and effect peeps just dont wanna admit.Thed rather be youtube MJ fans and watch dunk highlights than face facts


Easy to understand MJ career Flowchart

Does MJ have Pippen Yet?
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Here have some rings

[Mr. Jabbar]

http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/LeBron+James+Dwight+Howard+Orlando+Magic+v+hy29QPR bayHl.jpg

[And1AllDay]

No.. He was a career loser, who couldn't get out of the first round until the Bulls got Pippen. :confusedshrug:

I found this flowchart, wow is this true?


Easy to understand MJ career Flowchart

Does MJ have Pippen Yet?
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Here have some rings

[Mr. Jabbar]

https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JhtKtDWYNKdRpoA/giphy.gif

[And1AllDay]

https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JhtKtDWYNKdRpoA/giphy.gif


I found this flowchart, wow is this true?


Easy to understand MJ career Flowchart

Does MJ have Pippen Yet?
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No
Yes
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Here have some rings

[knicksman]

I found this flowchart, wow is this true?


Easy to understand MJ career Flowchart

Does MJ have Pippen Yet?
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Here have some rings

this is not about mj..

this is about lebron so again

https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JhtKtDWYNKdRpoA/giphy.gif

[Mr. Jabbar]

https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JhtKtDWYNKdRpoA/giphy.gif

:roll:

[Mr. Jabbar]

https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JhtKtDWYNKdRpoA/giphy.gif

[superduper]

https://i.imgur.com/pPdNZ3c.jpg

[Rico2016]

What is so hard to answer about this question? Lebron was a killer, putting up 39-8-8 on 49% but it wasnt enough because his team sucked.

[ImKobe]

What is so hard to answer about this question? Lebron was a killer, putting up 39-8-8 on 49% but it wasnt enough because his team sucked.

yet he goes from 39/8/8 to 25/7/7 on 40% in elimination :lol

[Rico2016]

yet he goes from 39/8/8 to 25/7/7 on 40% in elimination :lol

:lol Dat choke job

[Hey Yo]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/56/ed/b3/56edb334d22c8e747d1a6526da272d76.jpg

https://www.si.com/sites/default/files/2013/06/dwight-howard-stay-with-lakers.jpg

[SouBeachTalents]

yet he goes from 39/8/8 to 25/7/7 on 40% in elimination :lol
Kobe's elimination game numbers for his entire CAREER are worse than that :lol

[3ball]

What is so hard to answer about this question? Lebron was a killer, putting up 39-8-8 on 49% but it wasnt enough because his team sucked.
His team sucked?

They won 66 games with the 1 seed, and were the favorites to win the Finals heading into the playoffs, including massive +550 favorites to beat the Magic.. so they didn't lose to favored talent; they lost to superior teamwork

Btw, we know lebron didn't drag his team more than other greats because he only averaged 28/8/7 - his 28/8/7 yielded 66 wins, while jordan's 33/8/8 yielded 47 wins in 89'. The only way lebron's lesser stats yielded 19 more wins is a better cast...

And MJ's 37/5/5 yielded 42 wins in 87'..... or 35/6/6/dpoy yielded 50 wins in 88'.... MJ simply had a worse cast, so he needed to do more...

heck, lebron missed the playoffs in 05' with a 2-time all-star center and had another all-star in 09' when he was upset by the magic.. MJ never had any all-star teammates until 90'... It's unfortunate that people compare mj's low seeds from 85-89' to lebron's high seeds from 06-10', when they compare more to lebron's 9 seeds in 04' and 05'..

[Hey Yo]

His team sucked?

They won 66 games with the 1 seed, and were the favorites to win the Finals heading into the playoffs, including massive +550 favorites to beat the Magic.. so they didn't lose to favored talent; they lost to superior teamwork

Btw, we know lebron didn't drag his team more than other greats because he only averaged 28/8/7 - his 28/8/7 yielded 66 wins, while jordan's 33/8/8 yielded 47 wins in 89'. The only way lebron's lesser stats yielded 19 more wins is a better cast...

And MJ's 37/5/5 yielded 42 wins in 87'..... or 35/6/6/dpoy yielded 50 wins in 88'.... MJ simply had a worse cast, so he needed to do more...

heck, lebron missed the playoffs in 05' with a 2-time all-star center and had another all-star in 09' when he was upset by the magic.. MJ never had any all-star teammates until 90'... It's unfortunate that people compare mj's low seeds from 85-89' to lebron's high seeds from 06-10', when they compare more to lebron's 9 seeds in 04' and 05'..
ah...ah ...ah.... we already covered this the other day.

You said Atlanta's first time All-Star players in 2015 didn't really count as All-Stars.... so that means last second replacement, first timer Mo Williams certainly wasn't a real All-Star in 2009.

Don't be flip floppin', chico

[Ainosterhaspie]

Dwight was an elite player, a perennial DPOY and MVP candidate during that period. It's pathetic that people here diminish him to try to undermine LeBron. He was never the same after he injured his back and he was never an overall dominant offensive force, but his defense was enough to put him among the best players in the league during that time before his back injury.

The Magic had several outside shooters who were on fire from three; the team shot over 40% from three in that series. The Cavs' centers couldn't contain Dwight in any meaningful way. Much of the Cavs success that year was due to having a strong defense, but the defense was far worse during this series than it was in the regular season and allowed the Magic's offense to perform far better than its regular season standars.

Meanwhile the Cavs offense rolled along at a very high level. The Magic were the best defense during the regular season, yet the Cavs offensive performance dipped only slightly compared to regular season performance. Mo Williams had been a strong second option on offense for most of the season, but crumbled offensively in this series.

Why did they lose? Well their offense was strong especially considering they were facing an elite defense, but their defense was awful especially compared to their regular season performance. As usual, the critique that LeBron not playing a system cost them the series doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

The difference between LeBron's team (the "no system" team) and Kobe's team (the "system" team) against the Magic on the offensive end was negligible. The Lakers matched up better on the defensive end though and held the Magic well below their regular season production.

[superduper]

Dwight was an elite player, a perennial DPOY and MVP candidate during that period. It's pathetic that people here diminish him to try to undermine LeBron. He was never the same after he injured his back and he was never an overall dominant offensive force, but his defense was enough to put him among the best players in the league during that time before his back injury.

The Magic had several outside shooters who were on fire from three; the team shot over 40% from three in that series. The Cavs' centers couldn't contain Dwight in any meaningful way. Much of the Cavs success that year was due to having a strong defense, but the defense was far worse during this series than it was in the regular season and allowed the Magic's offense to perform far better than its regular season standars.

Meanwhile the Cavs offense rolled along at a very high level. The Magic were the best defense during the regular season, yet the Cavs offensive performance dipped only slightly compared to regular season performance. Mo Williams had been a strong second option on offense for most of the season, but crumbled offensively in this series.

Why did they lose? Well their offense was strong especially considering they were facing an elite defense, but their defense was awful especially compared to their regular season performance. As usual, the critique that LeBron not playing a system cost them the series doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

The difference between LeBron's team (the "no system" team) and Kobe's team (the "system" team) against the Magic on the offensive end was negligible. The Lakers matched up better on the defensive end though and held the Magic well below their regular season production.

So why did Kobe wipe his jizz on Dwight and the Magic's collective faces?

[3ball]

ah...ah ...ah.... we already covered this the other day.

You said Atlanta's first time All-Star players in 2015 didn't really count as All-Stars.... so that means last second replacement, first timer Mo Williams certainly wasn't a real All-Star in 2009.

Don't be flip floppin', chico
Better than not having ANY all-star teammates like MJ until 1990

whereas lebron had 2 all-star teammates, and numerous former all-stars (Jamison and shaq were all-stars in 09')

Again, It's unfortunate that people compare mj's low seeds from 85-89' to lebron's high seeds from 06-10' that included all-star teammates - its clear that MJ's low seeds compare more to lebron's 9 seeds in 04' and 05'..
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[Hey Yo]

Better than not having ANY all-star teammates like MJ until 1990

whereas lebron had 2 all-star teammates, and numerous former all-stars (Jamison and shaq were all-stars in 09')

Again, It's unfortunate that people compare mj's low seeds from 85-89' to lebron's high seeds from 06-10' that included all-star teammates - its clear that MJ's low seeds compare more to lebron's 9 seeds in 04' and 05'..
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Rookie Jordan and 3rd year Jordan had Orlando Woolridge and his 23ppg and his 20ppg those years. Both easily better than last minute substitute Williams' 17ppg. That means by your standards, Woolridge was an All-Star both years.

We're talking '09, right? So why bring up Jamison and Shaq who weren't even on the Cavs in '09?

[Ainosterhaspie]

So why did Kobe wipe his jizz on Dwight and the Magic's collective faces?
It's in the post that you quoted. Kobe's team matched up better on the defensive end. They had Artest's elite defense for example. The Lakers had more size to match with the Magic's perimeter spacers. It wasn't Kobe alone that held the Magic offense in check and far below its regular season level. The Lakers had several defenders who matched up better against the Magic. That's the difference in the two series.

[SouBeachTalents]

It's in the post that you quoted. Kobe's team matched up better on the defensive end. They had Artest's elite defense for example. The Lakers had more size to match with the Magic's perimeter spacers. It wasn't Kobe alone that held the Magic offense in check and far below its regular season level. The Lakers had several defenders who matched up better against the Magic. That's the difference in the two series.
Artest wasn't on the '09 team brah

[superduper]

Artest wasn't on the '09 team brah

Destroyed

[Ainosterhaspie]

Artest wasn't on the '09 team brah
You are right. :banghead: Got to own it if I get something wrong. Overall point still stands though. Lakers matched up better defensively.

[tpols]

It's in the post that you quoted. Kobe's team matched up better on the defensive end. They had Artest's elite defense for example. The Lakers had more size to match with the Magic's perimeter spacers. It wasn't Kobe alone that held the Magic offense in check and far below its regular season level. The Lakers had several defenders who matched up better against the Magic. That's the difference in the two series.



Bran stans being exposed.

[Mr Exlax]

The Magic were a matchup nightmare for the Cavs. The best player can lose to a better team depending on the matchup. I was so hype when they lost.

[Mr. Jabbar]

I still can't understand why...

Why!

[Rico2016]

Kobe's elimination game numbers for his entire CAREER are worse than that :lol

True :lol

[34-24 Footwork]

Lol @ Artest's defense in L.A. being referred to as "elite".

Yikes...

[aj1987]

He actually did, but you're just trolling.

Now, your boy had home court advantage against Dwight and what did he do? Yeah, he lost.

Know what MJ never did? That's right, he never lost with home court advantage.
Nah, he just got butt ****ed in the first round multiple times and then Isaiah made him his bitch. :cheers:

[eliteballer]

How do you lose with a 66-win team to Dwight Howard...

[Duncan21formvp]

Always wondered the same on why he couldn't get by a career loser in Dwight.

[eliteballer]

:confusedshrug:

[knicksman]

Because lebron is a 2nd option masquerading as a 1st option. Thats why he needs more to win. Coz a pippen needs a jordan while jordan only needs a pippen to win. Lebron needs a kobe while kobe only needs pau. Thus the superteams.

[warriorfan]

LeBron lost as the favorite in the ECF to Dwight Howard and an And1 player...

Let that sink in

[sportjames23]

Nah, he just got butt ****ed in the first round multiple times and then Isaiah made him his bitch. :cheers:

Like Dwight did to Lebron, you mean.

[sportjames23]

LeBron lost as the favorite in the ECF to Dwight Howard and an And1 player...

Let that sink in

As the favorite. After winning 66 games that season. It