DSJ On The Move?

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The Dallas Mavericks are escalating discussions to find a trade for point guard Dennis Smith Jr., league sources tell ESPN. Phoenix and Orlando have engaged in ongoing talks with Mavs. Smith Jr., has sat out three straight games with what team has termed a sore back.

Hope the Mavs get something decent back.

[DMAVS41]

Then move Harrison next please.

[Milbuck]

Why? Is he really that hopeless at 21 years old?

[Ben Simmons 25]

Why? Is he really that hopeless at 21 years old?

No, I believe it would be a Doncic chemistry related issue.

[DMAVS41]

Why? Is he really that hopeless at 21 years old?

Not at all...he just doesn't make any sense next to Luka.

Might as well trade him now before stock goes down even more.

Of course, I'd much rather see us trade Barnes, Jordan, and Matthews...

But if we get something real back...it is worth it.

[RRR3]

Why? Is he really that hopeless at 21 years old?
Buck did you see my post about fantasy in your AD/Harden thread?

[CelticBaller]

Rozier + Pick for Smith

[RRR3]

Rozier + Pick for Smith
Bad fit unless you’re planning on getting rid of Kyrie.

[DMAVS41]

Rozier + Pick for Smith

Doesn't make sense for either team unless Celtics are also planning on moving Kyrie and the Mavs find a 3rd team to take Rozier as they wouldn't want to pay him.

[CelticBaller]

Bad fit unless you’re planning on getting rid of Kyrie.
Bad fit? Kyrie plays off the ball when Rozier is on the floor and Smith is a better player

Plus smith will be relegated as a bench player with brown who can bring the energy whenever Kyrie sits

Also trade asset

[CelticBaller]

Doesn't make sense for either team unless Celtics are also planning on moving Kyrie and the Mavs find a 3rd team to take Rozier as they wouldn't want to pay him.
Just want to move in from Rozier and we need a better bench PG

[DMAVS41]

Just want to move in from Rozier and we need a better bench PG

I'm just saying that is a lot to give up for Dennis Smith for a bench pg.

Because I'm assuming it might cost the Kings pick or Grizzlies pick...and the Celtics pick this year.

Because Smith is only on year 2 of his rookie deal and has more potential than Terry...and Terry is about to be properly paid.

Terry isn't very valuable anymore. He was last year and this summer...Celtics made an error not moving him when his stock was much higher.

[iamgine]

DSJ for Josh Jackson

[DMAVS41]

DSJ for Josh Jackson

Sounds great for the Suns and awful for the Mavs.

[iamgine]

Sounds great for the Suns and awful for the Mavs.
Is JJ that bad? I thought they're both good prospects.

[highwhey]

DSJ for Josh Jackson
never gonna happen. best mavs can hope for is a 1st rounder and some scrub.

[jongib369]

"For the season, the Mavs' net rating is minus-five points per 100 possessions in 687 minutes with Doncic and Smith on the court. While in the 659 minutes Doncic has played without Smith, the Mavericks are outscoring their opponents by by 3.1 points per 100 possessions. That's obviously a huge difference."

If they get rid of him I hope it truly benefits the Mavs, while putting him in a good spot

[DMAVS41]

Is JJ that bad? I thought they're both good prospects.

No, I just want something better than a wing that can't shoot...DSJ has way more potential and actually fills a need for the Suns. Mavs don't need a player like Josh Jackson imo.

Bridges or no deal if I'm Cuban on that one...well, I'd probably take TJ Warren because his contract is so good.

[DMAVS41]

"For the season, the Mavs' net rating is minus-five points per 100 possessions in 687 minutes with Doncic and Smith on the court. While in the 659 minutes Doncic has played without Smith, the Mavericks are outscoring their opponents by by 3.1 points per 100 possessions. That's obviously a huge difference."

If they get rid of him I hope it truly benefits the Mavs, while putting him in a good spot

In the ESPN article, they said Mavs were also shopping Wes.

Would be awesome if Cuban actually moved all these guys and just built around Luka from scratch.

[iamgine]

How about DSJ for Landry Shamet. I love the Shamet's shooting form.

[Sportal]

Trade him to the Magic for Mo. Bamba and something else. DJ Augustin...

[Smoke117]

DSJ's ceiling is Baron Davis.

[highwhey]

No, I just want something better than a wing that can't shoot...DSJ has way more potential and actually fills a need for the Suns. Mavs don't need a player like Josh Jackson imo.

Bridges or no deal if I'm Cuban on that one...well, I'd probably take TJ Warren because his contract is so good.
https://i.postimg.cc/0yMQ95Lv/df9f65406728213c3586f7d36934cf57.png

dsj is a scrub that can't play defense, no way you get bridges or tj, it would be highway robbery.

and Suns aren't interested in DSJ, local radio host that talks to suns owner confirmed it. woj has been wrong about suns before (oubre trade).

[iamgine]

I think Landry Shamet would be perfect next to Luka. He can be the next JJ Redick. Quick release, deadly shooter, can run around screens.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Josh Hart for dsj

[DMAVS41]

https://i.postimg.cc/0yMQ95Lv/df9f65406728213c3586f7d36934cf57.png

dsj is a scrub that can't play defense, no way you get bridges or tj, it would be highway robbery.

and Suns aren't interested in DSJ, local radio host that talks to suns owner confirmed it. woj has been wrong about suns before (oubre trade).

Yes, the Suns...one of the joke teams in the league...has many untouchable players. I wouldn't want to trade Bridges either if I was you, but you over-rate Warren.

DSJ is not a scrub at all...he'd actually help the Suns, but obviously so would most players as they are a really bad team.

I hope they aren't if Josh Jackson is what the Mavs get back...dude isn't good and makes little sense on the Mavs.

[SixShooter]

A small point guard that can't shoot and has little skill outside of being able to make cool dunks.

Yeah I'm sure the Mavs will get a lot for him. :roll:

It's the right move though. just know your not getting shit for him. The league lerned from Michael Carter Williams.

[sammichoffate]

Weren't you saying trading him made no sense a few weeks ago DMavs? I don't think you can get equal return for him at this point.

[GreatHILL]

dsj is a big joke

[jongib369]

[URL="https://clutchpoints.com/suns-rumors-phoenix-has-no-interest-in-mavs-dennis-smith-jr/"]NBARumor: Suns have no interest in Mavs

[FreezingTsmoove]

Lonzo + 2019 Second and Svi McKaiuluh

Who says no?

[OG LeeTSkeeT]

funny cause dirk was doing chest bumps after DSJ fell to 9th

[nayte]

What would you like to see the mavs get for him?

[alenleomessi]

They need to trade him, Barnes and Matthews for some 3&d players.. No one except for Luka should even think of playing Iso-ball

[90sgoat]

What would you like to see the mavs get for him?

Ideally a strong pnr big man.

Mavs already have a good PG prospect in Jalen Brunson, who I think will be a good player. Played really well starting last game. Luka of course is playing point, but Brunson can easily be a second ballhandler off ball.

They really need a good big man though who plays defense and who finishes around the rim. Aaron Gordon has been mentioned elsewhere. I could see him playing PF or even small ball center. Lobs galore. Maxi+Gordon+Barnes is a pretty good small ball front court.

Second, they really need a better, more team oriented shooting guard. Someone like Finney-Smith, just better. Bojan Bogdanovich would be perfect. They earn the same salary, but I doubt Indiana does that swap.

People like to hate on Barnes, but I don't think he is that bad. He is pretty good in that iso scoring role and doesn't ballhog. Plays well off ball and shoots good from catch and shoot 3s. I like his iso scoring as a 3rd option, just need better teammates.

[nayte]

Ideally a strong pnr big man.

Mavs already have a good PG prospect in Jalen Brunson, who I think will be a good player. Played really well starting last game. Luka of course is playing point, but Brunson can easily be a second ballhandler off ball.

They really need a good big man though who plays defense and who finishes around the rim. Aaron Gordon has been mentioned elsewhere. I could see him playing PF or even small ball center. Lobs galore. Maxi+Gordon+Barnes is a pretty good small ball front court.

Second, they really need a better, more team oriented shooting guard. Someone like Finney-Smith, just better. Bojan Bogdanovich would be perfect. They earn the same salary, but I doubt Indiana does that swap.

People like to hate on Barnes, but I don't think he is that bad. He is pretty good in that iso scoring role and doesn't ballhog. Plays well off ball and shoots good from catch and shoot 3s. I like his iso scoring as a 3rd option, just need better teammates.


I agree he needs a pnr who can shoot the three to help him. Jordan isn't the one. Buuut I feel if dsj accepted his spot and worked on the three he could be that athletic guard to defend the other ones. Imo of course. Just not ready to give up on Dennis to young yet he can adapt.

[90sgoat]

I agree he needs a pnr who can shoot the three to help him. Jordan isn't the one. Buuut I feel if dsj accepted his spot and worked on the three he could be that athletic guard to defend the other ones. Imo of course. Just not ready to give up on Dennis to young yet he can adapt.

I think the issue is with DSJ. He doesn't want to be second after Luka and that's just, yeah no. His role with Luka would essentially be Pat Beverly/Marcus Smart and I don't think he wants that.

[nayte]

I think the issue is with DSJ. He doesn't want to be second after Luka and that's just, yeah no. His role with Luka would essentially be Pat Beverly/Marcus Smart and I don't think he wants that.

I agree that should be his role. Luca is the future of them. If he can accept that he has to defend the athletic guards and roll with it.. If he can accept that.. If he does I think they can work together

[DMAVS41]

Ideally a strong pnr big man.

Mavs already have a good PG prospect in Jalen Brunson, who I think will be a good player. Played really well starting last game. Luka of course is playing point, but Brunson can easily be a second ballhandler off ball.

They really need a good big man though who plays defense and who finishes around the rim. Aaron Gordon has been mentioned elsewhere. I could see him playing PF or even small ball center. Lobs galore. Maxi+Gordon+Barnes is a pretty good small ball front court.

Second, they really need a better, more team oriented shooting guard. Someone like Finney-Smith, just better. Bojan Bogdanovich would be perfect. They earn the same salary, but I doubt Indiana does that swap.

People like to hate on Barnes, but I don't think he is that bad. He is pretty good in that iso scoring role and doesn't ballhog. Plays well off ball and shoots good from catch and shoot 3s. I like his iso scoring as a 3rd option, just need better teammates.

Gordon makes a lot of sense. I like that idea.

Barnes is not good. He doesn't move the needle at all on this team. He's been on fire from 3 this year and he still can't make a positive impact.

If he made 14 million a year going forward...then he'd be fine, but he makes 10 million too much and he likely is going to get paid again by somebody on his next contract.

I doubt we trade him, but we should.

[DMAVS41]

Weren't you saying trading him made no sense a few weeks ago DMavs? I don't think you can get equal return for him at this point.

Yea, I'd much rather see us trade Wes, Barnes, Powell, and DJ then give up on DSJ this early...

However, like I said before...it depends on the return.

I'd just hate to see us lose a rookie contract unless we get something real back that helps the future of the team.

[chocolatethunder]

[/B]

Gordon makes a lot of sense. I like that idea.

Barnes is not good. He doesn't move the needle at all on this team. He's been on fire from 3 this year and he still can't make a positive impact.

If he made 14 million a year going forward...then he'd be fine, but he makes 10 million too much and he likely is going to get paid again by somebody on his next contract.

I doubt we trade him, but we should.
Lol man maxing Barnes was one of many FO moves by the Mavs. They need to reset and build around Luka

[kurple]

Sounds great for the Suns and awful for the Mavs.
What do you expect to get in return from a player that dropped on draft night and the team that ended up with him has given up?

Nuggets got a 2nd and Devin Harris for Mudiay.

[kurple]

No team is trading a cornerstone for DSJ. And I'm a fan

[HylianNightmare]

The Orlando Magic should give up anyone on the roster no one is untouchable

[highwhey]

[QUOTE=jongib369][URL="https://clutchpoints.com/suns-rumors-phoenix-has-no-interest-in-mavs-dennis-smith-jr/"]NBARumor: Suns have no interest in Mavs

[IGOTGAME]

What do you expect to get in return from a player that dropped on draft night and the team that ended up with him has given up?

Nuggets got a 2nd and Devin Harris for Mudiay.

Im not a DSJ fan, but he is a lot better than Mudiay

[superduper]

How about DSJ for Landry Shamet. I love the Shamet's shooting form.

The Sixers don't need a 4th ball dominant player...they need more off ball shooters which is exactly what Shamet is. No dice.

[dbugz]

The Sixers don't need a 4th ball dominant player...they need more off ball shooters which is exactly what Shamet is. No dice.

That Shamet kid is going to be a really good perimeter player in this league. He's perfect for the Sixers.

[DMAVS41]

What do you expect to get in return from a player that dropped on draft night and the team that ended up with him has given up?

Nuggets got a 2nd and Devin Harris for Mudiay.

I don't know.

I hope / expect us not to move a player with a lot of potential on a very small rookie deal for nothing.

[DMAVS41]

:roll:

mavs fan sweating profusely after these news. no one wants their scrub. love the high standard by some of the mavs fans "dsj for x prospect that is much superior to dsj but we have high standards so its that or nothing"
:roll:

Sweating profusely?

I don't even want DSJ moved unless we get something back that is real...which, as you point out, could be difficult.

Only delusional person here is you thinking that the Suns have a bunch of "off limits" players on a team that can barely break 20 wins.

Most Mavs fans would much rather trade Wes / Barnes / Powell/ Jordan and see what Smith could do staggered with Luka for the rest of the season than move him from a scrub like Josh Jackson who can't even get minutes on one of the worst teams in the league.

[superduper]

That Shamet kid is going to be a really good perimeter player in this league. He's perfect for the Sixers.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=456689

:rockon:

[PejaNowitzki]

Sounds great for the Suns and awful for the Mavs.


Sounds awful for the Suns. DSJ isn't what they need. They have plenty of scorers, they need a point guard that can distribute at a high level, run the PnR, play good defense, knock down some open shots and otherwise stay out of the way.

DSJ is just another ballhog in a similar vein to Bledsoe and Knight. Thst is why I don't buy that they actually have any interest in him.

[Ghost1]

[QUOTE=jongib369][URL="https://clutchpoints.com/suns-rumors-phoenix-has-no-interest-in-mavs-dennis-smith-jr/"]NBARumor: Suns have no interest in Mavs

[highwhey]

Sweating profusely?

I don't even want DSJ moved unless we get something back that is real...which, as you point out, could be difficult.

Only delusional person here is you thinking that the Suns have a bunch of "off limits" players on a team that can barely break 20 wins.

Most Mavs fans would much rather trade Wes / Barnes / Powell/ Jordan and see what Smith could do staggered with Luka for the rest of the season than move him from a scrub like Josh Jackson who can't even get minutes on one of the worst teams in the league.
meltdown

[highwhey]

This Gambadaro guy is a fraud, tbh...
no he's not. he talks to sarver on the side. and we already had gambo vs woj part 1, woj lost. remember the failed trade between memphis/wash/suns? woj was reporting something incorrectly and gambo tweeted to correct him, woj kept insisting on his story but ended up being wrong.

let's see how part 2 goes, my money is on gambo...the guy that talks to sarver. :oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

Sounds awful for the Suns. DSJ isn't what they need. They have plenty of scorers, they need a point guard that can distribute at a high level, run the PnR, play good defense, knock down some open shots and otherwise stay out of the way.

DSJ is just another ballhog in a similar vein to Bledsoe and Knight. Thst is why I don't buy that they actually have any interest in him.

We differ on how good DSJ can be...and how he'd fit on the Suns.

He's only 21 and is on a great contract.

I don't care where he goes...I'd rather not see him go to the Suns if the return is shit.

But, DSJ would help the Suns...and Josh Jackson (unless the Suns are at fault for why he sucks) isn't helping the Mavs.

So no thanks on that trade. Not close to worth it unless JJ was some serious untapped potential impact that one of the worst teams in the league can't use.

[PejaNowitzki]

This Gambadaro guy is a fraud, tbh...


There is no one more tied in to the Suns organization than him. His primary source is thought to be Sarver himself.

[PejaNowitzki]

We differ on how good DSJ can be...and how he'd fit on the Suns.

He's only 21 and is on a great contract.

I don't care where he goes...I'd rather not see him go to the Suns if the return is shit.

But, DSJ would help the Suns...and Josh Jackson (unless the Suns are at fault for why he sucks) isn't helping the Mavs.

So no thanks on that trade. Not close to worth it unless JJ was some serious untapped potential impact that one of the worst teams in the league can't use.



I agree 100% with that. Phoenix has had enough undersized ball hog combo guards.


DSJ may be good for someone, just not the Suns.

[highwhey]

I agree 100% with that. Phoenix has had enough undersized ball hog combo guards.


DSJ may be good for someone, just not the Suns.
ouch! :roll:

[90sgoat]

I see DSJ as Dion Waiters.

Very unlikely that he becomes more than a marginal role player.

He has potential to be a good defender and a good slasher, but his decision making is very bad. Should probably have spent a season or two in the G-league.

[DMAVS41]

I agree 100% with that. Phoenix has had enough undersized ball hog combo guards.


DSJ may be good for someone, just not the Suns.

I think DSJ has more to his game than you've seen, but he certainly isn't the ideal point in this league for any team.

The Suns aren't the ideal fit for him...I never argued that. I simply said he'd help them...which he would, but obviously that is trivial as they don't have a point and are one of the worst teams in the league...so that really isn't a fair measure.

I was simply pointing that out because JJ wouldn't help the Mavs and they don't need him...so that deal is better for the Suns.

[DaHeezy]

People are too hard on DJS only because people are so enamored by Doncic. He's going to be a legit scorer and an exciting player to watch. Almost similar to Phill'ys situation where people want Embiid to excel at the cost of getting rid of Simmons.

The process is about patients. What if Doncic goes down? Like Zinger? Then what? I'd see how this team unfolds first. We all know they aren't going to compete for another 2 to 3 years

[DaHeezy]

But if you're going to pull the trigger I'd say trade him to the Heat for Dragic

You'll have Dirk+Nash 2.0

[superduper]

People are too hard on DJS only because people are so enamored by Doncic. He's going to be a legit scorer and an exciting player to watch. Almost similar to Phill'ys situation where people want Embiid to excel at the cost of getting rid of Simmons.

The process is about patients. What if Doncic goes down? Like Zinger? Then what? I'd see how this team unfolds first. We all know they aren't going to compete for another 2 to 3 years

I see DSJ being a Lavine/Beal hybrid type as his ceiling, maybe slightly better than Beal is now if things pan out.

Porzingis' body was prone to break down, his body type is very injury prone in the lower half of the body. Donic's body isn't prone to injury like that but then again anyone can get injured at any time. But still comparing Porzingis to Doncic doesn't work.

[90sgoat]

DSJ's closest comparison style wise is Derrick Rose.

Just way worse.

[DaHeezy]

I see DSJ being a Lavine/Beal hybrid type as his ceiling, maybe slightly better than Beal is now if things pan out.

Porzingis' body was prone to break down, his body type is very injury prone in the lower half of the body. Donic's body isn't prone to injury like that but then again anyone can get injured at any time. But still comparing Porzingis to Doncic doesn't work.

I wasn't comparing their body of work. I'm comparing the situation of getting injured and having nothing there to work with.

[DaHeezy]

DSJ's closest comparison style wise is Derrick Rose.

Just way worse.

Meh. I say more Steve Francis is THE most accurate comparison.

[jongib369]

But if you're going to pull the trigger I'd say trade him to the Heat for Dragic

You'll have Dirk+Nash 2.0
Is the money right? They actually already have built up chemistry, but playing off ball might not be for him.

"The Suns’ problems Tuesday did not have much to do with the offense but Dragic had admitted frustration about his involvement entering the game and Coach Jeff Hornacek understands it. He said Dragic’s off-ball time might be taking a toll on Dragic. Juggling three point guards’ minutes, roles and shots has been one of the coach’s toughest tasks this season."


How SLOVENIA Won Eurobasket 2017 Featuring DRAGIC & DONCIC (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HI0CQIlDPsU)

[jongib369]

"Dennis Smith Jr. trade rumors: Knicks and Mavs have discussed a Smith Jr. and Wes Matthews swap in exchange for Tim Hardaway, Jr. & Frank Ntilikina."

https://mobile.twitter.com/ScoopB/status/1085276207141343238

[highwhey]

"Dennis Smith Jr. trade rumors: Knicks and Mavs have discussed a Smith Jr. and Wes Matthews swap in exchange for Tim Hardaway, Jr. & Frank Ntilikina."

https://mobile.twitter.com/ScoopB/status/1085276207141343238
scraps for scraps, oh boy, mavs fans are going to meltdown even more :roll:

[dirkdiggler41]

"Dennis Smith Jr. trade rumors: Knicks and Mavs have discussed a Smith Jr. and Wes Matthews swap in exchange for Tim Hardaway, Jr. & Frank Ntilikina."

https://mobile.twitter.com/ScoopB/status/1085276207141343238

Ewh, no thanks. Tim's contract is huge and he shoot below 40%. Frank is cool, but he will always just be a great defender.

[PejaNowitzki]

I think DSJ has more to his game than you've seen, but he certainly isn't the ideal point in this league for any team.

The Suns aren't the ideal fit for him...I never argued that. I simply said he'd help them...which he would, but obviously that is trivial as they don't have a point and are one of the worst teams in the league...so that really isn't a fair measure.

I was simply pointing that out because JJ wouldn't help the Mavs and they don't need him...so that deal is better for the Suns.


You keep saying that but that just isn't true. The same reasons why the Mavs are ready to dump him after a year and a half are largely the same reasons the Suns don't need him. They want the ball in the hands of Booker and Ayton, not an undersized guard who will always be at a disadvantage defensively dribbling out the clock. They've been there with Eric Bledsoe. It doesn't work. Maybe you win a few more games, long term you're not in much better of a position overall.


They need more of a facilitator. In the mean time, they are fine with Melton who has actually done a very good job defensively and looking to move the basketball around. He's not a long term solution for them, but neither would be DSJ.

[jongib369]

Someone speculated they might Swap Jordan, and DSJ for Drummond, and someone else on the Pistons but I doubt it

[DMAVS41]

scraps for scraps, oh boy, mavs fans are going to meltdown even more :roll:

I like Frank and Hardaway's contract isn't as bad as people think it is.

However, the Knicks would need to include one more small piece, imo, for that to be a good deal for the Mavs....but Hardaway at 18 million a year for only 2 more years with the cap increase coming at his age would be fine for the Mavs.

I'd want us to trade Barnes still though, which seems like a lost cause unfortunately.

Nobody is having a meltdown.

You seem like a spazztic though.

[DMAVS41]

You keep saying that but that just isn't true. The same reasons why the Mavs are ready to dump him after a year and a half are largely the same reasons the Suns don't need him. They want the ball in the hands of Booker and Ayton, not an undersized guard who will always be at a disadvantage defensively dribbling out the clock. They've been there with Eric Bledsoe. It doesn't work. Maybe you win a few more games, long term you're not in much better of a position overall.


They need more of a facilitator. In the mean time, they are fine with Melton who has actually done a very good job defensively and looking to move the basketball around. He's not a long term solution for them, but neither would be DSJ.

You are confusing what they ideally want and what would help them.

I agree that DSJ is absolutely not the ideal fit and that more of a facilitator would help.

However, if you don't think DSJ would help arguably the worst team in the league that is lacking at his position...you are either under-rating Smith or under-rating how bad the Suns are.

The Mavs are moving on from him now (or trying to) because we drafted a phenom that is so damn good already that he can play a James Harden like role for us...and Smith just doesn't fit well next to that.

Stop acting like he has nothing to offer. His jumper has looked improved this year...he's shooting 38% from 3 on nearly 4 attempts per game iirc.

Like I keep saying...if the return isn't good...I'd much rather just keep him.

[highwhey]

smells a lot like meltdown in here mixed with some high expectations for a scrub being shopped

[DMAVS41]

Someone speculated they might Swap Jordan, and DSJ for Drummond, and someone else on the Pistons but I doubt it

I'd like that a lot.

Something around Ish Smith / Drummond would be nice...especially if we could include Dwight Powell.

[DMAVS41]

smells a lot like meltdown in here mixed with some high expectations for a scrub being shopped

Reasonable people can have a different view of a player...and it isn't high expectations at all...

It is simply not wanting to get a crap return for a 21 year old on his rookie contract when there is no urgency to actually make this move.

However, nothing supports your "scrub" label...

Josh Jackson is much closer to being a scrub than DSJ is.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/josh-jackson/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/dennis-smith-jr/

More than double the projected dollar value...about what I'd expect.

[jongib369]

Random but check out Lukas new car :bowdown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBQnruSabT4

[superduper]

Random but check out Lukas new car :bowdown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBQnruSabT4

Dayum son!!

Love people who have appreciation for sexy sport coupes.

Imagine owning that at 19. What a boss.

[Hawker]

smells a lot like meltdown in here mixed with some high expectations for a scrub being shopped
Someone from Dallas show up in Midland and **** your girl?

[highwhey]

Reasonable people can have a different view of a player...and it isn't high expectations at all...

It is simply not wanting to get a crap return for a 21 year old on his rookie contract when there is no urgency to actually make this move.

However, nothing supports your "scrub" label.
you claim there is no urgency yet the Mavs front office are the ones shopping him.

you want high returns for a player that isn't of equal talent. he can't play defense, and his biggest crutch is the same reason he's being shopped in the first place: he needs the ball in his hands yet he's not good enough to demand the ball like he does.

this isn't 2k kid.

[DMAVS41]

you claim there is no urgency yet the Mavs front office are the ones shopping him.

you want high returns for a player that isn't of equal talent. he can't play defense, and his biggest crutch is the same reason he's being shopped in the first place: he needs the ball in his hands yet he's not good enough to demand the ball like he does.

this isn't 2k kid.

You aren't even listening.

Frank / Hardaway would be a fine return imo...I don't think that is unreasonably high expectations for Smith / Wes, for example.

Again, Smith is much better than you think.

JJ is the scrub in this discussion if anyone is. You can't trade DSJ for Josh Jackson...well, the Mavs can, but it would be another terrible move by the franchise.

Stop over-rating the players on the Suns. If they were all good they wouldn't be about as bad as the Cavs.

But, let me guess...you want us to ignore the 538 projections (which are some of the best we have) and me watching Smith every game in his career...for your take that has no substance to it.

Right?

[highwhey]

You aren't even listening.

Frank / Hardaway would be a fine return imo...I don't think that is unreasonably high expectations for Smith / Wes, for example.

Again, Smith is much better than you think.

JJ is the scrub in this discussion if anyone is. You can't trade DSJ for Josh Jackson...well, the Mavs can, but it would be another terrible move by the franchise.

Stop over-rating the players on the Suns. If they were all good they wouldn't be about as bad as the Cavs.
idk why you keep bringing up JJ, you're not getting him in any lifetime. and if the Suns were so bad, why are we 2-1 against Mavs this season buttercup?

[DMAVS41]

idk why you keep bringing up JJ, you're not getting him in any lifetime. and if the Suns were so bad, why are we 2-1 against Mavs this season buttercup?

I don't want JJ...never said I did.

Wait, are you actually arguing that the Suns aren't bad?

[highwhey]

I don't want JJ...never said I did.

Wait, are you actually arguing that the Suns aren't bad?
answer my question.

[90sgoat]

You aren't even listening.

Frank / Hardaway would be a fine return imo...I don't think that is unreasonably high expectations for Smith / Wes, for example.


Right?

No way, that's worse than DSJ/Wes :roll:

[DMAVS41]

No way, that's worse than DSJ/Wes :roll:

Again, if you read my previous response on this...I said the Knicks would need to send one more piece for it to be a fair deal.

However, Frank has a lot of potential imo and his defensive ability would be really nice to have moving forward on a team with Luka.

DFS and Frank could wreak havoc on defense.

I think Hardaway is better than most and am of the opinion that his contract isn't as bad as it looks right now....especially when this year doesn't matter and with the cap jumping.

Regardless, he's better than Wes...

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/wesley-matthews/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/tim-hardaway-jr/

Would I love it? Nah, but if the Knicks threw something else in...taking a chance on a 20 year old Frank seems pretty good to me as this team needs to be built around Luka like the Rockets did with Harden. If Frank could turn into a reliable 3 point shooter...he and DFS are great fits next to Luka.

[90sgoat]

THJ is worse than Wes.

Watched him closely during Zingis sophomore season.

He is very bad on D, doesn't shoot consistently and dribbles too much.

Frank has some potential.

[sammichoffate]

I'm trying to think of some teams that would need someone like DSJ:

East:
Pacers
Heat
Hornets(Kemba insurance)
Magic
Pistons
maybe Knicks

West:
Twolves
Pelicans

[jongib369]

"Source close to @Dennis1SmithJr confirms that neither Smith, nor his agent, requested a trade, but are open to one. "He likes the organization and he likes the players. I just don

[DMAVS41]

THJ is worse than Wes.

Watched him closely during Zingis sophomore season.

He is very bad on D, doesn't shoot consistently and dribbles too much.

Frank has some potential.

No, he's not...and that wouldn't be the role he'd play on the Mavs anyway.

[highwhey]

[QUOTE=jongib369]"Source close to @Dennis1SmithJr confirms that neither Smith, nor his agent, requested a trade, but are open to one. "He likes the organization and he likes the players. I just don

[DMAVS41]

answer my question.

Because the Mavericks aren't good either...:confusedshrug:

Because the Suns seem to match up well against us...:confusedshrug:

Who cares the reason...the Suns suck and the Mavericks aren't good...I'm not sure what your point is.

The Suns are 11-33 and are about to be 11-34...they suck. They are one of the worst teams in the league.

This is a fact...I don't know what reality you live in.