True Detective Season 3

[brandonislegend]

anyone watch first 2 episodes?

worth spending 2 hours of my life?

[highwhey]

yes, they were pretty good. marshala ali is a great actor.

interested to see where this leads to.

[Smoke117]

I didn't know it started yet. I'll get to it after I finish Escape From Dannemora.

[SomeBlackDude]

just got through the first episode. has that slow burn, time jumping, southern gothic flavor from the first season.

2nd season was turrible. got high hopes for this one.

[coin24]

Damn didn't realise it was out yet, will check it out.:cheers:
Season 2 was so bad

[warriorfan]

So I

[Rocket]

I have both the first episodes on DVR. I have been too busy to sit down and watch them.

The first season was amazing yet the second season was about as bad of a series I have ever seen. It would be really hard for this one to be as bad as season #2.

[Thorpesaurous]

I've been waiting for them and thought the first two episodes were great. Ali is great. But getting back to the right writing, unspooling the story from multiple angles by jumping from one timeline to the other, is what's really working. And it doesn't hurt that they've come back around thematically to some of the creepier, occult type elements that dotted the first season.

If anything you could make the claim it's moving too fast. That the symbolism is a bit too on the nose. But frankly I thought the pacing in the first season was a little off early on anyway.

The first two episodes were also directed by the same guy, Jeremy Saulnier, who's done a couple of good Netflix movies, Blue Ruin, and recently Hold The Dark, and one of my favorite thrillers of recent years, Green Room. He's got a perfect vibe for this, however apparently there was a falling between him and the writer, Pizzalatto, during production, and those first two are the only ones Saulnier directed. Hopefully the tone is kept up.

[highwhey]

I've been waiting for them and thought the first two episodes were great. Ali is great. But getting back to the right writing, unspooling the story from multiple angles by jumping from one timeline to the other, is what's really working. And it doesn't hurt that they've come back around thematically to some of the creepier, occult type elements that dotted the first season.

If anything you could make the claim it's moving too fast. That the symbolism is a bit too on the nose. But frankly I thought the pacing in the first season was a little off early on anyway.

The first two episodes were also directed by the same guy, Jeremy Saulnier, who's done a couple of good Netflix movies, Blue Ruin, and recently Hold The Dark, and one of my favorite thrillers of recent years, Green Room. He's got a perfect vibe for this, however apparently there was a falling between him and the writer, Pizzalatto, during production, and those first two are the only ones Saulnier directed. Hopefully the tone is kept up.
i liked hold the dark, big fan of dark movies like that.

i read there's an episode on season 3 of TD with a similar tracking shot much like season 1 when rust goes undercover to the stash house in the projects with his biker friends, really excited for that episode. :eek:

[Smoke117]

Season 2 wasn't even that bad. It certainly was a lot better than a lot of the shit on tv right now. Seasons 5-7 from Game of Thrones is much worse and a lot of you idiots love that garbage.

[Thorpesaurous]

i liked hold the dark, big fan of dark movies like that.

i read there's an episode on season 3 of TD with a similar tracking shot much like season 1 when rust goes undercover to the stash house in the projects with his biker friends, really excited for that episode. :eek:


There's obviously a ton of stuff pulled structurally from season one. The southern gothic atmosphere. The more occult angle. The multiple timelines. But especially even the lead cops having this sort of tenuous relationship.

I think the smart move though was limiting the focus to one character. I really feel like that's what hurt season two the most. Just too many characters to try to develop in too little time. And that's even no disagreeing with Smoke that it's not really as bad a season as it's made out to be. It's just not particularly good TV. But if you're into the genre, and you watched all the season of say, The Killing, like I did, it's got it's moments.

So far I really like the period specific work. The Vietnam angle. The racial tension of the era. There's a lot to play on that.

[bladefd]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]So I

[brandonislegend]

**** season 2.

[brandonislegend]

Just saw both episodes, I like

[Patrick Chewing]

Ugh so frustrated already. Dragging us through three different timelines?? Or is it four?

[ArbitraryWater]

nice, something to watch


def didnt watch s2

[Patrick Chewing]

Just as I had thought, Pizzolatto wants to connect Season 1 and Season 3 and have them exist within the same timeline.

Good read: https://www.theringer.com/tv/2019/1/29/18201316/true-detective-seasons-1-and-3-connected


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Excited now! :banana:

[Thorpesaurous]

Just as I had thought, Pizzolatto wants to connect Season 1 and Season 3 and have them exist within the same timeline.

Good read: https://www.theringer.com/tv/2019/1/29/18201316/true-detective-seasons-1-and-3-connected


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Excited now! :banana:


This is very exciting stuff. I read this last night too. I did not catch the computer screen while watching. But my suspicions started during the first episode, when she was telling Wayne about the online communities that study cases, and asked if he'd ever heard of some of the bigger networks. The first one she mentioned was a real case I've read about, but the second one she called the "crooked spiral", which I'd never heard of, but remember the imagery from season one which could easily be described as a crooked spiral. That was my immediate guess.

Pizzalotto almost has to be a Pizzagate guy, because that symbol is pretty damn close to the pedo symbol thrown out on the FBI documentation cited in the pizzagate stuff all the time.

[ArbitraryWater]

Why does imdb say ep 1 came out jan 15 and ep 2 jan 13??

[highwhey]

This is very exciting stuff. I read this last night too. I did not catch the computer screen while watching. But my suspicions started during the first episode, when she was telling Wayne about the online communities that study cases, and asked if he'd ever heard of some of the bigger networks. The first one she mentioned was a real case I've read about, but the second one she called the "crooked spiral", which I'd never heard of, but remember the imagery from season one which could easily be described as a crooked spiral. That was my immediate guess.

Pizzalotto almost has to be a Pizzagate guy, because that symbol is pretty damn close to the pedo symbol thrown out on the FBI documentation cited in the pizzagate stuff all the time.
i'm pretty sure (correct me if i'm wrong) that Matthew is on record saying he would gladly reprise his role as Rust Cohle (not in the context of this new season tho, just something he said a while back).

i'd love for it to happen.

how are you liking the new season Thorp?

[highwhey]

Why does imdb say ep 1 came out jan 15 and ep 2 jan 13??
prob a typo. both episodes aired on jan 13.

[Thorpesaurous]

i'm pretty sure (correct me if i'm wrong) that Matthew is on record saying he would gladly reprise his role as Rust Cohle (not in the context of this new season tho, just something he said a while back).

i'd love for it to happen.

how are you liking the new season Thorp?

I'm loving it. I posted on it in a different thread a while back, I think just after the premiere. It's obviously treading on the same ground of season one, and if people were bothered by that, I would get it. I also feel like it's a little bit dumbed down from season one. But I'm not sure that's a bad thing. Parts of season one I felt dragged on. This season feels a little more direct. But I kind of appreciate that. It's still not as if it's straight forward.

I really love it. It's the first time in a long time where Sunday morning I'm already looking forward to it.

[Patrick Chewing]

Halfway point in the show now. So who do we think the killer is? If it's anything like Season 1, Pizzolato introduces the killer to us earlier on in a very brief and insignificant scene. Perhaps it will be the same here.


I'm thinking it was the priest.

[highwhey]

onyl 3 episodes left https://i.postimg.cc/15dKQ5bX/mjcry1.png

[Thorpesaurous]

It's been a great season of television. The shootout was extremely well done. And it was a moment of action that the show was due for. As a criticism, I'd say some of the elements of the plot they've hidden for the sake of the mystery are starting to wear thin. They're approaching resolution over three different timelines, so they're really having to overdue it keeping things in the dark. But I can't really take issue with it for at least one more episode here. They unravel a good bit in that last episode. At least concluded the 80 investigation.

My guess is that the mother was in with the Hoyt guy, and the AG is involved in the cover up. They're all guilty to some degree. But much like season one, I think they might find the specific killer, but never really uncover the grander scheme behind it.

One thing I wonder about that I haven't seen much on, involving Amelia, who I know is a popular theory as the killer, is how much tension in their relationship stems from him continuing to investigate a case that she's already "solved" in a all time critically acclaimed non-fiction book.

[Nanners]

This season of True Detective has been ****ing phenomenal. Thus far, the performances of both Mahershala Ali and Stephen Dorff are among the best acting I have ever seen in a TV show, in the same category as all-time great examples of TV acting like Breaking Bad, The Wire, Fargo, etc.

Hopefully I am not getting ahead of myself here. I loved the first 5 or 6 episodes of season 1 but I was monumentally disappointed with the ending, and I struggled to watch any episode in season 2... I really hope season 3 can keep its momentum and finish strong.

[Nanners]

Pizzalotto almost has to be a Pizzagate guy, because that symbol is pretty damn close to the pedo symbol thrown out on the FBI documentation cited in the pizzagate stuff all the time.

It does seem like pizzalotto designed the crooked spiral based on the FBI symbol, but season 1 of True Detective came out 2 years before pizzagate was a thing.

[Thorpesaurous]

It does seem like pizzalotto designed the crooked spiral based on the FBI symbol, but season 1 of True Detective came out 2 years before pizzagate was a thing.


True, but not before that FBI document was turned public. And a guy like Pizzalatto is almost certainly researching enough to have found it before pizzagate became a thing. And based on his writing, pizzagate has got to be right up his alley. On top of that, pizza is right in his name!

[highwhey]

It's been a great season of television. The shootout was extremely well done. And it was a moment of action that the show was due for. As a criticism, I'd say some of the elements of the plot they've hidden for the sake of the mystery are starting to wear thin. They're approaching resolution over three different timelines, so they're really having to overdue it keeping things in the dark. But I can't really take issue with it for at least one more episode here. They unravel a good bit in that last episode. At least concluded the 80 investigation.

My guess is that the mother was in with the Hoyt guy, and the AG is involved in the cover up. They're all guilty to some degree. But much like season one, I think they might find the specific killer, but never really uncover the grander scheme behind it.

One thing I wonder about that I haven't seen much on, involving Amelia, who I know is a popular theory as the killer, is how much tension in their relationship stems from him continuing to investigate a case that she's already "solved" in a all time critically acclaimed non-fiction book.

there's almost certainly going to be a cover up even if the abductor is caught.

i had to google the amelia theory, a lot of things are starting to tick or come together, like clues. when she said "you forgot something in the forest" or the other intimate details she knew about the case :biggums:

[Thorpesaurous]

The last episode (6) was great. It was the tipping point the show needed for the pacing to work out.

I still feel this season's conspiracy runs a little more straightforward than the first season's Tuttle family. But I kind of like that. And I still feel we're going to get more conclusion as a viewer than the investigators get as characters. The Pink Room alone was a ton of closure on the grander conspiracy for me. I doubt Tom makes it out. And I think it's possible Wayne and Roland ever learn about it. They probably decided the security guy ex cop was the guy in 90. They may decide in the 2015 line it was the milky eyed black guy. But much like season one, I'm not sure they get all the way to Hoyt. They may believe it, but I don't think they'll get there. I think that's kind of the theme of the series.

I wonder if the real fatality of Wayne and Amelia's marriage is that he "settles" the case with the Security Cop, and she's never able to reveal it because it would incriminate Roland and Him, and she is stuck the rest of her life "knowing" the answer to a question she's dedicated her life to, but has to pretend she doesn't know.

[SomeBlackDude]

season has been great. love how they tied this season to the first. :applause:

also, i assume this means season 4 will be set in nebraska...

[Patrick Chewing]

So many questions left unanswered before the finale. I

[Nanners]

True, but not before that FBI document was turned public. And a guy like Pizzalatto is almost certainly researching enough to have found it before pizzagate became a thing. And based on his writing, pizzagate has got to be right up his alley. On top of that, pizza is right in his name!

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This name keeps coming up again and again - Pizzalotto, Pizzalotto, Pizzalotto... I got boxes of Pizzalotto!

[Thorpesaurous]

The season really has been spectacular. I'm willing to say it's better than season one. Even if they don't stick the landing, because frankly that's part of my issue with season one. If they wind up pinning this on Mr. June, and the Hoyt's remain guilty only on the edges of the investigation, sort of the way The Tuttles did in season one, I'd be ok with it. I feel we've gotten more hard evidence on The Hoyts than we got on The Tuttles anyway.

I was pretty pumped to see the FBI document from Pizzagate officially flash on screen from Elisa, sort of confirming my suspicions.

I too am interested to get some closure on Hays' family. Both Amelia and the daughter. Squeezing that last time line in was a nice touch.

One little note I'd like to find out is what Tom actually saw in the Pink Room that made him say "Julie?". My guess is it was the same picture we saw in Harrison James' office of the Hoyt daughter and granddaughter, except with Julie replacing her. But I feel like we'll never see the inside of that room again.

Really can't wait for the finale. The whole thing has just been really well written. I've still had a little issue with the hiding of elements, like an unnatural use of pronouns that feel like they're just there to hide things from the audience. "We can't forget what you did that time to protect her from him in that place!", but I understand that's the nature of the genre. Just like I know there were some complaints about the sudden existence of a Hoyt maid who seemed to fill in a bunch of gaps that no one could fill for 35 years. But again, that's a genre trope that exists for functionality. Overall, the fact that we're one episode away, and have had enough story unspooled to keep us this invested, yet still have enough left to discuss it, is really an achievement.


I've mentioned this before, but for anyone who enjoys this series, Pizzalotto's book Galveston, is a really good read. Not exactly the same topic, a mob enforcer survives a hit on him by his boss, and escapes with an 17 year old hooker and both are on the run. But you can hear this same voice in it. And it hits this same part of the world, this sort of grimy southern underworld that still kind of lives below the reaches of modern law. It's a good simple read. And it'd make a great movie, and I know has been bandied about being turned into a movie. It also feels like it could happen in the same world as we're in now, and from season one. I really feel like one of the bigger issues in season two was him not really having a full handle on the big city setting.

[highwhey]

tonight is it fellas. predictions?

[egokiller]

tonight is it fellas. predictions?

You better be ready for that shit. Dig deep and ask yourself:

Where is Julie Purcell, and is she safe, in 2015?
Who killed Will Purcell?
What happened in 1990 between Hays and Edward Hoyt, and how did Hoyt know that Roland killed Harris James?
How did Hays become estranged from his daughter, Rebecca?
Will Rust Cohle and Marty Hart make a cameo?

[highwhey]

You better be ready for that shit. Dig deep and ask yourself:

Where is Julie Purcell, and is she safe, in 2015?
Who killed Will Purcell?
What happened in 1990 between Hays and Edward Hoyt, and how did Hoyt know that Roland killed Harris James?
How did Hays become estranged from his daughter, Rebecca?
Will Rust Cohle and Marty Hart make a cameo?
i wish season 4 of true detective (if it even happens), will consist of rust and marty teaming back up.

proly won't happen tho

[highwhey]

this ****ing show man :applause:

spoilers in white:
i honestly can't think of a more perfect closing scene than Hays walking off into the jungle. i didn't see the twist coming even though they threw it in our faces with them bumping into the landscaper and his daughter that looked exactly like Julie lol. loved every single second of this season and i really don't mind that they emulated season 1, it's a perfect mold as long as they keep fresh writing.

[SomeBlackDude]

pizzolatto can't help himself.

dude is a sucker for a happy or at least bittersweet ending.

spoiler in white:

very disappointed the story didn't tie into season 1's arc. they teased it but looks like it wasn't really connected at all. wasn't really part of some occult illuminati conspiracy. just some crazy miss havisham character who wanted a new fake daughter.

[Patrick Chewing]

Uhhh so what happened to Hays

[Nanners]

I really liked how the season ended. I can see how people hoping for a grand conspiracy would have been disappointed, but I thought the story was a lot more logical and believable than a grand conspiracy and what we got was the closest thing to a "happy ending" that anyone could have realistically hoped for with a show like True Detective.

The only complaint I have about the show is that I think it could have focused on Roland a bit more. For the first 3-4 episodes Mahershala was knocking it out of the park and I was perfectly happy about the fact that the show was centered around Waynes life, but around ep 5 or 6 I thought Roland started to steal the scenes and I wish they would have explained more of his story. Why did his relationship with that church woman fall apart? Why didnt we see the scenes where Roland was arguing with his superiors on Waynes behalf? Why didnt we see any scenes showing how the case was consuming him like it did with Wayne? Why didnt we see any explanation for why Roland never attempted to reach out to Wayne during all those years?


In season 1 it felt like Rust and Martys stories were roughly given the same level of importance in the overall show narrative, in this season Wayne was obviously the main character while everyone else was on the side. Dont get me wrong, Mahershala Ali did an absolutely incredible job and was 100% worthy of being the main character in a show... but Stephen Dorff was ****ing amazing as well (especially in the second half of the season)...

[Thorpesaurous]

It was pretty much what I expected, even though I was disappointed in a few aspects. I would've liked more closure on Becca, and what the end was like with Amelia.

I didn't expect a cult tie in, but I was hoping for it. I couldn't quite see how it would get there. The gist I was pretty clear on. Julie was obviously bought to replace the Hoyt daughter, in which case a ritual killing of the son didn't make much sense. I had kind of talked myself into hoping Hoyt would own up to having done this before, having tried to buy children from the crooked spiral, but they were too damaged, and decided a local kid from a bad situation made more sense.

Overall still a great season of TV. It just feels more contained a story than the first season did. It doesn't have that open endedness that I like.

[Nanners]

Overall still a great season of TV. It just feels more contained a story than the first season did. It doesn't have that open endedness that I like.

Yeah I would have liked it if they had left at least one open thread

[SomeBlackDude]

Yeah I would have liked it if they had left at least one open thread

they kinda did though. hays' son is about to throw that piece of paper out, the one that had julie's address on it, but he does a double take, puts it in his pocket. i assume it means he's gonna give it to that reporter and she'll dig further.

we know she suspects that a) there was a larger conspiracy involved b) the events of the purcell case was linked or at least had similarities to the season 1 case.

honestly, would be a massive letdown if in the end they spent 35 years investigating and the great mystery is that a bootleg miss havisham just wanted a playmate. weak ending after a great season.

[rufuspaul]

I enjoyed this season but yeah, the ending was kinda a let down.

[Thorpesaurous]

they kinda did though. hays' son is about to throw that piece of paper out, the one that had julie's address on it, but he does a double take, puts it in his pocket. i assume it means he's gonna give it to that reporter and she'll dig further.

we know she suspects that a) there was a larger conspiracy involved b) the events of the purcell case was linked or at least had similarities to the season 1 case.

honestly, would be a massive letdown if in the end they spent 35 years investigating and the great mystery is that a bootleg miss havisham just wanted a playmate. weak ending after a great season.


I think the problem is that the ending we got makes too much sense. Like I said, the only way I could see a connection at this point is that if Hoyt admitted to trying to purchase a kid through the cult earlier. Or maybe if he said they were taught the brainwashing technique with the lithium through the cult. Something weird would have to come up to tie them.

I guess you could have Henry track down the girl and have her tell him about her experiences after escaping the Pink Room, and use that time to tie to the cult.

All of those though just feel like week tie ins just to make it work.

In a lot of ways it almost felt like they were poking fun at the idea of people seeing things that aren't there. Eliza was sort of mocked toward the end when she brought up the idea of a big conspiracy. Old Wayne sort mocks the entire online true crime culture.

And when it ends, Roland even outright says that they got and ending, even if it wasn't very satisfying.

[ArbitraryWater]

currently going through it, damn good stuff... :pimp:

[NumberSix]

Utterly pointless season.

[Patrick Chewing]

So can anyone tell me what happened to his wife??


I thought this season was a disappointment towards the end.