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Marchesk
01-15-2019, 03:21 AM
Not counting Wilt, who else has a longer streak?

Elgin Baylor, Kobe, MJ probably?

elementally morale
01-15-2019, 03:26 AM
Not counting Wilt, who else has a longer streak?

Elgin Baylor, Kobe, MJ probably?


I doubt either Kobe or MJ. I saw their careers... I would remember that, I think. Kobe averaged 40 for a month. And he had 4 consecutive games with 50 plus. But I think he didn't have an 18 game stretch over 40. Neither did MJ.

Baylor was before my time so I can't tell.

ImKobe
01-15-2019, 03:29 AM
I doubt either Kobe or MJ. I saw their careers... I would remember that, I think. Kobe averaged 40 for a month. And he had 4 consecutive games with 50 plus. But I think he didn't have an 18 game stretch over 40. Neither did MJ.

Baylor was before my time so I can't tell.

Kobe averaged 40.4 ppg over 23 games from dec 10th to 31st of January

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/gamelog/2006/#647-669-sum:pgl_basic

funny thing is that he took half the threes that Harden did.

Marchesk
01-15-2019, 03:30 AM
I doubt either Kobe or MJ. I saw their careers... I would remember that, I think. Kobe averaged 40 for a month. And he had 4 consecutive games with 50 plus. But I think he didn't have an 18 game stretch over 40. Neither did MJ.

Baylor was before my time so I can't tell.

Baylor averaged 38 one season, even though it was only for 48 games. But it's wild that Harden would have a longer 40 point average stretch than Kobe or MJ, if that's the case.

Marchesk
01-15-2019, 03:32 AM
Kobe averaged 40.4 ppg over 23 games from dec 10th to 31st of January

Oh, okay. Well Harden is at 40.3, but it just takes one subpar games to put him under over the next six.

23 games is a crazy long time to keep up that average post 60s.

elementally morale
01-15-2019, 03:33 AM
Kobe averaged 40.4 ppg over 23 games from dec 10th to 31st of January

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/gamelog/2006/#647-669-sum:pgl_basic

funny thing is that he took half the threes that Harden did.


Wow. I must have been wrong then. :oldlol:

elementally morale
01-15-2019, 03:36 AM
Oh, okay. Well Harden is at 40.3, but it just takes one subpar games to put him under over the next six.


Wait a minute.... technically speaking... it is possible to not average 40 a game over 19 games for Harden if he goes for 10 points the next game... but if he goes for 70 the game after that... he can have a 20 game stretch.

Based on that logic... if you are reasonably close to 40... sitting at, say... 37-38... you have a 90 point game and your season average will go up to almost 40.

Marchesk
01-15-2019, 03:46 AM
Wait a minute.... technically speaking... it is possible to not average 40 a game over 19 games for Harden if he goes for 10 points the next game... but if he goes for 70 the game after that... he can have a 20 game stretch.

Yeah, or something like 24 and then a 56.


you have a 90 point game and your season average will go up to almost 40.

Yeah. I can't imagine the reaction if Harden did somehow best Kobe's 81. Say it's some crazy high scoring, several OT game where he takes 30 threes and goes to the line 30 times.

Mr Feeny
01-15-2019, 03:49 AM
Kobe averaged 40.4 ppg over 23 games from dec 10th to 31st of January

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/gamelog/2006/#647-669-sum:pgl_basic

funny thing is that he took half the threes that Harden did.

28 shots a game and 14 Free throws a game:eek:
I can't imagine how many points Harden would average if he took that many shots and Free throws a game:oldlol:

What he's doing in comfortably more impressive than anything Kobe ever did:applause:

kennethgriffen
01-15-2019, 03:53 AM
Kobe averaged 40.4 ppg over 23 games from dec 10th to 31st of January

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/gamelog/2006/#647-669-sum:pgl_basic

funny thing is that he took half the threes that Harden did.


and kobe did that pre 14 second offensive rebound shot clocks and "freedom of movement" bullshit

Mr Feeny
01-15-2019, 03:53 AM
Wait a minute.... technically speaking... it is possible to not average 40 a game over 19 games for Harden if he goes for 10 points the next game... but if he goes for 70 the game after that... he can have a 20 game stretch.

Based on that logic... if you are reasonably close to 40... sitting at, say... 37-38... you have a 90 point game and your season average will go up to almost 40.

It depends at what point of the season he gets 90 and what his average coming in is. Just take the difference between the points total (90) and his season average divide it by the number of games played.

The more games you play, the less of a bump a bit scoring game gives you. You'll never get bumped by 2 ppg half way through the season. But yes, it's similar to Booker's 70 point game and Kobe's 81 point game. One huge scoring night would improve your scoring average by already 0.5 ppg.

elementally morale
01-15-2019, 03:54 AM
It depends at what point of the season he gets 90 and what his average coming in is. Just take the difference between the points total (90) and his season average divide it by the number of games played.

The more games you play, the less of a bump a bit scoring game gives you. You'll never get bumped by 2 ppg half way through the season. But yes, it's similar to Booker's 70 point game and Kobe's 81 point game. One huge scoring night would improve your scoring average by already 0.5 ppg.


I'm a physicist but thanks anyway. :cheers:

kennethgriffen
01-15-2019, 03:55 AM
28 shots a game and 14 Free throws a game:eek:
I can't imagine how many points Harden would average if he took that many shots and Free throws a game:oldlol:

What he's doing in comfortably more impressive than anything Kobe ever did:applause:


stop

Mr Feeny
01-15-2019, 03:55 AM
I'm a physicist but thanks anyway. :cheers:

A bit of a Non-sequiter. Not sure what that has to do with my post:oldlol:

elementally morale
01-15-2019, 03:59 AM
A bit of a Non-sequiter. Not sure what that has to do with my post:oldlol:


You just gave a detailed answer including some 5th grade maths. :applause:

Okay, I admit I may be looking totally dense. So thank you one more time.

Mr Feeny
01-15-2019, 04:09 AM
You just gave a detailed answer including some 5th grade maths. :applause:

Okay, I admit I may be looking totally dense. So thank you one more time.

No problem. I was addressing your post and explaining that you can't go from a 37 pig average to 40 ppg with an 90 point game at this point of a season. Nothing more than that.

You're welcome.

elementally morale
01-15-2019, 04:27 AM
No problem. I was addressing your post and explaining that you can't go from a 37 pig average to 40 ppg with an 90 point game at this point of a season. Nothing more than that.

You're welcome.


And you were right. That's the reason I had the word 'almost' in my original post. I didn't want to be very technical about it...

My main point was this: once you have a very long stretch of averaging 40... you are very likely to have an even longer stretch...

Mr.GOAT2408
01-15-2019, 05:16 AM
As mentioned already this has been done even by players outside of Wilt. They didn't have the luxury of 3s (in that jacking up a ton of 3s was largely seen as a nono) and all the spacing today's stars have. Harden is in the ideal situation: modern era, playing essentially PG for a coach notorious for making PGs look better than they actually are, and a lack of a true 2nd option. Greenest of green lights

LoneyROY7
01-15-2019, 05:23 AM
As mentioned already this has been done even by players outside of Wilt. They didn't have the luxury of 3s (in that jacking up a ton of 3s was largely seen as a nono) and all the spacing today's stars have. Harden is in the ideal situation: modern era, playing essentially PG for a coach notorious for making PGs look better than they actually are, and a lack of a true 2nd option. Greenest of green lights

Damn, lack of a true 2nd option and still wins the amount of games he does?? :eek: :eek:

Shit is crazy.

Kblaze8855
01-15-2019, 08:13 AM
There are quite a few people to check on who most fans just wouldnt think about. You would just have to go do the math on specific stretches. Rick Barry put up 39ppg over 3 months. It was 39ppg for 38 games. Who knows if any 18 game part of it was 40?

Kareem did 39ppg for a 16 game month and had some 50 point games near it. Again...you would have to go do the math.

Nique had a 38ppg month with 50, 41, and 40 in 3 of the first 4 games of the next month.

Baylor had a 39ppg playoff run of 13 games which came after a season where he did 38-52 in 9 of his last 12 games. Problem is...thats the season he was also serving in the army.

He was flying in often arriving moments before the game to play when he could get permission.

So on one hand you could take credit from him for not having to do it every night....or...you could give him extra for you know....being in the army and playing an NBA season at the same time without getting to practice.

Someone would need to go do the legwork on the 18 game averages.

Gotterdammerung
01-15-2019, 12:36 PM
For what it's worth.

Most consecutive games, 40 points or more:

14: Chamberlain, December 8th - 30th, 1961
14: Chamberlain, January 11th - February 1st, 1962
10: Chamberlain, November 9th - 25th, 1962
9: Jordan, November 28th - December 12th, 1986
9: Bryant, February 2nd - 23rd, 2003

5: Baylor, December 11th - 17th, 1962
5: Iverson, April 7th - 14th, 1997
5: Harden, December 25th - January 3rd, 2019
:hammerhead:

Marchesk
01-15-2019, 12:44 PM
For what it's worth.

Most consecutive games, 40 points or more:

5: Harden, December 25th - January 3rd, 2019
:hammerhead:

That's not an average.

Harden scores 30 one game, 20 the next, and then 70. That's a 40 point average over 3 games.

superduper
01-15-2019, 12:47 PM
That's not an average.

Harden scores 30 one game, 20 the next, and then 70. That's a 40 point average over 3 games.

Who was that one guy that didn't know what average meant? Was it the Bill Russell account?

:roll: :roll:

Marchesk
01-15-2019, 12:57 PM
Who was that one guy that didn't know what average meant? Was it the Bill Russell account?

:roll: :roll:

The Russell Westbrook didn't average a triple double last season thread? :oldlol:

kennethgriffen
01-15-2019, 01:01 PM
Rick Barry put up 39ppg over 3 months. It was 39ppg for 38 games. Who knows if any 18 game part of it was 40?




i notice you didn't say anything about jerry west doing anything like this


interesting

Gotterdammerung
01-15-2019, 01:02 PM
That's not an average.

Harden scores 30 one game, 20 the next, and then 70. That's a 40 point average over 3 games.
Quite so.

But it's much harder to score 40 or more per game than it is to average 40 a game, given the same amount of games.
:kobe:

Therefore, James Harden's 40 ppg over the last 18 games is not as impressive as you think it is.

:oldlol:

superduper
01-15-2019, 01:04 PM
Quite so.

But it's much harder to score 40 or more a game than it is to average 40 a game.
:kobe:

Therefore, James Harden's 40 ppg over the last 18 games is not as impressive as you think it is.

:oldlol:

I get what you're saying but whichever way you cut it 40ppg average on near 20 games is ****ing impressive as hell. Even if it is in this clown fest 3pt chucking zero defense zero rim protection era.

Kobe/Jordan would easily average 45ppg in this nonsense.

Marchesk
01-15-2019, 01:28 PM
Quite so.

But it's much harder to score 40 or more per game than it is to average 40 a game, given the same amount of games.


Sure, even Wilt's 40 point streak was only 14 games somehow. Which I don't understand, but I guess he would occasionally dip down in the 30s ever ten games or so. Assuming that's correct.

Smoke117
01-15-2019, 01:38 PM
Who cares when he'll just shrink in the playoffs? He's not a 3rd year player. What he does in the regular season means absolutely nothing at this point in his career.

RRR3
01-15-2019, 01:49 PM
i notice you didn't say anything about jerry west doing anything like this


interesting
Classic braindead Kenny.



Sobs and sobs about an imaginary anti-white (:roll:) agenda amongst the NBA and its’ fans, and goes after Kblaze when he mentioned a white guy in his post. Yeah, Rick Barry is white, you ****ing moron :oldlol:

Spurs m8
01-15-2019, 02:29 PM
How haven't Harden stans realised that no one gives a Fvck and no one is impressed.

The guy is an unwatchable fraud....

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
01-15-2019, 03:10 PM
If Harden can match even 70% of his production...in the playoffs?

I'll admit I was wrong about him.

cliffton
01-15-2019, 04:01 PM
What he is doing right now is undoubtedly impressive, but he is such a regular season stats guy. Once the playoffs come he is not even half of the same player he is now. If this James Harden played in the 18' WCF, they would have beaten the Warriors and won the championship. Unfortunately, this james Harden disappears once the second season starts. So Rockets are going to lose again in 1st or 2nd round. We all know it.

meat
01-15-2019, 04:04 PM
How haven't Harden stans realised that no one gives a Fvck and no one is impressed.

The guy is an unwatchable fraud....

Yet here you are. Again. Every single thread. You don't like watching him but you sure like talking about him.

LoneyROY7
01-15-2019, 04:44 PM
How haven't Harden stans realised that no one gives a Fvck and no one is impressed.

The guy is an unwatchable fraud....

Another m8 sighting in a Harden thread. :lol

https://media0.giphy.com/media/3ofSBs4Q1f8Q4aRFkc/giphy.gif

Proctor
01-15-2019, 05:25 PM
What he is doing right now is undoubtedly impressive, but he is such a regular season stats guy. Once the playoffs come he is not even half of the same player he is now. If this James Harden played in the 18' WCF, they would have beaten the Warriors and won the championship. Unfortunately, this james Harden disappears once the second season starts. So Rockets are going to lose again in 1st or 2nd round. We all know it.
And this is all that really needs to be said. :applause: