Zone defense legal in 2002, who dropped off hardest?

[And1AllDay]

I noticed when zone defense was illegal Jordan feasted, he put up

29 ppg
46% FG
23% 3P

But when zone defense became legal Jordan did not feast, he put up:

23 ppg
41% FG
19% 3P

Why did MJ drop off so hard once teams could actually play defense with zone?

For reference

Zone defense
https://i.postimg.cc/MH0LLJtk/Syracuse-2-3-Zone.jpg

https://media.giphy.com/media/8rEqP0GOVPIS4/giphy.gif

vs

Non-zone defense
https://i.postimg.cc/y88WwsPp/maxresdefault.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/sfWPZtWD/jordan2.jpg

So anyway, no zone = 29 ppg, 46% FG, 23% 3P

zone defense = 23 ppg, 41% FG, 19% 3P

Why did MJ drop off so hard once teams could actually play defense with zone?

[Marchesk]

Might have had something to do with his age :confusedshrug:

Wizard years don't really count.

[And1AllDay]

Might have had something to do with his age :confusedshrug:

Wizard years don't really count.
Thats true he did get older no doubt. I dont know why he keeps leaving and coming back but thats a different story.

Odd that he came back to try his "luck" at zone defense and got smothered 2 years tho

[superduper]

Mods.. another one.

[And1AllDay]

Mods.. another one.

So anyway, no zone = 29 ppg, 46% FG, 23% 3P

zone defense = 23 ppg, 41% FG, 19% 3P

Why did MJ drop off so hard once teams could actually play defense with zone?

[LAmbruh]

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[And1AllDay]

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Wow great post

I guarantee no MJ youTube fans will comment on this much like they are avoiding my posts too.

The truth is sinking and they dont like it

[HylianNightmare]

Wasn't he old and fat at that point break for the Wizards?

[And1AllDay]

Wasn't he old and fat at that point break for the Wizards?

Definitely older not sure about "fat" but def older. He also wanted to make a comeback during modern era zone defense to prove he could do it against both illegal zone (90s) and legal zone (2002).

He was proven wrong :(

[Celtics 1825]

Yeah because him being almost 40 has nothing to do with it...

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Here's the attention you wanted.

We all know that's what OP yearns :oldlol: Nobody with an ounce of integrity would make a topic like this.

[SomeBlackDude]

'96 draft class
1. Allen Iverson ('96-'01 ppg: 26.2)
5. Ray Allen ('96-'01 ppg: 19)
13. Kobe Bryant ('96-'01 ppg: 18.5)
15. Steve Nash ('96-'01 ppg: 9.1 [4.6 apg])


'06 league leading scorers

https://i.postimg.cc/BvKXCJw5/2006-NBA-PPG-Leaders.jpg


'06 mvp

https://cdn-s3.si.com/s3fs-public/2015/03/21/steve-nash-2005-nba-mvp.jpg

looks like everyone who was drafted/played in the 90s didn't have their best scoring years until the mid 00s.


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[MrFonzworth]

'96 draft class
1. Allen Iverson ('96-'01 ppg: 26.2)
5. Ray Allen ('96-'01 ppg: 19)
13. Kobe Bryant ('96-'01 ppg: 18.5)
15. Steve Nash ('96-'01 ppg: 9.1 [4.6 apg])


'06 league leading scorers

https://i.postimg.cc/BvKXCJw5/2006-NBA-PPG-Leaders.jpg


'06 mvp

https://cdn-s3.si.com/s3fs-public/2015/03/21/steve-nash-2005-nba-mvp.jpg

looks like everyone who was drafted/played in the 90s didn't have their best scoring years until the mid 00s.


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You mean players weren't at their peaks until they hit their primes? Gee whizz who would've guessed:hammerhead:

[72-10]

hard to say

Uncalled illegal defenses happened all the time before then. Many players beat them.

[SomeBlackDude]

You mean players weren't at their peaks until they hit their primes? Gee whizz who would've guessed:hammerhead:

bron's first 5 years in the league: 27.5 ppg

had his career high at the same exact time as those 90s guys i posted. his third year. at 21 years old.

31.4 ppg

kobe at that same age was putting up 19.9 ppg playing in the iso, no zone era.

go ahead.

bullshit me some more.

:yaohappy:

[scuzzy]

You mean players weren't at their peaks until they hit their primes? Gee whizz who would've guessed:hammerhead:
LMAO

Dude just jumped from rookie years to their 10th season as a comparison

Talk about rolling over in a fetal position waiving the white flag :lol

[E_Stamkos]

OP let me taste that

[Euroleague]

The NBA does not allow zone defense...WTF are you taking about?

[Bronbron23]

I noticed when zone defense was illegal Jordan feasted, he put up

29 ppg
46% FG
23% 3P

But when zone defense became legal Jordan did not feast, he put up:

23 ppg
41% FG
19% 3P

Why did MJ drop off so hard once teams could actually play defense with zone?

For reference

Zone defense
https://i.postimg.cc/MH0LLJtk/Syracuse-2-3-Zone.jpg

https://media.giphy.com/media/8rEqP0GOVPIS4/giphy.gif

vs

Non-zone defense
https://i.postimg.cc/y88WwsPp/maxresdefault.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/sfWPZtWD/jordan2.jpg

So anyway, no zone = 29 ppg, 46% FG, 23% 3P

zone defense = 23 ppg, 41% FG, 19% 3P

Why did MJ drop off so hard once teams could actually play defense with zone?
Mmmmm.....maybe because he was 40 you flicking troll. All you have to do is compare literally every other player from there 30's to there 40's
Vince Carter age 30- 25pts/age 40-8 pts
Tim Duncan Age 30-25 pts/age 39-8pts
Kareem age 30-25pts/age 40-14 pts
Karl Malone age 30-25pts/ age 40 13 pts

I could do this all day with any player in any era. This is trolling at the the highest of levels

[IGOTGAME]

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This is one of the most devastating post in Insidehoops history and should have it's own thread.

[Bronbron23]

This is one of the most devastating post in Insidehoops history and should have it's own thread.
Jordan faced plenty of double and tripple teams and zone defences. he was way to smart for them though so teams wouldn't do it constantly. They would throw them at him here and there to try and throw him off but it rarely worked. Here's an example which btw proves that diagram is a load of shit. Pretty much every game in the playoffs mj played against the Knicks was like this. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A6_GgXXR4vA

[Bawkish]

OP is clueless on anything basketball related

can't even establish a fact even on his thread title

no one's playing full zone then, even in 2000s

[And1AllDay]

This is one of the most devastating post in Insidehoops history and should have it's own thread.

Absolutely agree.

[And1AllDay]

LMAO

Dude just jumped from rookie years to their 10th season as a comparison

Talk about rolling over in a fetal position waiving the white flag :lol

Mike fans are very quiet all of a sudden :oldlol: :oldlol:

[knicksman]

f@gs hates real men coz they dont get the girls. Thats why OP is hating hard on jordan.:lol

[And1AllDay]

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Discuss

[superduper]

This dude makes the worst threads on the entire board and that's coming from me

[And1AllDay]

This dude makes the worst threads on the entire board and that's coming from me

NO ONE makes worse threads then yours.

If you want me to start trolling like your dumbass I can though

"Why did Mike win 1 game in 10 tries before Daddy Pippen"

"How many Finals did MJ lead his team in more then scoring"

"How many 70 win teams did Mike beat?"

"How come someone with 10 scoring titles doesnt lead in points scored in playoffs or regular season?"


Etc. Dont tempt me now answer the question

[superduper]

NO ONE makes worse threads then yours.

If you want me to start trolling like your dumbass I can though

"Why did Mike win 1 game in 10 tries before Daddy Pippen"

"How many Finals did MJ lead his team in more then scoring"

"How many 70 win teams did Mike beat?"

"How come someone with 10 scoring titles doesnt lead in points scored in playoffs or regular season?"


Etc. Dont tempt me now answer the question

What? You're acting like you don't make those garbage ass threads already wtf :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

What? You're acting like you don't make those garbage ass threads already wtf :oldlol:

Zone defense legal in 2002, who dropped off hardest?

[Lebron23]

Zone defense legal in 2002, who dropped off hardest?


I noticed when zone defense was illegal Jordan feasted, he put up

29 ppg
46% FG
23% 3P

But when zone defense became legal Jordan did not feast, he put up:

23 ppg
41% FG
19% 3P

Why did MJ drop off so hard once teams could actually play defense with zone?

For reference

Zone defense
https://i.postimg.cc/MH0LLJtk/Syracuse-2-3-Zone.jpg

https://media.giphy.com/media/8rEqP0GOVPIS4/giphy.gif

vs

Non-zone defense
https://i.postimg.cc/y88WwsPp/maxresdefault.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/sfWPZtWD/jordan2.jpg

So anyway, no zone = 29 ppg, 46% FG, 23% 3P

zone defense = 23 ppg, 41% FG, 19% 3P

Why did MJ drop off so hard once teams could actually play defense with zone?

Gonna give some credit to Kobe for being the best shooting guard in the zone defense era. Even the late Kobe said he wanted the nba to bring back llegal defense in 2010 after winning his 2nd finals MVP. He said it was much easier to score against the man to man defense.

[TheCorporation]

Why did MJ drop off so hard once teams could actually play defense with zone?

Zone defense

https://media.giphy.com/media/8rEqP0GOVPIS4/giphy.gif

vs

Non-zone defense
https://i.postimg.cc/y88WwsPp/maxresdefault.jpg


that MJ illegal zone pic :roll::roll:

Gets me every time

[Overdrive]

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2nd defense wouldn't have been illegal in 96, 86 or 56. Imagine posting an on ball double team as an example for zone defense..