Toyota just ruined the Supra

[Vino24]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka4Vo_ZvUaM
:facepalm using a bmw z4 engine wtf Toyota. They were obviously trying to make this car more affordable but even at 50k this car is trash. Why couldn't they have developed their own engine? This car will not be mod friendly at all.

[Draz]

Not a fan of the wide body style anyways. There was NO way to please supra enthusiasts with a new model.

[Vino24]

Not a fan of the wide body style anyways. There was NO way to please supra enthusiasts with a new model.
Toyota is famous for using the same parts for DECADES. Throw an old 2jz engine in there and they will sell like hot cakes.

[highwhey]

nobody likes it. it

[Draz]

It'll still sell. When comparing it to cars in its class it'll sell very well.

[Vino24]

It'll still sell. When comparing it to cars in its class it'll sell very well.
but for 50k+? its only 340hp. You can get a base mustang gt for damn near 30k and have 460hp. 120hp more for 20k less :wtf:

[warriorfan]

Yuck. I don

[HylianNightmare]

Isn't the focus RS pumping out 350 awd fpr arpund 30k?

[Long Duck Dong]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka4Vo_ZvUaM
:facepalm using a bmw z4 engine wtf Toyota. They were obviously trying to make this car more affordable but even at 50k this car is trash. Why couldn't they have developed their own engine? This car will not be mod friendly at all.


I believe the entire powertrain and platform is essentially the same as the z4.

[dunksby]

What the ****? It looks like a retarded child of an SLS and a Z4 :facepalm

[kennethgriffen]

it looks like it flipped over in an accident and they tried fixing it but couldnt

[Mr Exlax]

Barf

[n00bie]

Engine , transmission, chassis, suspension, interior is ALL BMW. Hell even the windshield and windows have BMW codes. This shit is just a rebadged Z4.

Toyota claims they did their own tuning for the Supra but the Z4 is over 380hp. So wtf did Toyota do? Detune it?

How did Toyota execs really think making this car would be a good idea? Its ugly, its way too small because it needed to use the Z4 frame, it only comes in automatic, and the price point is way off. 55k usd??? Not to mention after 25 years they only managed to make the Supra 15hp faster. MKIV Supras are jumping up in price now.

[coin24]

On top of looking like crap, it only comes in auto:lol

Rumour has it subaru is doing the same with the new version wrx out later this year..


Time for Mazda to wake the fu*k up and release a new turbo manual rx7. We're waiting...

[nathanjizzle]

I like it a lot. design is outstanding. Im sure its loaded with performance tech.

[nathanjizzle]

On top of looking like crap, it only comes in auto:lol

Rumour has it subaru is doing the same with the new version wrx out later this year..


Time for Mazda to wake the fu*k up and release a new turbo manual rx7. We're waiting...

rx9. no such thing as manuals anymore, transmissions are double clutched and uses electronic shifting.

[AlternativeAcc.]

I like it a lot. design is outstanding. Im sure its loaded with performance tech.
This

That thing is nice if you're on a budget

[fiddy]

Seems stuck somewhere between a Benz and a Porsche.

[Lord P]

:lol
Would rather just get an M3

[scuzzy]

Fast n Furious director foaming at the mouth


Fast n Furious CGI fuming at the work hours needed to implement Paul Walker in the next film

[Long Duck Dong]

rx9. no such thing as manuals anymore, transmissions are double clutched and uses electronic shifting.

:whatever:

[DukeDelonte13]

:whatever:


he's not wrong. It's just the way it is.

[coin24]

he's not wrong. It's just the way it is.


In certain models, not all.

[AirBonner]

The new vette has an optional 7 speed manual

[Draz]

BMW M3, M4 and M5 are all superior machines over this

[egokiller]

but for 50k+? its only 340hp. You can get a base mustang gt for damn near 30k and have 460hp. 120hp more for 20k less :wtf:

:roll:

My 2013 and 2018 four door sedans damn near put out that much.

[Vino24]

:roll:

My 2013 and 2018 four door sedans damn near put out that much.
it's stupidly priced. so much more car you can buy at that price point. with that car you can get ragged on buy most suv's :oldlol:

[Draz]

In defense to the car itself, it's probably more of a driver's car than anything else. The dynamics, the ability to navigate corners. It definitely wasn't built stock to perform.

[highwhey]

the problem with the price point is that toyota went full lazy on this so they're passing on the premuim price tag to the customers. i.e the $50k price tag is the result of toyota rebranding an existing product. rebranded products almost always come at a premium bc there's an additional party that has to be paid off, in this case, BMW.

congrats if you're foolish enough to pay a middleman for a re-branded product. consumerism at its finest.

[Axe]

I don't know but i honestly like the exterior design of this supra. Sure, it doesn't look like its original model but at least it's not a wannabe unlike say, the hyundai veloster.

[rawimpact]

50K isn't even that much... i mean a toyota avalon starts at 44k. Car prices have jumped but so has performance and in that aspect, toyota has always been behind.

[n00bie]

I don't know but i honestly like the exterior design of this supra. Sure, it doesn't look like its original model but at least it's not a wannabe unlike say, the hyundai veloster.

It's the only car in history marketed as a sports / track car that doesnt come with a manual or DCT transmission. It's a more wannabe car than the Hyundai.

[Axe]

It's the only car in history marketed as a sports / track car that doesnt come with a manual or DCT transmission. It's a more wannabe car than the Hyundai.
Lol you obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about. And dct sounds like a retarded tranny.

[n00bie]

Lol you obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about. And dct sounds like a retarded tranny.

Wtf? Do you even know what a DCT is?

[Axe]

Wtf? Do you even know what a DCT is?
Lmao why ask that all of a sudden? That's an unreliable tranny which has potential to overheat when your car becomes stuck in traffic for a long time.

[n00bie]

Lmao why ask that all of a sudden? That's an unreliable tranny which has potential to overheat when your car becomes stuck in traffic for a long time.

I never had a DCT overheat in traffic.

[Draz]

The car has grown on me over the past year. It looks way better in person. I see with some tuning the car has a lot of potential. They're also prone to releasing a trim lower to reduce the price. The new FT86 is rumored to have a refresh but as a GR86 and will more than likely have a turbo with 240-250HP

[Andrei89]

I stopped watching after the guy said his name is " Schmee"

**** off

[Axe]

I never had a DCT overheat in traffic.
Assuming that you live and roam around in a place where traffic is mild or non-existent, the probability of that thing overheating is low.

[Vino24]

With the new c8 corvette out this car is even more overpriced. You need a bigger turbo tune down pipe just to reach a stock c8 which costs the same as this car

[Axe]

With the new c8 corvette out this car is even more overpriced. You need a bigger turbo tune down pipe just to reach a stock c8 which costs the same as this car
But too bad the c8 is considered to be more uglier by many people. And ain't it cheaper simply because it still has an old, pushrod engine?

[AirBonner]

But too bad the c8 is considered to be more uglier by many people. And ain't it cheaper simply because it still has an old, pushrod engine?

Eye of the beholder. The performance blows the Supra out of the water. The proven potential of the ls engine also blows the bmw engine out of the water.

[Axe]

Eye of the beholder. The performance blows the Supra out of the water. The proven potential of the ls engine also blows the bmw engine out of the water.
Naturally, the corvette belongs to a higher tier compared to the supra. Would have been much better though if it had the newer v8 power plant instead.

[n00bie]

Naturally, the corvette belongs to a higher tier compared to the supra. Would have been much better though if it had the newer v8 power plant instead.

Which is why so many people think poorly of the new Supra.

90s Supra competed with the Corvettes, Porsche 911, NSX, GTR etc.

2020 Supra can't compete with the new Corvette, competes with a Cayman, Civic Type-R and a Nissan 370z.

[Axe]

Which is why so many people think poorly of the new Supra.

90s Supra competed with the Corvettes, Porsche 911, NSX, GTR etc.

2020 Supra can't compete with the new Corvette, competes with a Cayman, Civic Type-R and a Nissan 370z.
Its very own srp is obviously the greatest culprit there. A new lfa could have been better but it will probably be ten times more of its price tag while just being twice as powerful. Who knows.

[AirBonner]

Its very own srp is obviously the greatest culprit there. A new lfa could have been better but it will probably be ten times more of its price tag while just being twice as powerful. Who knows.

The Problem is Toyota plays it too safe. Toyota has the funds and capability of producing a much better car at a good price. That 5.7L in the Tundra would have been an amazing powerplant for the Supra.

[Axe]

The Problem is Toyota plays it too safe. Toyota has the funds and capability of producing a much better car at a good price. That 5.7L in the Tundra would have been an amazing powerplant for the Supra.
Just shows that toyota is actually resting on their own laurels and that their developers are simply caught napping. To make matters worse, this practice of theirs is not only limited to their r&d team but some of their markets worldwide as well.

[GimmeThat]

they didn't straight out make a vehicle that runs on less than ideal road conditions, however, servicing remains a strategy for their global marketing.

[Axe]

I'm still amazed that the bigger yet cheaper mustang still has a lot of potential to be faster than the new supra. And a $35k difference is already enough to tell which is the real bargain.

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/toyota-supra-vs-ford-mustang-gt-which-is-faster/

[Nanners]

I'm still amazed that the bigger yet cheaper mustang still has a lot of potential to be faster than the new supra. And a $35k difference is already enough to tell which is the real bargain.

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/toyota-supra-vs-ford-mustang-gt-which-is-faster/

The Mustang GT starts at 40k compared to 50k for the Supra... where are you seeing a $35k difference?

Anyway, I am still amazed that the Tesla model 3 performance can be had for $55k (or $50k if you are lucky enough to snag one of the rare "stealth" trim models like I did), and yet it blows the doors off virtually any combustion car under ~$100k (aside from the c8 corvette and maybe one or two other cars that are focused 100% on performance... there certainly arent any 4-doors that come remotely close to the m3p on price/performance ratio)

[Axe]

The Mustang GT starts at 40k compared to 50k for the Supra... where are you seeing a $35k difference?

Here in our market somewhere in asia/pacific, the v8 mustang costs around almost $65k while the supra is roughly around $100k. Idk why but it's fukking way too op here, despite it being smaller with 100 less hp and an 8-speed gearbox compared to the latter.

Meanwhile, the c8 corvette also seems attractive with its pricing, given its racer mr layout like many ferraris but i think the pushrod v8 is a tad bit old already, despite it being adequate for what it is.


Anyway, I am still amazed that the tesla model 3 performance can be had for 55k (or 50k if you were lucky enough to snag the "stealth" trim level like I did), and yet it blows the doors off virtually any combustion car under ~$100k (aside from the c8 corvette and maybe one or two other cars that are focused 100% on performance... there certainly arent any 4-doors that come remotely close to the m3p on price/performance ratio)
Yes i know you love tesla so much but i still prefer traditional coupes.

[Nanners]

Here in our market somewhere in asia/pacific, the v8 mustang costs around almost $65k while the supra is roughly around $100k. Idk why but it's fukking way too op here, despite it being smaller with 100 less hp and an 8-speed gearbox compared to the latter.

Meanwhile, the c8 corvette also seems attractive with its pricing, given its racer mr layout like many ferraris but i think the pushrod v8 is a tad bit old already, despite it being adequate for what it is.

Damn... your market is kinda brutal.

Here the V8 Mustang starts at $40k, the Supra at $50k... while the C8 Corvette starts at $60k.


Yes i know you love tesla so much but i still prefer traditional coupes.

Have you ever driven one? I do indeed love my Tesla, but its not like my love is based on "feelings" or saving the environment or some other faggy lib nonsense like that... I love my Tesla because I have been a car guy my entire life, and I have never experienced any other vehicle that comes remotely close to providing the feeling you get from the instant and insane torque produced by a powerful electric vehicle.

[Axe]

Damn... your market is kinda brutal.

Here the V8 Mustang starts at $40k, the Supra at $50k... while the C8 Corvette starts at $60k.
Ikr right. :(

It's hard to be living in some third world developing nation.


Have you ever driven one? I do indeed love my Tesla, but its not like my love is based on "feelings" or saving the environment or some other faggy lib nonsense like that... I love my Tesla because I have been a car guy my entire life, and I have never experienced any other vehicle that comes remotely close to providing the feeling you get from the instant and insane torque produced by a powerful electric vehicle.
Not yet lol. Teslas here are a very rare sight and locally, they're only available in the grey market but for sure, they won't be cheap when they're present in dealers.

But i did like the design of the tesla roadster from 2008. Size was very similar to the latest mx5, which my dad currently has but ofc, that tesla is all electricity compared to mazda's skyactiv tech & stuff.

[Nanners]

Ikr right. :(

It's hard to be living in some third world developing nation.

Philippines? No doubt there are some downsides to living there, but I'm sure its not all bad :oldlol:



Not yet lol. Teslas here are a very rare sight and locally, they're only available in the grey market but for sure, they won't be cheap when they're present in dealers.

I def wouldnt buy one unless there were local dealerships to service it... not that they need service often (in ~8mo of ownership mine has not had a single issue), but Tesla does everything in their power to prevent rando mechanics from being able to do any serious work on their cars (one of my few complaints with them)


But i did like the design of the tesla roadster from 2008. Size was very similar to the latest mx5, which my dad currently has but ofc, that tesla is all electricity compared to mazda's skyactiv tech & stuff.

The original roadster was basically just a modified Lotus Elise... no doubt it was very similar to the mx5