2006 Kobe better than 2nd 3 peat Jordan?

[Walk on Water]

What do you think? I recently started watching Jordan’s games from 96-98. And it looks like he slowed a bit. But he did close a lot of games with heart and will. He missed a lot of shots throughout the game though. But I remember Kobe going on streaks and making every single shot. I’m wondering if you think Kobe at his best was better than 2nd run MJ.

[NBASTATMAN]

[QUOTE=Walk on Water]What do you think? I recently started watching Jordan

[kennethgriffen]

i'd rank them

#1 2006 Kobe
#2 2007 Kobe
#3 1990 Jordan
#4 1989 Jordan
#5 2003 Kobe
#6 1991 Jordan
#7 2009 Kobe
#8 1992 Jordan
#9 1993 Jordan
#10 2008 Kobe
#11 2001 Kobe
#12 2002 Kobe
#13 1996 Jordan
#14 1997 Jordan
#15 2010 Kobe
#16 1998 Jordan
#17 1988 Jordan
#18 1987 Jordan
#19 2013 Kobe
#20 2012 Kobe
#21 2004 Kobe
#22 2011 Kobe
#23 2000 Kobe
#24 1985 Jordan
#25 1999 Kobe



the rest were old/benched/fraction of the season or injured versions of them and not worth mentioning

[kennethgriffen]

Better at choking? yes.. Dude had a series in his hands but he kept choking :roll: :applause:


he scored 50 and lost. tried passing and nobody hit shots. choking?

[FKAri]

he scored 50 and lost. tried passing and nobody hit shots. choking?
That was LeHuge in the finals vs the GOAT team. We're talking about Kobe in the 1st round vs the no-defense Suns

[Dray n Klay]

That was LeHuge in the finals vs the GOAT team. We're talking about Kobe in the 1st round vs the no-defense Suns
:lol

[kennethgriffen]

That was LeHuge in the finals vs the GOAT team. We're talking about Kobe in the 1st round vs the no-defense Suns


kobe went down firing when he scored 50


howd lebron fair in OT

[Lakessss]

kobe went down firing when he scored 50


howd lebron fair in OT
Did Kobe go out firing when he missed the playoffs in 2005? :oldlol:
How are you in the finals a season before and then the following season your out of the playoffs? Doesn

[kennethgriffen]

[QUOTE=Lakessss]Did Kobe go out firing when he missed the playoffs in 2005? :oldlol:
How are you in the finals a season before and then the following season your out of the playoffs? Doesn

[Dray n Klay]

kobe and odom missed nearly 20 games each in 2005... he carried a worse lineup to the players the next 2 years

What

[Manny98]

I don't even like Jordan but there is absolutely no way 06 Kobe is better than 91,89,90 Jordan :facepalm

[Gileraracer]

Lebron stans look like this when answering here:

https://memegenerator.net/img/images/300x300/15808356.jpg


"Do i give props to MJ or Lebron? I need to play them down to convince veryone that Lebron is GOAT" :mad:

[tpols]

Better at choking? yes.. Dude had a series in his hands but he kept choking :roll: :applause:


By getting ray allen'ed by Tim Thomas?

If anything, putting smush kwame Lakers in a position to beat a 2 seed like that was outstanding in itself.

[Real14]

hmm. Actually no.

[Hey Yo]

[QUOTE=Walk on Water]What do you think? I recently started watching Jordan

[ShawkFactory]

i'd rank them

#1 2006 Kobe
#2 2007 Kobe
#3 1990 Jordan
#4 1989 Jordan
#5 2003 Kobe
#6 1991 Jordan
#7 2009 Kobe
#8 1992 Jordan
#9 1993 Jordan
#10 2008 Kobe
#11 2001 Kobe
#12 2002 Kobe
#13 1996 Jordan
#14 1997 Jordan
#15 2010 Kobe
#16 1998 Jordan
#17 1988 Jordan
#18 1987 Jordan
#19 2013 Kobe
#20 2012 Kobe
#21 2004 Kobe
#22 2011 Kobe
#23 2000 Kobe
#24 1985 Jordan
#25 1999 Kobe



the rest were old/benched/fraction of the season or injured versions of them and not worth mentioning
Oh. My. God.

:roll:

[kennethgriffen]

Oh. My. God.

:roll:


2006 and 07 kobe is the greatest player ever


hes like jordan/steph combined with wilts scoring binges


he did all he could with kwame and smush against a 5 headed monster

[ShawkFactory]

2006 and 07 kobe is the greatest player ever


hes like jordan/steph combined with wilts scoring binges


he did all he could with kwame and smush against a 5 headed monster
Ok :lol

[Manny98]

2006 and 07 kobe is the greatest player ever



Greatest player ever getting destroyed in the 1st round and losing the MVP to Steve Nash? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[kennethgriffen]

Greatest player ever getting destroyed in the 1st round and losing the MVP to Steve Nash? :roll: :roll: :roll:


suns were loaded... jordans best years were seasons he got destroyed too..

lebrons 2017 and 2018 skills were supposedly at an all time high and he got obliterated by the first real team he faced

shit happens


2006 kobe is the goat version of a basketball player


he was playstation come to life

[Manny98]

suns were loaded... jordans best years were seasons he got destroyed too..

lebrons 2017 and 2018 skills were supposedly at an all time high and he got obliterated by the first real team he faced

shit happens


2006 kobe is the goat version of a basketball player


he was playstation come to life
They weren't loaded they were missing there go to scorer in Amare and Kobe still lost

He even had a 3-1 lead and blew it imagine the best player of all time choking a 3-1 lead

[Lakessss]

They weren't loaded they were missing there go to scorer in Amare and Kobe still lost

He even had a 3-1 lead and blew it imagine the best player of all time choking a 3-1 lead
How are you playstation come to life and choke a 3-1 lead to the Suns??
:roll: :roll: :roll:


What has Kobe done to you Kenny.. Now I just feel bad for picking on you

[StrongLurk]

Peak Kobe is better than second 3 peat Jordan.

[kennethgriffen]

They weren't loaded they were missing there go to scorer in Amare and Kobe still lost

He even had a 3-1 lead and blew it imagine the best player of all time choking a 3-1 lead


steve nash
shawn marion
boris diaw
leandro barbosa
tim thomas
raja bell
eddie house
james jones

vs

kobe bryant
lamar odom
kwame brown
smush parker
luke walton
brian cookie



go **** yourself

[Da_Realist]

[QUOTE=Walk on Water]What do you think? I recently started watching Jordan

[Da_Realist]

I don't know what you guys are looking at. I'm taking 2nd 3Peat MJ all day. You can have the regular season scoring binges. It doesn't matter if you give up a 3-1 lead in the first round and lose the deciding game by 31 points.

Give me the guy that will give you 38 and a W on the road in the swing game of the NBA Finals while dehydrated and sick.

[Kblaze8855]

The 05 suns were loaded. 06? No Amare or Joe Johnson.

Good team. Not exceptionally loaded.

Marion and role players behind a superstar is below the standard of most any team ever considered stacked.

Far as 06 Kobe vs Jordan?

Look at what AI, Lebron, arenas, Pierce, redd, and ray Allen put up scoring wise compared to the rest of their careers. Watch wade in the finals.It

[kennethgriffen]

The 05 suns were loaded. 06? No Amare or Joe Johnson.

Good team. Not exceptionally loaded.

Marion and role players behind a superstar is below the standard of most any team ever considered stacked.

Far as 06 Kobe vs Jordan?

Look at what AI, Lebron, arenas, Pierce, redd, and ray Allen put up scoring wise compared to the rest of their careers. Watch wade in the finals.It’s fairly clear the rule changes hit hard in 06. Put 1993 MJ in 2006 on a bad team and see how it goes. Pre prime raw Lebron did 31 a game and post prime AI did 33.

Kobe had a bit of a Harden 19 year with new applications of the rules giving a scoring boost.

Jordan missed 06 and 19. We can’t all acknowledge the easier league now compared to 06 and not act like perimeter scorers didn’t have a huge explosion in 06 relative to Jordan’s day.

06 Kobe would murder 19....90 Jordan would murder 06.

Not much arguing either of those points for anyone who saw the times in question.


for 2006 the suns were loaded even without amare


you're thinking of loaded in the sense of how it is today or was during other eras



back in the mid 00's the suns were an offensive juggernaut



people forget how great marion was.. he's a boarderline hall of famer

barbosa was one of the most underrated players in the nba at the time

bell was considered some big defensive stopper at the time

boris diaw was a basketball wizard

tim thomas was a do it all guy

eddie house is one of the best 3 point shooting role players ever

james jones was another sharp shooter from distance


all perfect complimentary pieces


and of course you had nash ( the best playmaker in the game at the time ) orchestrating all of it




put that up against kobe and bums and its amazing they won 3 games and came within a rebound of eliminating them

[Phoenix]

Look at what AI, Lebron, arenas, Pierce, redd, and ray Allen put up scoring wise compared to the rest of their careers. Watch wade in the finals.It’s fairly clear the rule changes hit hard in 06. Put 1993 MJ in 2006 on a bad team and see how it goes. Pre prime raw Lebron did 31 a game and post prime AI did 33.



That point rarely seems to get raised in these discussions about 2006. Thank you. EVERYONE enjoyed peak raw scoring ppg years regardless of whether they were pre-prime( Lebron), prime( Kobe), or back end of prime(Iverson). You just mentioned guards, look at Dirk ( a perimeter oriented PF). Career high PPG in 2006( who beat his prior career high in 05 by half a point). It's too bad Tmac was already getting serious back issues by the 05 season, because 2003 Tmac would have shit all over the league offensively that year as well.

[Gus Hemmingway]

blowing a 3-1 to a Suns team missing Amare and Joe Johnson :roll: :roll:

[kennethgriffen]

blowing a 3-1 to a Suns team missing Amare and Joe Johnson :roll: :roll:


how were they missing joe johnson when they traded him for boris diaw


a guy that annihilated lebron in the finals


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxT10XO2Zfg

[Kblaze8855]

The 06 Suns were good. And Kobe did all one could expect taking it to 7 games. No problem with that...

Its just seems we have lost any way of describing a team that is good with anyone but loaded or stacked. People calling the Lakers stacked now....you were saying the Nuggets....it seems teams have two options....

Ass....or loaded.

We take everything to such extremes.

The 06 suns were a good team. Very good. Its true the standards have changed over the years but they were already changing then. It wasnt back to 01 when the Lakers having 2 superstars made them untouchable.

06? Quite a few teams had a #2 who could hang with the likes of Marion and then some solid role players behind them.

It was a legit good team. Kobe should not have won that series.

But they werent just stacked. Its kinda like the 15 and 16 Warriors. More a great team than a stacked lineup. Cant account for chemistry.

[Kblaze8855]

how were they missing joe johnson when they traded him for boris diaw


a guy that annihilated lebron in the finals


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxT10XO2Zfg



We calling sign and trades real trades now?

Joe just signed with atlanta. Diaw and 2 picks were compensation to let him get a bigger deal....much like how Moses malone was "traded" to the 76ers or Lebron was "traded" to the Heat.

Its a free agent signing with a deal worked out to help each team.

[kennethgriffen]

The 06 Suns were good. And Kobe did all one could expect taking it to 7 games. No problem with that...

Its just seems we have lost any way of describing a team that is good with anyone but loaded or stacked. People calling the Lakers stacked now....you were saying the Nuggets....it seems teams have two options....

Ass....or loaded.

We take everything to such extremes.

The 06 suns were a good team. Very good. Its true the standards have changed over the years but they were already changing then. It wasnt back to 01 when the Lakers having 2 superstars made them untouchable.

06? Quite a few teams had a #2 who could hang with the likes of Marion and then some solid role players behind them.

It was a legit good team. Kobe should not have won that series.

But they werent just stacked. Its kinda like the 15 and 16 Warriors. More a great team than a stacked lineup. Cant account for chemistry.


marion averaged 20ppg, 12rpg, 2spg, 1bpg on 49%fg's in the 2006 playoffs


he was their 3rd guy before amare went down


i dunno too many teams that had a 2nd guy like that let alone a 3rd guy

[kennethgriffen]

We calling sign and trades real trades now?

Joe just signed with atlanta. Diaw and 2 picks were compensation to let him get a bigger deal....much like how Moses malone was "traded" to the 76ers or Lebron was "traded" to the Heat.

Its a free agent signing with a deal worked out to help each team.


that could be one of the best deals any team ever got for a sign and trade


diaw is one of the smartest players ever



i bet you didn't know this but diaw averaged 19ppg, 7rpg, 5apg, 1spg, 1bpg on 53%fg's in the 2006 playoffs over 20 games



did i say they were stacked?

[3ball]

I'm gonna be honest, 2nd three-peat MJ was more dominant than Kobe, but Kobe had a way of elevating teammates that rivaled and sometimes exceeded Jordan's

I remember cheering against Kobe during that time, and it annoyed the hell out of me that he was in so many games with dogshit teammates - seriously, this guy gave Brian cook a career.. this guy, and medvedenko, and kwame, and smush, and so many stiffs to name - they all actually played pretty good and hit big shots all the time - I give Kobe and his sheer desire a lot of the credit for elevating these guys.. these guys did fear him - they feared not living up to his standard and played their ass off for him

[kennethgriffen]

I'm gonna be honest, 2nd three-peat MJ was more dominant than Kobe, but Kobe had a way of elevating teammates that rivaled and sometimes exceeded Jordan's

I remember cheering against Kobe during that time, and it annoyed the hell out of me that he was in so many games with dogshit teammates - seriously, this guy gave Brian cook a career.. this guy, and medvedenko, and kwame, and smush, and so many stiffs to name - they all actually played pretty good and hit big shots all the time - I give Kobe and his sheer desire a lot of the credit for elevating these guys.. these guys did fear him - they feared not living up to his standard and played their ass off for him


common man. you give a little you get a little


if i'm gonna be respectful and say jordans the goat then the least you could do is say peak kobe was better than 33-35 year old mj



the guy was on his last legs gassing out a ton and had a bit of luck to get those last 3 rings

rodmans was arguable finals mvp in 96

kerrs title winner in 97

running on fumes and getting some phantom fouls at the end of game 6 in 98 ... then the brutal achilles chop no call game winner


over that 3 year stretch jordan had 3 games of 50+ points and topped out at 51


kobe had 10 games of 50+ in one season for **** sakes

55 in a half during the 81 vs toronto... 62 in 3 quarters vs dallas

4 straight 50's with 2 60 point games sandwiched in there

are you seriously gonna ****ing try and sit there and tell people you think that old busted up MJ was better??

he was still dominant yes.. still mvp caliber yes. on the level of kobe at his best? F*CK NO


only absolute peak MJ and absolute peak wilt come close to kobe individually


do you seriously want me as an enemy?


smarten up

[3ball]

common man. you give a little you get a little


if i'm gonna be respectful and say jordans the goat then the least you could do is say peak kobe was better than 33-35 year old mj



the guy was on his last legs gassing out a ton and had a bit of luck to get those last 3 rings

rodmans was arguable finals mvp in 96

kerrs title winner in 97

running on fumes and getting some phantom fouls at the end of game 6 in 98 ... then the brutal achilles chop no call game winner


over that 3 year stretch jordan had 3 games of 50+ points and topped out at 51


kobe had 10 games of 50+ in one season for **** sakes

55 in a half during the 81 vs toronto... 62 in 3 quarters vs dallas

4 straight 50's with 2 60 point games sandwiched in there

are you seriously gonna ****ing try and sit there and tell people you think that old busted up MJ was better??

he was still dominant yes.. still mvp caliber yes. on the level of kobe at his best? F*CK NO


only absolute peak MJ and absolute peak wilt come close to kobe individually


do you seriously want me as an enemy?


smarten up
Knowing how jordan played (like Kobe), the stats tell the story

And they don't come remotely close to supporting a case for Kobe

He had a 19.9 PER in the 2006 playoffs

Should I go on?

[kennethgriffen]

98 mj got his ass torn apart by a 19 year old kobe in both regular season games for christ sake


imagine him trying to defend 2006 kobe


daaaaaa f*ck

[Manny98]

98 mj got his ass torn apart by a 19 year old kobe in both regular season games for christ sake


imagine him trying to defend 2006 kobe


daaaaaa f*ck
And Kobe got torn apart by Steve Nash in the playoffs even lost the MVP to him :roll:

[Uncle Drew]

i'd rank them

#1 2006 Kobe
#2 2007 Kobe
#3 1990 Jordan
#4 1989 Jordan
#5 2003 Kobe
#6 1991 Jordan
#7 2009 Kobe
#8 1992 Jordan
#9 1993 Jordan
#10 2008 Kobe
#11 2001 Kobe
#12 2002 Kobe
#13 1996 Jordan
#14 1997 Jordan
#15 2010 Kobe
#16 1998 Jordan
#17 1988 Jordan
#18 1987 Jordan
#19 2013 Kobe
#20 2012 Kobe
#21 2004 Kobe
#22 2011 Kobe
#23 2000 Kobe
#24 1985 Jordan
#25 1999 Kobe



the rest were old/benched/fraction of the season or injured versions of them and not worth mentioning
Hahahahaha.

[3ball]

98 mj got his ass torn apart by a 19 year old kobe in both regular season games for christ sake


imagine him trying to defend 2006 kobe


daaaaaa f*ck
No he didn't - Kobe played well in Chicago that year, but 98' MJ still exceeded him that game, and then destroyed him in the all-star game in front of a bigger TV audience

he scored on Kobe 5 times mono-a-mono and stuffed (https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-10-2015/EStPHq.gif) Kobe's attempt at an iverson crossover

[Uncle Drew]

No he didn't - Kobe played well in Chicago that year, but 98' MJ still exceeded him that game, and then destroyed him in the all-star game in front of a bigger TV audience

he scored on Kobe 5 times mono-a-mono and stuffed (https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-10-2015/EStPHq.gif) Kobe's attempt at an iverson crossover
You mean mano a mano, lmao. Mono a mono would translate to monkey against monkey. That 3ball racism.

[3ball]

You mean mano a mano, lmao. Mono a mono would translate to monkey against monkey. That 3ball racism.
:oldlol:

No more colloquialisms

[ShawkFactory]

You mean mano a mano, lmao. Mono a mono would translate to monkey against monkey. That 3ball racism.
You mean mano y mano :lol

[Young X]

You guys don't get it, man.

Kobe literally quit on his team in a game 7. You cannot do that if you're better than Jordan.

I remember watching that game and being furious at Kobe.

[Doranku]

Jordan literally quit on his team for two seasons. :confusedshrug:

[hiphopanonymous]

Kobe one of the last players untainted by the "participation award" era that followed. Somehow his traveling lifestyle sheltered him from participation awards and he had a competitive fire like legends before him such as MJ :applause:

[Walk on Water]

MJ missed a lot of shots but had a better fg% in all three years than Kobe did in 2006 :wtf:


That’s what weird because I don’t even remember Kobe missing a shot. I was rooting for the Warriors and me and my friends were at the bar watching Kobe single handidly beating us. My friend was in awe and asked, “Does he ever miss?” And when the Warriors lost, Kobe had 48 and my friend said at least he didn’t score 50.. since he did the previous 4 games.

[kennethgriffen]

Jordan literally quit on his team for two seasons. :confusedshrug:



this lol


wtf.. kobes more loyal/competitive/dedicated than jordan could ever dream of being


imagine kobe quitting after 2002 for 2 years

then quitting after 2010 for 3 years

then coming back to play for the atlanta hawks in 2013 to spite LA management and chase a front office/player role


then never returning even once to be a part of the laker family

then going up for his retirement speech in 2021 and shitting on the buss family and mitch/jerry for saying their decisions helped win championships and thats why you ditched the franchise... as if adding guys like rodman/kerr/kukoc/harper didn't ensure another 3 peat

[kennethgriffen]

Knowing how jordan played (like Kobe), the stats tell the story

And they don't come remotely close to supporting a case for Kobe

He had a 19.9 PER in the 2006 playoffs

Should I go on?


the stats tell the story?

PER?


are you ****ed in the head


you sound like a bran stan.. lebrons gonna end up with 10,000 more points than mj and a better all around line for his career.


you're not nearly as smart as you proclaim and i'm ashamed i gave it up to your guy out of respect... truthfully i've always had kareem #1


jordan was dog shit in highschool. a second banana for half his college days and never had the impact right out of the gate like kareem did. nor the longevity. nor the peak. kareem was a finals mvp in 1971 and again in 1985


thats 14 years of elite dominance at a finals mvp level... no other guy has more than half that sustained level of play on the highest stage


jordan missed the playoffs with the wizards at an age when kareem was complimenting and helping his team win titles



jordan may have had more finals mvps. but kareem wasn't a ball hog on a team built on defense where one guy could chuck 30 times without disrupting the rhythm


kareems sky hook is more unstoppable than any jordan maneuver


kareems rim protection is more valuable than jordan guarding a midget on the perimeter



you just got an enemy you old f@ggot.. pushing a 35 year old that could barely average 3 assists and had a 1.24 point per shot


kobes point per shot in 2006 was 1.30

in 2007 it was 1.38 ( near james hardens all time best this year )




congrats f@ck face... your life around her is about to get way more difficult

[3ball]

.
Jordan 98' Playoffs:. 32/5/4.. 28.1 PER.. 0.265 ws/48.. 6.2 bpm.. 1.8 vorp..
Bryant 06' Playoffs:.. 27/6/5.. 19.9 PER.. 0.087 ws/48.. 2.1 bpm.. 0.2 vorp

Kobe with 33.8% (https://stats.nba.com/player/977/usage/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4) of his team's 4th quarter points while on the floor in the 2006 playoffs, compared to 48.8% (https://stats.nba.com/player/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4) for MJ in 98' PO

Kobe got zero MVP's in 2006, while MJ swept the 3 MVP's in 1998, and had the goat clutch Finals of all time...

Ultimately, 98' MJ wins raw stats, advanced stats, accolades, clutch - and Kobe wins nothing except butchering a 3-1 lead.. only a fool would take 06' Kobe over 98' MJ.. Kobe is a 6'6" iverson chucker, while 98' MJ was blowing our minds with his 6th ring and iconic final shot.. it's not close
.

[kennethgriffen]

please leave ISH 3ball... you're killing jordans legacy

[3ball]

please leave ISH 3ball... you're killing jordans legacy
Peak Kobe < 98' MJ

[kennethgriffen]

Peak Kobe < 98' MJ


rank these 4 players individually

1989 michael jordan
1990 michael jordan
2012 lebron james
2013 lebron james


:lol

[raprap]

Damn Kenny cucking 3ball into submission. :eek:

#mambamentality

[Da_Realist]

rank these 4 players individually

1989 michael jordan
1990 michael jordan
2012 lebron james
2013 lebron james


:lol

You did already

[kennethgriffen]

You did already



id swap 90 mj with 89 mj but to each his own


fact is that one question obliterates 3balls logic

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

1996 and 1997 Jordan were better than peak Kobe.




rank these 4 players individually

1989 michael jordan
1990 michael jordan
2012 lebron james
2013 lebron james

fact is that one question obliterates 3balls logic


:lol

What does any of that mean?

I've probably never defended 3ball and wonder if he actually watched 90s ball, but this proves nothing. Well...other than seeing you lash out like a scorned female. :oldlol:

If players have equal numbers? You talk about their intangibles. It's never been ONE thing with Jordan.

[kennethgriffen]

1996 and 1997 Jordan were better than peak Kobe.



What does any of that mean?

I've probably never defended 3ball and wonder if he actually watched 90s ball, but this proves nothing. Well...other than seeing you lash out like a scorned female. :oldlol:

If players have equal numbers? You talk about their intangibles. It's never been ONE thing with Jordan.



1996 and 1997 mj were great.. way better than 98 mj


at least then i'd entertain the conversation


but 1996 + 1997 + 1998 MJ combined for 3 games of 50+ points

so no... they're not better than a guy that got 4 games of 50+ in 1 week

[Manny98]

rank these 4 players individually

1989 michael jordan
1990 michael jordan
2012 lebron james
2013 lebron james


:lol
Replace peak LeBron with 89 & 90 Jordan and the Bulls go onto win the championship both years

[And1AllDay]

Replace peak LeBron with 89 & 90 Jordan and the Bulls go onto win the championship both years

Easily.

2012 Bron carries any team better then Jordan ever could

[And1AllDay]

Peak Kobe < 98' MJ

https://i.postimg.cc/sgSJxZML/giphy.gif