Joel or Rudy? Embiid or Gobert?

[And1AllDay]

Joel leads the league with 38 double-doubles but Gobert is following behind close with 37. Who would you rather have on your team?


Embust or Goatbert?


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[Victoire]

Gobert.

[MrFonzworth]

Hey OP, can I have a word with you? Alone?

I know you feel personally attacked because an Embiid stan has been hurting your feelings lately, but here on ISH, this is NOT how we rebuttal.

Call him Embust again and I will embust your jaw. This is your only warning.

[Manny98]

The one that doesn't disappear in 4th quarters

[MrFonzworth]

The one that doesn't disappear in 4th quarters
So Embiid, who dropped 13 on Gobert in the 4th quarter this year? Yeah, I think so too.

[Xiao Yao You]

Probably Embiid though his foot problems would be worrisome.

[fourkicks44]

Probably Embiid though his foot problems would be worrisome.

So Gobert's biggest stan says Embiid.

You lose OP :oldlol:

[E_Stamkos]

Embiid all day

[PeroAntic]

Comparing Embiid to Gobert is like comparing Kobe to Tony Allen.

[Xiao Yao You]

Comparing Embiid to Gobert is like comparing Kobe to Tony Allen.

Except Gobert is one of the best players in the league at both ends

[PeroAntic]

Except Gobert is one of the best players in the league at both ends
Yes hes such an offensive force that he has yet to shoot from further than 3 feet, put the ball on the floor once, or shoot mroe than 60 percent on freethrows.

Embiid and Gobert are not even in the same league offensively. Embiid on the other hand can almost match Gobert in defensive impact. There is zero doubt about who is the better player. Embiid is top 3 player in the league with Durant and AD.

[Xiao Yao You]

Yes hes such an offensive force that he has yet to shoot from further than 3 feet, put the ball on the floor once, or shoot mroe than 60 percent on freethrows.

Embiid and Gobert are not even in the same league offensively. Embiid on the other hand can almost match Gobert in defensive impact. There is zero doubt about who is the better player. Embiid is top 3 player in the league with Durant and AD.

And yet he is among the top players in many offensive categories. He's not Tony Allen.

[bdonovan]

Both are great players. Hard to compare. Gobert's massive wingspan changes so many shots and deters others; it's hard to measure just how much impact he has (and doesn't show up in the box score); we know it's significant but hard to quantify. Embiid is an incredible talent. One thing is he's got to either improve the 3 pt shot or stop taking them. He's taking about 4 a game and shooting 30%.

[sammichoffate]

This is like comparing Hakeem to Dikembe Mutombo, all due respect to Gobert's impact he's not in the same tier as Embiid right now.

[Xiao Yao You]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Rudy+Gobert&player_id1_select=Rudy+Gobert&y1=2019&player_id1=goberru01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Joel+Embiid&player_id2_select=Joel+Embiid&y2=2019&player_id2=embiijo01&idx=players

There's certainly an argument for Rudy

[FKAri]

This is like comparing Hakeem to Dikembe Mutombo, all due respect to Gobert's impact he's not in the same tier as Embiid right now.
More Mourning than Mutombo.

[sammichoffate]

More Mourning than Mutombo.Mourning was better offensively, he had several seasons averaging 20+

[FKAri]

Mourning was better offensively, he had several seasons averaging 20+
You're probably right. I thought Gobert was putting up bigger numbers this year. I saw him have a few monster games but I guess they were anomalous.

[Xiao Yao You]

Mourning was better offensively, he had several seasons averaging 20+

4th in offensive rebounds
1st in fg%
1st true shooting %
6th in offensive win shares
1st in 2 pt fg%
10th in FTA
2nd offensive rating
I believe he is first in screen assists and dunks as well. Record pace for dunks. Even better lately with the improved spacing because Rubio and Exum are out.

He initiates their whole offense with the best screens in the league

[Mask the Embiid]

4th in offensive rebounds
1st in fg%
1st true shooting %
6th in offensive win shares
1st in 2 pt fg%
10th in FTA
2nd offensive rating
I believe he is first in screen assists and dunks as well. Record pace for dunks. Even better lately with the improved spacing because Rubio and Exum are out.

He initiates their whole offense with the best screens in the league
There is no beef between the embiid fam and stifle tower fam...dont let op cause a feud between the jazz fam and sixers fam.

Both are top 3 centers

btw, i took down the for sale sign that i had in op's head....im starting to like it up here, i think ill stay...little cramped up here tho, but hey, you cant beat free rent (shrug emoji)

[superduper]

You guys are nuts

[BigShotBob]

They're both inferior to Jokic.

[Real14]

Mods?

[SaltyMeatballs]

Embiid easily. Tf kind of question is this? :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

4th in offensive rebounds
1st in fg%
1st true shooting %
6th in offensive win shares
1st in 2 pt fg%
10th in FTA
2nd offensive rating
I believe he is first in screen assists and dunks as well. Record pace for dunks. Even better lately with the improved spacing because Rubio and Exum are out.

He initiates their whole offense with the best screens in the league

Thank you for this. By the way there is no feud. I like both players, one is more talented obviously and one is a much better defender.

[JohnnySic]

Gobert is overrated on here. Good role player, very good. But that's it.

[And1AllDay]

Gobert is overrated on here. Good role player, very good. But that's it.

Embiid couldn't beat Celtics without Kyrie or Hayward tho. Didn't he lose in 5?

[k0kakw0rld]

Embiid couldn't beat Celtics without Kyrie or Hayward tho. Didn't he lose in 5?
:eek: :oldlol:

[Xiao Yao You]

Gobert is overrated on here. Good role player, very good. But that's it.

:roll:

[AI09]

Let's be real here Gobert is one hell of a player but Embiid is a future 1st ballet Hall of Fame guy.

[Xiao Yao You]

Let's be real here Gobert is one hell of a player but Embiid is a future 1st ballet Hall of Fame guy.

If he stays healthy. Gobert might be too though. All NBA the past two years, a DPOTY award and his best still ahead of him.

[AI09]

If he stays healthy. Gobert might be too though. All NBA the past two years, a DPOTY award and his best still ahead of him.

You are absolutely right IF Gobert stays healthy he might be but IF Embiid stays healthy he 100% will be.

[Manny98]

The one that doesn't disappear in 4th quarters
EmChoke disappears in the 4th quarter once again :roll: :roll: :roll:

[JohnnySic]

:roll:
Uhm yeah Gobert is a role player. You think he's a star? The center position must be damn weak after all.

[Xiao Yao You]

Uhm yeah Gobert is a role player. You think he's a star? The center position must be damn weak after all.

He's definitely one of the best players in the league and has been for the past 3 years. All-NBA, all Defensive team and DPOTY. Already posted his offensive numbers which put him up with the best players in the league and he's known for D!

5th in blocks
7th in defensive rebound %
3rd in defensive rating
3rd in defensive rebounds
5th in total rebound %
1st in games
2nd in total rebounds
7th in block %
1st in defensive win shares
1st in defensive box plus minus
3rd in blocks
5th in rebounds per game

2nd in win shares per 48
7th in box plus minus
2nd in win shares
5th in value of replacement player

How is he not a top 10 player or top 5? The numbers speak for themselves and his totals per 100 possessions are even more impressive because of the slow pace the Jazz play at. :bowdown:

Center position must have always been weak because it puts him up with Moses, Willis Reed, Ewing for win shares in their first 5 years

[fourkicks44]

He's definitely one of the best players in the league and has been for the past 3 years. All-NBA, all Defensive team and DPOTY. Already posted his offensive numbers which put him up with the best players in the league and he's known for D!

5th in blocks
7th in defensive rebound %
3rd in defensive rating
3rd in defensive rebounds
5th in total rebound %
1st in games
2nd in total rebounds
7th in block %
1st in defensive win shares
1st in defensive box plus minus
3rd in blocks
5th in rebounds per game

2nd in win shares per 48
7th in box plus minus
2nd in win shares
5th in value of replacement player

How is he not a top 10 player or top 5? The numbers speak for themselves and his totals per 100 possessions are even more impressive because of the slow pace the Jazz play at. :bowdown:

Center position must have always been weak because it puts him up with Moses, Willis Reed, Ewing for win shares in their first 5 years

The problem is idiots on this forum don't appreciate or understand defense.

Idiots think Luka f#cking Doncic is better than Lebron.


And they sure as hell don't understand the importance or impact of great big man.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

And yet he is among the top players in many offensive categories. He's not Tony Allen.

hes not Tony Allen but he isnt anywhere close to being one of the best offensive players. Thats like saying Tyson Chandler in 2012 or Deandre Jordan in 2017 were two of the best offensive players:oldlol: thats the class of player he is offensively

he doesnt move the needle much at all on that end.

Hes one of the best screeners and finishers but thats about all he does. He relies on much more skilled and talented offensive players to get the better of his skillset. He cant carry an offense. Utahs been a mediocre/below average offense every year with him outside the year Hayward was playing like an allstar

it was just last series that he got completely thrashed and outplayed by Capela. His efficiency is nice but he didnt have any impact on offense outside of the screens. Hes too easy to gameplan and remove on that end since he cant create, has no onball ability and isnt a passer either

[Xiao Yao You]

hes not Tony Allen but he isnt anywhere close to being one of the best offensive players. Thats like saying Tyson Chandler in 2012 or Deandre Jordan in 2017 were two of the best offensive players:oldlol: thats the class of player he is offensively

he doesnt move the needle much at all on that end.

Hes one of the best screeners and finishers but thats about all he does. He relies on much more skilled and talented offensive players to get the better of his skillset. He cant carry an offense. Utahs been a mediocre/below average offense every year with him outside the year Hayward was playing like an allstar

it was just last series that he got completely thrashed and outplayed by Capela. His efficiency is nice but he didnt have any impact on offense outside of the screens. Hes too easy to gameplan and remove on that end since he cant create, has no onball ability and isnt a passer either

offensive rebounds and put backs. Their whole offense revolves around him

Capela didn't out play him. Harden and Capela out played him. Usually he can guard the screener and the ball handler by himself. He couldn't in that case! Put Capela on the Jazz and Gobert on Houston and Houston is even better and the Jazz are a lottery team.

He's not easy to remove on that end if you space the floor as we saw at the end of Hayward's last season and what we are seeing right now without Rubio and Exum clogging up the works. Averaging 2 assists a game. just had 8 in a game. His post play is getting better. He takes guys off the dribble with his Eurostep.

[fourkicks44]

TBH Gobert is the best white player in the world.

[And1AllDay]

He's definitely one of the best players in the league and has been for the past 3 years. All-NBA, all Defensive team and DPOTY. Already posted his offensive numbers which put him up with the best players in the league and he's known for D!

5th in blocks
7th in defensive rebound %
3rd in defensive rating
3rd in defensive rebounds
5th in total rebound %
1st in games
2nd in total rebounds
7th in block %
1st in defensive win shares
1st in defensive box plus minus
3rd in blocks
5th in rebounds per game

2nd in win shares per 48
7th in box plus minus
2nd in win shares
5th in value of replacement player

How is he not a top 10 player or top 5? The numbers speak for themselves and his totals per 100 possessions are even more impressive because of the slow pace the Jazz play at. :bowdown:

Center position must have always been weak because it puts him up with Moses, Willis Reed, Ewing for win shares in their first 5 years

Thank you for this people think Donovan Mitchell was the only reason Jazzz did okay haha

He chucked 44% last year and 43% this year

He should be thanking Rudy Goatbert

[NuggetsFan]

Embiid. Gobert can be underrated if you think he's just a role player. He's also pretty flawed which keeps him from being a true number 1 option IMO. He's basically just a finisher on offense. He needs people to help him create rather than create for himself. Which matters. It works for Utah and he's there best player but on some teams it wouldn't be enough. Setting good screens, getting putbacks, and finishing. There's more to that. A guy like Embiid creates for himself, creates for others. You can count on his offense. You can rely on Gobert defensively, but not as the 1st option offensively.

I have Gobert as the 3rd best C if you think Davis is a PF. 4 if you have Davis as a C. Embiid/Davis/Jokic are all clearly better.

[bobopenguin]

TBH Gobert is the best white player in the world.

jokic is authentic real white.

[Xiao Yao You]

Thank you for this people think Donovan Mitchell was the only reason Jazzz did okay haha

He chucked 44% last year and 43% this year

He should be thanking Rudy Goatbert

The whole franchise and Hayward should be thanking him. They were tanking when Rudy emerged 4 years ago and have been shit when he hasn't played since.

[superduper]

Very elite at the one side that he's relevant on.

Equally as unelite at the one side he's not.

[Xiao Yao You]

Very elite at the one side that he's relevant on.

Equally as unelite at the one side he's not.

thought the stats say he is actually quite elite at both ends

[superduper]

thought the stats say he is actually quite elite at both ends

If you're comparing Gobert's offense (putbacks, etc) to bigs that have the offense run through them and create their own shots 100% on their own then I don't know what to tell you.

I guess Deandre Jordan and Tyson Chandler are two of the greatest offensive big men of all time by that logic.

[Xiao Yao You]

If you're comparing Gobert's offense (putbacks, etc) to bigs that have the offense run through them and create their own shots 100% on their own then I don't know what to tell you.

I guess Deandre Jordan and Tyson Chandler are two of the greatest offensive big men of all time by that logic.

If their teams offense was dictated by their screens and the pressure they put on the rim I guess so. The game is supposed to be about getting the most efficient shots. 3's, FT's and dunks. He's on a record pace for dunks and 10th in FTA. He leads the league in screen assists meaning someone is scoring because of his screens. And the pressure he puts on the rim is opening up the floor for others. It is a team game. It's not all about iso's

[Xiao Yao You]

There's a reason why guys like Towns and Cousins teams suck and Rudy's don't. They put up the big numbers everyone loves and Gobert helps you compete.

[sammichoffate]

There's a reason why guys like Towns and Cousins teams suck and Rudy's don't. They put up the big numbers everyone loves and Gobert helps you compete.Towns has the worst 2nd option in the league and Cousins was in the PO's before his achilles injury with Davis. Neither of those players have a good of supporting cast as Gobert.

[PeroAntic]

Embiid would beat the shit out of Gobert one on one.

[Xiao Yao You]

Towns has the worst 2nd option in the league and Cousins was in the PO's before his achilles injury with Davis. Neither of those players have a good of supporting cast as Gobert.

Wiggins is a worse 2nd option than Rubio? :lol

The Jazz were tanking when Gobert emerged in 2014. After they traded Kanter that same crappy team had the 6th best record in the league the rest of that year. The next year they continued to try to tank despite that and only Gobert missing a month cost them the playoffs. The next year they finally got him some help so Hayward wouldn't leave and yet still weren't all in saving their money for Rubio!Gobert missed two months last year and they were horrible yet again with him off the court. This year they brought back the same flawed team. They've been mediocre at best despite Gobert's best efforts. Only recently they've looked good and it took injuries to their two crappy pg's for that to happen.

[Xiao Yao You]

Embiid would beat the shit out of Gobert one on one.

It's not a one on one game though. He certainly hasn't beat the shit out of him head to head. The more talented Sixers have beaten the Jazz though. The first game it took Embiid standing at the 3 point line to get Rudy away from the rim so his teammates could make a basket.

[sammichoffate]

Wiggins is a worse 2nd option than Rubio? :lol

The Jazz were tanking when Gobert emerged in 2014. After they traded Kanter that same crappy team had the 6th best record in the league the rest of that year. The next year they continued to try to tank despite that and only Gobert missing a month cost them the playoffs. The next year they finally got him some help so Hayward wouldn't leave and yet still weren't all in saving their money for Rubio!Gobert missed two months last year and they were horrible yet again with him off the court. This year they brought back the same flawed team. They've been mediocre at best despite Gobert's best efforts. Only recently they've looked good and it took injuries to their two crappy pg's for that to happen.I didn't know Donovan Mitchell was the 3rd option.
Gobert wasn't able to post up on CP3 last year in the PO's when they kept switching PnR, that's enough for me to decide lol

[Xiao Yao You]

I didn't know Donovan Mitchell was the 3rd option.
Gobert wasn't able to post up on CP3 last year in the PO's when they kept switching PnR, that's enough for me to decide lol

Mitchell is first option. Rubio takes a couple more shots than any one else on the team as hard as that is to believe.

His post game is much improved this year.