Who is the better passer?

[72-10]

Bird or Bron

[3ball]

Bird got most assists within a second or 2 of catching the ball (so without disrupting ball movement), while lebron gets most assists after a long pondering with the ball, thus disrupting ball movement and struggling on the championship level, 3/9

No comparison. Bird was the superior passer

[Gus Hemmingway]

Lebron would have been the best passer, rebounder and scorer in the 80's


Bonkers

[warriorfan]

Bird, easily

[Akrazotile]

Bird was the “fancier” passer. He was the MJ/Kobe of passing. A lot of flash and spectacle, but not as much pure impact as Lebron’s pinpoint passes to players he personally opened up the defense for.

This is no disrespect to Bird, he is a legend. But Im giving this one to LeVision.

[hiphopanonymous]

Bird was the “fancier” passer. He was the MJ/Kobe of passing. A lot of flash and spectacle, but not as much pure impact as Lebron’s pinpoint passes to players he personally opened up the defense for.

This is no disrespect to Bird, he is a legend. But Im giving this one to LeVision.
I actually don't think this is true

I think Bird is a better off ball passer so he's less demanding of his teams touches. Don't think fancy is the best word for his passes because as far as I can see the form follows the function. They look fancy because the function of what he's doing is next level stuff.

LeBron has some real corkscrew dazzling passes himself but just the same I see a purpose first. The thing I don't like is LeBron sometimes falls on this bad habit of pounding the clock away waiving 4 players off to stand still in the corner and just "be ready" to catch a difficult to catch bullet pass that he corkscrews through 5 defenders. If they make it it's considered a great highlight by LeBron and if they miss it his fans cry that he has no help. I think it's a bad play. You account for those bad habit iso plays and I think Bird is a better passer.

To each their own though. Bron is an all time great passer I won't dispute that I'm just not a fan of how he does some of them in the grand scheme of 5 on 5.

[And1AllDay]

Lebron. How is this even a real question?

Next

[bizil]

Can't go wrong either way. BUT from a stationary position or off a dribble or two, Bird could be the best passer of all time! BUT Bron was better in terms of an ALL COURT PASSER. Meaning he would ACTUALLY play more like a PG. And use his handles more to create off the dribble and drop off dimes. More similar to Magic type passer than a Bird type passer.

They are the top two passing forwards of all time. And are BETTER than most PG's passing. It takes the guys like Magic, Stockton, Nash, Zeke, and Kidd to be just as good or better passing the rock. ONLY reason Bron and Bird never averaged 10 dimes a night is because they were such dominant scorers. And were SF's instead of PG's flat out. Even though Bron has played the PG spot flat out in his career of course. BUT if i could see any two guys play together from different eras, I think Bron-Bird would be at the top of the list. The way they would complement each other would have been scary. The weaker points one would have, the other could EASILY cover up for it!

[90sgoat]

Lebron is good at throwing fast and accurate passes into the corners, but that's about it.

He very rarely "wows" the crowd.

Lebron stans don't get this cause they just watch boxscores, but real basketball fans are just not wowed by Lebron.

Luka on the other hand, wowes the crowd multiple times a game. Jokic is the same. Lebron is only impressive in the same way Karl Malone was impressive.

[Uncle Drew]

I actually don't think this is true

I think Bird is a better off ball passer so he's less demanding of his teams touches. Don't think fancy is the best word for his passes because as far as I can see the form follows the function. They look fancy because the function of what he's doing is next level stuff.

LeBron has some real corkscrew dazzling passes himself but just the same I see a purpose first. The thing I don't like is LeBron sometimes falls on this bad habit of pounding the clock away waiving 4 players off to stand still in the corner and just "be ready" to catch a difficult to catch bullet pass that he corkscrews through 5 defenders. If they make it it's considered a great highlight by LeBron and if they miss it his fans cry that he has no help. I think it's a bad play. You account for those bad habit iso plays and I think Bird is a better passer.

To each their own though. Bron is an all time great passer I won't dispute that I'm just not a fan of how he does some of them in the grand scheme of 5 on 5.
3ball alt confirmed.

[jongib369]

3ball alt confirmed.
He's not an ALT lmao, I know who he is. Old poster on this board but I won't reveal who

[Odinn]

Bird.
LeBron is better at ball handling and playmaking. Playmaking =/= passing.

[90sgoat]

HipHopAnon is easily a great addition to the forum.

:cheers:

We really need more real posters and far less, "10 cents pr. post", Simon.

[Uncle Drew]

He's not an ALT lmao, I know who he is. Old poster on this board but I won't reveal who
Lazaruss?

[3ball]

I actually don't think this is true

I think Bird is a better off ball passer so he's less demanding of his teams touches. Don't think fancy is the best word for his passes because as far as I can see the form follows the function. They look fancy because the function of what he's doing is next level stuff.

LeBron has some real corkscrew dazzling passes himself but just the same I see a purpose first. The thing I don't like is LeBron sometimes falls on this bad habit of pounding the clock away waiving 4 players off to stand still in the corner and just "be ready" to catch a difficult to catch bullet pass that he corkscrews through 5 defenders. If they make it it's considered a great highlight by LeBron and if they miss it his fans cry that he has no help. I think it's a bad play. You account for those bad habit iso plays and I think Bird is a better passer.

To each their own though. Bron is an all time great passer I won't dispute that I'm just not a fan of how he does some of them in the grand scheme of 5 on 5.
Boom

[Uncle Drew]

That off ball passing gave everything away. No one on this board is insane enough to say something like that other than 3ball. I have analysed his POHI and I can savely say he’s a 3ball alt. They are always in the same threads, have the same posting style and post the same content. Exposed, old man.

[DJMcDonald]

Bird easily. Next.

[jongib369]

Lazaruss?
Haha no I think Laz actually thought Bird was over rated. By old I meant he had been around on here before myself even. If I said you'd know who he was for sure. But I'm not going to be the guy to unmask him, like Kane he's probably better off with it on. Doesn't need to be pigeonholed

[jongib369]

That off ball passing gave everything away. No one on this board is insane enough to say something like that other than 3ball. I have analysed his POHI and I can savely say he’s a 3ball alt. They are always in the same threads, have the same posting style and post the same content. Exposed, old man.
I think that might be in reference to Birds tip passes, but I'm not going to assume his opinion lol.

[90sgoat]

[QUOTE=Uncle Drew]That off ball passing gave everything away. No one on this board is insane enough to say something like that other than 3ball. I have analysed his POHI and I can savely say he

[PickernRoller]

How the **** is the fraud winning this poll?

Actually nvm....just checked the names on the Lebron pick.

[Jasper]

I voted for Bron , cause he was a passer first , and shooter second.

Bird had that killer instinct from day one , Bron later.

but their passing is best of NBA historic forwards.

[superduper]

Unless we are trolling the answer is Bird.

[superduper]

How the **** is the fraud winning this poll?

Actually nvm....just checked the names on the Lebron pick.

Bran stans HEAVILY outnumber any other fan base/non fan base on this site. It's quite disgusting how they run rampant and just allowed to do whatever tf they want.

[Phoenix]

Bird's passes seemed more instinctive to me, perhaps a function of being off the ball. He wasn't on-ball using seconds off the clock surveying the court for the perfect opportunity, or slashing to the rim causing the defense to collapse leading to open shooters in position to leverage the open opportunity. Alot of his passing were threading the needle within packed paints since the court wasn't spread out like it is now.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Bird easily. Particularly in the half court and with those smooth ass touch passes. Magic was the best fast break passer ever. Bird was the best half court passer ever.

[Prometheus]

"off-ball passing" is not a nonsense term

it just refers to a player playing off-ball, receiving the pass, and then passing again. It is not some sorcery where a player uses telekinesis to make a pass without touching the rock. "off-ball" just means non-pg

[Manny98]

lol at these idiots thinking Bird was close to the passer LeBron was

Bird didn't bring the ball up the court 98% of the time most of his assists came out of the post and in half court

[superduper]

lol at these idiots thinking Bird was close to the passer LeBron was

Bird didn't bring the ball up the court 98% of the time most of his assists came out of the post and in half court

Wtf does that have to do with passing ability

[SamuraiSWISH]

lol at these idiots thinking Bird was close to the passer LeBron was

Bird didn't bring the ball up the court 98% of the time most of his assists came out of the post and in half court
You just described why Bird is the superior PASSER, idiot.

[superduper]

You just described why Bird is the superior PASSER, idiot.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Nah bro better passer = pounding the rock for 21 seconds then running to the rim as fast as you can and whipping it as hard as you can to the corner.

High IQ!! :eek:

#LeGOAT :rockon:

[superduper]

Watch out... APG stat comparisons from eras 30 years apart are coming.

[Hey Yo]

Unless we are trolling the answer is Bird.
Voting for a guy that you never saw play??

[Manny98]

Wtf does that have to do with passing ability
Situations dummy

LeBron is 100x better at passing off of pick and rolls

LeBron is 100x better at passing in transition

In terms of halfcourt passing they're equal

Bird is slightly better at passing out of the post

LeBron is the much better ball handler and actually has the ability to warp the entire defense unlike Bird

LeBron can pull off every pass that Bird could do but Bird is not athletic enough and doesn't have a good enough handle to do what LeBron could do therefore LeBron is better

[superduper]

I don't remember any notable Bran transition passing unless it involves Dwyane Wade.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: @ equal in the half court

[jongib369]

Voting for a guy that you never saw play??
Thanks for letting us know you aren't aware of the amount of footage of Bird on youtube :lol

Literally dont think you could watch it all in one day even if you didn't sleep

[Hey Yo]

Thanks for letting us know you aren't aware of the amount of footage of Bird on youtube :lol

Literally dont think you could watch it all in one day even if you didn't sleep
Watching live with the flow of the game >>>>> chopped up, cherry picked highlight videos

[hiphopanonymous]

Watching live with the flow of the game >>>>> chopped up, cherry picked highlight videos
https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-30-2015/xT36AN.gif

I can think of at least 2 YouTube channels solely dedicated to full playoff series, regular season games from every season, and college games on YouTube from the 1970's through to the mid 1990's and there are tons of full Bird games

If lack of initiative is a trait of yours that's fine, just don't project it onto others

[AlternativeAcc.]

He's not an ALT lmao, I know who he is. Old poster on this board but I won't reveal who
:facepalm

We all know its CavsFTW

[PeroAntic]

Bron is better at some aspects of passing, Bird at others. So theyre equal.

[aau]

Bird easily. Bird was the best half court passer ever.


hahaha

anyone believing this . . . i got some beachfront property in compton


you've got to see . . .

[colts19]

Voting for a guy that you never saw play??
Hey Yo, did you ever see Bird play?

[hiphopanonymous]

:facepalm

We all know its CavsFTW
I doubt more than 5 people even care let alone have bothered to try to connect me to another account so I dunno about that "we all know", more like nobody cares - I've been accused of being an alt almost 2 dozen times the past week and in the current culture of ISH I understand why - new join date - seems to know posters/ish - yeah I'd probably guess I was an alt too at first glance

[90sgoat]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-30-2015/xT36AN.gif

I can think of at least 2 YouTube channels solely dedicated to full playoff series, regular season games from every season, and college games on YouTube from the 1970's through to the mid 1990's and there are tons of full Bird games

If lack of initiative is a trait of yours that's fine, just don't project it onto others

Link?

[aau]

off the dribble, fastbreak or set, no one comes close

the man is arguable goat, only averaged 8 points

could go scoreless the entire game
. . . his team is up by forty

[hiphopanonymous]

Link?
Sure thing bud:

https://www.youtube.com/user/Torontos
https://www.youtube.com/user/chalidibmalwaled/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/Hal15Greer

There's 3 gems just off the top of my head

[AlternativeAcc.]

I doubt more than 5 people even care let alone have bothered to try to connect me to another account so I dunno about that "we all know", more like nobody cares - I've been accused of being an alt almost 2 dozen times the past week and in the current culture of ISH I understand why - new join date - seems to know posters/ish - yeah I'd probably guess I was an alt too at first glance
You are an alt

Did your CavsFTW account get banned? Asking for a friend

[hiphopanonymous]

You are an alt

Did your CavsFTW account get banned? Asking for a friend
No but it's no longer in use and will stay that way. If you consider this an alt so be it but it's not like I'm using two accounts

Your account is a relatively new one to be aware of that account - who are you would I recognize your old account or do you mind sharing that? Are you actually an alt or is that a joke name lol

[aau]

thought we were going to finally talk the game

these mufukkas talking alts about to make me start cursing on sunday morning


blaze, wtf

[Nash]

Sure thing bud:

https://www.youtube.com/user/Torontos
https://www.youtube.com/user/chalidibmalwaled/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/Hal15Greer

There's 3 gems just off the top of my head
u honestly trying to tell us that you're watching full 30 year old games?

yeah I call bullshit

[superduper]

u honestly trying to tell us that you're watching full 30 year old games?

yeah I call bullshit

Yeah basketball fans do stuff like that because we like basketball and not just slobber one man's peen.

[90sgoat]

u honestly trying to tell us that you're watching full 30 year old games?

yeah I call bullshit

:biggums:

You never watched an old game?

This is like saying you won't watch an old movie, cause someone told you the plot.

[hiphopanonymous]

u honestly trying to tell us that you're watching full 30 year old games?

yeah I call bullshit
Yeah... you'll figure out who I am soon enough. I do watch those games. Why else would I even be able to reference those channels.

[hiphopanonymous]

:biggums:

You never watched an old game?

This is like saying you won't watch an old movie, cause someone told you the plot.
I know right? Basketball fans watch basketball.

The more of a fan of basketball you are the more interested you should be in watching it - Hell I pretty much will watch any game at any level and uniqueness (like "a long time ago" - almost makes it more appealing). I've stuck around in my rec league just to watch other teams in other divisions play sometimes after my own game ended. Basketball is fun to watch - I don't see what's so difficult to believe about fans watching old NBA games

[Bronbron23]

I'm a Bron fan and grew up hating bird but it's probably bird. He gets more assisists without dominating the ball as much

[aj1987]

LeBron. You have to be a blithering idiot to think otherwise.

[PickernRoller]

That's more like it.

Should be a landslide for Bird but given the amount of LeTards inflating Bran's voting the current spread is to be expected.

[Round Mound]

Bird easily. Particularly in the half court and with those smooth ass touch passes. Magic was the best fast break passer ever. Bird was the best half court passer ever.

:applause:

[Round Mound]

From a stationary position Bird was probably the best passer ever. As SamuraiSWISH mentioned the best half court passer ever.

[Duncan21formvp]

Bird. Also the greater Forward and player between the two.

[jongib369]

u honestly trying to tell us that you're watching full 30 year old games?

yeah I call bullshit


So you just admitted you don't have the patience, or enough love for the history of the game to watch that old footage...Yet felt confident enough to vote Bran>Bird. Even if you're right that's bad man

:biggums:

http://media4.popsugar-assets.com/files/2015/09/14/875/n/1922398/ff7934d941fbecef_aea06075bbcd4dc17553e2459babbb88/i/Shame-Bell-Lady-From-Game-Thrones.gif

[bizil]

The fact that Bron can play as a PG FLAT OUT shouldn't be so glossed over. Or running the offense from the point forward position shouldn't be overlooked. Both are passing savants no doubt. But Bron is BETTER at Bird in terms of breaking down a defense and dropping the dimes the way a Magic, Stockton, or Kidd would.

And Bron IS pass first on top of it. So he's seeing plays before it happens just like Bird would. Bird has his advantages. Bron has his advantages. To say one was WAY BETTER than the other passing doesn't make sense to me. U could go either way!

[Rocket]

Bird by a mile. Anyone who says differently never saw Bird play.

[superduper]

The one with higher APG.

#CheckMy$tats
#LeGOAT :rockon:

[72-10]

WOW how you gonna delete my post in my own thread exemplifying why Bird is the superior passer?:wtf: