Tom Brady is now the undisputed GOAT football player, unfortunately.

[Ben Simmons 25]

His r

[Im Still Ballin]

how big? how many inches

[CelticBaller]

Timothy Brady

[Kblaze8855]

As impossible as it is to compare quarterbacks by actual ability and remove the outside influences...I dont see how we are gonna compare a QB to Jerry Rice, Jim Brown, LT, or whoever.

John elway vs Deacon Jones....I dont even know where you begin.

Ever have an Anthony Munoz vs Night Train Lane discussion? Id imagine its a tough one.

[LAmbruh]

It's not unfortunate



It's unprecedented



LeBrady GOAT

[dude77]

now ? lol wtf does he have to do to finally settle it ? he's BEEN the goat already .. for a while

[Akrazotile]

As impossible as it is to compare quarterbacks by actual ability and remove the outside influences...I dont see how we are gonna compare a QB to Jerry Rice, Jim Brown, LT, or whoever.

John elway vs Deacon Jones....I dont even know where you begin.

Ever have an Anthony Munoz vs Night Train Lane discussion? Id imagine its a tough one.


Agree with this.

Football is like a three legged race (no lebron pun intended). Your success is tied to your teammates as theirs is to yours. It’s the most team oriented sport there is.

That said, you can certainly call Brady the most accomplished player ever. But determining an individual “best” player isnt something the sport really lends itself to.

[LAmbruh]

As impossible as it is to compare quarterbacks by actual ability and remove the outside influences...I dont see how we are gonna compare a QB to Jerry Rice, Jim Brown, LT, or whoever.

John elway vs Deacon Jones....I dont even know where you begin.

Ever have an Anthony Munoz vs Night Train Lane discussion? Id imagine its a tough one.
Not when you do it consistently over a span of a decades worth of roster changes


Might as well start comparing young Brady greatness to old Brady's GOATness


Brady's outside influences aren't making laser precision pocket passes in playoff clutch time over and over and over and over and over and over. It's him

[Akrazotile]

Not when you do it consistently over a span of a decades worth of roster changes


Might as well start comparing young Brady greatness to old Brady's GOATness


Brady's outside influences aren't making laser precision pocket passes in playoff clutch time over and over and over and over and over and over. It's him


Yeah but the Pats are like the Spurs, they keep bringing in guys with the right mindset over and over, which most teams simply dont do. It seems like theyre just grabbing random guys but theyre not. They screen for attitude and commitment. Theyll occasionally take a flyer on baggage but as soon as the drama starts the guy is gone.

Character is by far the most underlooked prospect trait in pro sports. Only a small number of teams emphasize it, and gee, they keep winning.

[Ben Simmons 25]

Timothy Brady

:roll:

[Kblaze8855]

Not when you do it consistently over a span of a decades worth of roster changes


Might as well start comparing young Brady greatness to old Brady's GOATness


Brady's outside influences aren't making laser precision pocket passes in playoff clutch time over and over and over and over and over and over. It's him


You actually can compare young Brady to old. Old Brady is clearly doing more than young Brady had to.

You can

[Smook A.]

He cemented his GOAT status with that comeback against the Falcons in Super Bowl 51. It's one of the greatest things I've ever seen in sports

[100grandman]

I still might take Joe Montana. Four Super Bowls, and I think still holds the record for most passes in Super Bowls without an int.


:confusedshrug:

[stalkerforlife]

He already was.

If he wins his 6th, he's the sports GOAT.

[RoseCity07]

A guy with a 6 dollar haircut can't be the goat.

[DaHeezy]

Brady has the ultimate intangible. The refs

[jongib369]

As impossible as it is to compare quarterbacks by actual ability and remove the outside influences...I dont see how we are gonna compare a QB to Jerry Rice, Jim Brown, LT, or whoever.

John elway vs Deacon Jones....I dont even know where you begin.

Ever have an Anthony Munoz vs Night Train Lane discussion? Id imagine its a tough one.

That was a bad, bad mother ****er. Plus the GOAT nickname possibly. I could imagine him and Butkus having a LOT of fun together ****ing people up

[kennethgriffen]

As impossible as it is to compare quarterbacks by actual ability and remove the outside influences...I dont see how we are gonna compare a QB to Jerry Rice, Jim Brown, LT, or whoever.

John elway vs Deacon Jones....I dont even know where you begin.

Ever have an Anthony Munoz vs Night Train Lane discussion? Id imagine its a tough one.



except QB is the most important position and they win mvp most of the time so naturally the best qb ever is the best and most important/valuable player ever by default

[Prometheus]

except QB is the most important position and they win mvp most of the time so naturally the best qb ever is the best and most important/valuable player ever by default

Depending on the team, a MLB can be more important than a QB.

But yeah usually you're right.

[Wally450]

Brady is the greatest player to ever step foot on a football field.

[tpols]

Belicheck system.

[AirBonner]

Belicheck system.
Belicheck was passed by the league 5 years ago. Brady has been carrying this team since then :no:

[Rocket]

I give Brady his due but I can't stand the Cheatriots. I just became a Rams fan for a few weeks.

[CelticBaller]

Belicheck system.
belichick had a losing record without brady


then brady starts and suddenly he's a genius? :confusedshrug:

[tpols]

belichick had a losing record without brady


then brady starts and suddenly he's a genius? :confusedshrug:


He was the lynchpin behind giants rings in the 90s as well. A Phillip rivers type would do the same thing in bills system.

[r15mohd]

I give Brady his due but I can't stand the Cheatriots. I just became a Rams fan for a few weeks.


this...seems like every triumph is always plagued by some botched call, etc.

Brady, as much I hate him as a Jets fan, is just unrelenting and the ultimate competitor. can't say he's the GOAT of all sports, but def in the NFL.

with that said...Rams ftw!! :cheers:

[SomeBlackDude]

That was a bad, bad mother ****er. Plus the GOAT nickname possibly. I could imagine him and Butkus having a LOT of fun together ****ing people up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BaPMMYekkA :bowdown:

[DaHeezy]

Football is too diverse to declare a clearcut GOAT.

OTOH, what if Brady loses another Superbowl? Does Brady get the Lebron treatment? Does Joe Cool get rank ahead for being perfect in the Superbowl?

[CelticBaller]

He was the lynchpin behind giants rings in the 90s as well. A Phillip rivers type would do the same thing in bills system.
and? Wade Phillips was a great D coordinator and scuked as a HC

Belichick had the good browns(playoff team that went to a AFC championships before and after him after they became the Ravens) and a pro bowl and SB starter Drew Bledsoe :facepalm

[pastis]

ist just strange how american footbal or baseball can be so popular in the US.

American Football is full of interruptions and time outs and what ever….. no flow at all.

[dude77]

Brady is the greatest player to ever step foot on a football field.

https://i.imgur.com/RG0BS1U.gif


I've seen enough .. I used to hate brady's guts but enough is enough .. That longevity ... 18 YEARS and going .. the will to never quit and keep coming back and back and back and even stronger .. that 28-3 comeback was something of fantasies .. that shit NEVER EVER happens and sure as hell never in a championship contest .. doing it with different players every year .. doing it as a kid then doing it as a grandpa .. tom brady is the greatest of all time .. and it ain't close .. anyone who says otherwise is just salty

[DaHeezy]

[QUOTE=pastis]ist just strange how american footbal or baseball can be so popular in the US.

American Football is full of interruptions and time outs and what ever

[atljonesbro]

[QUOTE=pastis]ist just strange how american footbal or baseball can be so popular in the US.

American Football is full of interruptions and time outs and what ever

[tpols]

[QUOTE=pastis]ist just strange how american footbal or baseball can be so popular in the US.

American Football is full of interruptions and time outs and what ever

[imdaman99]

belichick had a losing record without brady

then brady starts and suddenly he's a genius? :confusedshrug:
Without Belechek, who knows if Brady is ever an NFL quarterback. Let's not forget he was drafted in the 6th round. How often do 6th round picks turn into superstars goats? :confusedshrug: How often do they EVEN get a chance to prove themselves? :confusedshrug:

[tpols]

Without Belechek, who knows if Brady is ever an NFL quarterback. Let's not forget he was drafted in the 6th round. How often do 6th round picks turn into superstars goats? :confusedshrug: How often do they EVEN get a chance to prove themselves? :confusedshrug:


Exactly, his talent in a vacuum is simply not even close to GOAT. his career maybe but that's circumstantial.

[Kblaze8855]

belichick had a losing record without brady


then brady starts and suddenly he's a genius? :confusedshrug:


He isnt?

That your position?

[dude77]

Without Belechek, who knows if Brady is ever an NFL quarterback. Let's not forget he was drafted in the 6th round. How often do 6th round picks turn into superstars goats? :confusedshrug: How often do they EVEN get a chance to prove themselves? :confusedshrug:

makes you wonder what tom brady types are walking around out there like regular joes .. crazy

[dude77]

to be fair to brady he was much better than a 6th round pick .. much better

[CelticBaller]

Without Belechek, who knows if Brady is ever an NFL quarterback. Let's not forget he was drafted in the 6th round. How often do 6th round picks turn into superstars goats? :confusedshrug: How often do they EVEN get a chance to prove themselves? :confusedshrug:
Tom Brady was dealing with an illness at the combine

Somebody would

[CelticBaller]

He isnt?

That your position?
Are you an idiot? My position is very clear

Belichick nowhere near as good without Brady and the stats before he was drafted prove it

[CelticBaller]

Exactly, his talent in a vacuum is simply not even close to GOAT. his career maybe but that's circumstantial.
Joe Montana was nowhere near the talent Marino and Elway were

People who use physical skill against Brady don

[ScalsFan21]

He already was.

If he wins his 6th, he's the sports GOAT.

You're taking him over Mike, Stalk? It's not crazy in a sport like football where individual players have much less control over outcomes.

[egokiller]

Jerry Rice and Jim Brown will always be GOAT over Brady. Only fucc boys who never saw those guys play say otherwise.

[warriorfan]

Jerry Rice and Jim Brown will always be GOAT over Brady. Only fucc boys who never saw those guys play say otherwise.

High iq

[AlternativeAcc.]

The QB position is inherently way more important than any other position therefore the best QB ever is inherently the goat football player. Of course I would expect retards not to grasp this.

And theres an argument that the gap between Brady and any other QB is bigger than the gap rice has over moss, and theres no clear cut best RB ever... so yeah, Tom Brady is definitely the goat and it's not close.

[Euroleague]

Per ESPN Stats and Information:

NFL Super Bowl Championships:

Pittsburgh Steelers - 6
New England Patriots - 5
Tom Brady - 5
Dallas Cowboys - 5
San Francisco 49ers - 5
Green Bay Packers - 4
New York Giants - 4
Denver Broncos - 3
Oakland Raiders - 3
Washington Redskins - 3
Miami Dolphins - 2
Indianapolis Colts - 2
Baltimore Ravens - 2
Los Angeles Rams - 1
Seattle Seahawks - 1
Philadelphia Eagles - 1
Kansas City Chiefs - 1
Chicago Bears - 1
New York Jets - 1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 1
New Orleans Saints - 1
Minnesota Vikings - 0
Buffalo Bills - 0
Cincinnati Bengals - 0
Atlanta Falcons - 0
Carolina Panthers - 0
Los Angeles Chargers - 0
Tennessee Titans - 0
Arizona Cardinals - 0
Cleveland Browns - 0
Detroit Lions - 0
Jacksonville Jaguars - 0
Houston Texans - 0

NFL Super Bowl Appearances (NFL Conference Championships):

New England Patriots - 11
Tom Brady - 9
Pittsburgh Steelers - 8
Dallas Cowboys - 8
Denver Broncos - 8
San Francisco 49ers - 6
Green Bay Packers - 5
New York Giants - 5
Washington Redskins - 5
Oakland Raiders - 5
Miami Dolphins - 5
Los Angeles Rams - 4
Indianapolis Colts - 4
Minnesota Vikings - 4
Buffalo Bills
Philadelphia Eagles - 3
Seattle Seahawks - 3
Baltimore Ravens - 2
Kansas City Chiefs - 2
Chicago Bears - 2
Cincinnati Bengals - 2
Carolina Panthers - 2
Atlanta Falcons - 2
New York Jets - 1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 1
New Orleans Saints - 1
Los Angeles Chargers - 1
Tennessee Titans - 1
Arizona Cardinals - 1
Cleveland Browns - 0
Detroit Lions - 0
Jacksonville Jaguars - 0
Houston Texans - 0

NFL Playoff Wins:

New England Patriots - 36
Pittsburgh Steelers - 36
Dallas Cowboys - 35
Green Bay Packers - 34
San Francisco 49ers - 30
Tom Brady - 29
Oakland Raiders - 25
New York Giants - 24
Indianapolis Colts - 23
Denver Broncos - 23
Washington Redskins - 23
Philadelphia Eagles - 22
Los Angeles Rams - 21
Miami Dolphins - 20
Minnesota Vikings - 20
Chicago Bears - 17
Seattle Seahawks - 16
Baltimore Ravens - 15
Tennessee Titans - 15
Buffalo Bills - 14
Los Angeles Chargers - 12
New York Jets - 12
Cleveland Browns - 11
Kansas City Chiefs - 10
Atlanta Falcons - 10
New Orleans Saints - 9
Carolina Panthers - 9
Detroit Lions - 7
Arizona Cardinals - 7
Jacksonville Jaguars - 7
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 6
Cincinnati Bengals - 5
Houston Texans - 3

[Euroleague]

Football is too diverse to declare a clearcut GOAT.

OTOH, what if Brady loses another Superbowl? Does Brady get the Lebron treatment? Does Joe Cool get rank ahead for being perfect in the Superbowl?

Brady is 29-10 in the playoffs. Montana was 16-7 in the playoffs. Anyone ranking Montana ahead of Brady at this point, is either an outright irrational and illogical Brady hater, or retarded, or both.

[Euroleague]

[QUOTE=pastis]ist just strange how american footbal or baseball can be so popular in the US.

American Football is full of interruptions and time outs and what ever

[Euroleague]

Without Belechek, who knows if Brady is ever an NFL quarterback. Let's not forget he was drafted in the 6th round. How often do 6th round picks turn into superstars goats? :confusedshrug: How often do they EVEN get a chance to prove themselves? :confusedshrug:

Belichick as a head coach, without Tom Brady as his starting quarterback:

55-64 career record
1 playoff appearance in 7 seasons
1 playoff win in 7 seasons
never went past the divisional round of the playoffs.

The Browns went to the AFC championship game right before and right after he coached the team, in fact won the Super Bowl..........

He also had two franchise starting quarterbacks in Vinny Testaverde and Drew Bledsoe (who had been to a Super Bowl already), and still never did jack shit in 7 seasons.

These Brady hater talking points are not just weak, they are pathetically weak. Like Rob Parker is the one coming up with all of them....

[imdaman99]

Belichick as a head coach, without Tom Brady as his starting quarterback:

55-64 career record
1 playoff appearance in 7 seasons
1 playoff win in 7 seasons
never went past the divisional round of the playoffs.

The Browns went to the AFC championship game right before and right after he coached the team..........

He also had two franchise starting quarterbacks in Vinny Testaverde and Drew Bledsoe (who had been to a Super Bowl already), and still never did jack shit in 7 seasons.

These Brady hater talking points are not just weak, they are pathetically weak. Like Ron Parker is the one coming up with all of them....
Stop fellating Brady and making this thread unbearable. Belechek is an all time great coach.

He has more wins than Brady, he has more playoff wins than Brady, he won Super Bowls as a DC. Ask me if defensive coordinators are important. He never did jack shit with Bledsoe? What do you call winning in Pittsburgh in the playoffs? :wtf:

Stop spreading false information. I'm a Michigan guy but because of guys that worship Brady (such as yourself), I stopped rooting for him after Eli whooped dat ass twice :lol

He is the goat QB. But that doesn't make him goat NFL player.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TidyTotalAmericankestrel-max-1mb.gif

[Euroleague]

Let's recap....

Bill Belichick's head coaching trajectory:

Comes to a Browns team that was in the Conference championship game just 2 seasons prior.......proceeds to make the playoffs once in 5 seasons, with 1 playoff win, and never gets past the divisional round.

He leaves, and the Browns (that became the Ravens), win a Super Bowl 4 years later...

He comes to the Patriots, after they had been in the Super Bowl 4 years prior, and with many of the same players, and same starting QB, goes 5-13 before Bledsoe got hurt and Brady stepped in......

Only a complete biased Brady hater can look at that history and conclude it was all Belichick making the Patriots great and Brady could have been replaced by "a Philip Rivers".

Belichick's teams were actually better before and after him, before Brady came along.

[Euroleague]

Stop fellating Brady and making this thread unbearable. Belechek is an all time great coach.

He has more wins than Brady, he has more playoff wins than Brady, he won Super Bowls as a DC. Ask me if defensive coordinators are important. He never did jack shit with Bledsoe? What do you call winning in Pittsburgh in the playoffs? :wtf:

Stop spreading false information. I'm a Michigan guy but because of guys that worship Brady (such as yourself), I stopped rooting for him after Eli whooped dat ass twice :lol

He is the goat QB. But that doesn't make him goat NFL player.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TidyTotalAmericankestrel-max-1mb.gif


Belichick is 55-64 with one playoff appearance in 7 seasons as an NFL head coach without Tom Brady as his starting quarterback.

These Brady hater talking points that get thrown around are totally ludicrous. The Patriots assistant coaches even admitted once that Belichick would have been fired by Kraft, if not for Bledsoe's injury.

[imdaman99]

Belichick is 55-64 with one playoff appearance in 7 seasons as an NFL head coach without Tom Brady as his starting quarterback.

These Brady hater talking points that get thrown around are totally ludicrous. The Patriots assistant coaches even admitted once that Belichick would have been fired by Kraft, if not for Bledsoe's injury.
BB won a playoff game with the Patriots on the road in a very hostile environment WITHOUT Brady. He also went 11-5 without him for a whole season. Brady never won shit without BB. What did he do at Michigan? He took over an undefeated team and never won the national title. So what was Brady before Belechek? A 6th round pick. I'd say that's worse than 55-64 with 1 playoff appearance.

Enough trolling. Who is hating on Brady? I said he's the goat QB, fool. The truth is somewhere in the middle. BB and Brady needed each other. They didn't win much without the other. But all I'm gonna say is that coaches have longer careers. Belechek is already known as the greatest coach in NFL history. Some people argue for Brady being goat, it's at least debatable.

These BB hater talking points that get thrown around are totally ludicrous.

[MaxFly]

Those last two drives by Brady were both incredible and completely banal. It's a true sign of greatness to see a player with the ball in his hands in those pressure situations and know, with confidence, that he's almost certain to do what he's done several times before. It never gets old. Definitely the GOAT in my opinion.

[stalkerforlife]

You're taking him over Mike, Stalk? It's not crazy in a sport like football where individual players have much less control over outcomes.

I'm caught up in the moment.

I'll still have Jordan as sports GOAT.

But Brady will be 2nd.

[AirBonner]

if Brady was black he would be undisputed. But because he is white people can't fathom it :oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

Are you an idiot? My position is very clear

Belichick nowhere near as good without Brady and the stats before he was drafted prove it

Very little about a pit stop on the Browns proves anything about 20 years running another team. Even ignoring the tactical genius and preparation virtually everyone to play there swears by....he drafted like 22 pro bowlers in the time he was both coach and gm...one of them being Brady.

Bill built the patriots. He’d have likely built the browns as well. He did get them to like a 12 win season before the year they announced they were leaving and the city turned on them. He’s always hired great people and stockpiled picks and did the right thing with them. The Browns has Bill as head coach with Nick Saban as DC with Bill stock piling draft picks as usual.

He traded for the extra pick that ended up being Ray Lewis after he was fired...

He targeted Ray all along but after the ravens/browns got him he still got the team to pick Bruschi. It’s clear the pats are the best run team in the nfl and don’t do it like anyone else. Bill is out here drafting quarterbacks who end up punt returning, slot receiving, chain movers who play cornerback in afc title games.

It’s the nfl version of Duncan and Pop except nba players don’t sit down for half the game.

Boiling down his coaching to a brief run on a team leaving town is as fair as saying saying Bill had 2 11 win seasons without Brady one of them withMatt cassel, won playoff games with the browns, got to the super bowl with Brady out in the afc title game vs the Steelers and won the Super Bowl getting 140 yards passing.

It’s all true but isn’t really a full picture.

The patriots aren’t the patriots with just some random coach/gm or some random quarterback.

The pats are weird. It’s a team full of guys who just play football in general and are insanely ready to contribute in any way.

I bet they draft a tight end who ends up getting a game ending sack next playoffs after catching two touchdowns in the 4th.

[DaHeezy]

Brady is 29-10 in the playoffs. Montana was 16-7 in the playoffs. Anyone ranking Montana ahead of Brady at this point, is either an outright irrational and illogical Brady hater, or retarded, or both.

That's not what I was referencing.
Since ISH puts 90% value on finals records does Brady losing affect how people rank him.

If Brady loses he shall officially takes most loses in a Superbowl title.

[egokiller]

The QB position is inherently way more important than any other position therefore the best QB ever is inherently the goat football player. Of course I would expect retards not to grasp this.

And theres an argument that the gap between Brady and any other QB is bigger than the gap rice has over moss, and theres no clear cut best RB ever... so yeah, Tom Brady is definitely the goat and it's not close.

Stop believing everything you read on ESPN like a sheep. :lol Those analysts get fired for pushing current players as GOAT so that the respective leagues gain more views.

An unbiased website with no ties to the NFL:
https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/best-football-players-ever

17,000+ have Jerry Rice as the GOAT.

[Cleverness]

I have no problem with people calling Brady the GOAT. It's tough to argue against that objectively. But personally... gimme Peyton Manning over Brady with all else being equal.

[Vino24]

Manning is not even close to Brady anymore. Brady is too clutch. If there was a clutch gene he would have it. Manning folded like a cheap tent way too many times.

[dude77]

I have no problem with people calling Brady the GOAT. It's tough to argue against that objectively. But personally... gimme Peyton Manning over Brady with all else being equal.

I don't see manning wining that game yesterday



Manning is not even close to Brady anymore. Brady is too clutch. If there was a clutch gene he would have it. Manning folded like a cheap tent way too many times.


basically this

[Cleverness]

I don't see manning wining that game yesterday

When I saw the Colts win, it was because of Peyton. When I saw the Patriots win, I saw it as a team win. And maybe it's also because the beginning of their careers were so much different. Peyton was elite by his second season... I didn't think of Tom Brady as an elite QB until around 2007. Just my opinion!

[kennethgriffen]

I have no problem with people calling Brady the GOAT. It's tough to argue against that objectively. But personally... gimme Peyton Manning over Brady with all else being equal.


mannings a choker...he almost always underachieved in the playoffs

his 2nd superbowl ring was gift wrapped for him

[aj1987]

Stop believing everything you read on ESPN like a sheep. :lol Those analysts get fired for pushing current players as GOAT so that the respective leagues gain more views.

An unbiased website with no ties to the NFL:
https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/best-football-players-ever

17,000+ have Jerry Rice as the GOAT.
Good lord! This is why janitors should just stick to cleaning toilets. Leave the discussions up to us regular people.

[Kblaze8855]

I don't see manning wining that game yesterday

Im sure you didnt see him coming back from 3 TDs down to knock the Patriots out in 06 either. Brady last beat Manning in a game that mattered 15 years ago. Since then Manning knocked him out to go to the superbowl 3 times....and in 2 of them Brady threw game ending interceptions late.

And not one time has anyone seen me say Brady is the reason his teams lost.

When Peyton had the defense and a kicker...its a lot easier to win. Its all pretty clear...

But once a narrative gets going it stays in the minds of people who dont look that closely.

The Chiefs had the second worst defense to EVER make the playoffs. Not recently. Not since the merger. To make it...in all of history. I suspect Manning could perform. He did throw for 400 yards with no turnovers to knock the Pats out....the second time they won in the title game. The third time in a row Manning team knocked Bradys out to go to the superbowl Peyton was washed up and his defense and special teams were the reason. I have no problem saying so.

But nobody wants to consider such things when the Pats knocked out the colts by having the #1 defense in the league and forcing 5 turnovers, with 5 sacks, while Vinateri went 5 of 5 on field goals that game with the offense only scoring once. All thats remembered?

Memes of Brady being Mannings dad.

Its just weird the things we will flat out forget because of narrative.

Imagine the shit Peyton Manning would hear if his team beat the Steelers to make the superbowl without him. We would still be hearing about it. I have a patriot fan little cousin who legit...had no idea it happened till I told him. He didnt even know Drew Bledsoe played for the Pats after that injury that gave Tom a shot.

In the end all that survives is the useful part of the narrative. The way people talk you wouldnt even know Brady is 2-3 vs Manning in the playoffs. Not that it really matters individually.

[kennethgriffen]

Im sure you didnt see him coming back from 3 TDs down to knock the Patriots out in 06 either. Brady last beat Manning in a game that mattered 15 years ago. Since then Manning knocked him out to go to the superbowl 3 times....and in 2 of them Brady threw game ending interceptions late.

And not one time has anyone seen me say Brady is the reason his teams lost.

When Peyton had the defense and a kicker...its a lot easier to win. Its all pretty clear...

But once a narrative gets going it stays in the minds of people who dont look that closely.

The Chiefs had the second worst defense to EVER make the playoffs. Not recently. Not since the merger. To make it...in all of history. I suspect Manning could perform. He did throw for 400 yards with no turnovers to knock the Pats out....the second time they won in the title game. The third time in a row Manning team knocked Bradys out to go to the superbowl Peyton was washed up and his defense and special teams were the reason. I have no problem saying so.

But nobody wants to consider such things when the Pats knocked out the colts by having the #1 defense in the league and forcing 5 turnovers, with 5 sacks, while Vinateri went 5 of 5 on field goals that game with the offense only scoring once. All thats remembered?

Memes of Brady being Mannings dad.

Its just weird the things we will flat out forget because of narrative.

Imagine the shit Peyton Manning would hear if his team beat the Steelers to make the superbowl without him. We would still be hearing about it. I have a patriot fan little cousin who legit...had no idea it happened till I told him. He didnt even know Drew Bledsoe played for the Pats after that injury that gave Tom a shot.

In the end all that survives is the useful part of the narrative. The way people talk you wouldnt even know Brady is 2-3 vs Manning in the playoffs. Not that it really matters individually.


you know QBs dont guard each other right?


we judge them by what they do.. not by what QB they do it to


because a QB cant do anything to another QB. its physically impossible

[Kblaze8855]

Thats the entire point....

We make these things head to head matchups between people who are never on the field together.

You play the other teams defense.

Its not Bradys fault his team couldnt block Strahan/Osi when he played the Giants or Von Miller vs the Broncos. Its not his fault when his defense makes a bad read or someone has a drive killing false start. Its 50 on 50. The QB can lose the game for you easier due to how many chances he gets to personally turn it over but literally every player can **** up your game at any moment.

Kicking throws it off even more. The offense and defense sits down and literally prays for a guy who does 8 seconds of work a game to save the season.

If you have a Legatron all your thousands of hours of work may be saved. If you have Parkey hitting the uprights 6 times in the season it almost doesnt matter how good the rest of your team is. Eventually hes gonna have to come through or it was all for nothing.

When the colts came back from that disaster of a first half to beat the patriots in the title game when they won the first Super Bowl I was on here asking people who blamed Brady how is he supposed to stop Peyton Manning from scoring himself.

You get a 20 point lead unless you’re throwing pick six after pick six is on the d it to hold it.

We want a story so bad we throw out our common sense.

[kennethgriffen]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Thats the entire point....

We make these things head to head matchups between people who are never on the field together.

You play the other teams defense.

Its not Bradys fault his team couldnt block Strahan/Osi when he played the Giants or Von Miller vs the Broncos. Its not his fault when his defense makes a bad read or someone has a drive killing false start. Its 50 on 50. The QB can lose the game for you easier due to how many chances he gets to personally turn it over but literally every player can **** up your game at any moment.

Kicking throws it off even more. The offense and defense sits down and literally prays for a guy who does 8 seconds of work a game to save the season.

If you have a Legatron all your thousands of hours of work may be saved. If you have Parkey hitting the uprights 6 times in the season it almost doesnt matter how good the rest of your team is. Eventually hes gonna have to come through or it was all for nothing.

When the colts came back from that disaster of a first half to beat the patriots in the title game when they won the first Super Bowl I was on here asking people who blamed Brady how is he supposed to stop Peyton Manning from scoring himself.

You get a 20 point lead unless you

[Kblaze8855]

Even if you could judge a player by his teams success you couldnt compare a QB to other position that way. You say you are comparing all players all time this way...

Tell me...

How do you judge a cornerback vs a QB by success and records?

A corner cant win you a game on his own(not that a QB can either) and they have worse numbers when they play better.

How do you account for people not throwing at Deion at all? He gets no interceptions...or tackles. You can use his opponents catches if you can track it but vs a run dominant team....might they just not try him at all?

What clutch plays and records are you using to judge Joe Thomas? He supposed to have success on the browns just off being a great tackle his entire career?

You cant really cross positions in these things. You can always make a fun little list but you look at it and its just....

Ok. NFL did a list like 10 years ago. Otto Graham...5 time MVP 7 time champion. Number 16. Anthony Munoz who never won anything is #12. But ok...hes more modern...maybe they went with...hes flat out better at the game. But then Barry Sanders is #17. Don Hudson was the first great wideout...won 3 rings. Ok. But #9 all time? With Irvin #92 with the same 3 rings? Bart Starr has 7 rings and Terry Bradshaw 4. They are numbers 50 and 51.

It all gets so arbitrary because...how do you even argue Bronko Nagurski a 1930s fullback with 3 rings vs Ed Reed? So many people have stacks of rings and mvps and records...then some positions hurt their numbers with dominance(Corners) or cant stack numbers due to era(QBs and Wrs in the old days).

You just end up picking who you want then using whatever logic you must to make it make sense then throwing it all out in the next matchup. And I cant even blame you...because its an impossible task. So to be clear....I cant even say youre wrong to put Brady anywhere on an all time players list because I have no way to say he isnt that wouldnt invalidate some other ranking id have to make. It ends up personal opinion. Too many people have too many accolades and too many accolades either cant accurately judge the player as an individual....or dont exist for that position.

You cant get away from hypocrisy making such a list.

[stalkerforlife]

A QB will always have to be the GOAT because they are the most important player on the field.

That's just a simple fact.

And Brady is the GOAT QB.

Another simple fact.

There's no need to be cute here to push an agenda.

[Prometheus]

A QB will always have to be the GOAT because they are the most important player on the field.

That's just a simple fact.

And Brady is the GOAT QB.

Another simple fact.

There's no need to be cute here to push an agenda.

yep

[kennethgriffen]

Even if you could judge a player by his teams success you couldnt compare a QB to other position that way. You say you are comparing all players all time this way...

Tell me...

How do you judge a cornerback vs a QB by success and records?

A corner cant win you a game on his own(not that a QB can either) and they have worse numbers when they play better.

How do you account for people not throwing at Deion at all? He gets no interceptions...or tackles. You can use his opponents catches if you can track it but vs a run dominant team....might they just not try him at all?

What clutch plays and records are you using to judge Joe Thomas? He supposed to have success on the browns just off being a great tackle his entire career?

You cant really cross positions in these things. You can always make a fun little list but you look at it and its just....

Ok. NFL did a list like 10 years ago. Otto Graham...5 time MVP 7 time champion. Number 16. Anthony Munoz who never won anything is #12. But ok...hes more modern...maybe they went with...hes flat out better at the game. But then Barry Sanders is #17. Don Hudson was the first great wideout...won 3 rings. Ok. But #9 all time? With Irvin #92 with the same 3 rings? Bart Starr has 7 rings and Terry Bradshaw 4. They are numbers 50 and 51.

It all gets so arbitrary because...how do you even argue Bronko Nagurski a 1930s fullback with 3 rings vs Ed Reed? So many people have stacks of rings and mvps and records...then some positions hurt their numbers with dominance(Corners) or cant stack numbers due to era(QBs and Wrs in the old days).

You just end up picking who you want then using whatever logic you must to make it make sense then throwing it all out in the next matchup. And I cant even blame you...because its an impossible task. So to be clear....I cant even say youre wrong to put Brady anywhere on an all time players list because I have no way to say he isnt that wouldnt invalidate some other ranking id have to make. It ends up personal opinion. Too many people have too many accolades and too many accolades either cant accurately judge the player as an individual....or dont exist for that position.

You cant get away from hypocrisy making such a list.


why do you always write these books. i only address the first point you make. just sayin


and you dont compare qbs to corner backs because QBs are historically and inarguably more valuable/essential on average. QBs almost always win mvp so theyre undoubtedly better and more deserving of goat consideration. the best football player ever is tom brady beyond a shadow of a doubt


it was arguable like 7/8 years ago but now its just a fact and anyone who still tries arguing it is just a semantics troll or racist


i dunno which one you are yet lol

[Kblaze8855]

I dont think you would find anyone in football to tell you the best football players are always the quarterbacks. Theres a reason you know who Jim Brown is 50 years later and not his qb...who was a star by the way. Youre never gonna see an all time list with the top 50 QBs then Jerry Rice after all of that.

Youre always gonna see Rice, brown, LT, and guys on that level at or near the top of these lists with dozens of quarterbacks behind them. That is a simple fact. What you said is an opinion. A fact...is that you will never in your life see a top all time players list with nothing but quarterbacks at the top. And you shouldnt.

Barry Sanders vs Jim Kelly isnt just a dumb question because one is a QB and automatically better. It may be a dumb question...but that isnt why.

[Kblaze8855]

why do you always write these books. i only address the first point you make. just sayin


and you dont compare qbs to corner backs because QBs are historically and inarguably more valuable/essential on average. QBs almost always win mvp so theyre undoubtedly better and more deserving of goat consideration. the best football player ever is tom brady beyond a shadow of a doubt


it was arguable like 7/8 years ago but now its just a fact and anyone who still tries arguing it is just a semantics troll or racist


i dunno which one you are yet lol


I see this is going down your stupid record sales = ability path where you arent really accounting for anything so ill let you be after this....

If you dont compare quarterbacks with corners and every other position....you arent calling them the best player ever. You are calling them the best player...of those you choose to consider. Which is...not saying much.

If you only compare Qbs to QBs...why involve the other positions in it in the first place by saying its the best player of all time? If other positions arent eligible whats the point of saying someone is both the GOAT QB and player?

Its the same thing isnt it?

So why even make the distinction? Just argue GOAT QB and pretend nobody else exists....and dont include QBs in best player lists. If you do...isnt it the exact same list for the first several dozen at least?

Whats the point of two lists that are the exact same till #38 when you decide Jerry Rice might be as good at football as Boomer Esiason or Rich Gannon?

[kennethgriffen]

I dont think you would find anyone in football to tell you the best football players are always the quarterbacks. Theres a reason you know who Jim Brown is 50 years later and not his qb...who was a star by the way. Youre never gonna see an all time list with the top 50 QBs then Jerry Rice after all of that.

Youre always gonna see Rice, brown, LT, and guys on that level at or near the top of these lists with dozens of quarterbacks behind them. That is a simple fact. What you said is an opinion. A fact...is that you will never in your life see a top all time players list with nothing but quarterbacks at the top. And you shouldnt.

Barry Sanders vs Jim Kelly isnt just a dumb question because one is a QB and automatically better. It may be a dumb question...but that isnt why.


i think the edge is given to "the athlete" when its close... like if a guys accolades/success is similar to a quarterbacks then the guy who does fancy athletic drives will get more love. theyre more aesthetically pleasing and fans/players respect that more than a guy dominating with his brain


however... its not close with brady. no other non QB has had even half the career bradys had


i do kinda think youre racially motivated here btw. you almost always side with the black athlete/musician


i personally have been a big fan of black athletes growing up and deion sanders is my favorite football player ever. i used to argue him or bo jackson as the goat athletes


but as far as football goes tom brady is a literal god. when he makes people forget about joe montana and make it so you cant even make an argument for the guy anymore. you know bradys reached a status nobody will ever touch


hes basically michael jordan/kareem/wilt/magic combined


the only other team sport athlete with a comparable career is wayne gretzky

[Kblaze8855]

So I side with the black athlete against who exactly?

Who could that claim possibly even be about? Give me the arguments you think happened where I sided against the white athlete.

Point out to me a negative post ive made in my life about Bird, Stockton, Price, Mullin, Jerry West, or Hondo. Give me the white guys ive been trying to bring down in favor of a black guy.

Peyton Manning black now? Rodgers? Who is the black QB or player in general ive been repping?

You are among the group of oddly racist posters who are getting more comfortable admitting it the last year or so. Black guys this and black guys that. Thats your thing not mine.

[kennethgriffen]

So I side with the black athlete against who exactly?

Who could that claim possibly even be about? Give me the arguments you think happened where I sided against the white athlete.

Point out to me a negative post ive made in my life about Bird, Stockton, Price, Mullin, Jerry West, or Hondo. Give me the white guys ive been trying to bring down in favor of a black guy.

Peyton Manning black now? Rodgers? Who is the black QB or player in general ive been repping?


my mistake

i think youre more of a semantics troll tbh


you would argue against jesus being the most positively effected legacy by premature death. you'd start bringing up lennon, tupac, cobain etc.. i think you're more obsessed with creating plausible deniability for a subject than even me

i think dealing with ISH on a daily basis has infected you lol


ive never seen you enter a thread and say "agreed" ... its only ever been a combative essay post

[Kblaze8855]

my mistake

i think youre more of a semantics troll tbh


you will argue against jesus being the most positively effected legacy by his premature death. you'd start bringing up lennon, tupac, cobain etc.. i think you're more obsessed with creating plausible deniability for a subject than even me

i think dealing with ISH on a daily basis has infected you lol


ive never seen you enter a thread and say "agreed" ... its only ever been a combative essay post


Go read the main page of ISH.

Almost nothing justifies an "agreed". People dont make topics on forums designed for arguing when they are indisputable. Not often at least.

[TheMan]

Im sure you didnt see him coming back from 3 TDs down to knock the Patriots out in 06 either. Brady last beat Manning in a game that mattered 15 years ago. Since then Manning knocked him out to go to the superbowl 3 times....and in 2 of them Brady threw game ending interceptions late.

And not one time has anyone seen me say Brady is the reason his teams lost.

When Peyton had the defense and a kicker...its a lot easier to win. Its all pretty clear...

But once a narrative gets going it stays in the minds of people who dont look that closely.

The Chiefs had the second worst defense to EVER make the playoffs. Not recently. Not since the merger. To make it...in all of history. I suspect Manning could perform. He did throw for 400 yards with no turnovers to knock the Pats out....the second time they won in the title game. The third time in a row Manning team knocked Bradys out to go to the superbowl Peyton was washed up and his defense and special teams were the reason. I have no problem saying so.

But nobody wants to consider such things when the Pats knocked out the colts by having the #1 defense in the league and forcing 5 turnovers, with 5 sacks, while Vinateri went 5 of 5 on field goals that game with the offense only scoring once. All thats remembered?

Memes of Brady being Mannings dad.

Its just weird the things we will flat out forget because of narrative.

Imagine the shit Peyton Manning would hear if his team beat the Steelers to make the superbowl without him. We would still be hearing about it. I have a patriot fan little cousin who legit...had no idea it happened till I told him. He didnt even know Drew Bledsoe played for the Pats after that injury that gave Tom a shot.

In the end all that survives is the useful part of the narrative. The way people talk you wouldnt even know Brady is 2-3 vs Manning in the playoffs. Not that it really matters individually.
This x infinity

If KC had a middle of the pack D, they easily beat the Patriots on Sunday but context doesn't matter when you have an agenda to push.

Brady is not the GOAT and the Rams will win the Super Bowl because not only do they have a legit offense, their defense doesn't suck. Mark this down...thats how confident I am that NE will not beat LA unless of course the refs rescue the Pats like they've done so on many other occasions.

[kennethgriffen]

This x infinity

If KC had a middle of the pack D, they easily beat the Patriots on Sunday but context doesn't matter when you have an agenda to push.

Brady is not the GOAT and the Rams will win the Super Bowl because not only do they have a legit offense, their defense doesn't suck. Mark this down...thats how confident I am that NE will not beat LA unless of course the refs rescue the Pats like they've done so on many other occasions.


bradys won with some pathetic teammates or key injuries so to say "if the chiefs had more help" isnt really much of an argument

[TheMan]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Thats the entire point....

We make these things head to head matchups between people who are never on the field together.

You play the other teams defense.

Its not Bradys fault his team couldnt block Strahan/Osi when he played the Giants or Von Miller vs the Broncos. Its not his fault when his defense makes a bad read or someone has a drive killing false start. Its 50 on 50. The QB can lose the game for you easier due to how many chances he gets to personally turn it over but literally every player can **** up your game at any moment.

Kicking throws it off even more. The offense and defense sits down and literally prays for a guy who does 8 seconds of work a game to save the season.

If you have a Legatron all your thousands of hours of work may be saved. If you have Parkey hitting the uprights 6 times in the season it almost doesnt matter how good the rest of your team is. Eventually hes gonna have to come through or it was all for nothing.

When the colts came back from that disaster of a first half to beat the patriots in the title game when they won the first Super Bowl I was on here asking people who blamed Brady how is he supposed to stop Peyton Manning from scoring himself.

You get a 20 point lead unless you

[kennethgriffen]

and i thought the patriots were only there cause of their shitty division

i thought their record was inflated


shoulda been an easy win for the chiefs

[Kblaze8855]

What you would do with an entirely different D doesnt much matter. Gotta have it on both sides or you dont deserve to win. Awful to have it come down to a coin flip though.

You know Dee Ford wants to crawl into a hole though. Game ending pick with 54 seconds left up 4...called back because his hand is in the neutral zone.

You wanna talk what ifs....thats where you start. Winning and losing is often that close. Imagine a Patriot making that mistake with the superbowl on the line. Bill would melt down.

Gronk would have been the hated one for a year or two. Went right off his hands into the air for the pick. Brady threw it a bit high I think but he had both hands on it without even jumping I believe.

Essentially never happened.

[kennethgriffen]

What you would do with an entirely different D doesnt much matter. Gotta have it on both sides or you dont deserve to win. Awful to have it come down to a coin flip though.

You know Dee Ford wants to crawl into a hole though. Game ending pick with 54 seconds left up 4...called back because his hand is in the neutral zone.

You wanna talk what ifs....thats where you start. Winning and losing is often that close. Imagine a Patriot making that mistake with the superbowl on the line. Bill would melt down.

Gronk would have been the hated one for a year or two. Went right off his hands into the air for the pick. Brady threw it a bit high I think but he had both hands on it without even jumping I believe.

Essentially never happened.


if it came down to a coin flip then shouldnt the saints be in the superbowl


woops

[TheMan]

bradys won with some pathetic teammates or key injuries so to say "if the chiefs had more help" isnt really much of an argument
Bro, the fact that Mahomes dragged that D all the way to the AFC title game and was within 2 mins of going to the SB shows you how much of a bad man he is. I got in late on the Mahomes bandwagon too, I was skeptical but the kid is legit.

Brady owes much of his success to Belichick, he has a system in place that makes players interchangeable. I'm not saying Brady sucks either, he's one of the best QBs to ever play the game but to flat out call him the undisputed GOAT is asinine. Put Dan Marino in Brady's place (or any of the other all time great QBs) and there is no way I'll ever believe they get worse.

[kennethgriffen]

Bro, the fact that Mahomes dragged that D all the way to the AFC title game and was within 2 mins of going to the SB shows you how much of a bad man he is. I got in late on the Mahomes bandwagon too, I was skeptical but the kid is legit.

Brady owes much of his success to Belichick, he has a system in place that makes players interchangeable. I'm not saying Brady sucks either, he's one of the best QBs to ever play the game but to flat out call him the undisputed GOAT is asinine. Put Dan Marino in Brady's place (or any of the other all time great QBs) and there is no way I'll ever believe they get worse.


BB has made some of the dumbest trades/releases/management decisions and has been accused of trying to sabotage brady

i think he wins in spite of that moron tbh

[1987_Lakers]

Im sure you didnt see him coming back from 3 TDs down to knock the Patriots out in 06 either. Brady last beat Manning in a game that mattered 15 years ago. Since then Manning knocked him out to go to the superbowl 3 times....and in 2 of them Brady threw game ending interceptions late.

And not one time has anyone seen me say Brady is the reason his teams lost.

When Peyton had the defense and a kicker...its a lot easier to win. Its all pretty clear...

But once a narrative gets going it stays in the minds of people who dont look that closely.

The Chiefs had the second worst defense to EVER make the playoffs. Not recently. Not since the merger. To make it...in all of history. I suspect Manning could perform. He did throw for 400 yards with no turnovers to knock the Pats out....the second time they won in the title game. The third time in a row Manning team knocked Bradys out to go to the superbowl Peyton was washed up and his defense and special teams were the reason. I have no problem saying so.

But nobody wants to consider such things when the Pats knocked out the colts by having the #1 defense in the league and forcing 5 turnovers, with 5 sacks, while Vinateri went 5 of 5 on field goals that game with the offense only scoring once. All thats remembered?

Memes of Brady being Mannings dad.

Its just weird the things we will flat out forget because of narrative.

Imagine the shit Peyton Manning would hear if his team beat the Steelers to make the superbowl without him. We would still be hearing about it. I have a patriot fan little cousin who legit...had no idea it happened till I told him. He didnt even know Drew Bledsoe played for the Pats after that injury that gave Tom a shot.

In the end all that survives is the useful part of the narrative. The way people talk you wouldnt even know Brady is 2-3 vs Manning in the playoffs. Not that it really matters individually.


Manning has too many postseason blunders to be even considered on the same level as Brady.

- The pick 6 in the super bowl vs the Saints in the 4th quarter that cost them the game
- Getting stomped in the super bowl vs the Seahawks despite having a historic offense
- Throwing a pick in OT vs the Ravens in 2012 and losing
- Also lost to the Steelers in '05 and Chargers in '07, games where he was heavily favored to win.

In my lifetime, I've never seen a QB lose more games he was favored to win in the postseason than Manning.

[1987_Lakers]

And lets not forget 2015 Manning is probably the worst starting QB to ever win a super bowl. Worse than Trent Dilfer.

[dude77]

:lol it pains the black militant racists to admit a california white boy is the GREATEST OF ALL TIME .. ouch .. but thems the facts homies ... if tom brady were black in this discussion, y'all would be saying 'yeah sure' lol .. in your racist minds, whitey can never be goat of anything .. insecure losers

[Kblaze8855]

if it came down to a coin flip then shouldnt the saints be in the superbowl


woops


Did I say every game in Ot comes down to a flip?

When you have two high powered offenses and one team has a historically bad D...its safe to say winning the flip is key. People spend a whole year comparing players....a coin flip gives one the ball...the other loses from the bench. He might as well be a fan at that point.

The rule will change soon just as it did when Manning lost without getting into the game in OT and they made you score a TD instead of a fg. Ive heard too many people in position to impact the league speak on it already.

They arent gonna keep up marketing these players...mostly QBs...so hard..then let the MVP not get a chance in OT. For money/excitment alone it will change.

[Kblaze8855]

Manning has too many postseason blunders to be even considered on the same level as Brady.

- The pick 6 in the super bowl vs the Saints in the 4th quarter that cost them the game
- Getting stomped in the super bowl vs the Seahawks despite having a historic offense
- Throwing a pick in OT vs the Ravens in 2012 and losing
- Also lost to the Steelers in '05 and Chargers in '07, games where he was heavily favored to win.

In my lifetime, I've never seen a QB lose more games he was favored to win in the postseason than Manning.



Id have to check to see how many of the 11 or so losses by the Pats they were favored in. They favored vs the Jets? Ravens? I figure the Broncos in Denver were probably favored. I know the Pats were favored in 3 superbowl losses.

Id be interested in those career numbers.

Most of the Pats losses would be upsets. They were favored in 67 games in a row recently.

[kennethgriffen]

And lets not forget 2015 Manning is probably the worst starting QB to ever win a super bowl. Worse than Trent Dilfer.


manning vs brady is an argument from like 2014 lol


since then bradys had a better 4 years than mannings entire career

[CelticBaller]

Kblaze is a legit dumbass

He posted Peyton Manning like he never had a top 10 defense. Yes he did, multiple times and choked

[Kblaze8855]

:lol it pains the black militant racists to admit a california white boy is the GREATEST OF ALL TIME .. ouch .. but thems the facts homies ... if tom brady were black in this discussion, y'all would be saying 'yeah sure' lol .. in your racist minds, whitey can never be goat of anything .. insecure losers


You obvious racists really need to calm down calling everyone else racist. Black people this black people that. I dont spent half the time you types do talking about white people and thats with white people making decisions that matter...

[Kblaze8855]

Kblaze is a legit dumbass

He posted Peyton Manning like he never had a top 10 defense. Yes he did, multiple times and choked


Funny when people make up a point to refute.

"Yes he did" like I said he never have a top 10 defense. I mentioned one year he won because of defense and called him washed up.....

Shall I fabricate some quotes of yours to argue against?

[kennethgriffen]

You obvious racists really need to calm down calling everyone else racist. Black people this black people that. I dont spent half the time you types do talking about white people and thats with white people making decisions that matter...


why dont you call out and warn the black posters who start racist threads all the time if its such a big deal

the "anti maga fam" i.e. the anti white posters who make an entire season about a milky darlene conner redneck barely black QB being the death of all white hope going forward etc...

[Kblaze8855]

Did I warn him? Or you?

If I were going to ban you for being racist you would be banned. Clearly I’m not that worried about it.

It’s just weird hearing people always talking about black people yelling about racism.

It’s like you don’t read your own posts.

[tpols]

:lol it pains the black militant racists to admit a california white boy is the GREATEST OF ALL TIME .. ouch .. but thems the facts homies ... if tom brady were black in this discussion, y'all would be saying 'yeah sure' lol .. in your racist minds, whitey can never be goat of anything .. insecure losers


The other GOAT candidates at QB are all white too you dolt.

[tpols]

This x infinity

If KC had a middle of the pack D, they easily beat the Patriots on Sunday but context doesn't matter when you have an agenda to push.

Brady is not the GOAT and the Rams will win the Super Bowl because not only do they have a legit offense, their defense doesn't suck. Mark this down...thats how confident I am that NE will not beat LA unless of course the refs rescue the Pats like they've done so on many other occasions.


I really like the rams as well.

The chiefs got no pressure on Brady...how did teams beat Peyton? They threw the book at him. Aaron Donald and Suh are gonna be in toms grill.

[kennethgriffen]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Did I warn him? Or you?

If I were going to ban you for being racist you would be banned. Clearly I

[kennethgriffen]

The other GOAT candidates at QB are all white too you dolt.


QBs dont count though according to kblaze... wonder why


:lol

[stalkerforlife]

I dont think you would find anyone in football to tell you the best football players are always the quarterbacks. Theres a reason you know who Jim Brown is 50 years later and not his qb...who was a star by the way. Youre never gonna see an all time list with the top 50 QBs then Jerry Rice after all of that.

Youre always gonna see Rice, brown, LT, and guys on that level at or near the top of these lists with dozens of quarterbacks behind them. That is a simple fact. What you said is an opinion. A fact...is that you will never in your life see a top all time players list with nothing but quarterbacks at the top. And you shouldnt.

Barry Sanders vs Jim Kelly isnt just a dumb question because one is a QB and automatically better. It may be a dumb question...but that isnt why.

The QB is the most important player and controls everything.

You can argue that Rice or whoever else you like is better than SOME quarterbacks, but he nor any of your other examples can ever be better than THE BEST QB because most of the time, the game centers around the QB and his capabilities. (Rarely is there a Trent Dilfer situation resulting in a SB victory)

I really hope this isn't about race with you.

[tpols]

The QB is the most important player and controls everything.

You can argue that Rice or whoever else you like is better than SOME quarterbacks, but he nor any of your other examples can ever be better than THE BEST QB because most of the time, the game centers around the QB and his capabilities. (Rarely is there a Trent Dilfer situation resulting in a SB victory)

I really hope this isn't about race with you.


Nick foles and Eli swept Brady.

There are running backs, and defensive players who rival top QB impact for sure. WRs is tougher but I'd take moss or rice over Brady no doubt starting a random team.

[Kblaze8855]

QBs dont count though according to kblaze... wonder why


:lol


Show me anything I said to suggest any position doesn

[kennethgriffen]

The QB is the most important player and controls everything.

You can argue that Rice or whoever else you like is better than SOME quarterbacks, but he nor any of your other examples can ever be better than THE BEST QB because most of the time, the game centers around the QB and his capabilities. (Rarely is there a Trent Dilfer situation resulting in a SB victory)

I really hope this isn't about race with you.

kblaze says it cant be race related because he said something good about a few white guys lol


yet he calls me racist when all ive done for over a decade is hype up a black guy every day


my 20,000 posts to his dozen or so arent good enough. i think i still need to prove myself

[Kblaze8855]

The QB is the most important player and controls everything.

You can argue that Rice or whoever else you like is better than SOME quarterbacks, but he nor any of your other examples can ever be better than THE BEST QB because most of the time, the game centers around the QB and his capabilities. (Rarely is there a Trent Dilfer situation resulting in a SB victory)

I really hope this isn't about race with you.


I swear it

[tpols]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Show me anything I said to suggest any position doesn

[kennethgriffen]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]I swear it

[Kblaze8855]

Basketball players play Entire games and have to do the same things in different amounts.

Football players sit down half the game and many positions have no overlapping skills.

They are entirely different athletes. In a basketball game can you can shoot a ball you can dribble you can pass and you can defend and rebound. All players do all 5.

When is a corner throwing a ball?

When do we see a running backs man to man coverage or a tight ends kicking power?

It

[Wally450]

Just read that Brady has 4 wins on the road against #1 seeds (01 Steelers, 04 Steelers, 06 Chargers and 18 Chiefs.)

Joe Montana did it once (88 Bears)

Peyton Manning has never done it.

[Kblaze8855]

i'm just saying the racism goes both ways on here so if you warn him you should warn instigators from the other side as well


and i don't consider myself racist. just straight up and honest when debating current events/historical facts


if i was racist i wouldn't have dedicated more than half my life to worshipping a black man


Every racist thinks they are just telling the truth. Actually believing the shit they say is why it

[Prometheus]

This has to be one of the only times I've ever disagreed with kblaze.

I mean, I agree with a lot of the finer points... how hard it is to compare, etc.

But a certain level of benefit of doubt has to be given when someone comes through so many times on the biggest stage.

I can buy the argument that there isn't really a GOAT. But at this point, when it comes to the NFL... IF we are to pick a GOAT, it's Tom Brady and the discussion is concluded.

[kennethgriffen]

Basketball players play Entire games and have to do the same things in different amounts.

Football players sit down half the game and many positions have no overlapping skills.

They are entirely different athletes. In a basketball game can you can shoot a ball you can dribble you can pass and you can defend and rebound. All players do all 5.

When is a corner throwing a ball?

When do we see a running backs man to man coverage or a tight ends kicking power?

It’s like comparing a pitcher to a DH.



the thing is youre wrong though


if deion sanders could throw.. he would have.. but he couldnt


however... many QBs have ran the ball.. juked.. hurtled.. hit... tucked and dove... so in reality the QB position is the most multifaceted...

and if a guy can dominate with throws instead because he chooses to do that and has more of a positive impact that way. then why discredit him for it


would be like hating on a guy for only choosing to shoot 3s most of the time


but you wouldnt hold curry out of all time debates would you?

[Prometheus]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Every racist thinks they are just telling the truth. Actually believing the shit they say is why it

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I had Manning > Brady until I saw Brady wreck the same Raven defense Peyton got blitzed against.

Brady is the most accomplished @ his position imo.

Which means he's in the GOAT discussion. Or "GOAT tier" with others who had similar impact.

[1987_Lakers]

I really like the rams as well.

The chiefs got no pressure on Brady...how did teams beat Peyton? They threw the book at him. Aaron Donald and Suh are gonna be in toms grill.
The Rams have more talent but so did the Chargers. I really dont know who to pick at the moment but keep in mind the Chiefs led the NFL in sacks and they couldnt get any pressure on Brady so there is no guarentee the Rams will.

[1987_Lakers]

Id have to check to see how many of the 11 or so losses by the Pats they were favored in. They favored vs the Jets? Ravens? I figure the Broncos in Denver were probably favored. I know the Pats were favored in 3 superbowl losses.

Id be interested in those career numbers.

Most of the Pats losses would be upsets. They were favored in 67 games in a row recently.
The ones that come to mind are the 2010 Jets, 2012 Ravens, and 2007 Giants. Pats were favored big time in those games and lost, but two of those games were deep into the playoffs. Many people including myself had the Giants winning in 2011, so not sure if you can call that a big upset.

Manning had a bunch of seasons where his team had a first round bye and lost in the divisional round despite being huge favorites. He also underperformed in every super bowl he played in, including his victory vs the Bears.

[stalkerforlife]

Nick foles and Eli swept Brady.

There are running backs, and defensive players who rival top QB impact for sure. WRs is tougher but I'd take moss or rice over Brady no doubt starting a random team.

Foles and Eli did not play him one on one.

What kind of dumb ass declaration is that?

You saying you'd take a WR, a player completely dependent on the QB, shows your football IQ.

Moss over Brady?

This is just getting f ucking stupid at this point.

[stalkerforlife]

Foles and Eli did not play him one on one.

What kind of dumb ass declaration is that?

You saying you'd take a WR, a player completely dependent on the QB, shows your football IQ.

Moss over Brady?

This is just getting f ucking stupid at this point.

And Brady has proven time and time again that he can take throw away receivers and turn them into stars.

He takes small white guys that other teams don't want and continually ends up in the SB.

:facepalm

[TheMan]

Just read that Brady has 4 wins on the road against #1 seeds (01 Steelers, 04 Steelers, 06 Chargers and 18 Chiefs.)

Joe Montana did it once (88 Bears)

Peyton Manning has never done it.
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[Kblaze8855]

You don

[AlternativeAcc.]

Havent read the last 5 pages but kblaze is still arguing about a black wr to fit his agenda?

Using his logic adam vinatari is the goat football player. Lol, stick to basketball guy
:facepalm

[kennethgriffen]

You don’t see the issue with calling a wr dependent on a qb? What good is a throw if nobody catches it?

Football is the ultimate team game. A bad OL can end your career. Brady got on the field because Drew Bledsoe was nearly killed. Getting beat on the line cost Brady his 08 season. One person not doing his job at almost any position and you can’t win once they figure out who to attack.

Fundamentally my biggest problem beyond the complete lack of respect for how much it takes to win in the NFL is simple.....

If you don’t include all players in a best ever list....how is it a list of best players?

It’s like I always ask young people who say things like players before the 90s don’t count because they were playing chain smoking mailmen.

If you eliminate half the history of the league why call it GOAT? Just call it best I’ve ever seen.

When you eliminate every great player in the history of the game from consideration except those who played one position why not just make a list of the best player at that position? How is it saying someone is the greatest player of all time when 95% of the great players are eliminated from contention for not being one position?


Nobody says Brady with 5 rings and 4(?) mvps isn’t up there by any standard. Or that Otto Graham isn’t with 7 championships, 7 time first team all pro, and winning 3 mvps. Nobody gives a shit because it was a long time ago but it happened. Nobody think Montana and Starr and so on aren’t in the conversation.

But if they are the start and end...and Rice, Jim Brown, Reggie White and so on are automatically out...

When you call someone the GOAT football player and don’t consider them....what does it even matter?

Doesn’t the greatest of all time title lose something when you eliminate people from contention? If the way to eliminate Rice in a discussion vs Bart Starr is that he isn’t a qb....why not stick to who the best qb is and not pretend you’re even counting all players?

If all players don’t count....what’s the point of saying best player ever?


you need to stop. its ok to lose



if your argument had any validity QB's would have their own MVP awards

and even in hockey and baseball where goalies and pitchers have their own awards. even they can win mvp ontop of the Vezina and Cy Young awards


pitchers have won world series mvps... goalies have won playoff mvps


if everyone else can find a way to distinguish who's the best or most valuable player even when they do completely different jobs as someone else.. then you should be able to find a way to be smart enough to make the same judgement

you're jumping through hoops trying to reclassify something that doesn't need to be reclassified. people can make up their own minds and the majority rules in the end

the people have spoken and by the looks of it brady is overwhelming landslide goat whether you like it or not

[tpols]

Foles and Eli did not play him one on one.

What kind of dumb ass declaration is that?

You saying you'd take a WR, a player completely dependent on the QB, shows your football IQ.

Moss over Brady?

This is just getting f ucking stupid at this point.


:roll:

thats the whole point.

You guys want to give tom all the credit for a massive team effort.

and yes... you can take brady and a mid ranked reciever, ill take a combo like rivers and moss, because moss's relative talent will eclipse his WR peers more than brady's will River's.

[kennethgriffen]

:roll:

thats the whole point.

You guys want to give tom all the credit for a massive team effort.

and yes... you can take brady and a mid ranked reciever, ill take a combo like rivers and moss, because moss's relative talent will eclipse his WR peers more than brady's will River's.


nobodies giving brady all the credit. but he does get most of the credit for any individual


jordan was probably 40% responsible for the bulls success in the 90's... pippen was 20%... every other player combined was 20%... coaching/management another 20%

so even while the "goat" by majority opinion isn't even half the reason a team won. he's still overwhelmingly the most important

[Kblaze8855]

you need to stop. its ok to lose



if your argument had any validity QB's would have their own MVP awards

and even in hockey and baseball where goalies and pitchers have their own awards. even they can win mvp ontop of the Vezina and Cy Young awards


pitchers have won world series mvps... goalies have won playoff mvps


if everyone else can find a way to distinguish who's the best or most valuable player even when they do completely different jobs as someone else.. then you should be able to find a way to be smart enough to make the same judgement

you're jumping through hoops trying to reclassify something that doesn't need to be reclassified. people can make up their own minds and the majority rules in the end

the people have spoken and by the looks of it brady is overwhelming landslide goat whether you like it or not


To make it simple....Almost everybody I know knows less than me about everything I have a strong opinion on. Including you. I have no concern whatsoever for the opinion of a majority that doesn

[egokiller]

Why do people always try to promote a guy in their era as being GOAT when he's clearly not and they just wind up looking dumb for trying to make the argument? :lol

You'll never win an argument of Brady over Rice. Maybe someone who never saw Rice play will agree with you but that's about it. When it comes to the NFL, it's about who dominated at their position the most.

When NFL Network made its list of the best 100 players in the league

[1987_Lakers]

Just read that Brady has 4 wins on the road against #1 seeds (01 Steelers, 04 Steelers, 06 Chargers and 18 Chiefs.)

Joe Montana did it once (88 Bears)

Peyton Manning has never done it.

That is pretty savage, he was only favorite in one of those games against the '04 Steelers, but that Steelers team was nasty, 15-1, #1 defense, and a nice RB duo with Bettis & Staley.

[stalkerforlife]

[QUOTE=egokiller]Why do people always try to promote a guy in their era as being GOAT when he's clearly not and they just wind up looking dumb for trying to make the argument? :lol

You'll never win an argument of Brady over Rice. Maybe someone who never saw Rice play will agree with you but that's about it. When it comes to the NFL, it's about who dominated at their position the most.

When NFL Network made its list of the best 100 players in the league

[dude77]

[QUOTE=egokiller]Why do people always try to promote a guy in their era as being GOAT when he's clearly not and they just wind up looking dumb for trying to make the argument? :lol

You'll never win an argument of Brady over Rice. Maybe someone who never saw Rice play will agree with you but that's about it. When it comes to the NFL, it's about who dominated at their position the most.

When NFL Network made its list of the best 100 players in the league

[Akrazotile]

h
Rice had two of the greatest quarterbacks of all time throwing to him.

Brady continually wins with average talent at the WR position.

Brady has turned 5'9 white receivers into perceived stars over and over.

Brady’s linemen are consistently some of the best in the game. He gets more time to throw than nearly every quarterback.

The offensive line is the most important part of the offense. Period. Then quarterback. Then outside skill positions.

The Pats know football starts on the inside and moves out. Thats why theyre them, and the Detriot Lions take a WR three consecutive years at the top of the draft followed by a quarterback and a runningback, and then suck.

A good line is way more important for a quarterback than top end receiving talent.

Way more.

[stalkerforlife]

h

Brady’s linemen are consistently some of the best in the game. He gets more time to throw than nearly every quarterback.

The offensive line is the most important part of the offense. Period. Then quarterback. Then outside skill positions.

The Pats know football starts on the inside and moves out. Thats why theyre them, and the Detriot Lions take a WR three consecutive years at the top of the draft followed by a quarterback and a runningback, and then suck.

A good line is way more important for a quarterback than top end receiving talent.

Way more.

Brady makes his line look better because he's the quickest decision maker in NFL history.

He's slow and old and it doesn't matter because his mind is tiers ahead of everyone.

But yes, the offensive line is more important than top tier WR talent.

[Akrazotile]

Brady makes his line look better because he's the quickest decision maker in NFL history.

He's slow and old and it doesn't matter because his mind is tiers ahead of everyone.

But yes, the offensive line is more important than top tier WR talent.


I agree with that. Brady’s poise is his greatest asset. His arm is more or less average for a qb, in terms of both strength and accuracy. He has very good shiftiness in the pocket and sees the field exceptionally well.

But he’s not making chicken salad out of chicken shit. The Pats consistently field an above average line, which can be seen even when Brady is out. When you combine Brady with a good line, you get great results.

That said, Belichik doesnt just bring in any white hobo to play WR either. Welker, Edelman, Gronk... those guys are real ballers.

[warriorfan]

[QUOTE=egokiller]Why do people always try to promote a guy in their era as being GOAT when he's clearly not and they just wind up looking dumb for trying to make the argument? :lol

You'll never win an argument of Brady over Rice. Maybe someone who never saw Rice play will agree with you but that's about it. When it comes to the NFL, it's about who dominated at their position the most.

When NFL Network made its list of the best 100 players in the league

[kennethgriffen]

To make it simple....Almost everybody I know knows less than me about everything I have a strong opinion on. Including you. I have no concern whatsoever for the opinion of a majority that doesn’t care enough to look into things as much as I do.

I value independent opinions if well explained even if I don’t agree. I don’t care very much for group think because people as a group almost never know what they’re talking about.

When I don’t know what I’m talking about I don’t speak. A great many people don’t have that trait. Why would I value the opinion far as best ever from someone who can’t tell me who half the people in question played for?

I care as much about what the majority who never heard of Sid Luckman think about where he ranks as they should care what I think about who the best tennis player is. I know names from living in society...but I don’t known shit about tennis.

My opinion is insignificant. And on football and basketball?

Most peoples are.

But again...you take it into your Beatles thing where opinions become facts...soooo...I’ll get back to this 10 year old who had a hip operation and can’t walk for a few weeks.

You go do whatever....and after the super bowl come ask me if my opinion changed....when you should know it won’t no matter who wins. I’m the same one who told people LeBron is still behind Larry bird to me after winning the third title because I don’t care about shit like that. But I keep having to explain why for different players in multiple sports.

I’m used to it.

stopped reading there :roll:

jesus... and i thought i was the biggest narcissist on ISH


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[tpols]

Rice had two of the greatest quarterbacks of all time throwing to him.

Brady continually wins with average talent at the WR position.

Brady has turned 5'9 white receivers into perceived stars over and over.



So you accused others of racism than play the white's are inferior card to say brady has had no help?

:biggums:

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He's played with a slew of GOAT recieving talent... some of the best outside, slot, and TE recievers ever lmao and shots called by a genius on the sidelines. Get real.

[kennethgriffen]

So you accused others of racism than play the white's are inferior card to say brady has had no help?

:biggums:

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He's played with a slew of GOAT recieving talent... some of the best outside, slot, and TE recievers ever lmao and shots called by a genius on the sidelines. Get real.


skip and shannon both agreed that brady has some slow unathletic white guys as receivers and that only boosts his goat status


when shannon sharpe gives it up you know its over

[Kblaze8855]

stopped reading there

jesus... and i thought i was the biggest narcissist on ISH

Call it what you want. I know more than most people about basketball and football history. I should. I care about it. Im sure most people know more than me about whatever their subjects of interest are.


Brady’s linemen are consistently some of the best in the game. He gets more time to throw than nearly every quarterback.

I doubt thats true in many seasons. Once Brady was 10-12 years in and started to play the way they do now he didnt need much time. He knows where hes going before the snap. Bradys pre snap ability negates the pass rush for the most part. I dont think anyone should deny that. They have a genius coach of course...and the most prepared team in the league....but that doesnt mean Brady doesnt do his part. Its not like early in his career. You know they won a superbowl with only 3 offensive touchdowns in the entire playoffs? Not 3 from Brady. 3 period. The offense scored 3 touchdowns the entire playoffs and won the superbowl.

That would never happen today. They lean on him a lot more than they did for that first run.

[kennethgriffen]

Call it what you want. I know more than most people about basketball and football history. I should. I care about it. Im sure most people know more than me about whatever their subjects of interest are.



I doubt thats true in many seasons. Once Brady was 10-12 years in and started to play the way they do now he didnt need much time. He knows where hes going before the snap. Bradys pre snap ability negates the pass rush for the most part. I dont think anyone should deny that. They have a genius coach of course...and the most prepared team in the league....but that doesnt mean Brady doesnt do his part. Its not like early in his career. You know they won a superbowl with only 3 offensive touchdowns in the entire playoffs? Not 3 from Brady. 3 period. The offense scored 3 touchdowns the entire playoffs and won the superbowl.

That would never happen today. They lean on him a lot more than they did for that first run.


knowing more trivia doesn't mean you have proper judgement .. you have an extreme minority opinion that nobody here agrees with. you're obviously 100% incorrect regardless if you know the score of a random playoff game from 1978

[Kblaze8855]

Everyone thinks most people are idiots till its time to talk about most people agreeing with them.

I dont care what you think. Your opinion means as much to me as dust in the wind. And your opinions you pass off as fact mean even less.

You dont seem to know very much about football. Most people....dont know much about football. Most people know enough to answer a question on best ever with the names they hear on tv.

Most people are to football and basketball what I am to tennis.

I could give you 8-9 names for GOAT with some half assed reasoning that would be fundamentally similar to what someone who did know would give you. I know who has the most grand slams. What surface Nadal is a beast on. I know who got injured young....but I dont know shit about tennis.

I know names and basics.

Most of the people you refer to know no more than that about football or basketball.

You may have heard the name George Blanda. You dont know who he is. The vast majority of people responding to a poll on ESPN dont either. Why would I value their opinion on where he stands...or yours?

People who know what they're talking about can disagree with me with no objection....I respect it.

You? And most people really? I care as much what you think about the two Jacks on Bradshaws steelers as what an earthworm thinks of my shoes.

[kennethgriffen]

Everyone thinks most people are idiots till its time to talk about most people agreeing with them.

I dont care what you think. Your opinion means as much to me as dust in the wind. And your opinions you pass off as fact mean even less.

You dont seem to know very much about football. Most people....dont know much about football. Most people know enough to answer a question on best ever with the names they hear on tv.

Most people are to football and basketball what I am to tennis.

I could give you 8-9 names for GOAT with some half assed reasoning that would be fundamentally similar to what someone who did know would give you. I know who has the most grand slams. What surface Nadal is a beast on. I know who got injured young....but I dont know shit about tennis.

I know names and basics.

Most of the people you refer to know no more than that about football or basketball.

You may have heard the name George Blanda. You dont know who he is. The vast majority of people responding to a poll on ESPN dont either. Why would I value their opinion on where he stands...or yours?

People who know what they're talking about can disagree with me with no objection....I respect it.

You? And most people really? I care as much what you think about the two Jacks on Bradshaws steelers as what an earthworm thinks of my shoes.


i dont care if you listen to my opinion


but to not listen to anyones even when its an overwhelming majority against yours is an ostrich head in the sand technique


if there was a specific formula for "goat" then you'd have a leg to stand on.. but its a title designated by majority opinion in the first place. so you lose automatically even if someone agreed with you

[kennethgriffen]

i think kareems the goat nba player. but i'm wrong because more people say MJ and i'm only one man. my opinion holds no more weight than anyone elses even if i think i'm smarter than most people. it doesnt matter.


same with my pick for sugar ray robinson as goat boxer. more people say Ali.. so i have to live with that and just agree to disagree... but for me to say "nope. my opinion counts as the end all be all" is the definition of narcissism



it isnt a total loss... i agree with the masses that babe ruth and gretzky are the goat baseball/hockey players... so in that way i can rejoice. sometimes youre right. sometimes youre wrong.. you need to accept this basic fact of life


unless its an actual competition on an actual playing field then your knowledge of history is entirely meaningless

[Kblaze8855]

Thinking any opinion is changed to fact by being the majority makes it clear we dont think these words mean the same thing....so ill leave you alone on the "What is GOAT" subject and instead go with this...

I isnt that I listen to nobody. I dont listen to people who dont know what they're talking about. An idiot and an expert can both decide Jordan is GOAT. It happens all the time.

That mean I need to really listen to the idiot?

An idiot is an even if he reaches the same conclusion someone with knowledge does.

I dont care what you think about Elgin Baylor. I do care what Bill Russell thinks. I dont agree with where either of you rank him....but I acknowledge that his opinion is based in more information than I have. You know next to nothing. I know a little. He knows a lot. So I will hear him out. I will not hear you out. My opinion may not change....but he knows enough for me to respect his stance and consider his words even in opposition.

I dont need anyone to agree with me for me to find them knowledgeable. But if I dont respect your knowledge of the subject I just dont care what you think. Even if its 6 million idiots saying the same thing. We dont all need to agree. I like intelligent/informed disagreements because I learn a rational opposing view point. I dont get that from people who can do nothing but parrot what someone on ESPN said last week in different words.

[Kblaze8855]

unless its an actual competition on an actual playing field then your knowledge of history is entirely meaningless


The A and T in goat....make knowledge of history fairly important. If you dont know history dont talk about who the best in history is. Its like the people who say Trump/Obama/Bush is the worst president of all time.

If you dont know Andrew Johnson or Warren Hardings resume you need to shut the **** up. If you dont know James Buchanan...you need to shut the **** up. But they dont. Not knowing what youre talking about rarely keeps people quiet.

[kennethgriffen]

The A and T in goat....make knowledge of history fairly important. If you dont know history dont talk about who the best in history is. Its like the people who say Trump/Obama/Bush is the worst president of all time.

If you dont know Andrew Johnson or Warren Hardings resume you need to shut the **** up. If you dont know James Buchanan...you need to shut the **** up. But they dont. Not knowing what youre talking about rarely keeps people quiet.


everyone has a right to an opinion though. and for someone like yourself arguing who the goat is doesnt seem to be a thing worthy of your time when its a majority opinion title to begin with


you shouldnt even pay it any attention


the fact that you yourself is arguing it gives it legitimacy


i personally think some goats are so obvious that you dont even need a lot of knowledge..


like ruth/gretzky/brady

theyre just so far ahead of anyone


you could make an outside argument for barry bonds but he cheated... or bobby orr but thats just a toughness debate and theres no stat for being a tough guy


and for football theres still an outside argument for rice/brown but it was pretty much shut down with this latest superbowl appearance.. it can be ruined if he stays too long or retires and the patriots go right back to the superbowl


nobodies legacy is ever safe going forward.. what if he pulled a lebron and went to the other conference and missed the playoffs


but as for right now i think brady is in that ruth/gretzky stratosphere where there shouldnt even be a discussion

[egokiller]

Everyone thinks most people are idiots till its time to talk about most people agreeing with them.

I dont care what you think. Your opinion means as much to me as dust in the wind. And your opinions you pass off as fact mean even less.

You dont seem to know very much about football. Most people....dont know much about football. Most people know enough to answer a question on best ever with the names they hear on tv.

Most people are to football and basketball what I am to tennis.

I could give you 8-9 names for GOAT with some half assed reasoning that would be fundamentally similar to what someone who did know would give you. I know who has the most grand slams. What surface Nadal is a beast on. I know who got injured young....but I dont know shit about tennis.

I know names and basics.

Most of the people you refer to know no more than that about football or basketball.

You may have heard the name George Blanda. You dont know who he is. The vast majority of people responding to a poll on ESPN dont either. Why would I value their opinion on where he stands...or yours?

People who know what they're talking about can disagree with me with no objection....I respect it.

You? And most people really? I care as much what you think about the two Jacks on Bradshaws steelers as what an earthworm thinks of my shoes.

Here we go again.....:roll:

Yawn...I may have taught you everything YOU know, but I have yet to teach you everything that I know. Anyone can brag about how much they know when they've had the pleasure of reading my posts over the last 3 years. Of course you are going to exponentially increase your intelligence by reading them. Not everyone sees what is posted on ISH and has that luxury, yet you are taking my free gift and using it to put down others? That's not a good look.

You sound like the guy who takes the appliance that I'm throwing out and then brags to his friends about how he just bought a new appliance. Then I step in the room and right in front of everyone ask "why did you take that appliance from my property? It was waiting to be picked by the trash collector".

Suddenly the room goes quiet and that awkward moment comes about. This is no different.

Stop being the guy who thinks he knows more than he does. Kenny is being courteous enough to post on here so that you can actually increase your knowledge and wisdom, and your going on about George Blanda?

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Another one.

[Kblaze8855]

I would have to read that a couple more times to Really get it so I

[egokiller]

Brady can't be GOAT over Rice because the gap between Brady and the 2nd best at his position is much closer than the gap between Rice an the 2nd best at his position. It's not even a debate really...

[Kblaze8855]

I wouldn

[kennethgriffen]

I wouldn’t be outraged over Rice, Brady, Brown Lt, White or a few others as anyone’s pick. My issue is with “Its this way and that’s that. **** those others” posts.


majority opinion rules. we live in a democracy


other opinions matter. they matter as 1 vote each


i think most football fans had it between brady/brown/rice and that was before bradys 9th superbowl appearance and possible 6th title

[Kblaze8855]

Donald Trump is president with less votes than Clinton. Lets cool it on majority rules. It doesnt even rule government much less matters of opinion.

[kennethgriffen]

Donald Trump is president with less votes than Clinton. Lets cool it on majority rules. It doesnt even rule government much less matters of opinion.


there isn't an electoral college voting system for goat football player and you don't have to take time off work or register to give an opinion which turns off most people


and you vote for what a football player has done and not what they'll promise to do


you're failing pretty hard again kblaze. best to end this now


you need to stop with the random correlation tactics

[Kblaze8855]

Yea....comparing a football discussion to our system of government wasnt you using a "correlation tactic" and just not thinking it out before you posted.

Ive been better at you than this for 18 years and ISH members voted me mod around the time of your 5th account banning and constantly report you to ask why you arent banned to this day. If popular opinion makes opinion facts you should have long ago accepted im just better than you and assumed I was always right.

But of course....votes only count when you want them to.

I just dont count them at all because people as a whole are untrustworthy and too lazy to look into the things they still have strong opinions on.

[kennethgriffen]

Yea....comparing a football discussion to our system of government wasnt you using a "correlation tactic" and just not thinking it out before you posted.

Ive been better at you than this for 18 years and ISH members voted me mod around the time of your 5th account banning and constantly report you to ask why you arent banned to this day. If popular opinion makes opinion facts you should have long ago accepted im just better than you and assumed I was always right.

But of course....votes only count when you want them to.

I just dont count them at all because people as a whole are untrustworthy and too lazy to look into the things they still have strong opinions on.


i didn't say its the same as the way the president is voted in


i said we live in a democracy

i.e. we don't live in a dictatorship where one group of people or one person has the only say


our culture in general is about having an equal voice... its like that in every field

your opinion is just as meaningless as mine. we only account for 2 people out of billions


you're giving yourself way too much credit for your "knowledge" on a sport. if you were anywhere near as great as you think you are you would have a show like bruce blitz by now


and even he's worthless... but he's well beyond us

[Kblaze8855]

Remember that having a show makes you knowledgeable the next time Colin cowherd tells you Lebron is the GOAT or Max Kellerman tells you Brady isnt even the best QB still active much less all time.

Your inability to grasp what your points mean in the greater argument is one reason you have never been good at this.

You spend half the time here arguing against yourself without even noticing.

[kennethgriffen]

Remember that having a show makes you knowledgeable the next time Colin cowherd tells you Lebron is the GOAT or Max Kellerman tells you Brady isnt even the best QB still active much less all time.

Your inability to grasp what your points mean in the greater argument is one reason you have never been good at this.

You spend half the time here arguing against yourself without even noticing.


i didn't say that either


i said bruce is just as meaningless. but hes still well beyond us in terms of being respected for his opinion

i didn't say it validates his opinion or makes him right. you're always using "so youre saying" tactics and going off on some other shit putting words in my mouth

this guy exposes people like you lol

https://youtu.be/nS9W-wlJHPA?t=159

[kennethgriffen]

"smash techniques"

"presuppositions"


lol kblaze ...you're a hack. you should work for a liberal tv station. you won't beat me or jordan peterson though

[Kblaze8855]

I dont need to put words in your mouth. You say we live in a democracy...clearly tying this argument on majority rule in sports to government. You realize your example doesnt work then claim you didnt mean it. You say:



you're giving yourself way too much credit for your "knowledge" on a sport. if you were anywhere near as great as you think you are you would have a show like bruce blitz by now


...clearly suggesting that people with knowledge have shows.

You realize that too is foolish...so now you didnt mean what you said.

Your words dont need twisting. Half the shit you say is nonsense that you later pretend you didnt mean. Like tom Brady being finished.

You just spew bullshit and act like it was a joke when youre wrong. Thats just who you are.

Nobody has to spin your words. You get on here and pretend your words dont mean what they mean every day. "I was trying to jinx myself" like just...being wrong isnt obviously what happened.

Your words are less in need of spin than anyone on here. You say exactly what you mean. You just decide later you didnt mean it after all when it doesnt go as planned or your shaky reasoning gets turned against you.

I dont have to "beat" you. You beat you all the time by pretending you didnt mean the words you use when its no longer convenient. Its pretty transparent. Its a cant lose tactic. Either be right...or get made a fool of and pretend youre still right because you wanted to be wrong...or words dont mean what they mean when it makes you look bad.

Youre the easiest person on ISH to win an argument against. Eventually you argue with yourself and dont realize it...or just lie about not meaning anything you said.

[kennethgriffen]

I dont need to put words in your mouth. You say we live in a democracy...clearly tying this argument on majority rule in sports to government. You realize your example doesnt work then claim you didnt mean it. You say:





...clearly suggesting that people with knowledge have shows.

You realize that too is foolish...so now you didnt mean what you said.

Your words dont need twisting. Half the shit you say is nonsense that you later pretend you didnt mean. Like tom Brady being finished.

You just spew bullshit and act like it was a joke when youre wrong. Thats just who you are.

Nobody has to spin your words. You get on here and pretend your words dont mean what they mean every day. "I was trying to jinx myself" like just...being wrong isnt obviously what happened.

Your words are less in need of spin than anyone on here. You say exactly what you mean. You just decide later you didnt mean it after all when it doesnt go as planned or your shaky reasoning gets turned against you.

I dont have to "beat" you. You beat you all the time by pretending you didnt mean the words you use when its no longer convenient. Its pretty transparent. Its a cant lose tactic. Either be right...or get made a fool of and pretend youre still right because you wanted to be wrong...or words dont mean what they mean when it makes you look bad.

Youre the easiest person on ISH to win an argument against. Eventually you argue with yourself and dont realize it...or just lie about not meaning anything you said.

you'll never understand that "the GOAT" is nothing more than an opinion

so majority MUST rule because its all we have to designate a winner


btw you again put words in my mouth by saying i'm tying all of sports and government together

:roll:


no. i'm only talking about one isolated variable and democracy isn't solely a US governmental construct


btw you are the king of smash techniques on here. which is why i only read your first point ( the bold text )

[Kblaze8855]

I'll never understand GOAT is an opinion not a fact when for dozens of posts ive been telling you its an opinion....while you claim my opinion(which I dont think you even know) is wrong and I need to admit it....

As I said...you dont need to be twisted. You talk long enough you argue against yourself.

And I think you mistake thinking lowly of you with thinking highly of me. I think im right...like everyone does. Im just better at explaining why. You?

You are often exceptionally wrong...and bad at explaining it on top of it.

You cant even keep your arguments in line. Youre a bad first quarter in the superbowl from making a topic on Brady being the most overrated athlete in history.

[kennethgriffen]

ah f*ck it. lets address kblazes jumbled smash technique:



You realize your example doesnt work then claim you didnt mean it. You say:

...clearly suggesting that people with knowledge have shows.

never suggested that people with knowledge have shows. i said their opinion is respected more than ours

you're failing ever so hard today kblaze.



You realize that too is foolish...so now you didnt mean what you said.

but i didn't say it... i said:

"if you were anywhere near as great as you think you are you would have a show like bruce blitz by now


and even he's worthless..."

how does greatness directly and only equate to knowledge. and notice i said he's worthless to me... but he is more respected



Your words dont need twisting. Half the shit you say is nonsense that you later pretend you didnt mean. Like tom Brady being finished.


hindsight is 20/20... saying i meant it or didn't mean it is irrelevant and it being nonsense is only knowable after the fact. without his great playoff performance to make the superbowl most would agree he was on the downslope this season and most still would agree he's a shell of himself. hes a big game player still but he relies heavily on hand offs and short passes.




btw the more i read what you actually said all i see is the same thing being said over and over and over. this isn't even a smash technique. its very lazy and overdramatic. i just deleted it and won't respond to more of the same points about my prediction method. even your boss jeff comments in my threads and knows all about my shtick. if the joke is flying over your head then thats on you.

[kennethgriffen]

I'll never understand GOAT is an opinion not a fact when for dozens of posts ive been telling you its an opinion....while you claim my opinion(which I dont think you even know) is wrong and I need to admit it....

As I said...you dont need to be twisted. You talk long enough you argue against yourself.

And I think you mistake thinking lowly of you with thinking highly of me. I think im right...like everyone does. Im just better at explaining why. You?

You are often exceptionally wrong...and bad at explaining it on top of it.

You cant even keep your arguments in line. Youre a bad first quarter in the superbowl from making a topic on Brady being the most overrated athlete in history.



i know exactly what your opinion is. you said football is a total team game and you gave examples of many different guys/different positions which leads me to believe you have no single pick for goat but only an open ended list with many variables

and that opinion in itself is incorrect. because more people agree that there is a goat between these guys

jerry rice
jim brown
tom brady
walter payton
barry sanders
joe montana


99% of the opinions majority wise or highly respected reside with one of these men

and if i had to guess. after a 6th superbowl victory tom brady will claim the highest percentage of opinion

[Kblaze8855]

As I said....wrong...its "shtick". Right...youre just right.

Solid way to pretend you know what youre talking about.

[kennethgriffen]

As I said....wrong...its "shtick". Right...youre just right.

Solid way to pretend you know what youre talking about.

i never know what i'm talking about when it has to do with future predictions

if i did i'd be a millionaire


i do tend to side with the opposite of what i want. its almost like a game to me at this point. and it has worked countless times. i don't necessarily believe i can change the outcome of anything. but i do believe i'm unlucky enough to pick the opposite outcome because i've historically been a "cooler" when gambling at casino's

[Kblaze8855]

He very well might. And hulk hogan, the rock, or stone cold will win an awful lot of GOAT wrestler polls. Ric Flair might win a wrestler poll if you could find everyone alive to ask....who knows. Either way...still wouldnt be a fact.

2+2=4 is a fact.

The rest is just what someone thinks. Even if its a lot of them.

You seem to have a thing with this issue....the beatles thing made it pretty clear when you started claiming record sales decided who was best. I should have known you were just weird then and left you alone.

[kennethgriffen]

He very well might. And hulk hogan, the rock, or stone cold will win an awful lot of GOAT wrestler polls. Ric Flair might win a wrestler poll if you could find everyone alive to ask....who knows. Either way...still wouldnt be a fact.

2+2=4 is a fact.

The rest is just what someone thinks. Even if its a lot of them.

You seem to have a thing with this issue....the beatles thing made it pretty clear when you started claiming record sales decided who was best. I should have known you were just weird then and left you alone.


ric flair is the goat wrestler by majority public opinion


the beatles are the goat band by majority public opinion


i have no problem accepting these as a fact


it doesn't always have to go my way. but for you it seems it does. you have a much harder time dealing with failure

[Kblaze8855]

You can accept all the opinions you want as fact. Facts still dont work that way.

[kennethgriffen]

You can accept all the opinions you want as fact. Facts still dont work that way.


you made that same mistake again. you just said "the goat" title is "a fact" in itself or based on a collection of "facts"


the goat is a collective majority opinion. thats the only way to classify the term. its the only way to judge it

there is no other way since nobody plays everyone else throughout history. theres too many uneven variables to use a scientific formula designated by someone as yourself

and even if there was you wouldn't be the person to designate it




this is sort of like a debate on marriage between g@ys and lesbians. its the reclassification of the term people are annoyed with. not the actual joining of 2 g@y people

[kennethgriffen]

watch now.. kblaze will compare apples to oranges and use a comparison to something totally different to try and prove i'm wrong

i'm thinking something like "well you said the beatles were the goat band because of #1's"

to which i'll reply... "thats just one of many reasons "I" believe they are and yes some facts are used to help decide who someone thinks the goat is but not all facts are weighed the same by everyone. so it truly does come down to opinion separate from facts"


its just a big circle because kblaze is too stubborn to forfeit. he can't accept failure


:lol


i'll do him a favor and just ignore his next post

[Kblaze8855]

You really just link me to a youtube video on made up arguments then come in here and tell me I said something you made up? You really dont get why I said if you talk long enough you argue with yourself?

[kennethgriffen]

You really just link me to a youtube video on made up arguments then come in here and tell me I said something you made up? You really dont get why I said if you talk long enough you argue with yourself?


it takes 2 to do what i do


i'm not simon

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[egokiller]

You can accept all the opinions you want as fact. Facts still dont work that way.

Majority opinion isn't fact. The topic being discussed however doesn't rely on fact, it relies on majority opinion.

[Kblaze8855]

I see this has run its course so ill ask you an unrelated question....


https://www.yardhouse.com/menu-listing/eat

or


http://otto-izakaya.com/


For a dinner im having tomorrow.

With a woman ive never gone out with...but im really not that into.

With no more information that that pick a place. I will take your opinion into consideration.

[kennethgriffen]

Majority opinion isn't fact. The topic being discussed however doesn't rely on fact, it relies on majority opinion.


he doesn't get it. he thinks we're talking about something that has actual structure and isn't just an idea in itself

:lol

[kennethgriffen]

I see this has run its course so ill ask you an unrelated question....


https://www.yardhouse.com/menu-listing/eat

or


http://otto-izakaya.com/


For a dinner im having tomorrow.

With a woman ive never gone out with...but im really not that into.

With no more information that that pick a place. I will take your opinion into consideration.


if you're not that into her then it really shouldn't matter


i only worry about choice of food if i'm planning on being intimate


then i fill up on something safe prior to the date like subway footlong coldcut. never irritated me. doesn't give me bad breath. get full enough to not need anything for the rest of the night. don't wake up needing to take a mega ton shit because its a slow digesting meal


personally i'd go with sushi if shes into it. then you can gauge how interested she is in you by how much she eats since its unlimited. if she likes sushi and still doesn't eat much then she's down.

but like you said it doesn't matter anyway so in that case just go with whatever suits your palate

[Kblaze8855]

Im sure she sees it as a full fledged date...im just kinda...needing something to do. Im on vacation for 6 days. Ho brought me gifts from her trip to south america. All inds of foreign chocolates and some hand made things I bet cost 12 cents american. Asked what she got in return. Im always down to eat somewhere ive not been.

I feel like the sushi place might make a good conversation more likely...but im not hopeful either way.

Theres really only one female in my life id even care about past a quick night and shes got 3 jobs AND is in school....and I will not knock anyone hustle or be a hindrance to anyone making money. So im not even really seeing her often.

Im shocked im even dragging myself out the house tomorrow. Less and less women impress me as I get older. I cant be entertained by a dumb attractive woman anymore.

[kennethgriffen]

Im sure she sees it as a full fledged date...im just kinda...needing something to do. Im on vacation for 6 days. Ho brought me gifts from her trip to south america. All inds of foreign chocolates and some hand made things I bet cost 12 cents american. Asked what she got in return. Im always down to eat somewhere ive not been.

I feel like the sushi place might make a good conversation more likely...but im not hopeful either way.

Theres really only one female in my life id even care about past a quick night and shes got 3 jobs AND is in school....and I will not knock anyone hustle or be a hindrance to anyone making money. So im not even really seeing her often.

Im shocked im even dragging myself out the house tomorrow. Less and less women impress me as I get older. I cant be entertained by a dumb attractive woman anymore.

the problem isn't the women. the problem is your own personal motivation. you're not raising the difficulty level and are bored of beating the same game time and time again

what you need to realize is that getting a woman in bed is not the end of the game. the true alpha dog end boss is being able to lock up a chick and make impressed to the point where they brag to their friends about you.


which brings us back to your fear of failure. you set the sliders so low because its a sure thing. when you try activating the feeling settings you risk failure. so you shut off that part of the game


once your need of approval is satisfied by taking her out and knowing for sure shes into you and wants more. thats when you'l almost feel justified tossing her aside possibly without even engaging in sexual intercourse



i know this because tyler knows this


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[ShawkFactory]

I see this has run its course so ill ask you an unrelated question....


https://www.yardhouse.com/menu-listing/eat

or


http://otto-izakaya.com/


For a dinner im having tomorrow.

With a woman ive never gone out with...but im really not that into.

With no more information that that pick a place. I will take your opinion into consideration.
Yardhouse is over-priced for the quality of food they give you. I went with my GF before a movie one time and we both got sandwiches and a couple beers and I ended up spending over $70.

The vibe is cool though and if you aren't that in to the girl there are TVs to look at if need be.

Don't typically get that at most sushi places.

[Kblaze8855]

Your first two paragraphs hit home. Mostly because they used to be true but ive moved on and still didnt really get to a happy place.

I spent years taking advantage of just being able to pull women I couldnt before I realized the problem was thinking it was difficult to begin with. When youre young you have a pretty girl on a pedestal...then you learn better. You spend a while ****ing girls you didnt think you could in the past....and then you want better.

But better for me is hard to define. You can find pretty girls everywhere. But id always end up in a situation where I could tell im impressing them with material things or new experiences. That got to be easy. and I realized the issue was I was used to poor women.

As Pusha T said...a half a mil in 20s like a billion where im from. They consider someone with a pretty nice car and "dress" shoes to be paid. I am an absolute hoodrat magnet going through my old spots. So its nothing to get someone who brags about me to her friends. But I dont care for that now.

I made a decision...I wanted a woman I couldnt impress with a nice meal. I didnt word it this way but what I really wanted was a woman doing better than me. I can find a nurse who makes 50 bucks an hour but I mean like.....a radiologist. A lawyer with potential. A business owner with some of her own shit going on. Sliiiiiiiiim pickings.

One reason I keep hope alive with the 3 job/going for her masters girl.

Im sick of women I can have blown away by a nice blanket for a gift and a sushi dinner....but thats who gravitates to me. It never occurred to me till I had money(as they see it) that I wouldnt want the women I could impress with it.

And now...I dont know where the women I want even are. How many cute women you know making 100K and not locked up already? I suspect you may know more than me with our different backgrounds but...still.

Its almost like looking for unicorns out here. So I dont really look at all. I stumble over easily impressed young girls who annoy me mostly.

MY ego is pretty well fed just by having so many of them as an option...even though I usually know in advance im not gonna ****...because I dont need 22 year olds with feelings and hopes.

I think women think...im trying to attract them. Im really just dressed nicely because its my style and I talk to hot women the same way id talk to an ugly man. I just talk to people. Im comfortable around everyone...and I think it makes women feel like im flirting.

Really?

I dont wanna **** like 95% of the attractive women I come across. I just dont know where women with some game are....who arent married.

[AirBonner]

Your first two paragraphs hit home. Mostly because they used to be true but ive moved on and still didnt really get to a happy place.

I spent years taking advantage of just being able to pull women I couldnt before I realized the problem was thinking it was difficult to begin with. When youre young you have a pretty girl on a pedestal...then you learn better. You spend a while ****ing girls you didnt think you could in the past....and then you want better.

But better for me is hard to define. You can find pretty girls everywhere. But id always end up in a situation where I could tell im impressing them with material things or new experiences. That got to be easy. and I realized the issue was I was used to poor women.

As Pusha T said...a half a mil in 20s like a billion where im from. They consider someone with a pretty nice car and "dress" shoes to be paid. I am an absolute hoodrat magnet going through my old spots. So its nothing to get someone who brags about me to her friends. But I dont care for that now.

I made a decision...I wanted a woman I couldnt impress with a nice meal. I didnt word it this way but what I really wanted was a woman doing better than me. I can find a nurse who makes 50 bucks an hour but I mean like.....a radiologist. A lawyer with potential. A business owner with some of her own shit going on. Sliiiiiiiiim pickings.

One reason I keep hope alive with the 3 job/going for her masters girl.

Im sick of women I can have blown away by a nice blanket for a gift and a sushi dinner....but thats who gravitates to me. It never occurred to me till I had money(as they see it) that I wouldnt want the women I could impress with it.

And now...I dont know where the women I want even are. How many cute women you know making 100K and not locked up already? I suspect you may know more than me with our different backgrounds but...still.

Its almost like looking for unicorns out here. So I dont really look at all. I stumble over easily impressed young girls who annoy me mostly.

MY ego is pretty well fed just by having so many of them as an option...even though I usually know in advance im not gonna ****...because I dont need 22 year olds with feelings and hopes.

I think women think...im trying to attract them. Im really just dressed nicely because its my style and I talk to hot women the same way id talk to an ugly man. I just talk to people. Im comfortable around everyone...and I think it makes women feel like im flirting.

Really?

I dont wanna **** like 95% of the attractive women I come across. I just dont know where women with some game are....who arent married.
Career women don't make good wives

[Kblaze8855]

I

[Ben Simmons 25]

Career women don't make good wives

Nor good moms.

There is literally no way to work a full time job and give your child as much attention and development as you otherwise could.

Can it be done in the sense that people do it? Yeah. Of course. It's happening everywhere all the time.

But the child would have been even better off if they were focused on raising it than devoting 40+ hours a week to something else.

Even if the child turns out amazing, they're still going to be less than they would have been because both parents were putting in 40+ hours a week on something else.

[Ben Simmons 25]

That game was basically a freebie but he still got the game winning drive... 6...

[TheImmortal]

Your first two paragraphs hit home. Mostly because they used to be true but ive moved on and still didnt really get to a happy place.

I spent years taking advantage of just being able to pull women I couldnt before I realized the problem was thinking it was difficult to begin with. When youre young you have a pretty girl on a pedestal...then you learn better. You spend a while ****ing girls you didnt think you could in the past....and then you want better.

But better for me is hard to define. You can find pretty girls everywhere. But id always end up in a situation where I could tell im impressing them with material things or new experiences. That got to be easy. and I realized the issue was I was used to poor women.

As Pusha T said...a half a mil in 20s like a billion where im from. They consider someone with a pretty nice car and "dress" shoes to be paid. I am an absolute hoodrat magnet going through my old spots. So its nothing to get someone who brags about me to her friends. But I dont care for that now.

I made a decision...I wanted a woman I couldnt impress with a nice meal. I didnt word it this way but what I really wanted was a woman doing better than me. I can find a nurse who makes 50 bucks an hour but I mean like.....a radiologist. A lawyer with potential. A business owner with some of her own shit going on. Sliiiiiiiiim pickings.

One reason I keep hope alive with the 3 job/going for her masters girl.

Im sick of women I can have blown away by a nice blanket for a gift and a sushi dinner....but thats who gravitates to me. It never occurred to me till I had money(as they see it) that I wouldnt want the women I could impress with it.

And now...I dont know where the women I want even are. How many cute women you know making 100K and not locked up already? I suspect you may know more than me with our different backgrounds but...still.

Its almost like looking for unicorns out here. So I dont really look at all. I stumble over easily impressed young girls who annoy me mostly.

MY ego is pretty well fed just by having so many of them as an option...even though I usually know in advance im not gonna ****...because I dont need 22 year olds with feelings and hopes.

I think women think...im trying to attract them. Im really just dressed nicely because its my style and I talk to hot women the same way id talk to an ugly man. I just talk to people. Im comfortable around everyone...and I think it makes women feel like im flirting.

Really?

I dont wanna **** like 95% of the attractive women I come across. I just dont know where women with some game are....who arent married. Sorry to interject but this is highly unusual/suspect behavior. With all due respect.

[kennethgriffen]

Sorry to interject but this is highly unusual/suspect behavior. With all due respect.


he probly committed suicide tonight... LT is no longer arguable goat. his nightmare is now a reality

tom brady is inarguable goat

you could cut his career in half and hes arguable goat FFS

[dude77]

and tom brady is STILL NOT DONE .. wrap that around your head .. he's not done .. you know they're getting back here .. they have the entire league SHOOK

[Ben Simmons 25]

and tom brady is STILL NOT DONE .. wrap that around your head .. he's not done .. you know they're getting back here .. they have the entire league SHOOK

I'm not so sure... he looked extremely mortal tonight after a mostly brilliant 4th quarter in the conference championship game...

I don't think any titles won from hereon out will have much of anything to do with him...

He's not going to stay as good as he has been until 45. He's just about done. That's not a knock. That's just stone cold reality.

[dude77]

I'm not so sure... he looked extremely mortal tonight after a mostly brilliant 4th quarter in the conference championship game...

I don't think any titles won from hereon out will have much of anything to do with him...

He's not going to stay as good as he has been until 45. He's just about done. That's not a knock. That's just stone cold reality.


lol what no .. 21/35 265 .. he can still move the ball .. he'll still get his td passes .. just had one of those tough games

[dude77]

:applause: we need an updated version .. get to it tom

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[Smoke117]

Imagine being the the GOAT at throwing a meatloaf. Being the greatest at football is like being the greatest on ish. Total useless fukking accolade.

[Prometheus]

Blaze that is honestly some depressing shit.

I feel almost as sorry for you as I do for men who struggle to attract women at all. You're so lonely and it seems like you don't even realize it.

[Prometheus]

Imagine being the the GOAT at throwing a meatloaf. Being the greatest at football is like being the greatest on ish. Total useless fukking accolade.

Why don't you like football?

[DidUSaySomethin]

lol what no .. 21/35 265 .. he can still move the ball .. he'll still get his td passes .. just had one of those tough games

tough games? :oldlol: jamarcus russell would've won as the pats starting qb

[dude77]

tough games? :oldlol: jamarcus russell would've won as the pats starting qb


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jamarcus would be sitting at home watching the game on tv with the rest of the patriots if he was their qb .. you can say many qbs could've won this game .. but the problem is getting to this game .. and none of those did it except brady

[dude77]

this is why brady and belichick aren't going anywhere .. still got some history to make .. one more™


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[dude77]

:lol

https://twitter.com/i/status/1092355890907365376



41 yr old brady out here trolling 20something pros, owning their asses and winning chips like he's having breakfast .. what a time

[dude77]

:lol


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[DidUSaySomethin]

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jamarcus would be sitting at home watching the game on tv with the rest of the patriots if he was their qb .. you can say many qbs could've won this game .. but the problem is getting to this game .. and none of those did it except brady

that's my point. brady is the most successful QB because he plays for the best defensive coach of all time (as well as the greatest OL coach and a top 5 OC)

[72-10]

I had previously thought that the GOAT football player would have to be a running back, and therefore, based on what I know, found it relatively easy to narrow down to Walter Payton.