A few basketball accomplishments that only MJ has

[3ball]

- only player with 4+ fmvp (he has 6)
- only player at 30/5/5 for regular season... And playoffs... and Finals
- all-time leader in PPG, including a 4-point margin in playoffs
- 10 scoring titles (record)
- only player to win scoring title & dpoy in same season (88').. he also won MVP that yr
- only perimeter player to win scoring title and title in same season (6 times)
- all-time playoff records for single game pts, series ppg, and Finals ppg
- #1 all-time championship frequency since the 3-point line began (6 in 15 yrs.. 40.0%)
- only MVP to win 70+ and the championship
- only player to sweep all 3 MVP's, scoring title, 1st team all-D, and ring in same season
- only player that is top 2 in career PER, VORP, BPM, WS/48 for regular season and playoffs
- highest frequency of combined 1st team all-nba and 1st team all-defense - 19 selections in 10 seasons
- only HOF that was never outscored by a teammate in a playoff series (MJ led team by average margin of 15.4 ppg over 2nd option)
- Best winning stats ever - 33.7 ppg and 6.6 apg in 91-93' PO (27.2 and 7.2 for lebron in 12/13/16' PO)
- Best losing stats ever - 44 ppg against champion 86' celtics and their #1 defense, and 40 ppg combined versus 86' and 87' celts

[iamgine]

1-9? Who else has this?

[Duncan21formvp]

- only player with 4+ fmvp (he has 6)
- only player at 30/5/5 for regular season... And playoffs... and Finals
- all-time leader in PPG, including a 4-point margin in playoffs
- 10 scoring titles (record)
- only player to win scoring title and dpoy in same season (88').. he also won MVP that year
- only perimeter player to win scoring title and title in same season (6 times)
- all-time playoff records for single game pts, series ppg, and Finals ppg
- #1 all-time championship frequency since the 3-point line began (6 in 15 yrs.. 40.0%)
- only MVP to win 70+ and the championship
- only player to sweep all 3 MVP's, scoring title, 1st team all-defense, and the ring in same season
- only player that is top 2 in PER, VORP, BPM, WS/48 for RS and PO
- highest frequency of 1st team all-nba (10 straight) and 1st team all-defense (9 straight)
- Best winning stats ever - 33.7 ppg and 6.6 apg in 91-93' PO (27.2 and 7.2 for lebron in 12/13/16' PO)
- Best losing stats ever - 44 ppg against champion 86' celtics and their #1 defense, and 40 ppg combined versus 86' and 87' celts
You mean as far as him winning all 3 correct?

[Duncan21formvp]

1-9? Who else has this?
Lebron James was worse he was 0-8 and he actually had guys who made the allstar game on his teams.

[3ball]

You mean as far as him winning all 3 correct?
Yes, along with scoring title and 1st team all-D.. and the ring

[3ball]

1-9? Who else has this?
Your biggest knock on MJ's career is that he lost the 8 vs. 1 matchup twice, the worst odds in sports, while averaging 36/6/7 with 2.5 spg and 1.5 bpg?

Okay.. :applause: ... So you think he's goat then..

[iamgine]

I thought we're talking accomplishment only MJ has.

Who else has 1-9?

[imdaman99]

What about quitting in your prime after 3peating? How about trying to win another? :facepalm

[SouBeachTalents]

What about quitting in your prime after 3peating? How about trying to win another? :facepalm
Then seeing that team still win 55 games without you

[Duncan21formvp]

Then seeing that team still win 55 games without you
Or losing in round 2 vs winning it all.

[3ball]

I thought we're talking accomplishment only MJ has.

Who else has 1-9?
Only MJ was an 8 seed... And twice

I forgot to add that to the OP

So MJ had to build a worse playoff team than every other great that he's compared to - lebron, bird, magic, curry, kobe, etc, all entered the playoffs as higher seeds..

lebron has infact never had below a 4 seed (yet his teams often get best worse than many 8 seeds.. :oldlol: )

[RRR3]

Only MJ was an 8 seed... And twice

I forgot to add that to the OP

So MJ had to build a worse playoff team than every other great that he's compared to - lebron, bird, magic, curry, kobe, etc, all entered the playoffs as higher seeds..

lebron has infact never had below a 4 seed (yet his teams often get best worse than many 8 seeds.. :oldlol: )
LeBron led an absolute trash supporting cast to 66 wins :oldlol:

Give MJ the 09 Cavs and he struggles to make the playoffs

[And1AllDay]

1-9? Who else has this?

He is leading in 1st round exits among top 10 players too

Nice work ordan :applause:

[And1AllDay]

LeBron led an absolute trash supporting cast to 66 wins :oldlol:

Give MJ the 09 Cavs and he struggles to make the playoffs

YEP, We seen that already. 1-9 with 3x first round exits :oldlol:

[iamgine]

Have we confirmed only MJ had 1-9 accomplishment?

[And1AllDay]

Your biggest knock on MJ's career is that he lost the 8 vs. 1 matchup twice, the worst odds in sports, while averaging 36/6/7 with 2.5 spg and 1.5 bpg?

Okay.. :applause: ... So you think he's goat then..

Or...Maybe get a better seed? :oldlol: Jesus man

[bigkingsfan]

Or losing in round 2 vs winning it all.
They lost in the 2nd round when he came back. :oldlol:

[3ball]

LeBron led an absolute trash supporting cast to 66 wins :oldlol:

Give MJ the 09 Cavs and he struggles to make the playoffs
So why didn't the Cavs win 66 the previous year in 2008, when they barely won 45, or 21 games less?

[SouBeachTalents]

They lost in the 2nd round when he came back. :oldlol:
In fewer games too :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

So why didn't the Cavs win 66 the previous year in 2008, when they barely won 45, or 21 games less?

Your jumping around. Stop it. Jordan had scrub teams and went 1-9 with 3x 1st round exits while Bron was making the playoffs and NEVER lost in the 1st round.

Accept that, let it sink in. No Pip, no chip.

[Akrazotile]

All time leader in parents slain by gambling creditors.


****ING FIGHT ME.

[3ball]

Or...Maybe get a better seed? :oldlol: Jesus man


That would've required peak Wilt numbers..

Jordan's 37/5/5 won 42 games, while lebron won 66 with only 28/8/7

So lebron's better cast made up the big gap.

And Lebron himself achieved the 9 seed in 2005 with 27/7/7 and also the Eastern Conference all-star center on his team - so that's pretty bad.... And surely if he got the 8 seed instead, he gets swept by the champion Pistons just like the Spurs did to his 2 seed in 07'... :oldlol:

Which brings up the point - lebron gets swept with 2 seed, (07'), 4 seed (18'), and record loss with 1 seed (14'), but ur knocking MJ for losing with the 8 seed... :biggums:
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[Gus Hemmingway]

yeah he's got the glooming 1-9 one

[3ball]

yeah he's got the glooming 1-9 one
MJ's sweeps as the 8 seed are better than lebron's sweeps as the 2 seed, (07'), 4 seed (18'), and record loss with 1 seed (14')

in b4... "B-b-but it's not better to lose in an earlier round!!!!"

Going further isn't the issue because MJ went further than lebron - he was 6/6 as 1 and 2 seeds, while lebron lost 3 times with the 1 seed (09-11'), swept with a 2 seed (07'), and had record loss as a 1 seed (14')

So ur cherry-picking when you compare lebron's high seeds to MJ's low seeds - mj had many seasons as high seeds too, and went further than lebron with them

[TheCorporation]

That would've required peak Wilt numbers..

Jordan's 37/5/5 won 42 games, while lebron won 66 with only 28/8/7

So lebron's better cast made up the big gap.

And Lebron himself achieved the 9 seed in 2005 with 27/7/7 and also the Eastern Conference all-star center on his team - so that's pretty bad.... And surely if he got the 8 seed instead, he gets swept by the champion Pistons just like the Spurs did to his 2 seed in 07'... :oldlol:

Which brings up the point - lebron gets swept with 2 seed, (07'), 4 seed (18'), and record loss with 1 seed (14'), but ur knocking MJ for losing with the 8 seed... :biggums:
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So Jordan is basically Westbrook. Hmm, alrighty then.

[SouBeachTalents]

MJ's sweeps as the 8 seed are better than lebron's sweeps as the 2 seed, (07'), 4 seed (18'), and record loss with 1 seed (14')

in b4... "B-b-but it's not better to lose in an earlier round!!!!"

Going further isn't the issue because MJ went further with his high seeds than lebron - he was 6/6 as 1 and 2 seeds, while lebron was upset 3 times with the 1 seed (09-11'), swept with a 2 seed (07'), and had record loss as a 1 seed (14')

So ur cherry-picking when you compare lebron's high seeds to MJ's low seeds -j had many seasons as high seeds too, and went further than lebron with them
Miami wasn't the 1 seed in 2011 or '14

[3ball]

Miami wasn't the 1 seed in 2011 or '14
You guys like to compare lebron's high seeds to MJ's 8 seeds, and then say "see, lebron went further, 1-9"

But Lebron never had below a 4 seed in the playoffs, and MJ went much further anytime he had a 4 seed or better - MJ never lost with 1 and 2 seeds... 6/6.... Whereas lebron lost twice with 1 seeds (09 and 10'), and also had goat upset with 2 seed (11'), record loss with 2 seed (14'), and another sweep with a 2 seed (07')... Whew... :facepalm

Btw, although lebron never had a low seed in the playoffs, he did have a 9 seed in 2005 with 27/7/7 and also the Eastern Conference all-star center on his team - so that's pretty bad.... And surely if he got the 8 seed instead, he gets swept by the champion Pistons just like the Spurs did to his 2 seed in 07'...

[SpaceJam]

Only top 10 player to make the playoffs with a disgustingly trash 30-52 record

[Uncle Drew]

Only top 10 player to make the playoffs with a disgustingly trash 30-52 record
Are we sure he's a top 10 player though?

[TheCorporation]

Only top 10 player to make the playoffs with a disgustingly trash 30-52 record

Don't forget that Jordan leads all top 10 players with most 1st round exits, too :bowdown:

[SpaceJam]

Are we sure he's a top 10 player though?

Borderline, gave him the benefit of the doubt

[Gileraracer]

Meanwhile Lebron be like

"only player to average 35 while getting swept"
"only player to fill the statsheet while getting anihilated"
"only player to give up on D while collecting uncontested defensive rebounds and getting absolutely shat on"
"only player to shamelessly collude multiple times and still getting abused in the finals again and again"

[Uncle Drew]

Borderline, gave him the benefit of the doubt
Fair enough. For discussion sake I'm willing to let it go.

[sportjames23]

- only player with 4+ fmvp (he has 6)
- only player at 30/5/5 for regular season... And playoffs... and Finals
- all-time leader in PPG, including a 4-point margin in playoffs
- 10 scoring titles (record)
- only player to win scoring title & dpoy in same season (88').. he also won MVP that yr
- only perimeter player to win scoring title and title in same season (6 times)
- all-time playoff records for single game pts, series ppg, and Finals ppg
- #1 all-time championship frequency since the 3-point line began (6 in 15 yrs.. 40.0%)
- only MVP to win 70+ and the championship
- only player to sweep all 3 MVP's, scoring title, 1st team all-D, and ring in same season
- only player that is top 2 in career PER, VORP, BPM, WS/48 for regular season and playoffs
- highest frequency of combined 1st team all-nba and 1st team all-defense - 19 selections in 10 seasons
- only HOF that was never outscored by a teammate in a playoff series (MJ led team by average margin of 15.4 ppg over 2nd option)
- Best winning stats ever - 33.7 ppg and 6.6 apg in 91-93' PO (27.2 and 7.2 for lebron in 12/13/16' PO)
- Best losing stats ever - 44 ppg against champion 86' celtics and their #1 defense, and 40 ppg combined versus 86' and 87' celts

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[3ball]

MJ never lost as the 1 or 2 seed, and was only swept as the 8 seed

Lebron lost 6 times as the 1 or 2 seed and was swept as the 2 seed and 4 seed (with a record loss as another 2 seed)

[TheCorporation]

Meanwhile Lebron be like

"only player to average 35 while getting swept"
"only player to fill the statsheet while getting anihilated"
"only player to give up on D while collecting uncontested defensive rebounds and getting absolutely shat on"
"only player to shamelessly collude multiple times and still getting abused in the finals again and again"

1-9

[Round Mound]

[B]3-ball everyone knows that MJ is the best player of the modern NBA why keep on pointing out his achievements and accolades? :confusedshrug: You also don

[DaHeezy]

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]3-ball everyone knows that MJ is the best player of the modern NBA why keep on pointing out his achievements and accolades? :confusedshrug: You also don

[RRR3]

Don't take this away from him. People with OCD that have rituals taken away are prone to suicide

Wait, is that a good or bad thing?
As someone who actually has OCD, **** you.

Read up on OCD.

[egokiller]

Over 15 years of watching since MJ retired and these wannabe's can't even get 4 FMVP's, let alone 6.

What a mediocre viewing experience it has been since MJ left the building. :(

Wake me up when there's something to watch other than mediocrity. :sleeping

[bullettooth]

As someone who actually has OCD, **** you.

Read up on OCD.

I'm offended by the level of retard from LeBron fanboys.

Read up on being mentally challenged.

[RRR3]

I'm offended by the level of retard from LeBron fanboys.

Read up on being mentally challenged.
If someone wants to learn what being mentally challenged looks like, they should just read your posts.

[egokiller]

I'm offended by the level of retard from LeBron fanboys.

Read up on being mentally challenged.

MJ could have won 8 rings and 8 FMVPs and these mentally challenged lefail stans would still try to equate 8 finals appearances in a row as being the same as 8 finals wins in a row. :oldlol:

[bullettooth]

MJ could have won 8 rings and 8 FMVPs and these mentally challenged lefail stans would still try to equate 8 finals appearances in a row as being the same as 8 finals wins in a row. :oldlol:

How do these retards get through in life being this stupid? Government support? Mom's basement? Something else?

I have OCD, really need to figure this one out.... they're living in my head... RENT FREE! OH NO!!!!!

[RRR3]

How do these retards get through in life being this stupid? Government support? Mom's basement? Something else?

I have OCD, really need to figure this one out.... they're living in my head... RENT FREE! OH NO!!!!!
Cringe.

[egokiller]

How do these retards get through in life being this stupid? Government support? Mom's basement? Something else?

I have OCD, really need to figure this one out.... they're living in my head... RENT FREE! OH NO!!!!!

They don't. Their families take care of them while they play video games, watch TV, and go on the internet all day. I mean, it's pretty clear that 6 finals losses is the same as 6 finals wins in their mind.

[3ball]

2 additions:

- only top 10 player to never lose as the 1 or 2 seed (i.e. kareem lost 9 times, magic/lebron/bird 6 each).. MJ was 6-0

- only MJ/Kobe won multiple rings with only 1 all-star teammate or HOF, except Shaq (who had Kobe), and Hakeem (when MJ was out of league)

[Shaquille O'Neal]

3ball - As a 45 year old that watched Mike's career from about 1988 onward in its entirety - he doesn't need defended or explained.
He's head and shoulders the GOAT.
30PPG career with 50% shooting and 6/6 with 6 FMVP and 10 scoring titles is widely known and all that needs to be said.


Like someone else said - wake me up when someone else gets their 4th FMVP, let alone 5 and 6. The league is boring since Mike left. Seriously.

[bigkingsfan]

Losing to the same team three consecutive years, with worse stats vs regular season every time.

[sportjames23]

- only player with 4+ fmvp (he has 6)
- only player at 30/5/5 for regular season... And playoffs... and Finals
- all-time leader in PPG, including a 4-point margin in playoffs
- 10 scoring titles (record)
- only player to win scoring title & dpoy in same season (88').. he also won MVP that yr
- only perimeter player to win scoring title and title in same season (6 times)
- all-time playoff records for single game pts, series ppg, and Finals ppg
- #1 all-time championship frequency since the 3-point line began (6 in 15 yrs.. 40.0%)
- only MVP to win 70+ and the championship
- only player to sweep all 3 MVP's, scoring title, 1st team all-D, and ring in same season
- only player that is top 2 in career PER, VORP, BPM, WS/48 for regular season and playoffs
- highest frequency of combined 1st team all-nba and 1st team all-defense - 19 selections in 10 seasons
- only HOF that was never outscored by a teammate in a playoff series (MJ led team by average margin of 15.4 ppg over 2nd option)
- Best winning stats ever - 33.7 ppg and 6.6 apg in 91-93' PO (27.2 and 7.2 for lebron in 12/13/16' PO)
- Best losing stats ever - 44 ppg against champion 86' celtics and their #1 defense, and 40 ppg combined versus 86' and 87' celts

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