Is a nearly imminent paradigm shift required for humanity

[Ben Simmons 25]

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[Skip_Bayless]

I wouldn't be concerned about it. Focus on bettering yourself instead of expending unnecessary energy trying to save the world.

[Norcaliblunt]

Amazon is communism.

[warriorfan]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

[Kblaze8855]

The jobs machines could take still require people. In a world machines did everything someone still has to design them. And build them. And build the machines that build other machines. Too many things require a human touch. And too many things that dont NEED humans still benefit from them. A chick fila robot might be able to make and deliver food....but it wouldnt have the customer service. Some things just dont work as a vending machine.

[Long Duck Dong]

The world certainly doesn't need 8 billion humans and especially doesn't need those of inferior intelligence and/or values/cultures that don't promote peace, community and effort against conflict, breeding more humans.

I imagine it will be mandatory to genetically discard inferior traits in human offspring in the near future anyway

[Ben Simmons 25]

The jobs machines could take still require people. In a world machines did everything someone still has to design them. And build them. And build the machines that build other machines. Too many things require a human touch. And too many things that dont NEED humans still benefit from them. A chick fila robot might be able to make and deliver food....but it wouldnt have the customer service. Some things just dont work as a vending machine.

These statements are true for now but if you fast forward 50 years they won’t be. AI will undoubtedly surpass us intellectually and when you couple that with physical manifestations via robots... the growth is exponential... if you haven’t noticed by now.

I would already rather have a robot make and deliver my food than a human at chick fil a. They are going to do everything far more quickly and far more accurately once they are developed enough in a far more sanitary fashion.

In any event, I’m not looking to argue with you as to whether or not it’s going to happen. It’s going to happen.

I’m more interested in discussing what human roles will be in day to day life and how we can possibly carry on with the same philosophical approach to life we always have which is that working = food.

There won’t be enough jobs to employ an ever increasing human population. That’s just flat out false.

So what does life look like for the unemployable? Does humanity radically shift our approach to everyday life to continue on increasing in numbers or do we just simply drastically reduce the population to reach an equilibrium with robots? There are going to be literally billions of unemployable people. That’s not an opinion. It’s a factual certainty.

[Norcaliblunt]

Resource Based Economy. Look it up. Technocratic communism brought to us through the power of either anarcho capitalism or socialism. Probably both. Could be utopia or dystopia depending on how you want to look at it.

We already allocate intellectual property and information abundantly to the masses pretty much for free in an almost anarcho communistic way. Just wait until we can do that with actual physical resources.

[egokiller]

I once tried to get scammed out of $500 but then had a paradigm shift that prevented me from doing so. :applause:

[Prometheus]

It has been eighty years since there was any military aggression berween first world nations. This major peace will not last much longer.

There will be immense warfare on this planet soon. The blood of many millions will be shed.

[bladefd]

I don't think you have to worry about AI replacing us. Why? Because at some point, I expect humans and AI to intersect into a single being. That's the existence we are building towards.

Whatever being you get from that will be our next evolutionary lineage. Natural selection is essentially being replaced with our ability to dictate our own evolution on our terms and ultimately play god.

Natural selection, naturally, takes place over thousands and hundreds of thousands of generations. Today we have the power to dictate it over just a few generations - we can even alter our DNA so we control our biology. We have taken over the reins, and we are speeding it up each generation. We now control our own evolution (hence playing god).

That will be and is already becoming our new approach to life since the dawn of the information age, mainly the addition of computers. We already have implant chips and handheld computers at our fingertips (smartphones), and I expect the two to become one (think of google glasses except directly implanted into our bodies). I have zero doubt we are heading towards the age of cyborgs. That's our future.

[DJMcDonald]

I watched the Rogan/Musk podcast too.

[Akrazotile]

I don't think you have to worry about AI replacing us. Why? Because at some point, I expect humans and AI to intersect into a single being. That's the existence we are building towards.

Whatever being you get from that will be our next evolutionary lineage. Natural selection is essentially being replaced with our ability to dictate our own evolution on our terms and ultimately play god.

Natural selection, naturally, takes place over thousands and hundreds of thousands of generations. Today we have the power to dictate it over just a few generations - we can even alter our DNA so we control our biology. We have taken over the reins, and we are speeding it up each generation. We now control our own evolution (hence playing god).

That will be and is already becoming our new approach to life since the dawn of the information age, mainly the addition of computers. We already have implant chips and handheld computers at our fingertips (smartphones), and I expect the two to become one (think of google glasses except directly implanted into our bodies). I have zero doubt we are heading towards the age of cyborgs. That's our future.


I actually agree with all of this :biggums:

[bladefd]

I actually agree with all of this :biggums:

About time we agree on something :cheers:

[Akrazotile]

About time we agree on something :cheers:


Maybe THIS is the paradigm shift :lebronamazed:

[DaHeezy]

I don't think advanced machines are making us obsolete. I think they are making us dumber. Our paradigm shift is a shift to idiocracy. We get machines to do our jobs, we resort to doing mindless things on our machines

We are intentionally rotting our brains

[scuzzy]

I don't think advanced machines are making us obsolete. I think they are making us dumber. Our paradigm shift is a shift to idiocracy. We get machines to do our jobs, we resort to doing mindless things on our machines

We are intentionally rotting our brains
Don't fight singularity, autonomy is a great thing, technology progression is a great thing


We will be very lucky in our lifetime that will have the choice to become gods or chose to die at a biological rate. 15-20 years time.

[MJistheGOAT]

I don't think you have to worry about AI replacing us. Why? Because at some point, I expect humans and AI to intersect into a single being. That's the existence we are building towards.

Whatever being you get from that will be our next evolutionary lineage. Natural selection is essentially being replaced with our ability to dictate our own evolution on our terms and ultimately play god.

Natural selection, naturally, takes place over thousands and hundreds of thousands of generations. Today we have the power to dictate it over just a few generations - we can even alter our DNA so we control our biology. We have taken over the reins, and we are speeding it up each generation. We now control our own evolution (hence playing god).

That will be and is already becoming our new approach to life since the dawn of the information age, mainly the addition of computers. We already have implant chips and handheld computers at our fingertips (smartphones), and I expect the two to become one (think of google glasses except directly implanted into our bodies). I have zero doubt we are heading towards the age of cyborgs. That's our future.

Absolutely agree with this post.

In the not so distant future we ll be humans with artificial improvement via technology, then we will surpass natural selection and evolution, advancing to the era of artificial evolution and intelligent design.

Problem is this will diminish a lot our mortality and increase our life span, so a birth/population control strategy should be mandatory, leading to a new age of discrimination and conflict, only the elite would have the "rights" to have children, maybe we ll have a war because of this.

The real solution should be "terraforming" other planets and start the space expansion, probably secret agencies/group are working on that.

[sundizz]

I

[Akrazotile]

I’m going to actually respond to this thread as it seems genuine.

It will increase the disparity between the haves and the have nots. We are already trending toward this. The true “jobs” will continue to require increasingly high levels of education and intelligence. These will be extremely well paid jobs but not require many people. We are already seeing this in a company like Netflix. Their revenue to their number of employees is mind boggling when compared with the number of employees it took in past generations.

For others, this means they will be higher educated but still be doing somewhat menial work. As they are just a cog they’ll not be paid that much. An example would be the 5-10 people that run an automated supermarket. You only need 5-10 instead of the usual 20-30. However, they are simply there to deter theft, help in rare situations, provide the human touch etc. They’ll be paid what we call retail wages.

The true scary part of all this is whether we learn to rethink our mentality about work, money, standard of living, and resources. All of these advances will greatly increase the standard of living if we allow some redistribution of wealth. If we continue down the model of a few people harnessing all the wealth we’ll be left with a world that simply is better in name and not in reality.

Even now, we could all be working 3 days a week, having a nice place to live, and modern amenities for every person on the planet. We have the resources, tech, and land available. Instead, what we’ve allowed to happen is for some people to have the money for 10,000 houses and 9,999 people to not have enough for 1 home.

Do you think the 5-10 people running the supermarket will be keen to have their pay redistributed to the 15-20 people who got laid off and are now getting some sun and catching up on their reading M-F?

The reason the welfare system works currently is because theres still enough incentive for people to actually work and get rich, while welfare recipients are content with just scraping by.

The closer you move toward a system where a guy working for 100k has to give his layabout neighbor 50k, the closer you move to collapse. People simply will not work on those terms. It’s not human nature.

[bladefd]

There is one other dark possibility that I hate to mention, but I have to. That possibility is that we will kill ourselves as a species, and we will cease to exist before we get an opportunity to disperse across our solar system and the cosmos. Climate change, antibiotic resistant diseases, nearby supernova, asteroid, you name it could spell an end to our species and any possibility of a rise of AI and/or cyborg. That can come much sooner, perhaps in next couple generations for some possibilities and longer for others.

[Ben Simmons 25]

Do you think the 5-10 people running the supermarket will be keen to have their pay redistributed to the 15-20 people who got laid off and are now getting some sun and catching up on their reading M-F?

The reason the welfare system works currently is because theres still enough incentive for people to actually work and get rich, while welfare recipients are content with just scraping by.

The closer you move toward a system where a guy working for 100k has to give his layabout neighbor 50k, the closer you move to collapse. People simply will not work on those terms. It’s not human nature.

https://youtu.be/meiU6TxysCg?t=79

The video is not a perfect comparison but close enough... and yes, correct.

[Ben Simmons 25]

There is one other dark possibility that I hate to mention, but I have to. That possibility is that we will kill ourselves as a species, and we will cease to exist before we get an opportunity to disperse across our solar system and the cosmos. Climate change, antibiotic resistant diseases, nearby supernova, asteroid, you name it could spell an end to our species and any possibility of a rise of AI and/or cyborg. That can come much sooner, perhaps in next couple generations for some possibilities and longer for others.

How is a supernova or asteroid us killing ourselves as a species? lol

[bladefd]

How is a supernova or asteroid us killing ourselves as a species? lol

Maybe I should have included 'natural' disasters.

Nearby supernova within 50 light-years can emit xrays and gamma rays that can essentially destroy our planet's atmosphere. Without an atmosphere, we are dead. Maybe small number may survive if we can get inside a mountain base or deep underground...

Asteroid can create massive tsunamis, volcanoes, screw with Earth seasons, impact Earth rotation potentially if big enough. In long-term, they can cause nuclear winter and block sunlight for a long time.

We can still be okay from both disasters if we build a massive base station in space or another planet potentially like Mars. We can also fund programs which focus on pushing oncoming asteroids out of the way - we don't have such a program in place currently. So you know what, it would still be our fault if we don't prepare for averting such natural disasters.

[Akrazotile]

There is one other dark possibility that I hate to mention, but I have to. That possibility is that we will kill ourselves as a species, and we will cease to exist before we get an opportunity to disperse across our solar system and the cosmos. Climate change, antibiotic resistant diseases, nearby supernova, asteroid, you name it could spell an end to our species and any possibility of a rise of AI and/or cyborg. That can come much sooner, perhaps in next couple generations for some possibilities and longer for others.


There were no antibiotics for hundreds of millenia, and our progenitors were never fully wiped out by anything. We now have exponentially greater numbers and medical technology. Even if something came and wiped out 3 billion people (unthinkably improbable), we

[Akrazotile]

Maybe I should have included 'natural' disasters.

Nearby supernova within 50 light-years can emit xrays and gamma rays that can essentially destroy our planet's atmosphere. Without an atmosphere, we are dead. Maybe small number may survive if we can get inside a mountain base or deep underground...

Asteroid can create massive tsunamis, volcanoes, screw with Earth seasons, impact Earth rotation potentially if big enough. In long-term, they can cause nuclear winter and block sunlight for a long time.

We can still be okay from both disasters if we build a massive base station in space or another planet potentially like Mars. We can also fund programs which focus on pushing oncoming asteroids out of the way - we don't have such a program in place cu
rrently. So you know what, it would still be our fault if we don't prepare for averting such natural disasters.

:oldlol:


Oh, for sure. We can do anything we want with other people

[bladefd]

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]:oldlol:


Oh, for sure. We can do anything we want with other people

[Akrazotile]

Melting down and spazzing out in front of our eyes :oldlol:


Exposing your low IQ and high school level political sophistication in front of everyones eyes :banana:

[Ben Simmons 25]

Exposing your low IQ and high school level political sophistication in front of everyones eyes :banana:

I've often heard people say that you're heartless if you're not a liberal in your 20s... and you're brainless if you're not a conservative in your 30s...

Personally I skipped over that whole being a liberal thing...

I really started to appreciate hard work and what earning money actually means at 15 years old when I had my first job at a grocery store... I was making 5 something an hour and I saw shit come across the scanner and looked at people's totals and individual prices of items, I was like HOLY SHIT!!! My entire paycheck would be going towards essentially nothing but food if I was supporting myself... (part time @ $5 an hour)... I seem to remember steak, specifically, really hammering this concept home for me at the time.

If I ever have kids and society hasn't collapsed, I will absolutely be forcing them to get a job at 15 years old so that they can begin to start to appreciate the value of time/money and hard work in order to feed yourself. I'd be happy with them only working 10 hours a week... but they'll have to do it.

[Ben Simmons 25]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-vSB6gQszY


I think it is. Listen to this guy.

lol. Things are going to get so bad here in the next 20 years in terms of nationwide unemployment levels because of AI/automation wiping out jobs, I can't see a world in which a paradigm shift isn't required... lest we end up in some global uprising/wars.

People don't believe it. Most of you won't believe it until it happens. It's happening.

[MrFonzworth]

Reminds me of an elightening TED talk.

https://youtu.be/KTJn_DBTnrY

[Trollsmasher]

species is just a subjective taxonomical designation

free yourself of the fascist apriori moral paradigm and stop caring about "species"

it will do you a lot of good

[AlternativeAcc.]

Not any time soon.

People over-estimate how quickly things will happen

We haven't even begun planting the seeds yet.

[Ben Simmons 25]

Not any time soon.

People over-estimate how quickly things will happen

We haven't even begun planting the seeds yet.

Maybe... but also...

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/eda7d22f-be68-4e72-b519-c7645e0cd48a

[ArbitraryWater]

It has been eighty years since there was any military aggression berween first world nations. This major peace will not last much longer.

There will be immense warfare on this planet soon. The blood of many millions will be shed.

yea, prolly not

[tpols]

The jobs machines could take still require people. In a world machines did everything someone still has to design them. And build them. And build the machines that build other machines. Too many things require a human touch. And too many things that dont NEED humans still benefit from them. A chick fila robot might be able to make and deliver food....but it wouldnt have the customer service. Some things just dont work as a vending machine.



Tell that to japan. :oldlol:

[Ben Simmons 25]

Tell that to japan. :oldlol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydPqKhgh9Mg&t=415

Granted it

[Ben Simmons 25]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjZQIf-wo7U

Domino's self driving delivery vehicle... and this is from months ago and they've apparently been testing for a couple of years... not sure how I missed this.

Insane.

I don't need the answer to the original question of this thread any longer. I already know the answer.

[red1]

Yeah OP's mom needs to stop releasing that methane gas if we're going to survive as a species


https://media.giphy.com/media/yGE50nEVxqjFC/giphy.gif

[MrFonzworth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjZQIf-wo7U

Domino's self driving delivery vehicle... and this is from months ago and they've apparently been testing for a couple of years... not sure how I missed this.

Insane.

I don't need the answer to the original question of this thread any longer. I already know the answer.
Agreed. I too knew we were ****ed when Domino's pizzas started delivering itself. What's next, Papa Jovn's pizzas start delivering themselves?