Has there ever been a better 5th best player on a team than Draymond?

[AngelEyes]

Not including all star teams or olympic teams. Draymond is one of the most versatile players in the league and one of the best defenders but he is clearly the 5th best player on his own team, I don't think the 60's Celtics, 80's Celtics or 80's Lakers can match that.

[Big164]

Ray Allen

[Gus Hemmingway]

04 Karl Malone


12 Steve Nash

[SouBeachTalents]

There's never been a starting 5 of in prime, All-NBA players like this current Warriors team

PG: MVP
SG: All-NBA
SF: MVP/FMVP
PF: All-NBA/DPOY
C: All-NBA

All between the ages of 28-31 too

[Ca$H]

Not including all star teams or olympic teams. Draymond is one of the most versatile players in the league and one of the best defenders but he is clearly the 5th best player on his own team, I don't think the 60's Celtics, 80's Celtics or 80's Lakers can match that.

:biggums: Draymond can't even make wide open 3s. Dude can't score at all.

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Ray Allen

Ray Allen
Kyle Korver

Just to name a few

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There's never been a starting 5 of in prime, All-NBA players like this current Warriors team

PG: MVP
SG: All-NBA
SF: MVP/FMVP
PF: All-NBA/DPOY
C: All-NBA

All between the ages of 28-31 too


It's called "the NBA draft" you little salty, nerd.

[SouBeachTalents]

It's called "the NBA draft" you little salty, nerd.
Because Durant & Cousins were drafted there you fcking imbecile :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Because Durant & Cousins were drafted there you fcking imbecile :oldlol:
34-24 IQ strikes again!

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Lol @ these two stat geeks crying about an organization taking risks in the drafting system and picking up star acquisitions.

Let them tell it, the entire Warriors squad was created in the 2018 offseason :lol

Hoping they lose so they dudes can stop crying like b1tches all season.

[RRR3]

Lol @ these two stat geeks crying about an organization taking risks in the drafting system and picking up star acquisitions.

Let them tell it, the entire Warriors squad was created in the 2018 offseason :lol

Hoping they lose so they dudes can stop crying like b1tches all season.
Tell us more about Marcus Morris the first option bro.

[SouBeachTalents]

https://media.giphy.com/media/qx7bQ96KlILBu/giphy.gif
:lol This dude got so worked up over answering a thread question

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This cat STEAMING and I'm only speaking facts :confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

This cat STEAMING and I'm only speaking facts :confusedshrug:
Most of your posts aren’t factual.

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Lol. Got em in a frenzy :oldlol:

I literally get these dudes to do WHATEVER I want them to do all by making a simple post :pimp:

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"OMG! Warriors have all these stars and it's not fair!"

Kinda feel bad for you guys. Stanning a dude who has been aggressively ring-chasing from team to team in his prime doesn't allow you to even care about the draft system :(

[superduper]

Draymond is useless.

Klay has 5 good games a year (playoffs included).

Cousins will forever be a loser.

Durant's a bitch.

[bigkingsfan]

Draymond is useless.

Agreed, not sure why people been crying about it until today.

[RRR3]

"OMG! Warriors have all these stars and it's not fair!"

Kinda feel bad for you guys. Stanning a dude who has been aggressively ring-chasing from team to team in his prime doesn't allow you to even care about the draft system :(
You realize we both cheer for the Heat too right?

We don’t just care about LeBron. I’m more of a LeBron stan than SouBeach anyways, I’m pretty sure he was a Heat fan before LeBron, unlike me.

[kennethgriffen]

the 1980 celtics 5th best player was a 32 year old Pistol Pete Maravich

the 1982 celtics 5th best player was a 33 year old Nate Tiny Archibald

the 1980 lakers 5th best player was a 30 year old Spencer Haywood

the 1983,84,85,86 lakers 5th best player was a 30,31,32,33 year old Bob Mcadoo

the 1959,60,61 celtics 5th best player was a 25,26,27 year old Sam Jones



just a few to start out with that are no doubt above draymond

[Dray n Klay]

the 1980 celtics 5th best player was a 32 year old Pistol Pete Maravich

the 1982 celtics 5th best player was a 33 year old Nate Tiny Archibald

the 1980 lakers 5th best player was a 30 year old Spencer Haywood

the 1983,84,85,86 lakers 5th best player was a 30,31,32,33 year old Bob Mcadoo

the 1959,60,61 celtics 5th best player was a 25,26,27 year old Sam Jones



just a few to start out with that are no doubt above draymond


2013 Lakers 5th best player was 2 time MVP Steve Nash

[SouBeachTalents]

the 1980 celtics 5th best player was a 32 year old Pistol Pete Maravich

the 1982 celtics 5th best player was a 33 year old Nate Tiny Archibald

the 1980 lakers 5th best player was a 30 year old Spencer Haywood

the 1983,84,85,86 lakers 5th best player was a 30,31,32,33 year old Bob Mcadoo

the 1959,60,61 celtics 5th best player was a 25,26,27 year old Sam Jones



just a few to start out with that are no doubt above draymond
Maravich & Haywood weren't even getting 15 mpg in the playoffs at that point in their careers, while Sam Jones wasn't even one of the top 5 scorers on the Celtics those seasons you referenced. Even in a really down year for Dray, he's still easily more impactful & more crucial to his teams success than most of those players you mentioned

[kennethgriffen]

Maravich & Haywood weren't even getting 15 mpg in the playoffs at that point in their careers, while Sam Jones wasn't even one of the top 5 scorers on the Celtics those seasons you referenced. Even in a really down year for Dray, he's still easily more impactful & more crucial to his teams success than most of those players you mentioned


thats the point... if the question was "most impactful" then maybe draymond... but this is about "best 5th player"


but then if we're talking about impact then cousins is their 5th guy

[kennethgriffen]

2013 Lakers 5th best player was 2 time MVP Steve Nash


lebrons 5th best player for most of last year was finals mvp top 20 player ever dwyane wade... 6th best player = MVP derrick rose!


see how stupid you sound?

[And1AllDay]

It's called "the NBA draft" you little salty, nerd.

HOw your IQ so low you thought Durant and Cousins were drafted? Damn bruh fr low IQ having ass :oldlol:

[aj1987]

Because Durant & Cousins were drafted there you fcking imbecile :oldlol:
Dude is legit brain damaged. :oldlol:

[Gileraracer]

the 1980 celtics 5th best player was a 32 year old Pistol Pete Maravich

the 1982 celtics 5th best player was a 33 year old Nate Tiny Archibald

the 1980 lakers 5th best player was a 30 year old Spencer Haywood

the 1983,84,85,86 lakers 5th best player was a 30,31,32,33 year old Bob Mcadoo

the 1959,60,61 celtics 5th best player was a 25,26,27 year old Sam Jones



just a few to start out with that are no doubt above draymond


Lebron stans be like "Who the fck are these guys. Never heard of them" :biggums:


Millennials!

[ImKobe]

Lebron stans be like "Who the fck are these guys. Never heard of them" :biggums:


Millennials!

"NBA existed before 2011? :biggums: "

[r0drig0lac]

It's called "the NBA draft" you little salty, nerd.
lol right

for the thread: the answer is no

[BigShotBob]

Showtime Lakers's fifth best player was MVP Bob McAdoo coming off of the bench

[Ainosterhaspie]

Green is better than Cousins and has been better than Thompson since 2015. He rivals Curry for impact and may well have been FMVP in 2016 if they had managed to pull that one out. People are severely under rating him in this thread. This may be a down year for him, but he's still one of their most important pieces. Cousins has a lot to prove to pass Green.

Green is easily their best defender, but his offense shouldn't be so casually dismissed as it is here. When you have two elite scorers and a third at least intermittently great scorer and now a fourth high quality scorer, there is no need for a not her great scorer. Green as a facilitator and guy who is happy to do the offensive dirty work with no need to get a bunch of scoring opportunities to be happy is a great piece for this team and offense. He has a role and executes it well.

[ImKobe]

Green is better than Cousins and has been better than Thompson since 2015. He rivals Curry for impact and may well have been FMVP in 2016 if they had managed to pull that one out. People are severely under rating him in this thread. This may be a down year for him, but he's still one of their most important pieces. Cousins has a lot to prove to pass Green.

Green is easily their best defender, but his offense shouldn't be so casually dismissed as it is here. When you have two elite scorers and a third at least intermittently great scorer and now a fourth high quality scorer, there is no need for a not her great scorer. Green as a facilitator and guy who is happy to do the offensive dirty work with no need to get a bunch of scoring opportunities to be happy is a great piece for this team and offense. He has a role and executes it well.

Cousins is much better than Green as an overall player, are you serious? :roll:

First two games back from a serious achilles injury with both on the road and they have two blowout wins with him putting up 11/7/4 in 18 mpg while being a combined +45 in 36 minutes.

I wouldn't be surprised if they ditched Green & signed Cousins on the cheap in the off-season.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Green has been a key piece to an historically great team, Cousins has been a key piece to making the lottery every year. His offensive toolkit doesn't translate to success at all and Green is a much much better defender.

Cousins looks like a first option, but he isn't. He has no leadership and doesn't do the little things that lead to winning. He's a support piece at best, but doesn't realize it. Green is also a support piece and plays that role to perfection. The right support guy, a guy who could never be the main guy, can still be the better player than a guy who is a fraud main guy like Cousins.

The Warriors are favorites to win and are back to back champions without Cousi s so if they win this year with him that doesn't really change anything about who he's shown himself to be the last several years. Maybe he'll show himself to be a new guy, but for now Green has proven himself to be a better, more impactful player.

[ImKobe]

Cousins and Green are more similar than you think. Both are crybabies and known for piling up technicals and acting all emotional in games, both play dirty as well.

Tell me one thing that Draymond does that Cousins can't do?

Cousins is a better scorer (inside, mid-range, 3s, free throws) and rebounder.

We'll also find out how good he is at sharing the ball with a team as stacked as this, he was a good playmaker for a big man in Sacramento.

Pelicans were 27 - 21 with Cousins before his injury last year. Guess where they are right now? 22 - 25 with Randle in his place.

[Dray n Klay]

Cousins and Green are more similar than you think. Both are crybabies and known for piling up technicals and acting all emotional in games, both play dirty as well.

Tell me one thing that Draymond does that Cousins can't do?

Cousins is a better scorer (inside, mid-range, 3s, free throws) and rebounder.

We'll also find out how good he is at sharing the ball with a team as stacked as this, he was a good playmaker for a big man in Sacramento.

Pelicans were 27 - 21 with Cousins before his injury last year. Guess where they are right now? 22 - 25 with Randle in his place.


Kobe missed the playoffs with a player better than peak Cousins (2012 Dwight)

[superduper]

I agree that Draymond is overrated because his strengths are incredibly highlighted since he has the privilege of playing with all time great scorers but there are a lot of things Draymond can do that Cousins can't. And they aren't remotely similar when it comes to their play on the court :facepalm

Cousins could not anchor an entire defense if his life depended on it.

Draymond was also their mental ROCK in terms of instilling the mindset of "we can win each and every single game and have zero excuses not to" into each and every one of his teammates. The championship mindset all came from Draymond, he kept them mentally strong. Cousins is literally the exact opposite of this.

Draymond is also a lot more about the TEAM. Cousins is all about himself.

[superduper]

Kobe missed the playoffs with a player better than peak Cousins (2012 Dwight)

Your life is pathetic and you know it.

[ImKobe]

We've never seen Cousins anchor a defense on a team like the Warriors though. Certainly he isn't a better hustle player than Draymond, but this is the first time he's playing in a reduced role on a team stacked with elite perimeter shooting, so he can now use the energy he would to score 25-30 points on the defensive end. We don't know yet, but I got a feeling that he'll be good on the defensive side if healthy.


Kobe missed the playoffs with a player better than peak Cousins (2012 Dwight)

2012-13 Dwight averaged 17/12/1

peak Cousins averaged 27/11/5

try again, loser :kobe:

And Lakers made the Playoffs.

[Dray n Klay]

We've never seen Cousins anchor a defense on a team like the Warriors though. Certainly he isn't a better hustle player than Draymond, but this is the first time he's playing in a reduced role on a team stacked with elite perimeter shooting, so he can now use the energy he would to score 25-30 points on the defensive end. We don't know yet, but I got a feeling that he'll be good on the defensive side.




2012-13 Dwight averaged 17/12/1

peak Cousins averaged 27/11/5

try again, loser :kobe:

And Lakers made the Playoffs.

Defense?

[ImKobe]

Defense?

Cousins' offense outweighs the slight advantage Dwight had on defense in 2013.

[SouBeachTalents]

I agree that Draymond is overrated because his strengths are incredibly highlighted since he has the privilege of playing with all time great scorers but there are a lot of things Draymond can do that Cousins can't. And they aren't remotely similar when it comes to their play on the court :facepalm

Cousins could not anchor an entire defense if his life depended on it.

Draymond was also their mental ROCK in terms of instilling the mindset of "we can win each and every single game and have zero excuses not to" into each and every one of his teammates. The championship mindset all came from Draymond, he kept them mentally strong. Cousins is literally the exact opposite of this.

Draymond is also a lot more about the TEAM. Cousins is all about himself.
They really couldn't be more different as players. Cousins to me kinda falls into no mans land, you can't win with him as the first option, and I don't know if he has the intangibles to win with him (on a normal contender, not these Warriors) as a supporting player. Even paired up with AD the Pelicans were far from world beaters. In a supporting role, I'd easily take '15-'18 Dray over Cousins

[Dray n Klay]

Cousins' offense outweighs the slight advantage Dwight had on defense in 2013.


Dwight was an all star starter in 2013

At worst he was equal to cousins

[greymatter]

It's disingenuous to say he's 5th best on his team given that he's easily the 3rd most valuable in terms of his impact.

I have no problem saying that any team with him as its best player would be a lottery team and 1st/2nd round playoff fodder on teams where he's 2nd best. The only exception where he could be 2nd best on a legit contender is if that #1 is Lebron.