Which Finals series does LeBron win if he only averages 4 rbs and 2 assists?

[Dray n Klay]

Which of his 9 Finals does he win averaging those stats?

[bullettooth]

Who cares? He loses 6 of them anyway.

[Phoenix]

Mods.

[superduper]

I bet you're completely useless IRL and I feel bad for whoever you're dependent on.

[SouBeachTalents]

Which Finals series does Jordan win only averaging 18 ppg

[bullettooth]

I bet you're completely useless IRL and I feel bad for whoever you're dependent on.

That'd be all of us. The guy's on government assistance.

[PickernRoller]

Mods...

[TheCorporation]

None. Zero.

I love how the MJ fans cant' answer a simple question but they want to cry instead. They can't ever seem to grasp reality and be honest with facts.

So to answer your question again, sir, it's NONE.

I do wonder how many Finals MVP winners ever averaged 4 rbs and 2 assists and still won the FMVP. Hmm, has any FMVP winner ever had such a low output but their competition was so poor it didn't matter?

[Manny98]

Which Finals series does Jordan win only averaging 18 ppg
96 easily he shot like 30% from the field and the Bulls still won :oldlol:

[Spurs m8]

Mods.

The mods don't do shit, they're a big part to blame for the board being so god damn shit

Ban me, i don't give a fvck

[bullettooth]

96 easily he shot like 30% from the field and the Bulls still won :oldlol:

.415 you lying sack of welfare crap.

It's amazing how everyone in the country has to contribute to your jobless ass only so you can post bullshit.

[TheCorporation]

96 easily he shot like 30% from the field and the Bulls still won :oldlol:

Mind you this was with a 6'1 Payton guarding him. I wonder what numbers he would put up versus Draymond, Iggy, Klay :eek: 31% on 23 ppg (DeMar Derozan status)

[ImKobe]

96 easily he shot like 30% from the field and the Bulls still won :oldlol:

~54%TS

higher TS% than Lebron's Finals in 2007, 2013 & 2015, equal to 2011

:facepalm

[Dray n Klay]

~54%TS

higher TS% than Lebron's Finals in 2007, 2013 & 2015, equal to 2011

:facepalm

MJ shot 11 FTs a game :roll:


TS% is skewed



He shot 41% from the field and 31% from 3 guarded by a 6

[Rico2016]

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]MJ shot 11 FTs a game :roll:


TS% is skewed



He shot 41% from the field and 31% from 3 guarded by a 6

[jstern]

I think he would win in 2011 if he averaged 4 rebounds per game, but didn't choke offensive, scoring wise, or at least out played Jason Terry. So one.

[And1AllDay]

I think he would win in 2011 if he averaged 4 rebounds per game, but didn't choke offensive, scoring wise, or at least out played Jason Terry. So one.

He averaged 7 rebounds and 7 assists not the 4 rebounds and 2 asssits

Math is hard bruh but try again :oldlol:

[Dray n Klay]

He averaged 7 rebounds and 7 assists not the 4 rebounds and 2 asssits

Math is hard bruh but try again :oldlol:

LeBron literally doubled MJs production in 2011 and he still lost :roll:


Lebrons worst Finals is still double the production of MJs average Finals :roll:

[ImKobe]

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]MJ shot 11 FTs a game :roll:


TS% is skewed



He shot 41% from the field and 31% from 3 guarded by a 6

[bullettooth]

LeBron literally doubled MJs production in 2011 and he still lost :roll:


Lebrons worst Finals is still double the production of MJs average Finals :roll:

Serious question; did you wear hockey equipment to school?

[RealSkipBayless]

That'd be all of us. The guy's on government assistance.
Is he really in a wheelchair?

[jstern]

He averaged 7 rebounds and 7 assists not the 4 rebounds and 2 asssits

Math is hard bruh but try again :oldlol:

Your comprehension is very low.

[knicksman]

players aim is to be the best scorer. If you cant be that one, you settle for less which is all around player. And thats lebron is, a loser. He will not be on mj/kobe level.

[SouBeachTalents]

~54%TS

higher TS% than Lebron's Finals in 2007, 2013 & 2015, equal to 2011

:facepalm
Also a higher TS% than Kobe's Finals in 2000, 2001, 2004, 2008, 2009 & 2010

[knicksman]

He averaged 7 rebounds and 7 assists not the 4 rebounds and 2 asssits

Math is hard bruh but try again :oldlol:


LOL. You just exposed your IQ my friend. Now we know why youre a lebron stan

[Manny98]

.415 you lying sack of welfare crap.

It's amazing how everyone in the country has to contribute to your jobless ass only so you can post bullshit.
I have a job retard :oldlol:

[Manny98]

~54%TS

higher TS% than Lebron's Finals in 2007, 2013 & 2015, equal to 2011

:facepalm
Game 6 MJ shoots a pathetic 5/19 (26%) and the Bulls still win by double digits

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199606160CHI.html

[Da_Realist]

None because LeBron would would stat pad until he got his quota...so his ignorant fans can tout his garbage numbers like they mean something.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13566076&postcount=38

[And1AllDay]

Game 6 MJ shoots a pathetic 5/19 (26%) and the Bulls still win by double digits

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199606160CHI.html

GOTEEEM

Just imagine it, Bron on a team so stacked that in the finals shooting 26% and winning the game by double digits.

Bron would be 6 for 6 and then some.

[bullettooth]

I have a job retard :oldlol:

No possible way a moron such as yourself could be competent enough to fulfill a responsibility for money for any period of time.

[Da_Realist]

GOTEEEM

Just imagine it, Bron on a team so stacked that in the finals shooting 26% and winning the game by double digits.

Bron would be 6 for 6 and then some.

If he played defense instead of allowing his man to take Finals MVP every year.

[Phoenix]

He averaged 7 rebounds and 7 assists not the 4 rebounds and 2 asssits



And lost,so how important were those numbers in those areas in the end? Teams have won being out-rebounded or out-assisted, but not outscored.

[Dray n Klay]

And lost,so how important were those numbers in those areas in the end? Teams have won being out-rebounded or out-assisted, but not outscored.

No dummy,


The 2018 Pacers outscored the 2018 Cavs in the playoffs in total points and still lost


So you

[kennethgriffen]

the ones that he plays defense in and adheres to a real offensive system without getting the coach fired midway through the regular season

[Phoenix]

No dummy,


The 2018 Pacers outscored the 2018 Cavs in the playoffs in total points and still lost


So you’re wrong

On a game to game basis, the Cavs won their 4 games by 3-5 points, and the Pacers blew them off the floor twice, in game 1 by 18 and game 6 by 34. If you can't figure out that I meant on a game to game basis, you're even more retarded than I thought. Or you think you're being slick, and you failed there as well.

[bullettooth]

the ones that he plays defense in and adheres to a real offensive system without getting the coach fired midway through the regular season

Won't be this year. His gynaecologist has kept him from playing any basketball at all.

[Duncan21formvp]

How did Lebron James lose to a Career Loser in Dwight Howard with HCA while having a 4x DPOY on his squad.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=454610&page=6

When you lose to Dwight Howard you are an insult to the sport.

[LAmbruh]

DnK got em spinning :lol

[TheCorporation]

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]No dummy,


The 2018 Pacers outscored the 2018 Cavs in the playoffs in total points and still lost


So you

[Dray n Klay]

Dray n Klay on is on fire, slaying these morons left and right. I love it
:pimp:

[PickernRoller]

Dray n Klay slazyin dis foolzz..:roll:

WE DID IT AGAIN!!!

Too EZ!!! :yaohappy:

:hammertime:

[Duncan21formvp]

Or why was Lebronze on multiple USA teams that led teams to bronze medals?

And embarrass the United States of America twice with bronze medals?
https://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/games/2004-08-27-USA-ARG/

[TheCorporation]

Dray n Klay slazyin dis foolzz..:roll:

WE DID IT AGAIN!!!

Too EZ!!! :yaohappy:

:hammertime:

Don't make me bump your pitiful "To all of us who were right (WRONG)" thread again :lol Another classic failure of yours :lol

[PickernRoller]

Don't make me bump your pitiful "To all of us who were right (WRONG)" thread again :lol Another classic failure of yours :lol

Is that so...:oldlol: :oldlol:

[greymatter]

How did Lebron James lose to a Career Loser in Dwight Howard with HCA while having a 4x DPOY on his squad.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=454610&page=6

When you lose to Dwight Howard you are an insult to the sport.

When you label oft-injured 35 y/o former superstars as in their "prime", your opinions are rendered useless.

[And1AllDay]

DnK got em spinning :lol

DnK got these bois shook :oldlol: :oldlol:

[SpaceJam]

No possible way a moron such as yourself could be competent enough to fulfill a responsibility for money for any period of time.

I like how dude just bullshitted his way to saying you don't have a job just to seem like he's smarter than advertised

[Gileraracer]

Who cares? He loses 6 of them anyway.


Dang :lol

[Dray n Klay]

So... which one?

[superduper]

Bran will never be remotely close to GOAT and you stans definitely know it that's the only reason you constantly make 10 troll Bran threads a day.

Stay validating the truth my friend :rockon:

[Bronbron23]

The ones where he plays all time elite defence dumbass

[Bronbron23]

Or the ones where his willing to accept and trust a great coach and play within a system

[3ball]

That's a big bomb the MJ fans wont be able to shake off. LeBron had some bad Finals years but he didn't win those year. Then we have Jordan who puts up 27.3 on 41.5 and wins the FMVP.


Lebron won with 25.3 on 44.7% in 2013

Except he had 18, 17, and 18 points in the first 3 games, so he needed ray allen to force a Game 7, whereas MJ averaged 31 on 46% the first 3 games to win the series 3-0..

lebron's stats were horrible when he could've been putting the series away, whereas MJ put the series away and then slacked off in garbage time after the job was done. Who among us hasn't done that? (slacked off after the job was done)

[bullettooth]

Who among us hasn't done that? (slacked off after the job was done)

You're assuming these kids have jobs....

[TheCorporation]

So...Which Finals series does LeBron win if he only averages 4 rebounds and 2 assists?

[Real14]

So... which one?
Which one of these next 9 years are you not going to be a virgin no more?:(

[Da_Realist]

So...Which Finals series does LeBron win if he only averages 4 rebounds and 2 assists?

None if they are running the LeBron James system. He'd fake an injury if he's prevented from getting his numbers. He needs those numbers to protect himself.

But even if he stuffed the stat sheet until his heart is content, he's still only batting .333

[3ball]

So...Which Finals series does LeBron win if he only averages 4 rebounds and 2 assists?
All of them, if he let his duo of 10-rebound bigs do their job and had better ball movement offensively

And if he dominated like MJ in the 1998 Finals, including

1) an all-time record 38.3% of his team's points
2) goat clutch of all-time, compared to lebron's game 1 OT in 18'
3) 50% of his team's 4th quarter points while on the floor (lebron was at 14% (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/usage/?Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) in 2011 Finals, 33% (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) in 2012, 39% (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) in 2013,
29% (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/usage/?Season=2013-14&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) in 2014, 44% (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) in 2015,
47% (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) in 2016, 30% (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) in 2017, 50% (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/usage/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) in 2018
4) goat defense, not lebron spotting his man 8-10 extra points and fmvp (14, 15, 17, 18)

[Poetry]

Threads need to be merged.

[Dray n Klay]

96 easily he shot like 30% from the field and the Bulls still won :oldlol:
:roll:

[Gileraracer]

He had probably won more if he didn't only care for his stats. So i'd say 4 of 9 which would, of course, be great for a career finals loser like Lebron

[Rico2016]

Anyone :confusedshrug:

[3ball]

Anyone :confusedshrug:
When lebron displays the goat clutch, defense, scoring burden, and leadership that MJ did in the 98' Finals, then he can win like MJ did

Has lebron ever hit the 2-for-1 bucket, then stole the ball, then hit the game-winner in the Finals? Lebron has had many tight Finals games that he LOST because he didn't take over like MJ did.. :confusedshrug:

i.e. the bulls lose both the 98' Finals and 1997 if MJ doesn't hit 3 game winners - lebron has zero game-winner in the Finals, so he loses those games and both Finals.. just like he failed to be clutch in game 1 of 18' Finals, or I think it was getting 3 of the 17' Finals where he screwed up in the clutch.. MJ wins those games and turns the tide - that's the kind of shit he did.. that's the difference

Honestly, there's a shit ton of playoff games that lebron lost because he wasn't the hero in the clutch - WAY more than MJ, the most clutch player of all time

[TheCorporation]

None, only MJ had a team that stacked

[Bronbron23]

So many stat nerds on this shit. I love how everyone just totally ignores the other half of the ball and ignores the importance of having a system. It's the 2 main reasons why mj can average those rebounds and assist numbers and still win and dominate a game.

The way LeBron, westbrook and harden play is great for stats and numbers but not great for winning. They play little to no defence( with the exception of Westbrook who tries he's just not that good) and offence goes through them so the offence becomes very predictable and ineffective especially late in games.

LeBron has got away with it and won a few chips because hes alot better than those guys but he could of won more if he was willing to play within a system and he played elite defence every minute he's on the floor. I think the lack of effort on defence for LeBron comes down to stamina. Mj's stamina was insane and is rarely talked about but he could go for days where LeBron maybe because of his size gets gassed much faster

[And1AllDay]

Which of his 9 Finals does he win averaging those stats?

Discuss

[Rico2016]

Which of his 9 Finals does he win averaging those stats?

:applause:

[knicksman]

So many stat nerds on this shit. I love how everyone just totally ignores the other half of the ball and ignores the importance of having a system. It's the 2 main reasons why mj can average those rebounds and assist numbers and still win and dominate a game.

The way LeBron, westbrook and harden play is great for stats and numbers but not great for winning. They play little to no defence( with the exception of Westbrook who tries he's just not that good) and offence goes through them so the offence becomes very predictable and ineffective especially late in games.

LeBron has got away with it and won a few chips because hes alot better than those guys but he could of won more if he was willing to play within a system and he played elite defence every minute he's on the floor. I think the lack of effort on defence for LeBron comes down to stamina. Mj's stamina was insane and is rarely talked about but he could go for days where LeBron maybe because of his size gets gassed much faster

Lebron isnt as good as kobe/jordan as a scorer so he wont be the man on the team. He will become pippen in a triangle. Thats why lebron will never play in a system coz the only way he could compete with jordan/kobe is through stats. Hes not winning rings with his skillset.

[Rico2016]

Which Finals series does LeBron win if he only averages 4 rbs and 2 assists?

[Gileraracer]

If he plays team ball instead of dribbling down the shotclock i say at least 4

[nayte]

I will bite on a troll thread and ask when did rebounds and assist determine a winning team. You can lose on those stats and still win which we have seen time and time again.

[Bronbron23]

Lebron isnt as good as kobe/jordan as a scorer so he wont be the man on the team. He will become pippen in a triangle. Thats why lebron will never play in a system coz the only way he could compete with jordan/kobe is through stats. Hes not winning rings with his skillset.
In the triangle yeah maybe but it doesn't necessarily have to be the triangle. He played within a system in Miami and still had great stats and 2 chips. He played great defence then also so he's definitely capable.

[Rico2016]

I will bite on a troll thread and ask when did rebounds and assist determine a winning team. You can lose on those stats and still win which we have seen time and time again.


How is it a troll? It's a legitimate question. You don't want to answer it because the answer is: None

"Which Finals series does LeBron win if he only averages 4 rbs and 2 assists?"

is a great question because we all know MJ had someone carrying the load for him every step of the way

[Gileraracer]

How is it a troll? It's a legitimate question. You don't want to answer it because the answer is: None

"Which Finals series does LeBron win if he only averages 4 rbs and 2 assists?"

is a great question because we all know MJ had someone carrying the load for him every step of the way

Lebrons help throughout the years:

Shaq
Ray Allen
Dwyane Wade
Chris Bosh
Kyrie Irving
Kevin Love
Ben Wallace
Jerry Stackhouse
Mike Bibby
Rajon Rondo
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Mo Williams
Carlos Boozer
Antawn Jamison
Dion Waiters
Shawn Marion
Deron Williams
Derrick Rose
Kyle Korver


You cannot name 5 stars who had more help than Lebron for their careers.

[Hey Yo]

Bran will never be remotely close to GOAT and you stans definitely know it that's the only reason you constantly make 10 troll Bran threads a day.

Stay validating the truth my friend :rockon:
Says the guy who recently got banned for making 10 troll threads a day about LeBron.

[Rico2016]

Says the guy who recently got banned for making 10 troll threads a day about LeBron.

:roll: :roll:

[Rico2016]

He had probably won more if he didn't only care for his stats. So i'd say 4 of 9 which would, of course, be great for a career finals loser like Lebron

You're pretty slow, aren't you?

[nayte]

How is it a troll? It's a legitimate question. You don't want to answer it because the answer is: None

"Which Finals series does LeBron win if he only averages 4 rbs and 2 assists?"

is a great question because we all know MJ had someone carrying the load for him every step of the way

It is a trolll or maybe hypothetical cause rebounds and assists don't determine the winner. We don't know the answer to op cause it hasn't happened. Who knows.
Now answer my question

[Gileraracer]

You're pretty slow, aren't you?

no

[Dray n Klay]

:roll: :roll:
:oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

:oldlol:

:lol

[3ball]

:lol
If you made a league of all the Finals participants in history, lebron's teams would be lottery level - lebron has a losing, lottery win percentage in the Finals
























































:roll: :yaohappy:

[Manny98]

Game 6 MJ shoots a pathetic 5/19 (26%) and the Bulls still win by double digits

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199606160CHI.html
5/19 and your team still wins by double digits imagine having that luxury :eek:

[3ball]

22/9/7 on 5/19 and your team still wins by double digits imagine having that luxury :eek:
Imagine scoring only 17 points, but having enough supporting talent to win a Finals game by 19 against a dynasty (game 2 of 2013 Finals)

And imagine having enough supporting talent that 2 different teammates hit the big shot to save you from Finals defeat in 2 different Finals.

MJ never had a teammate hit big shots that prevented series loss, nor did he need it, since he had numerous clutch winners himself in the Finals, while lebron has zero clutch shots on the championship level

[NBASTATMAN]

Imagine scoring only 17 points, but having enough supporting talent to win a Finals game by 19 against a dynasty (game 2 of 2013 Finals)

And imagine having enough supporting talent that 2 different teammates hit the big shot to save you from Finals defeat in 2 different Finals.

MJ never had a teammate hit big shots that prevented series loss, nor did he need it, since he had numerous clutch winners himself in the Finals, while lebron has zero clutch shots on the championship level


Truthfully MJ had a better team in every Finals that he played.. I would say that Barkley in 1993 had a similar team in terms of talent but I would have taken MJ's Teammates over Barkleys because of Pippen..

Trade Pippen for Kevin Johnson and that series goes to THE SUNS..

[TheCorporation]

5/19 and your team still wins by double digits imagine having that luxury :eek:

:eek:

The vicious 6'2.5 foot Payton clamped him badly.

Shawn ****ing KEMP had a better Finals than Jordan:roll: :roll:

[TheCorporation]

Truthfully MJ had a better team in every Finals that he played.. I would say that Barkley in 1993 had a similar team in terms of talent but I would have taken MJ's Teammates over Barkleys because of Pippen..

Trade Pippen for Kevin Johnson and that series goes to THE SUNS..

Agreed. I felt the '93 Suns win was MJ's biggest win (albeit he only really has one big Finals win, but still).

[3ball]

Truthfully MJ had a good better team in every Finals that he played..


Because of Jordan

And truthfully, he had less supporting talent in every Finals, which is why he carried the goat scoring load (33.5 PPG).. 2+2=4





Trade Pippen for Kevin Johnson and that series goes to THE SUNS..


Trade Jordan for Barkley and the suns win... :confusedshrug:

And both teams only played 9 guys, where the suns destroyed the bulls at EACH of the #3 thru 9 spots by a combined 20 ppg... this was offset by MJ outscoring Barkley by 16, and pippen outscoring KJ by 4...

So if you switched pippen and KJ, then Jordan simply scores 4 more ppg - again, he was already making up for most of the deficit at the 3 thru 9 spots by getting a Finals record 41 ppg, so what's 4 more points to the goat

[TheCorporation]

Because of Jordan

And truthfully, he had less supporting talent in every Finals, which is why he carried the goat scoring load (33.5 PPG).. 2+2=4



Trade Jordan for Barkley and the suns win... :confusedshrug:

And both teams only played 9 guys, where the suns destroyed the bulls at EACH of the #3 thru 9 spots by a combined 20 ppg... this was offset by MJ outscoring Barkley by 16, and pippen outscoring KJ by 4...

So if you switched pippen and KJ, then Jordan simply scores 4 more ppg - again, he was already making up for most of the deficit at the 3 thru 9 spots by getting a Finals record 41 ppg, so what's 4 more points to the goat


Yes, partly because of Jordan (obviously, no one is saying he is a scrub dude).

But...

Because of Pippen, too. And Phil Jackson. And MOSTLY because of...

His weak ass competition.

[TheCorporation]

Which Finals series does LeBron win if he has a lower game score than Shawk ****ing Kemp

[TheCorporation]

Which Finals series does LeBron win if he has a lower game score than Shawk ****ing Kemp

Anyone at all?

[Overdrive]

Which Finals series does LeBron win if he has a lower game score than Shawk ****ing Kemp

2011. Kemp had a GmSc of 18,9, Lebron had one of 13,7. Jordan's GmSc would've netted the Heat the finals.

[TheCorporation]

2011. Kemp had a GmSc of 18,9, Lebron had one of 13,7. Jordan's GmSc would've netted the Heat the finals.

He wins FMVP over Wade? What was Wade's?

I'll wait

[superduper]

Anyone at all?

Why did Wade in 2012 and 2013 have a higher Gamescore than LeGOAT in 2011? I notice you've been hard ducking this question

[TheCorporation]

Why did Wade in 2012 and 2013 have a higher Gamescore than LeGOAT in 2011? I notice you've been hard ducking this question

Is GmScore relevant or not?

[3ball]

MJ was a defensive leader and carried the offense with record scoring burden (38.3% of team pts), which allowed a close game so MJ's goat clutch and record 4th quarter scoring (10.3 pts) could steal games down the stretch - that's how the 98' bulls beat the shaq/duncan killers

Now why was being a net negative enough for lebron in 2013?



Net rating

Jordan 98' Finals:. +8.0 (https://stats.nba.com/player/893/advanced/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)
Lebron 13' Finals:. -0.2 (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)


Or averaging 16.7 on 39% thru 3 games, or 21 on 43% thru 5?

And how did he make the Finals with 22 ppg in the 14' ECF?
.

[TheCorporation]

Which Finals series does LeBron win if he only averages 4 rbs and 2 assists?

[Overdrive]

Which Finals series does LeBron win if he only averages 4 rbs and 2 assists?

Also '11 if he scored 33,5 ppg.

[3ball]

Which Finals series does LeBron win if he only averages 4 rbs and 2 assists?
All of them if he could score 52% of his team's points in a game with the greatest clutch ever to win it

All of them if he was a defensive leader and carried the offense with record scoring burden (38.3% of team pts) and record 4th quarter scoring (10.3 pts) - that's how the 98' bulls beat the shaq/duncan killers

Now why was being a net negative enough for lebron in 2013?



Net rating

Jordan 98' Finals:. +8.0 (https://stats.nba.com/player/893/advanced/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)
Lebron 13' Finals:. -0.2 (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)


Why was 16.7 on 39% enough for Lebron thru 3 games of the 2013 Finals, or 21 on 43% thru 5 games - basically a repeat of the 11' Finals until ray allen saved him?.. :kobe:

And how did he make the Finals with 22 ppg in the 14' ECF?
.

[And1AllDay]

Anyone at all?

[TheCorporation]

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]No dummy,


The 2018 Pacers outscored the 2018 Cavs in the playoffs in total points and still lost


So you

[SpaceJam2]

Only 1 player in NBA history won a FMVP with 4 reb and 2 assists

https://i.postimg.cc/d018kqZ3/MJ-4-reb-2-ass.png

[SpaceJam2]

MJ Finals series among other FMVP

https://i.postimg.cc/K8s1Wt4c/MJ-4-reb.png
Ranked 4 out of 50 (4th lowest)


https://i.postimg.cc/d018kqZ3/MJ-4-reb-2-ass.png
Ranked 5 out of 50(4th lowest)

[Bawkish]

MJ Finals series among other FMVP

https://i.postimg.cc/K8s1Wt4c/MJ-4-reb.png
Ranked 4 out of 50 (4th lowest)

https://i.postimg.cc/K8s1Wt4c/MJ-4-reb.png
Ranked 5 out of 50(4th lowest)

never knew rebounds & assists are more important than scoring especially in the Finals

[SpaceJam]

It's hilarious how 3ball tries to prop up Utah as Shaq/Duncan killers like they beat em at their peak

[Bawkish]

It's hilarious how 3ball tries to prop up Utah as Shaq/Duncan killers like they beat em at their peak

The Utah Jazz were no longer at their peak or prime either. They're bunch of old guys who knew how to play disciplined basketball

[3ball]

https://i.postimg.cc/K8s1Wt4c/MJ-4-reb.png


never knew rebounds & assists are more important than scoring especially in the Finals


Bookmarked

Corporation, Dray n Klay, Space Jam 1 and 2 destroyed

[paksat]

Ban These Lbj Trolls Ffs He's Draining This Forum He's Draining The Nba













Purgeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[paksat]

.415 you lying sack of welfare crap.

It's amazing how everyone in the country has to contribute to your jobless ass only so you can post bullshit.

lellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

MOAR

[Dray n Klay]

Only 1 player in NBA history won a FMVP with 4 reb and 2 assists

https://i.postimg.cc/d018kqZ3/MJ-4-reb-2-ass.png


Jordan literally put up the worst stats for a FMVP ever :eek:

[3ball]

Jordan literally put up the worst stats for a FMVP ever :eek:
Scoring is more important than rebounds and assists

This is elementary

A team can win with less rebounds or assists, but never with less scoring, so mj's strength influences the game the most

But I know you like to act dumb.. it's your schtick

[Dray n Klay]

Scoring is more important than rebounds and assists

This is elementary

A team can win with less rebounds or assists, but never with less scoring, so mj's strength influences the game the most

But I know you like to act dumb.. it's your schtick
Ok? LeBron put up the same 34ppg in 2017 as MJ did in 1998

Except LeBron also averaged 12 rebounds and 10 assists, compared to MJs 4 rebounds and 2 assists :eek:



Too bad we can’t hold MJ to the true goat standard (which is why you’re ok with such shitty rebounding/assisting numbers

[3ball]

Lebron put up the same 34ppg in 2017 as MJ did in 1998

Except LeBron also averaged 12 rebounds and 10 assists, compared to MJs 4 rebounds and 2 assists

Too bad we can’t hold MJ to the true goat standard (which is why you’re ok with such shitty rebounding/assisting numbers
Warriors' DRTG was 115 versus Utah's 105... pace was 100 to 82... CLE scored 115 ppg versus 88 for bulls... :eek:

So lebron's 34 ppg was garbage considering the 10 extra DRTG, 10 extra pace and 27 more team ppg

Furthermore, Lebron scored 34 but gave up 35

And his assists came at the expense of teammates and the team, which was massively out-assisted by the warriors and outplayed

In short, lebron was a low-scoring, stat-padding, defensive siv

[SpaceJam2]

MJ Finals series among other FMVP

https://i.postimg.cc/K8s1Wt4c/MJ-4-reb.png
Ranked 4 out of 50 (4th lowest)


https://i.postimg.cc/d018kqZ3/MJ-4-reb-2-ass.png
Ranked 5 out of 50(4th lowest)

3ball?


MJ's chip had him 47th place out of 50 FMVPs for assists and 45th out of 50 among FMVPs in rebounds.

Why?

If there's any thing you would like to say, if not you're free to go

[And1AllDay]

3ball?


MJ's chip had him 47th place out of 50 FMVPs for assists and 45th out of 50 among FMVPs in rebounds.

Why?

If there's any thing you would like to say, if not you're free to go

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[SpaceJam2]

Soup can Finals opponents

No wonder he won :lol

[Overdrive]

He wins FMVP over Wade? What was Wade's?

I'll wait

No, but he wins the finals. I know you rather take the loss than winning with no FMVP.

[3ball]

3ball?


MJ's chip had him 47th place out of 50 FMVPs for assists and 45th out of 50 among FMVPs in rebounds.

Why?

If there's any thing you would like to say, if not you're free to go
#1 for portion of team points tho .

scoring is more important and MJ scored a bigger portion of his team's points than anyone ever.. and the most in the clutch (goat clutch)

:pimp:

[And1AllDay]

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]Ok? LeBron put up the same 34ppg in 2017 as MJ did in 1998

Except LeBron also averaged 12 rebounds and 10 assists, compared to MJs 4 rebounds and 2 assists :eek:



Too bad we can

[And1AllDay]

Soup can Finals opponents

No wonder he won :lol

https://i.postimg.cc/x16S2qMb/giphy.gif

[3ball]

Ok? LeBron put up the same 34ppg in 2017 as MJ did in 1998

Except LeBron also averaged 12 rebounds and 10 assists, compared to MJs 4 rebounds and 2 assists :eek:



Too bad we can’t hold MJ to the true goat standard (which is why you’re ok with such shitty rebounding/assisting numbers
lebron's 34 ppg was garbage because his team scored 27 more ppg than mj's bulls (115 to 88).. MJ averaged 41 when his bulls scored that much (93' Finals).. :confusedshrug:

Furthermore, Lebron scored 34 but gave up 35

And his assists came at the expense of teammates and the team, which was massively out-assisted by the warriors and outplayed

In short, lebron was a low-scoring, stat-padding, defensive siv

Take that L bud.. how it feel.. :oldlol:

[SpaceJam2]

2ball melt

https://i.postimg.cc/9M44VSKZ/236236.gif

What was Jordans best Finals opponent? :lol

[superduper]

bump

[pauk]

Which Finals series does Jordan win only averaging 18 ppg

Is he capable of that with only 14 FGA and no FTA? While also letting Pippen sabotaging him because its "his team".

[And1AllDay]

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]Ok? LeBron put up the same 34ppg in 2017 as MJ did in 1998

Except LeBron also averaged 12 rebounds and 10 assists, compared to MJs 4 rebounds and 2 assists :eek:



Too bad we can

[And1AllDay]

Is he capable of that with only 14 FGA and no FTA? While also letting Pippen sabotaging him because its "his team".

:applause: :applause:

[SpaceJam2]

https://i.postimg.cc/wBLQqPp4/AlongCameScottie.jpg

[3ball]

Every Finals if he played lockdown defense and scored a record 38% of his team's points - 38% would equal:

30 ppg in 2007 Finals (lebron got 22)

35 ppg in 2011 Finals (17)

35 ppg in 2014 Finals (28)

36 ppg in 2015 Finals (gave up MVP to 7 ppg role player)

44 ppg in 2017 Finals (34)

38 ppg in 2018 Finals (34)


Keep in mind that the 98' Finals was a slower pace than Lebron ever played

Now how many Finals would MJ win by NOT hitting the big shot, being a net negative or averaging 23 ppg on 43% thru 6 games?
.

[And1AllDay]

https://i.postimg.cc/wBLQqPp4/AlongCameScottie.jpg

Shit

:roll: :roll:

[Big164]

Who cares? He loses 6 of them anyway.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[And1AllDay]

:roll: :roll: :roll:


https://i.postimg.cc/XJycJYCb/BannedFan.png

:yaohappy: :yaohappy:

[SpaceJam2]

https://i.postimg.cc/XJycJYCb/BannedFan.png

:yaohappy: :yaohappy:


:eek: :eek:

[SpaceJam2]

Which of his 9 Finals does he win averaging those stats?

None.

Only trash can teams would let anyone get away with that.

[3ball]

None.

Only trash can teams would let anyone get away with that.
how many Finals would MJ win by NOT hitting the big shot


- No shot in 91' to send Game 3 into OT - Lakers get 2-1 lead with the next 2 in LA

- No game-winners in game 1 of the 97' Finals, or go-ahead shot with 25 seconds in flu game, or series-clinching assist to Kerr (so the jazz win the series easily)

- no game-winner in 98' Finals (game 7 in Utah)

- no deflating and1 over Barkley to clinch game 4 (so the series is tied 2-2 instead of 3-1... and that series was dead even WITH mj making that shot, i.e. both teams averaged 113.0 ppg and 106.7 drtg)


I actually left out a few, like a game-winning assist to Longley in one of the games

So how many wins without these clutch shots??? (that lebron never hit in the championship, despite 9 Finals)

And how many Finals wins while being a net negative, or averaging 16 on 39% thru 3 games, or 23 ppg on 43% thru 6?

I'll wait... And don't run from my post in the "backcourt sidekick Pippen" thread baby boy.. :pimp:
.

[SpaceJam2]

lebron's 34 ppg was garbage because his team scored 27 more ppg than mj's bulls (115 to 88).. MJ averaged 41 when his bulls scored that much (93' Finals).. :confusedshrug:

Furthermore, Lebron scored 34 but gave up 35

And his assists came at the expense of teammates and the team, which was massively out-assisted by the warriors and outplayed

In short, lebron was a low-scoring, stat-padding, defensive siv

Take that L bud.. how it feel.. :oldlol:

Sorry for what I am about to unleash, but you earned it. Horrace Grant was MJ

[And1AllDay]

[QUOTE=SpaceJam2]Sorry for what I am about to unleash, but you earned it. Horrace Grant was MJ

[Bawkish]

Uh oh 3 ball silent yikes looks like a new thread coming maybe

LOL "3rd option ORTG"

what's next, 6th man VORP? :lol

[FireDavidKahn]

Mind you this was with a 6'1 Payton guarding him. I wonder what numbers he would put up versus Draymond, Iggy, Klay :eek: 31% on 23 ppg (DeMar Derozan status)
Just let some random banker guard MJ and he is guaranteed to lose.

[paksat]

all of them

[SpaceJam2]

all of them

Umm..

https://i.postimg.cc/rpdKksKG/Anothrerone.jpg

[SpaceJam2]

LOL "3rd option ORTG"

what's next, 6th man VORP? :lol

How is that not relevant?

[SpaceJam2]

all of them

Wrong

[SpaceJam2]

Only 1 player in NBA history won a FMVP with 4 reb and 2 assists

https://i.postimg.cc/d018kqZ3/MJ-4-reb-2-ass.png

Anyone?

[Overdrive]

How is that not relevant?

What's Dahntay Jones' 2016 Finals ORTG, Tristan Thompson's? Most stacked team ever.

[TheCorporation]

What's Dahntay Jones' 2016 Finals ORTG, Tristan Thompson's? Most stacked team ever.

3rd option was Dahntay Jones? Sounds like someone didn't watch the Finals :lol

Must be a 3ball alt :lol

[Overdrive]

3rd option was Dahntay Jones? Sounds like someone didn't watch the Finals :lol

Must be a 3ball alt :lol


So the 8th option had a higher ORTG than MJ's 3rd? Really the most stacked team ever. You're too dense to play this game. Sorry.

[TheCorporation]

So the 8th option had a higher ORTG than MJ's 3rd? Really the most stacked team ever. You're too dense to play this game. Sorry.

Volume
Sample size

Stay. in. school.

No, seriously. Finish high school.

[TheCorporation]

[QUOTE=SpaceJam2]Sorry for what I am about to unleash, but you earned it. Horrace Grant was MJ

[The Iron Fist]

Volume
Sample size

Stay. in. school.

No, seriously. Finish high school.
Hows this for sample size?

9 tries
6 fails
33%

[Elosha]

Is there a inverse correlation between the level of LeBron's lack of success (failing to make the playoffs) and the Simon alts desperation? Seems to be. Guys, give it up and go enjoy the playoffs.

[Overdrive]

Volume
Sample size

Stay. in. school.

No, seriously. Finish high school.



Read this, slowly.

So? Doesn't beat my statement. Lebron's 8th option had a higher ORTG. You can only debunk it by "but volume". Grant was a low volume guy himself and I already told you guys that he was basically Tristan Thompson with a reliable jumper back then and oh look they share similar ORTG. That's the nature of those garbagemen type players. They convert alot of put backs and open transition dunks.

It's always the same with you stans. You cite stats without context. Better stats are brought up then you start with "but context". When the context kills your arguments you revert back to "but stats". You can't win. Don't you get a headache from this bs?

I finished "high school" long ago, you should leave your pinoy hut someday.

[SpaceJam2]

So? Doesn't beat my statement. Lebron's 8th option had a higher ORTG. You can only debunk it by "but volume". Grant was a low volume guy himself and I already told you guys that he was basically Tristan Thompson with a reliable jumper back then and oh look they share similar ORTG. That's the nature of those garbagemen type players. They convert alot of put backs and open transition dunks.

It's always the same with you stans. You cite stats without context. Better stats are brought up then you start with "but context". When the context kills your arguments you revert back to "but stats". You can't win. Don't you get a headache from this bs?

I finished "high school" long ago, you should leave your pinoy hut someday.

https://i.postimg.cc/8krqsSKd/Pipbatman.jpg

[3ball]

What Finals does MJ win by averaging 16 on 39% thru 3 games, or 23 on 43 thru 6, or being a net negative for the series, or NOT hitting the big shot, or being successfully exploited for a broke jumper?

Lebron won doing all of these things in 2013 Finals...

#LeFraud.. he didn't deserve it in 2013, and needed 2 bailouts by Kyrie and Silver to win in 2016

[SpaceJam2]

Which Finals series?

[The Iron Fist]

Which Finals series?
http://i63.tinypic.com/20qyjvm.jpg

[SpaceJam2]

https://i.postimg.cc/8krqsSKd/Pipbatman.jpg

Anyone?

[GimmeThat]

The free agent/front office series

[34-24 Footwork]

http://i63.tinypic.com/20qyjvm.jpg

:lol :lol

[And1AllDay]

Which series

[And1AllDay]

Game 6 MJ shoots a pathetic 5/19 (26%) and the Bulls still win by double digits

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199606160CHI.html

:eek: :eek:

[3ball]

Which series
All of them if he was the scoring threat that MJ was, and developed the dynasty teamwork that MJ did, and had MJ's defense and clutch

Now how many Finals does MJ win averaging 17 ppg like lebron in 2011, or 22 like lebron in 07', or letting his man get FMVP (numerous), or being a net negative like lebron in 13'??

And you probably want to say "but lebron lost those Finals"..... EXACTLY - his shit performance is why he lost.. MJ never played that bad so he always won

And how many Finals does MJ make averaging 22 ppg like Lebron in 14' ECF, or if pippen was outscoring him like Wade in 11'??

Finally, when did lebron win a Finals with his 2nd option getting 15 ppg on 34% and 42% like pip in 96' and 98:??. Only MJ has the scoring ability to make up for it and the dynasty teamwork

[SpaceJam2]

All of them if he was the scoring threat that MJ was, and developed the dynasty teamwork that MJ did, and had MJ's defense and clutch

Now how many Finals does MJ win averaging 17 ppg like lebron in 2011, or 22 like lebron in 07', or letting his man get FMVP (numerous), or being a net negative like lebron in 13'??

And you probably want to say "but lebron lost those Finals"..... EXACTLY - his shit performance is why he lost.. MJ never played that bad so he always won

And how many Finals does MJ make averaging 22 ppg like Lebron in 14' ECF, or if pippen was outscoring him like Wade in 11'??

Finally, when did lebron win a Finals with his 2nd option getting 15 ppg on 34% and 42% like pip in 96' and 98:??. Only MJ has the scoring ability to make up for it and the dynasty teamwork

https://i.postimg.cc/8krqsSKd/Pipbatman.jpg

[Gileraracer]

https://i.postimg.cc/8krqsSKd/Pipbatman.jpg

Meanwhile Lebron can't even lead his team to the playoffs :roll:

[SpaceJam2]

Meanwhile Lebron can't even lead his team to the playoffs :roll:

Why did Jordan only make 6 Finals

[TheCorporation]

https://i.postimg.cc/8krqsSKd/Pipbatman.jpg


Just the facts

Anyone?

[PickernRoller]

Which Finals would Bran make playing out West? :confusedshrug:
https://i.ibb.co/smJtXWv/Ronnie.jpg

[TheCorporation]

Which series please? Thanks 😎👌

[Overdrive]

Which series please? Thanks 😎👌

For the 46137894th time: '07 and '11 if he scores 33,5ppg. Nobody needs his uncontested rebounds.

[TheCorporation]

For the 46137894th time: '07 and '11 if he scores 33,5ppg. Nobody needs his uncontested rebounds.


4 reb and two assists?

Not a chance


Try again

[TheCorporation]

Which Finals series does LeBron win if he only averages 4 rbs and 2 assists?

[paksat]

Which Finals series does LeBron win if he only averages 4 rbs and 2 assists?

none because he'd be busy throwing up 40-50 bricks a game

remember when he went through that whole "I can score a lot more if I wanted to brigade?"

how many points did he score after getting ready to show off?? Come on don't let us down :roll:

[Gileraracer]

Since he lost 66% of his finals anyway i don't think it would get better.

[TheCorporation]

none because he'd be busy throwing up 40-50 bricks a game

remember when he went through that whole "I can score a lot more if I wanted to brigade?"

how many points did he score after getting ready to show off?? Come on don't let us down :roll:


LBJ: 34-12-10 on 54%

MJ: 33-4-2 on 44%

I think we're done here :lol

[3ball]

LBJ: 34-12-10 on 54%

MJ: 33-4-2 on 44%

I think we're done here :lol
34 of 115

or

34 of 87?



Which one is goat (the highest ever)?

[And1AllDay]

34 of 115

or

34 of 87?



Which one is goat (the highest ever)?

Why did Mike only get to six Finals tho :confusedshrug:

I thought he was very dominating or so I heard

[3ball]

Why did Mike only get to six Finals tho :confusedshrug:

I thought he was very dominating or so I heard

You're asking me why MJ only won 6 conference finals

Fair question

But why did Lebron only win 3 Finals? Isn't it better to win the Finals than the conference finals?


And here's 3 traditional reasons why MJ won 6 conference finals:


1) lebron's conference allowed weak teams to win the conference, while MJ's conference required great teams - only the 00's East allowed 5 weak teams to make the Finals and they all got destroyed in the Finals - that's never happened before in any conference except the 00's East.

2) 1) MJ didn't team-hop.

3) It was harder to get a high seed in MJ's conference - but he never lost with a 1 or 2 seed (6-0), while lebron and everyone else lost 5+ times each with 1 or 2 seeds - so MJ was the more unbeatable player with a squad

[Gus Hemmingway]

You're asking me why MJ only won 6 conference finals

Fair question

But why did Lebron only win 3 Finals? Isn't it better to win the Finals than the conference finals?


And here's 3 traditional reasons why MJ won 6 conference finals:


1) lebron's conference allowed weak teams to win the conference, while MJ's conference required great teams - only the 00's East allowed 5 weak teams to make the Finals and they all got destroyed in the Finals - that's never happened before in any conference except the 00's East.

2) 1) MJ didn't team-hop.


3) It was harder to get a high seed in MJ's conference - but he never lost with a 1 or 2 seed (6-0), while lebron and everyone else lost 5+ times each with 1 or 2 seeds - so MJ was the more unbeatable player with a squad



How did Jordan win a Finals with 4 rebounds and 2 assists

[TheCorporation]

How did Jordan win a Finals with 4 rebounds and 2 assists

How did he win a Finals with 4 reb and 2 assists?

Behold, Exhibit A


https://i.postimg.cc/kgcsK6qw/No-Pip-No-Chip.jpg

Exhibit A

[3ball]

.
KJ won 53-55 games with the Suns from 89-92', which includes making the 89' WCF and demolishing Magic's favored Lakers to make the 90' WCF..

indeed, Barkley was added to a 55-win team

KJ could carry teams better because he led Pippen in usage (finishing plays) and assist percentage (finding the finisher).. Here's their other stats:



RS

KJ:.. 17.9.. 3.3.. 9.1.. 58.5 ts.. 118 ortg.. 20.7 PER.. 0.178 ws/48
Pip:. 16.2.. 6.4.. 5.2.. 53.6 ts.. 108 ortg.. 18.6 PER.. 0.146 ws/48


PO

KJ:.. 19.3.. 3.3.. 8.9.. 55.7 ts.. 113 ortg.. 19.1 PER.. 0.117 ws/48
Pip:. 17.5.. 7.6.. 5.0.. 52.4 ts.. 108 ortg.. 18.4 PER.. 0.140 ws/48


Similarly, Jordan carried Pippen by finishing more plays (usage) and finding the finishers (assist %):



91-93' Playoffs

MJ (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 34 on 52%.. 6.6 apg.. 2.9 TO.. 31.1 ast%.. 36.1 usg.. 120 ortg.. 29.5 PER
Pip (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 20 on 47%.. 6.1 apg.. 3.4 TO.. 23.3 ast%.. 24.9 usg.. 109 ortg..19.6 PER


96-98' Playoffs

MJ (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 31.4 on 45.9%.. 4.1 apg.. 2.3 TO.. 22.3 ast%.. 35.1 usg.. 118 ortg.. 27.3 PER
Pip (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 17.6 on 40.8%.. 5.0 apg.. 2.7 TO.. 22.0 ast%.. 23.4 usg.. 109 ortg.. 19.0 PER


Goat scoring load, team-leading passer, goat defender at position, goat clutch = GOAT (easily)
.

[paksat]

How did Jordan win a Finals with 4 rebounds and 2 assists

because he got buckets

because he's the GOAT

because nothing the alt army can say or do will ever change that

[TheCorporation]

How did he win a Finals with 4 reb and 2 assists?

Behold, Exhibit A


https://i.postimg.cc/kgcsK6qw/No-Pip-No-Chip.jpg

Exhibit A

?!

[3ball]

KJ won 53-55 games with the Suns from 89-92', which includes making the 89' WCF and demolishing Magic's favored Lakers to make the 90' WCF..

^^^That's better than pippen ever did... :coleman:



RS

KJ:.. 17.9.. 3.3.. 9.1.. 58.5 ts.. 118 ortg.. 20.7 PER.. 0.178 ws/48
Pip:. 16.2.. 6.4.. 5.2.. 53.6 ts.. 108 ortg.. 18.6 PER.. 0.146 ws/48


PO

KJ:.. 19.3.. 3.3.. 8.9.. 55.7 ts.. 113 ortg.. 19.1 PER.. 0.117 ws/48
Pip:. 17.5.. 7.6.. 5.0.. 52.4 ts.. 108 ortg.. 18.4 PER.. 0.140 ws/48



?!

Similarly, Jordan carried Pippen



91-93' Playoffs

MJ (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 34 on 52%.. 6.6 apg.. 2.9 TO.. 31.1 ast%.. 36.1 usg.. 120 ortg.. 29.5 PER
Pip (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 20 on 47%.. 6.1 apg.. 3.4 TO.. 23.3 ast%.. 24.9 usg.. 109 ortg..19.6 PER


96-98' Playoffs

MJ (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 31.4 on 45.9%.. 4.1 apg.. 2.3 TO.. 22.3 ast%.. 35.1 usg.. 118 ortg.. 27.3 PER
Pip (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 17.6 on 40.8%.. 5.0 apg.. 2.7 TO.. 22.0 ast%.. 23.4 usg.. 109 ortg.. 19.0 PER


No one ever scored that much more than their 2nd option to win rings AND equaled them in assists
.

[TheCorporation]

LOL

Didn't Scottie Pippen average 21/8/7 for three straight finals while providing better defense than Jordan :lol

GOAT 2nd option

[3ball]

LOL

Didn't Scottie Pippen average 21/8/7 for three straight finals while providing better defense than Jordan :lol

GOAT 2nd option

Pippen was only good for 3 seasons next to MJ (91-93') - he was bad in every series for the other 7 years (88-90 and 95-98'):



1988 PLAYOFFS:. 10.0 on 46.5%

1989 PLAYOFFS:. 13.1 on 46.2% (9.7 on 40.4% in ecf)

1990 ECF. vs. DET:. 16.6 on 42.8% (2 pts, 1-10 in game 7)

1992 ECSF vs NYN:. 16.0 on 40.2%

1994 ECSF vs NYN:. 21.7 on 40.5%

1995 ECSF vs ORL:. 19.0 on 40.9%

1996 ECSF vs NYN:. 15.6 on 33.0%
1996 FINAL vs SEA:. 15.7 on 34.3%

1997 RD 1 vs WAS:. 16.7 on 38.3%
1997 ECF. vs. MIA:. 16.8 on 41.7%

1998 ECFS vsN IND:. 16.6 on 39.2%
1998 FINAL vs UTA:. 15.7 on 41.0%


Pippen's stats during 96-98' playoffs - 17 on 40.8%



It's hard on the eyes, ain't it .. :roll:

It's like, how the hell did MJ win 6;rings with that hot garbage, ??.. :yaohappy:

[TheCorporation]

Pippen was only good for 3 seasons next to MJ (91-93') - he was bad in every series for the other 7 years (88-90 and 95-98'):



1988 PLAYOFFS:. 10.0 on 46.5%

1989 PLAYOFFS:. 13.1 on 46.2% (9.7 on 40.4% in ecf)

1990 ECF. vs. DET:. 16.6 on 42.8% (2 pts, 1-10 in game 7)

1992 ECSF vs NYN:. 16.0 on 40.2%

1994 ECSF vs NYN:. 21.7 on 40.5%

1995 ECSF vs ORL:. 19.0 on 40.9%

1996 ECSF vs NYN:. 15.6 on 33.0%
1996 FINAL vs SEA:. 15.7 on 34.3%

1997 RD 1 vs WAS:. 16.7 on 38.3%
1997 ECF. vs. MIA:. 16.8 on 41.7%

1998 ECFS vsN IND:. 16.6 on 39.2%
1998 FINAL vs UTA:. 15.7 on 41.0%


Pippen's stats during 96-98' playoffs - 17 on 40.8%



It's hard on the eyes, ain't it ..

It's like, how the hell did MJ win 6;rings with that hot garbage, ??.. :yaohappy:
When you face 10.7 ppg #2 options that helps :lol

So does having Rodman, Grant, Kukoc, Kerr and Pippen..

Oh and some Phil Jackson guy

[3ball]

When you face 10.7 ppg #2 options that helps :lol

So does having Rodman, Grant, Kukoc, Kerr and Pippen..

Oh and some Phil Jackson guy

Rodman wasn't an offensive player and he made the bulls play 4 on 5 offensively IN ADDITION to pippen's anemic offense shown earlier - so MJ had to carry the biggest load ever (scoring champ for all his rings, plus team-leading apg or close)

And Rodman was only on the 2nd three-peat - so he never played with grant, who was a 12 ppg play-finisher similar to Tristan Thompson or Kevon Looney..

Ultimately, guys like grant, kukoc, and kerr are players every team has....for example:



Kerr < Rodney Hood or Derrick Rose (bron teammate).. maybe even Shane Battier or M Miller

kukoc < all-defense varejao (10') or Ray Allen or Korver or even Crowder....

89-93' Grant is less than the following 3rd options: 15' Mosgov, 10' Mo, 10' Shaq, 05' Drew Gooden.... and he's equal or barely better than Birdman, Haslem, Tristan, or 09' Zydrunas


Again, guys like grant, kukoc, and kerr are players every team has - ur ignorantly propping up role players because you never watched so you don't know how ridiculous it is, and also because you simply can't find actual stars on the bulls' roster!!!!!!!... :yaohappy:...

Oh how annoyed you must've been when you first looked up this so-called goat team you heard about - the look on your face when you realized there were only a couple stars and a bunch of replaceable... stiffs... let's be honest... that MJ elevated and was most valuable in winning 6 rings.. ah yes, the facts are a wonderful thing to have on your side..

[ImKobe]

LOL

Didn't Scottie Pippen average 21/8/7 for three straight finals while providing better defense than Jordan :lol

GOAT 2nd option

GOAT 2nd option? That would be 2017-19 Curry.

Though you could argue Magic in some of those Lakers runs or Big O with Kareem when they won.

[TheCorporation]

GOAT 2nd option? That would be 2017-19 Curry.

Though you could argue Magic in some of those Lakers runs or Big O with Kareem when they won.

Minimum of 3 runs so no

Should I bump the thread?

[Turbo Slayer]

Bro Jordan would have NEVER won without Pip. Pip was an all-time great perimeter defender. His offense is underrated only because he was in Mike's shadow. In 1994-5 and 1995-6 Pip scored an average of 22.2 points. I get Mike is a cold assassin on the court. WE all get that stuff. But to say Pip trash? Man, I don't know.:confusedshrug:

[3ball]

Bro Jordan would have NEVER won without Pip. Pip was an all-time great perimeter defender. His offense is underrated only because he was in Mike's shadow. In 1994-5 and 1995-6 Pip scored an average of 22.2 points. I get Mike is a cold assassin on the court. WE all get that stuff. But to say Pip trash? Man, I don't know.:confusedshrug:
https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-22-2019/9GzeoV.gif

[And1AllDay]

Is Mike even top 5 at this point? I can make a case to slide him out soon

Bran
Kirby
Magic
Kareem
Curry
Mike 6th? :confusedshrug:

[bullettooth]

Is Mike even top 5 at this point? I can make a case to slide him out soon

Bran
Kirby
Magic
Kareem
Curry
Mike 6th? :confusedshrug:

Hi Wheels!

https://i.postimg.cc/cL8PHH0p/wheels.gif

[SpaceJam2]

Hi Wheels!

https://i.postimg.cc/cL8PHH0p/wheels.gif

Add me to the goat posters list too :rockon:

And why do you keep saying "Wheels" arent you the one in a wheelchair?

[SpaceJam2]

Is Mike even top 5 at this point? I can make a case to slide him out soon

Bran
Kirby
Magic
Kareem
Curry
Mike 6th? :confusedshrug:

:eek:

[TheCorporation]

Is Mike even top 5 at this point? I can make a case to slide him out soon

Bran
Kirby
Magic
Kareem
Curry
Mike 6th? :confusedshrug:

You forgot Russell

That moves MJ to 7th

[And1AllDay]

LBJ: 34-12-10 on 54%

MJ: 33-4-2 on 44%

I think we're done here :lol

Uh....oh :eek:

[TheMan]

96 easily he shot like 30% from the field and the Bulls still won :oldlol:
What Finals does a supposed best player in the league win averaging 18 pts a game and 4 points in crunch time while getting yelled at by a teammate and looking like a lost little bitch :confusedshrug:

Answer the question please.

[paksat]

What Finals does a supposed best player in the league win averaging 18 pts a game and 4 points in crunch time while getting yelled at by a teammate and looking like a lost little bitch :confusedshrug:

Answer the question please.

you're coming around hun, you're coming around..

[TheMan]

you're coming around hun, you're coming around..
:cheers:

This forum is low IQ troll central...just gotta dumb it down for the dummies :lol

[And1AllDay]

:cheers:

This forum is low IQ troll central...just gotta dumb it down for the dummies :lol

Simple fax and questions

https://i.postimg.cc/wj650XHS/1557790886267.jpg

Is it unattainable and which Finals series does LeBron win if he only averages 4 rbs and 2 assists?

[And1AllDay]

Would he win 2016

[TheCorporation]

LBJ: 34-12-10 on 54%

MJ: 33-4-2 on 44%

I think we're done here :lol

Which series

[SpaceJam2]

Did we make a selection yet on which series

[SpaceJam2]

Did we make a selection yet on which series


2ball?

[3ball]

Which series
34 of 87 team points

or

34 of 115


I'll take the first one thanks

[SpaceJam2]

34 of 87 team points

or

34 of 115


I'll take the first one thanks

So MJ played a slower pace meaning he had more energy so he took his time on shot selection

FG% please?

THANKS :D

[3ball]

So MJ played a slower pace meaning he had more energy so he took his time on shot selection

FG% please?

THANKS :D
Nah, the defense was better

105 drtg compared to 115

And the game was a lot more physical and more draining..fg% is only relevant to how he shot versus the teams in that series

[SpaceJam2]

Nah, the defense was better

105 drtg compared to 115

And the game was a lot more physical and more draining..fg% is only relevant to how he shot versus the teams in that series

nah, wrong.

LBJ: 34/12/10 on 54%

MJ: 33/4/2 on 44%

Goodnight :pimp:

[SpaceJam2]

The Jordan Standard

4 rebs
2 assists

:lol

[TheCorporation]

The Jordan Standard

4 rebs
2 assists

:lol

:roll: :roll:

[SpaceJam2]

The Jordan Standard

4 rebs
2 assists

:lol

Anyone around?

[Gus Hemmingway]

The Jordan Standard

4 rebs
2 assists

:lol
:lol

[3ball]

Anyone around?

Stats needed to win:



Lebron 12/13/16 Playoffs - 27.2 ppg.. 7.2 apg
Jordan 91/92/93 Playoffs - 33.7 ppg.. 6.6 apg

Lebron 12/13/16 Finals - 28 ppg.. 8 apg
Jordan 91/92/93 Finals - 36 ppg.. 8 apg


MJ did much more to win than Lebron.. :confusedshrug:

[Gus Hemmingway]

Stats needed to win:



Lebron 12/13/16 Playoffs - 27.2 ppg.. 7.2 apg
Jordan 91/92/93 Playoffs - 33.7 ppg.. 6.6 apg

Lebron 12/13/16 Finals - 28 ppg.. 8 apg
Jordan 91/92/93 Finals - 36 ppg.. 8 apg


MJ did much more to win than Lebron.. :confusedshrug:

Rebounds and assists?

[3ball]

Rebounds and assists?

APG was equal and MJ's points > Lebron's rebounds::



Lebron 12/13/16 Playoffs - 27.2 ppg.. 7.2 apg
Jordan 91/92/93 Playoffs - 33.7 ppg.. 6.6 apg

Lebron 12/13/16 Finals - 28 ppg.. 8 apg
Jordan 91/92/93 Finals - 36 ppg.. 8 apg


MJ did much more to win than Lebron.. :confusedshrug

[Gus Hemmingway]

APG was equal and MJ's points > Lebron's rebounds::



Lebron 12/13/16 Playoffs - 27.2 ppg.. 7.2 apg
Jordan 91/92/93 Playoffs - 33.7 ppg.. 6.6 apg

Lebron 12/13/16 Finals - 28 ppg.. 8 apg
Jordan 91/92/93 Finals - 36 ppg.. 8 apg


MJ did much more to win than Lebron.. :confusedshrug


What if you just compare their 6 best Finals series vs each other?


Lebron: 31/10/8 on 50%


Jordan: 33/6/6 on 47%



LeBron simply was better in the Finals :confusedshrug:

[SpaceJam2]

What if you just compare their 6 best Finals series vs each other?


Lebron: 31/10/8 on 50%


Jordan: 33/6/6 on 47%



LeBron simply was better in the Finals :confusedshrug:

Another landslide victory I see

[And1AllDay]

What if you just compare their 6 best Finals series vs each other?


Lebron: 31/10/8 on 50%


Jordan: 33/6/6 on 47%



LeBron simply was better in the Finals :confusedshrug:

and now we get silence :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

so which finals series again?

[3ball]

so which finals series again?
None because his skillset and style were inferior, so he isn't making up that production elsewhere, like scoring burden, leadership, teamwork, defense, or clutch

[TheCorporation]

None because his skillset and style were inferior, so he isn't making up that production elsewhere, like scoring burden, leadership, teamwork, defense, or clutch

Even though he is a better

Defender
In the clutch
Leader

:lol

Next

[Dom213]

Which of his 9 Finals does he win averaging those stats?
Imagine averaging a triple double in a series and being swept. Empty $tat$

[72-10]

impressive, really:applause:

was it the triangle?

was he the scorer in the triangle?

[superduper]

This thread is literally proof that Bran stans have no idea what basketball is and think it's played on paper.

Thanks OP

[Duncan21formvp]

Probably wins them all had he not hogged the ball and pounded into the floor for 20 seconds of the shot clock every possession. I mean when you lose with HCA to Dwight Howard a year you win MVP than you aren't that good.

[Turbo Slayer]

None because his skillset and style were inferior, so he isn't making up that production elsewhere, like scoring burden, leadership, teamwork, defense, or clutch hell nah. U idiotic. Jordan the GOAT and Lebron is top 5 GOAT. Lebron is a leader. He takes on the scoring. No teamwork?Oh hell nah. Defense. Lebron locked Rose down. Respect to Rose tho. Hes my man. Clutch? More clutch than Jordan. 3ball, sit yr ass down and eat some thc. U way to biased.

[TheCorporation]

hell nah. U idiotic. Jordan the GOAT and Lebron is top 5 GOAT. Lebron is a leader. He takes on the scoring. No teamwork?Oh hell nah. Defense. Lebron locked Rose down. Respect to Rose tho. Hes my man. Clutch? More clutch than Jordan. 3ball, sit yr ass down and eat some thc. U way to biased.

:applause:


BIG THIS

[And1AllDay]

Which of his 9 Finals does he win averaging those stats?

did we get an answer?


freeee dnk goat level poster

[8Ball]

None

I agree wholeheartedly.

[3ba11]

If he could carry his team like Jordan, then he'd win all of them with 4 rebounds and 2 assists

[Axe]

If he could carry his team like Jordan, then he'd win all of them with 4 rebounds and 2 assists
If he got himself someone as useful as pippen, who would have known what would've happened.

[3ba11]

If he got himself someone as useful as pippen, who would have known what would've happened.


The Bulls won the 93' title and the 2nd three-peat IN SPITE of pippen, who had 3 of the 7 worst true shooting performance runs ever for a winning sidekick, and averaged a pathetic 17/7/5 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs (15.7 on 40% in 2 Finals)

which Finals does Lebron win with his sidekick getting those numbers?

but don't worry about the facts... carry on with the bullshit you heard on espn..

[Axe]

The Bulls won the 93' title and the 2nd three-peat IN SPITE of pippen, who had 3 of the 7 worst true shooting performance runs ever for a winning sidekick, and averaged a pathetic 17/7/5 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs..

which Finals does Lebron win with his sidekick getting those numbers?

but don't worry about the facts... carry on with the bullshit you heard on espn though..
The very same espn who also contributed to the mundane last dance documentary? Interesting. ;)

[3ba11]

The very same espn who also contributed to the mundane last dance documentary? Interesting. ;)


It's funny that the Last Dance is considered subjective, when it literally followed the Bulls around - Pippen quitting in 94' actually happened... it was on tape... Pippen getting surgery during the 98' season actually happened.. it was on tape..

Lebron couldnt' win 50 games with Pippen and would get him traded.. Look at all the guys that cratered on his watch (Ingram, Kuzma, Clarkson, Jamison, Hughes, Bosh - like 80 pippen's cratered under Lebron)

[And1AllDay]

which finals?

[8Ball]

which finals?

To be real LeBron would have to average 40 ppg on high efficiency, 55% or 60% to make up for the rebounds and playmaking lost. He could do it but its not the optimal way to play basketball.

Or the other team has to be quite bad offensively on a historical basis.


The difference between Jimmy Butler 2020 and Devin Booker 2021 is clear as day. They average the same number of points almost, but one dominated the game in many more ways.

[3ba11]

which finals?


all of them if he could carry a team like MJ - carry-jobs are about SCORING - no one ever carried a team with rebounds or assists

[And1AllDay]

all of them if he could carry a team like MJ - carry-jobs are about SCORING - no one ever carried a team with rebounds or assists

wrong:oldlol: fuming :oldlol:

try again

which series?

[3ba11]

wrong:oldlol: fuming :oldlol:

try again

which series?


the ones where he scored 38% of his team's points

or averaged 5 ppg in clutch points for the series.

or hit a game-winner in the Finals

anytime lebron does any of these things, he wins.. so that's a bunch right?.. oh wait...