How much better is James Harden than peak Kobe Bryant?

[Smoke117]

Discuss. :confusedshrug:

[k0kakw0rld]

Discuss. :confusedshrug:
How many championships or finals appearances for Haren? :confusedshrug:

[lilteapot]

not applicable

[HylianNightmare]

Offensively because of the nonsense that he has helped create he's much better at drawing fouls and getting free throws Kobe was a much better mid-range shooter it seems hard and is a better 3-point shooter but at the same time Kobe was so much better defensively that I would take Prime Kobe over the Flopper 100 times out of a hundred

[superduper]

Bran stans always defend Bran by saying "playoffs!! Finals!!! FMVP!!!!!!!!!!"

But of course the agenda is flipped when comparing anyone to Kobe :lol

We can never keep our LeTard logic consistent.. I think that makes us retarded :(

[imdaman99]

Lol this is common thought on Reddit... but I don't buy it. Harden for all his gifts is missing something.

[SouBeachTalents]

Even if you despise his game, you can't hate on what Harden's doing right now, shit is utterly ridiculous. But I'm still waiting for this dude to prove this throughout the duration of a playoff run, something nearly a decade into his career he's failed to do as of yet

[yeaaaman]

What is it about Harden that makes him better than Kobe?

[r0drig0lac]

-30%

[LAmbruh]

Harden and it's not even close

[Overdrive]

Harden and it's not even close

How much better? Harden.

[kennethgriffen]

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[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The same amount he is better than peak LeBron James.

Give or take.

[Smoke117]

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[tpols]

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[Smook A.]

Lol this is common thought on Reddit... but I don't buy it. Harden for all his gifts is missing something.
A ring. That's it

[Dray n Klay]

By the same difference peak Kobe is better than Peak Demar Derozan

[Real14]

:biggums:

[Smoke117]

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[34-24 Footwork]

Kobe thread in the midst of the 2019 NBA Finals :pimp:

[Wally450]

Harden doesn

[TheMan]

Discuss. :confusedshrug:
LMAO

Nice troll game bruh :cheers:

[72-10]

He's not. Kobe didn't go for egregious cheating during his career.

[SamuraiSWISH]

He's not. Kobe didn't go for egregious cheating during his career.
This. OP hates the best players like Jordan and Kobe. The most respectable ones mind you competitively. Well, Bird and West too. Wade lost his with the collusion Super Friends Era.

[Kblaze8855]

He has better handles and a better outside shot...hes also a better passer...while being worse on defense by a couple miles....worse midrange...a worse athlete...a worse post player....so generally being less reliable. They can both create a shot at will but Kobe isnt gonna bail you out by being predictable letting you play him one way. As unstoppable as it is when it keeps dropping....id rather have to plan to defend harden stepback spamming and carbon copy drives into the floater/lob to Capela combo.

Hes effective but he plays like a video game player who mastered 2 really effective things and cant or wont change for the situation.

If you play up on Kobe hes going by. Have help D there...hes pulling up. Play him with someone small and quick...hes gonna punish on the block. Someone big and strong...he backs them out and takes them off the dribble or shoots over if they play off.

Harden might eventually win a title if he has a year where he gets hot at the right time of the west playoffs because you cant stop him shooting stupid stepbacks...just hope he misses. But make or miss hes not the nightmare Kobe is.

Throw in the defense and its not even that close.

Kobe did benefit from the league going soft on the rules but not to anywhere near the extent Harden does now. 01-10 Kobe in 2019 would be an extinction level event of explosive.

[72-10]

He has better handles and a better outside shot...hes also a better passer...while being worse on defense by a couple miles....worse midrange...a worse athlete...a worse post player....so generally being less reliable. They can both create a shot at will but Kobe isnt gonna bail you out by being predictable letting you play him one way. As unstoppable as it is when it keeps dropping....id rather have to plan to defend harden stepback spamming and carbon copy drives into the floater/lob to Capela combo.

Hes effective but he plays like a video game player who mastered 2 really effective things and cant or wont change for the situation.

If you play up on Kobe hes going by. Have help D there...hes pulling up. Play him with someone small and quick...hes gonna punish on the block. Someone big and strong...he backs them out and takes them off the dribble or shoots over if they play off.

Harden might eventually win a title if he has a year where he gets hot at the right time of the west playoffs because you cant stop him shooting stupid stepbacks...just hope he misses. But make or miss hes not the nightmare Kobe is.

Throw in the defense and its not even that close.

Kobe did benefit from the league going soft on the rules but not to anywhere near the extent Harden does now. 01-10 Kobe in 2019 would be an extinction level event of explosive.

DON'T FORGET THOSE FREE THROWS. JAMES HARDEN, LIKE THE WARRIORS, IS REALLY GOOD AT MAKING FREE THROWS, MAN. PLUS, I MEAN, THEY REALLY DID A LOT TO EARN THEM, DIDN'T THEY? YEAH, SO CLEARLY FOULED.

[34-24 Footwork]

hes also a better passer

Are you going just by the numbers?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Idk if he has better handles honestly. Harden over dribbles. Kobe had sick handles and crossovers.

I remember when he made all world defenders in their prime fall or stumble, IE Spreewell and Shawn Marion.

[34-24 Footwork]

Idk if he has better handles honestly. Harden over dribbles. Kobe had sick handles and crossovers.

I remember when he made all world defenders in their prime fall or stumble, IE Spreewell and Shawn Marion.


I'm trying to see where this "better passer" thing comes from. Hard to tell whose truly a good passer in this era. How many passes are made in traffic these days?

Nash
Kobe
Tmac
MJ
Penny
Kidd


All these guys knew how to dish in crowds. We don't see that anymore due to the space/pace era.

[sammichoffate]

I'm trying to see where this "better passer" thing comes from. Hard to tell whose truly a good passer in this era. How many passes are made in traffic these days?

Nash
Kobe
Tmac
MJ
Penny
Kidd


All these guys knew how to dish in crowds. We don't see that anymore due to the space/pace era.Higher Assists =/= Better Passer. Westbrook is not a better passer than CP3 for example, there's a cutoff point.

[34-24 Footwork]

Higher Assists =/= Better Passer. Westbrook is not a better passer than CP3 for example, there's a cutoff point.

Exactly...


I'm trying to think of a legit BETTER passer than Kobe at the 2 position.

[paksat]

This f'n trolling has gotta stop

it's just

kobe camp
mj camp
L39ron camp

this entire forum is a disgrace

[FKAri]

Exactly...


I'm trying to think of a legit BETTER passer than Kobe at the 2 position.
Ginobli

[sammichoffate]

Exactly...


I'm trying to think of a legit BETTER passer than Kobe at the 2 position.MJ is p comparable, but Kobe's assist totals and actual ability is at the top.

[And1AllDay]

Kobe by a mile

Defense :applause: 9x all NBA defensive 1st team


in my sig for a reason

[Kblaze8855]

Harden can pass like a point. Not just the highlights and dumpoffs. Hes a pretty clean passer. Real nice in the pick and roll. Hes a bitch and all that....but I cant in all honestly say he doesnt have nasty handles and really good passing. He had that even before he started playing like a disgrace.

[Kblaze8855]

Exactly...


I'm trying to think of a legit BETTER passer than Kobe at the 2 position.


Harden and Manu are both pretty easy to think of. Manu especially.

Kobe was no better a passer than a lot of 2s we dont care about. Brent Barry could pass like Kobe. Wade too. Wade was nice.

[Keno]

harden is individually better in all aspects than kobe. cold hard facts.

[PeroAntic]

op is a joke

[ILLsmak]

James Harden is a bitch and a choker. If he wasn't they'd be in the finals. Gottem.

When comparing the best players u don't only look at their skill sets. U look at their mental make up. It Harden was a killer like kobe was, he might actually be a comparable player. That's real shit. But he's not. Thus he goes home early every year after putting up great stats in rs. And let's not act like his team isn't talented enough.

-Smak

[andgar923]

Kobe today would be averaging 45pts per game with ease.

Kids these days.:facepalm

Harden does nothing better than Kobe. If you play Kobe with the same rules the same way Harden is played he'd body the league on Wilt-like proportions.

[bigkingsfan]

Kobe today would be averaging 45pts per game with ease.

Kids these days.:facepalm

Harden does nothing better than Kobe. If you play Kobe with the same rules the same way Harden is played he'd body the league on Wilt-like proportions.
No he wouldn't gramps.

[superduper]

harden is individually better in all aspects than kobe. cold hard facts.

FMVP...?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[ClipperRevival]

Thread backfire for OP. :roll:

You can't even put Harden in the same tier as Kobe. Yeah, I said it. Screw advanced analytics. I use my eyes. Harden has no triple threat game, no mid-range game, no post game. His offense is limited. Kobe had the full arsenal. And I don't even like Kobe. But he just had way more in his tool box than that flopper.

[red1]

harden is trash I'd take kobe any day.


better offense player and obviously a better defender.

[imdaman99]

Smoke I have no idea why you would bump this thread after we find out CP3 got beef with Harden in the locker room? :kobe:

I don't know the legitimacy of that though, supposedly Chris Paul was pissed that Harden was half-assing it on plays not drawn for him.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Smoke I have no idea why you would bump this thread after we find out CP3 got beef with Harden in the locker room? :kobe:

I don't know the legitimacy of that though, supposedly Chris Paul was pissed that Harden was half-assing it on plays not drawn for him.

Smoke is a glutton for punishment.

Everytime his hero (not the one he advertises) takes an L, we get FRESHLY baked meltdowns.

His pain is all but palpable.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Smoke is a glutton for punishment.

Everytime his hero (not the one he advertises) takes an L, we get FRESHLY baked meltdowns.

His pain is all but palpable.
You can smell the liquor on his breathe THROUGH ish

[Keno]

Kobe today would be averaging 45pts per game with ease.

Kids these days.:facepalm

Harden does nothing better than Kobe. If you play Kobe with the same rules the same way Harden is played he'd body the league on Wilt-like proportions.

what harden are you watching? :oldlol:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Kobe is a better scorer and defender. Thus the better player. Clearly.

[Smoke117]

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[CTbasketball92]

He has better handles and a better outside shot...hes also a better passer...while being worse on defense by a couple miles....worse midrange...a worse athlete...a worse post player....so generally being less reliable. They can both create a shot at will but Kobe isnt gonna bail you out by being predictable letting you play him one way. As unstoppable as it is when it keeps dropping....id rather have to plan to defend harden stepback spamming and carbon copy drives into the floater/lob to Capela combo.

Hes effective but he plays like a video game player who mastered 2 really effective things and cant or wont change for the situation.

If you play up on Kobe hes going by. Have help D there...hes pulling up. Play him with someone small and quick...hes gonna punish on the block. Someone big and strong...he backs them out and takes them off the dribble or shoots over if they play off.

Harden might eventually win a title if he has a year where he gets hot at the right time of the west playoffs because you cant stop him shooting stupid stepbacks...just hope he misses. But make or miss hes not the nightmare Kobe is.

Throw in the defense and its not even that close.

Kobe did benefit from the league going soft on the rules but not to anywhere near the extent Harden does now. 01-10 Kobe in 2019 would be an extinction level event of explosive.

I really don't agree with the handles part. Kobe's handles were just sick. He could get anywhere he wanted with it and his footwork was amazing.

[Smoke117]

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[egokiller]

Game 5 of the finals just concluded and Kobe living rent free in Smoke's mind.

[ronniec]

Harden may be a better shooter than Kobe...
But he has zero defense... zero.

/thread.

[SwayDizzle]

Smoke is f ucking retarded. Off yourself you bag of sh it

[elementally morale]

Harden, James. Better. Than. Bryant, Kobe. :oldlol:

[Bronbron23]

Discuss. :confusedshrug:
Anyone who thinks harden is better than Kobe or any other top 20 player ever shouldn't be allowed to talk ball

[SpaceJam2]

Leaps and bounds

[DaHeezy]

Lol, random bump

[superduper]

Lol, random bump

In other words, timely insecurity.

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