5-10 no Lebron

[Gus Hemmingway]

Rondo back, still long dicked by Wiggins and Kat


Blown out by Knicks, Cavs, Wolves twice


Killed by Rockets and Nuggets missing half their team


30 point losses to GSW


The W's? vs Bulls, Pistons, Kings :lol



What a time to be a Lakers young core

[BigKobeFan]

We gave up a guy with the most grit for a guy who won't suit up cuz his puss hurts

[LAmbruh]

Lakers are who we knew they were, trash



Not even remotely close to 35 win caliber without Lopez + Randle



I'm not even mad anymore, this is comedic

[Duncan21formvp]

They would had been 2-13 with Lebron during this stretch

[TheCorporation]

Lakers are who we knew they were, trash



Not even remotely close to 35 win caliber without Lopez + Randle



I'm not even mad anymore, this is comedic

https://i.postimg.cc/nc06jLTT/Screenshot-20190124-223316-Phonto.jpg

[Gus Hemmingway]

https://i.postimg.cc/nc06jLTT/Screenshot-20190124-223316-Phonto.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/wMVTsdbJ/gbkjhghldyjrtfgyj.jpg

[TheCorporation]

https://i.postimg.cc/wMVTsdbJ/gbkjhghldyjrtfgyj.jpg

100 :cheers:

[3ball]

https://i.postimg.cc/nc06jLTT/Screenshot-20190124-223316-Phonto.jpg
What's the Lakers record with kuzma, ingram, and lonzo together?

[Gus Hemmingway]

What's the Lakers record with kuzma, ingram, and lonzo together?
35-47

[TheCorporation]

What's the Lakers record with kuzma, ingram, and lonzo together?

https://i.postimg.cc/d1Gpsxbk/Screenshot-20190124-225448-Phonto.jpg

[3ball]

https://i.postimg.cc/d1Gpsxbk/Screenshot-20190124-225448-Phonto.jpg
I think it's 5-5 and would've been 6-5 if lonzo hadn't gone down

So a 45-win pace without lebron.. consider the 89' bulls, who won 47 with MJ.. obviously, MJ would have another dynasty with this team, which boasts 3 players > 89' pippen

[TheCorporation]

I think it's 5-5 and would've been 6-5 if lonzo hadn't gone down

So a 45-win pace without lebron.. consider the 89' bulls, who won 47 with MJ.. obviously, MJ would have another dynasty with this team, which boasts 3 players > 89' pippen

The 1994 Bulls won 55 games WITHOUT Michael Jordan
The 2019 Cavs are on pace for 16 wins

[3ball]

The 1994 Bulls won 55 games WITHOUT Michael Jordan
The 2019 Cavs are on pace for 16 wins
18' Cavs might not be 2nd round caliber in the West and declining, whereas the bulls were 3-peat champs and still ascending

Pretty big gap

[LAmbruh]

I think it's 5-5 and would've been 6-5 if lonzo hadn't gone down

Lonzo's only missed 2 games, we've lost 10 and played 15 :hammerhead: :oldlol:



https://media.giphy.com/media/BmmfETghGOPrW/giphy.gif

[3ball]

Lonzo's only missed 2 games, we've lost 10 and played 15 :hammerhead: :oldlol:



https://media.giphy.com/media/BmmfETghGOPrW/giphy.gif
The point remains that MJ would have another dynasty with this team, which boasts 3 players > 89' pippen

[The Iron Fist]

Teams with lebron

6 finals losses

[TheCorporation]

18' Cavs might not be 2nd round caliber in the West and declining, whereas the bulls were 3-peat champs and still ascending

Pretty big gap


55 > 16

Now THAT'S a pretty big gap

[The Iron Fist]

55 > 16

Now THAT'S a pretty big gap
So is this one

6-0
3-9

[TheCorporation]

So is this one

6-0
3-9

1/10

So is THAT one

[The Iron Fist]

1/10

So is THAT one
Is that your ratio of successfully meeting females?

[Gileraracer]

We need more help for Lebron asap!!!!

[3ball]

55 > 16

Now THAT'S a pretty big gap
That's the gap between 3-peat and 2nd round

And also the gap in teamwork, since all we did was remove MJ and lebron, whose stats are comparable

Oh wait... the 2nd option Kevin Love has also been removed, along with his 20/10 and elite 0.185 win share.. that's a lot of contribution to wins, so the gap isn't all teamwork, it's a lot of talent too, like a 20/10 all-star 2nd option

Oh wait.. the Cavs also lost their offensive system, lebron-ball, so they have to install a whole new system. Too bad they didn't run an equal-opportunity, ball movement system that could continue without skipping a beat
.

[Uncle Drew]

That's the gap in teamwork, since all we did was remove MJ and lebron, whose stats are comparable

Oh wait... the 2nd option Kevin Love has also been removed, along with his 20/10 and elite 0.185 win share.. that's a lot of contribution to wins, so the gap isn't all teamwork, it's a lot of talent too, like a 20/10 all-star 2nd option

Oh wait.. the Cavs also lost their offensive system, lebron-ball, so they have to install a whole new system. Too bad they didn't run an equal-opportunity, ball movement system that could without skipping a beat
Hey man, when is that Lakers run coming you promised us?

[3ball]

1/10

So is THAT one


Why you never respond to this post


Regular Season

MJ. 85-87' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1985-1987-sum:per_game):. 31.7 ppg.. 2.0 oreb.. 3.6 dreb.. 5.0 apg.. 2.6 spg.. 1.2 bpg.. 57.1 ts.. 27.8 PER
LBJ 06-08' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2006-2008-sum:per_game):. 27.2 ppg.. 1.2 oreb.. 5.9 dreb.. 7.1 apg.. 1.4 spg.. 1.0 bpg.. 56.3 ts.. 27.2 PER..


^^^Yet MJ's teams only got the 8 seed, while lebron got the 2 seed and a couple 4 seeds.

And MJ's stats are deflated by his injured 86' season (18 games at 25 mpg)



Playoffs

MJ. 85-87' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1985-1987-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 35.5 ppg.. 1.9 oreb.. 4.4 dreb.. 6.9 apg.. 2.4 spg.. 1.5 bpg.. 56.0 ts.. 27.4 PER
LBJ 06-08' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2006-2008-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 27.5 ppg.. 1.4 oreb.. 6.6 dreb.. 7.3 apg.. 1.6 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 53.1 ts.. 23.8 PER..


^^^Yet MJ lost in the 1st round and Lebron made Finals... :lebronamazed:... :lebronamazed:

Obviously, lebron's teams made up his statistical deficit to MJ with a better cast, as one would expect from a 2 seed versus an 8 seed. . MJ's 8 seeds compare better with lebron's 9 seeds from 05'

[3ball]

Hey man, when is that Lakers run coming you promised us?
They had a couple 2 game win streaks cut short by injury

Regardless,

Rondo, Kuzma, Ingram > 89' Pippen, so MJ would have another dynasty with these guys

[TheCorporation]

Hey man, when is that Lakers run coming you promised us?

Any day now :lol :lol

[3ball]

Any day now :lol :lol
Too many injuries.. :confusedshrug:

But Rondo, Kuzma, Ingram > 89' Pippen, so MJ would have another dynasty with these guys..

It's funny how you won't accept the evidence - lebron clearly needs more supporting talent to offset his reduction of teamwork and various teammates

He needed guys at 3rd option that were better than half the league's 1st options .. :roll:

He asked for more playmaking help in 17' with kyrie standing right next to him, then gets super-sensitive and personal in a battle with Barkley over it.. :roll:

[TheCorporation]

We need more help for Lebron asap!!!!

I'll just take one order of 55-win without me team and a side of GOAT coach, GOAT rebounder, and GOAT perimeter defender and a sprinkle of 10.7 ppg #2 option. That's all I need :confusedshrug:

[Uncle Drew]

They had a couple 2 game win streaks cut short by injury

Regardless,

Rondo, Kuzma, Ingram > 89' Pippen, so MJ would have another dynasty with these guys
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Lakessss]

Too many injuries.. :confusedshrug:

But Rondo, Kuzma, Ingram > 89' Pippen, so MJ would have another dynasty with these guys..

It's funny how you won't accept the evidence - lebron clearly needs more supporting talent to offset his reduction of teamwork and various teammates

He needed guys at 3rd option that were better than half the league's 1st options .. :roll:

He asked for more playmaking help in 17' with kyrie standing right next to him, then gets super-sensitive and personal in a battle with Barkley over it.. :roll:
How many elite defensive players did the Bulls have minus Jordan? Now how many do the Lakers or Cavs have?

What

[Mr. Jabbar]

Lebron shines when he doesn't play, remarkable :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

bro i thought they got their groove now?


stupidity of folks never ceazes to amaze

[ImKobe]

bro i thought they got their groove now?


stupidity of folks never ceazes to amaze

They did, then they lost Lonzo..

LeStans should be rooting for the Lakers to win, so their King could pile up more Playoff totals.

[Ben Simmons 25]

3ball I know at least 3 other usernames you post on. Hmmm... carry on with the trolling... the 3ball account is by far the most upkept of the 4.

[3ball]

What’s Phil Jackson’s record compared to Luke Walton?


We're talking about 1989, and Phil wasn't the coach in 1989 - he hadn't coached a single NBA game - no one had heard of him

Otoh, Luke was coach of the 73-win warriors for half the season and went 39-4, better than Phil ever did, let alone in 1989 before he ever coached a single game

Again, these Lakers have 3 guys > 89' pippen and much better coaching, and also better rim protection than MJ ever had





Who was the Bulls toughest competition? Are they superior to the vastly increased powerhouses in the league today stacked with multiple all stars on the team? And I’m not even talking about GSW lol

.
Lebron's Heat were the only super-team during their time

In recent years, only his Cavs and Warriors were super-teams

Since 2011, the only teams with 3+ perennial all-stars has been lebron's heat/cavs and the warriors... :confusedshrug:... So lebron has no excuse for not flirting with 70 wins and dominant favorites like curry and kawhi did in 16'

Essentially, MJ 3-peated with just 1 HOF, while lebron needed 2 - lebron needed a lot more help (super-team help, which only 1 other team had)





How many elite defensive players did the 89' Bulls have minus Jordan? Now how many do the Lakers or Cavs have?


In 1989, the bulls had zero elite defensive players other than jordan

Whereas the Lakers have good rim protection (Chandler and McGee) - MJ never had that on ANY of his teams, and the Lakers also have veteran defender rondo, who is better than anyone the bulls had in 89'

Btw, it's been proven that the Heat and Cavs' bad defense was nearly all lebron - no spur or warrior scored more than 2 points above their RS average in the 14/15/17/18 Finals except Iggy (8.5 over normal average), kawhi (5.0), and durant (10.1).. also McGee (4.0)... So don't complain about D when lebron's man is the only guy getting off.. :rolleyes:





All you bring up is offense when making these dumb accusations. Which is also ironic considering the Lakers offense without Lebron has been terrible. Must be the cancerous Lebron ball system that was implemented before he had even joined the team right?


Lebron's offenses have never been all-time great, despite having super-team talent (HOF's at 3rd option)..

The heat peaked at #62 all-time (an utter joke), while his recent Cavs peaked at #26 and #46 all-time - again, that's a joke when you received the league's 2nd team PF to be your THIRD option.. :facepalm
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[Uncle Drew]

Lakers about to miss the playoffs:
> “Injuries or not, no excuses for LeBron”

So why aren’t the Lakers winning without him:
> “Injuries man... Rondo, Kuzma, McGee, Ball :(“

[ronniec]

Let's be honest here...

Lebron >>>>> Rondo for sure.

However, the team runs smoother as a team when Rondo executes the play as main ball handler/PG.
Everybody gets involved.

FACTS that you can't check from the stat sheet.

[3ball]

[QUOTE=Uncle Drew]Lakers about to miss the playoffs:
>

[tamaraw08]

3ball I know at least 3 other usernames you post on. Hmmm... carry on with the trolling... the 3ball account is by far the most upkept of the 4.

Oh really? Please enlighten us.

[Uncle Drew]

Lebron should still win without rondo

Kuzma can't be expected to win without rondo AND ball (both PG's) and mcgee
Which is exactly what LeBron was doing, hence 4 seed. Ball has only been out for two games, which was the exact same moment Rondo returned. :oldlol: McGee has been back in action for almost a month. :roll:

I

[3ball]

Which is exactly what LeBron was doing, hence 4 seed. Ball has only been out for two games, which was the exact same moment Rondo returned. :oldlol: McGee has been back in action for almost a month. :roll:

I’m looking forward to your next excuse.
No excuse needed

When Kuzma, Ball and Ingram all played, the Lakers are basically a .500 team

And tbh, these Lakers have 4 guys better than 89' pippen if we include ball and how he was playing before he got hurt... And of course better coaching and defense than the 89' bulls

[Uncle Drew]

No excuse needed

When Kuzma, Ball and Ingram all played, the Lakers are basically a .500 team

And tbh, these Lakers have 4 guys better than 89' pippen if we include ball and how he was playing before he got hurt... And of course better coaching and defense than the 89' bulls
They were on pace for a 33 win season. Basically .500 indeed lmaoooo.

[3ball]

They were on pace for a 33 win season. Basically .500 indeed lmaoooo.
The 89' bulls without MJ were worse

These Lakers have 3-4 guys > 89' Pippen, so MJ would win the ring this year and have a dynasty.. :confusedshrug:

[AirBonner]

The 89' bulls without MJ were worse

These Lakers have 3-4 guys > 89' Pippen, so MJ would win the ring this year and have a dynasty.. :confusedshrug:
Who are those 4 guys? what is their defense like?

[3ball]

Who are those 4 guys? what is their defense like?
pippen wasn't a great defender in 89'

Any notion to the contrary is simply false.. he was a scrawny, 2nd year player that was getting abused each and every night

[egokiller]

55 > 16

Now THAT'S a pretty big gap

6 finals losses vs 6 finals wins is a big gap.

Stop stanning 6 time finals losers. RRR3 learned, and so can you.

[3ball]

55 > 16

Now THAT'S a pretty big gap
The 18' Cavs' were one of the worst Finals teams ever that lost lebron and their 2nd option (a 20/10 all-star)

whereas the bulls were 3-peat caliber and only lost jordan

Big difference

Obviously, any team will fall off when they lose their top TWO players, especially if they're already in rebuild mode after record defeat

[TheCorporation]

The 18' Cavs' were one of the worst Finals teams ever that lost lebron and their 2nd option (a 20/10 all-star)

whereas the bulls were 3-peat caliber and only lost jordan

Big difference

Obviously, any team will fall off when they lose their top TWO players, especially if they're already in rebuild mode after record defeat

Okay 3 ball, a few things my guy.

-Love is not a 20/10 guy (he averaged 17.6/9.3 last year) Please stop blatantly false narratives
-Love played 4 games and they lost all 4 which means there were even worse with Love
-In those 4 games played the Cavs lost by a margin of 15

Shore up these falsehoods and then we can proceed. :facepalm

[Gus Hemmingway]

They did, then they lost Lonzo..


https://i.postimg.cc/7YzZCbW0/tyjtgjtgjgtj.jpg

[3ball]

Okay 3 ball, a few things my guy.

-Love is not a 20/10 guy (he averaged 17.6/9.3 last year) Please stop blatantly false narratives
-Love played 4 games and they lost all 4 which means there were even worse with Love
-In those 4 games played the Cavs lost by a margin of 15

Shore up these falsehoods and then we can proceed. :facepalm
Love is a 20/10 player and has been his whole career

If you want to come with that realgm ignorance, there's no discussion to be had

We both know he played next to lebron, and that's always bad for forwards (Bosh, Jamison, Crowder, Hood, Kuzma, Ingram)

[Hey Yo]

Love is a 20/10 player and has been his whole career

If you want to come with that realgm ignorance, there's no discussion to be had

We both know he played next to lebron, and that's always bad for forwards (Bosh, Jamison, Crowder, Hood, Kuzma, Ingram)
So if it's always bad for forwards to play with LeBron, then that means the Cavs and Heat were never superteams to begin with, correct?

If they play bad, then how can it be considered a superteam?

[3ball]

So if it's always bad for forwards to play with LeBron, then that means the Cavs and Heat were never superteams to begin with, correct?

If they play bad, then how can it be considered a superteam?
Anytime a top 4 pf becomes your THIRD option - that's a super-team... And if Lebron diminishes the 3rd option - that's lebron's fault - curry doesn't reduce klay, bird/magic didn't reduce worthy/parish, etc, etc

the remarkable thing is that lebron duplicated his feat of acquiring a goat-level 3rd option when the league's 2nd team PF became his third option in 2015!!!! The only guy other than Kareem to average 26/13/4 was becoming a 3rd option

Again, it's lebron's fault that he couldn't flirt with 70 wins and have dominant favorites like curry and kawhi did.. lebron should've BEEN the dominant dynasty, but his style doesn't allow the ball movement required of dynasties, so he's left to bitch about "comp". It's a disgrace

[Hey Yo]

Anytime a top 4 pf becomes your THIRD option - that's a super-team... And if Lebron diminishes the 3rd option - that's lebron's fault - curry doesn't reduce klay, bird/magic didn't reduce worthy/parish, etc, etc

the remarkable thing is that lebron duplicated his feat of acquiring a goat-level 3rd option when the league's 2nd team PF became his third option in 2015!!!! The only guy other than Kareem to average 26/13/4 was becoming a 3rd option

Again, it's lebron's fault that he couldn't flirt with 70 wins and have dominant favorites like curry and kawhi did.. lebron should've BEEN the dominant dynasty, but his style doesn't allow the ball movement required of dynasties
Magic wasn't the go to scorer, ever. We never saw what McHale's numbers would have been if he didn't play with Bird for his first 7yrs and then played with him. Parish's minutes and FTA increased when he got to Boston.

Only dumb phucks think a guy who averages 20-10 or 25-12 is going to come in as 3rd option and still put up those numbers.

"LeBron makes them worse....... but they're a superteam"

you're a walking contradiction, chico.

[3ball]

Magic wasn't the go to scorer, ever. We never saw what McHale's numbers would have been if he didn't play with Bird for his first 7yrs and then played with him. Parish's minutes and FTA increased when he got to Boston.

Only dumb phucks think a guy who averages 20-10 or 25-12 is going to come in as 3rd option and still put up those numbers.

"LeBron makes them worse....... but they're a superteam"

you're a walking contradiction, chico.
If lebron makes them worse, then he prevents them from playing like a super-team, despite being one on paper and in everyone's mind..

Lebron teams and the warriors were the only teams with 3 perennial all-stars since 2011 - so it's lebron's fault that he couldn't flirt with 70 wins and have dominant favorites like curry and kawhi did.. lebron should've BEEN the dominant dynasty, but his style doesn't allow the ball movement required of dynasties, so he's left to bitch about "comp". It's a disgrace

McHale played like a HOF next to bird, and frequently led the celtics in various playoff series

Bosh and Love played like shit next to Lebron... So did Jamison, Crowder, Rose, Hood, Hughes, IT, and many more.. it's amazing the SHEER NUMBER of good players that got to see if they could fit next to the neediest star in NBA history

[bigkingsfan]

Ordan made the 95 Bulls worse

[StrongLurk]

Anytime a top 4 pf becomes your THIRD option - that's a super-team... And if Lebron diminishes the 3rd option - that's lebron's fault - curry doesn't reduce klay, bird/magic didn't reduce worthy/parish, etc, etc

the remarkable thing is that lebron duplicated his feat of acquiring a goat-level 3rd option when the league's 2nd team PF became his third option in 2015!!!! The only guy other than Kareem to average 26/13/4 was becoming a 3rd option

Again, it's lebron's fault that he couldn't flirt with 70 wins and have dominant favorites like curry and kawhi did.. lebron should've BEEN the dominant dynasty, but his style doesn't allow the ball movement required of dynasties, so he's left to bitch about "comp". It's a disgrace

The bolded is not true at all, Klay would put up 25+ a game easy if he was the first option, but his team would suck (just like Bosh's Raptors and Love's TWolves). Worthy was never on his own team as the number 1 option so clearly he would have more opportunities in that role (and Magic wasn't a scorer anyways). Parish is hard to say, he was always on the Celtics as well and fell in line.


Actually most of your post is pointless conjecture. But you really need to be called out on the bolded. You have to factor in the other player's "style" of play as well.

[3ball]

The bolded is not true at all, Klay would put up 25+ a game easy if he was the first option, but his team would suck (just like Bosh's Raptors and Love's TWolves). Worthy was never on his own team as the number 1 option so clearly he would have more opportunities in that role (and Magic wasn't a scorer anyways). Parish is hard to say, he was always on the Celtics as well and fell in line.


Actually most of your post is pointless conjecture. But you really need to be called out on the bolded. You have to factor in the other player's "style" of play as well.
Klay averages 20+, which lebron's 3rd options never did despite being better than Klay

Secondly, mcHale, worthy and klay played like a HOF next to bird/curry/magic and frequently led their teams

Whereas Bosh and Love played like shit next to Lebron... So did Jamison, Crowder, Rose, Hood, Hughes, IT, and many more.. it's amazing the SHEER NUMBER of good players that got to see if they could fit next to the neediest star in NBA history

[Mr. Jabbar]

Lebron shines best when he doesn't play, remarkable :oldlol:

[Nash]

Lebron shines best when he doesn't play, remarkable :oldlol:
copying same post twice on the same thread? Damn Jabbar, what happened to the great Jabbar from back in the day?

[ronniec]

If lebron makes them worse, then he prevents them from playing like a super-team, despite being one on paper and in everyone's mind..

Lebron teams and the warriors were the only teams with 3 perennial all-stars since 2011 - so it's lebron's fault that he couldn't flirt with 70 wins and have dominant favorites like curry and kawhi did.. lebron should've BEEN the dominant dynasty, but his style doesn't allow the ball movement required of dynasties, so he's left to bitch about "comp". It's a disgrace

McHale played like a HOF next to bird, and frequently led the celtics in various playoff series

Bosh and Love played like shit next to Lebron... So did Jamison, Crowder, Rose, Hood, Hughes, IT, and many more.. it's amazing the SHEER NUMBER of good players that got to see if they could fit next to the neediest star in NBA history

You guys still don't understand it.

Bird allowed McHale to be himself.
Bird's dominance did not affect his teammates performance.
Once night Bird could get 30/10/7, one night he would score/shoot less if his teammates were hot, and he went on to do more on other stuffs.
Sometimes he had more assist but less points/rebounds because the team needed him to facilitate more.
He did not average triple double because he did not need to.

On the other hand...

[bullettooth]

Lebron shines best when he doesn't play, remarkable :oldlol:

And drags other stars into embarrassment; Ben Wallace, Shaq, Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love....

How do you keep losing with that many all time greats?

[TheCorporation]

Love is a 20/10 player and has been his whole career

If you want to come with that realgm ignorance, there's no discussion to be had

We both know he played next to lebron, and that's always bad for forwards (Bosh, Jamison, Crowder, Hood, Kuzma, Ingram)

Kevin Love hasn't averaged 20/10 in the last five years and he has actually only done it three times in his 11 year career.

Wanna try this conversation again?

[TheCorporation]

5 and 10 without LeBron

B-b-b-b-b LeBron was still on the bench in street clothes so those losses still count against him!!!11!!!1!