Replace Brandon Ingraham with 2nd year Pippen

[Vino24]

How much better do the Lakers get?

[FKAri]

How much better do the Lakers get?
LeBron threepeats. Takes a break. Wins 2 superbowls. Comes back to threepeat again.

[zeerghit]

LeBron threepeats. Takes a break. Wins 2 superbowls. Comes back to threepeat again.
:roll:

[Vino24]

LeBron threepeats. Takes a break. Wins 2 superbowls. Comes back to threepeat again.
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :bowdown:

[Uncle Drew]

LeBron threepeats. Takes a break. Wins 2 superbowls. Comes back to threepeat again.
I think this is highly unlikely. You see, Dad Killer got banned by Stern. LeBron on the other hand doesn

[AirBonner]

8-peats

[3ball]

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They'd see massive drops in points and assists



2nd Year PPG:

Ingram 58th
Pippen 78th


2nd Year APG:

Ingram 63rd
Pippen 68th


So they'd be a lot worse simply because pippen was inferior to Ingram from HS thru year 2 in the NBA, and also because MJ isn't here to drive pippen's improvement after that

MJ was a 35-point assist target, which drove pippen's playmaking, and MJ also held pippen accountable on defense - pippen wouldn't have any of this alongside Lebron's ball-dominance and bad defense, so his development would be stagnated like Ingram's this year

[zeerghit]

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They'd see massive drops in points and assists



2nd Year PPG:

Ingram 58th
Pippen 78th


2nd Year APG:

Ingram 63rd
Pippen 68th


So they'd be a lot worse simply because pippen was inferior to Ingram from HS thru year 2 in the NBA, and also because MJ isn't here to drive pippen's improvement after that

MJ was a 35-point assist target, which drove pippen's playmaking, and MJ also held pippen accountable on defense - pippen wouldn't have any of this alongside Lebron's ball-dominance and bad defense, so his development would be stagnated like Ingram's this year
why u not making new ingram>pippen threads? what happened? reality hit you?

[AirBonner]

so just for shits I asked on realgm if Ingram was better than 89 Pippen. I'm literally being yelled at and banned :lol

[zeerghit]

so just for shits I asked on realgm if Ingram was better than 89 Pippen. I'm literally being yelled at and banned :lol
fair enough

[scuzzy]

so just for shits I asked on realgm if Ingram was better than 89 Pippen. I'm literally being yelled at and banned :lol
:roll:

[Uncle Drew]

so just for shits I asked on realgm if Ingram was better than 89 Pippen. I'm literally being yelled at and banned :lol
Link to the thread? :lol

[AirBonner]

Link to the thread? :lol
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1795321

[3ball]

why u not making new ingram>pippen threads? what happened? reality hit you?
I already made the point that Ingram > pippen his entire career until lebron arrived

This is obvious fact and I'd be happy to make more threads if you like and repost the stats and data again

89' pippen was garbage a player - but MJ turned him into a star by being a 30-point assist target (off-ball player) to develop pippen's passing, while also teaching / holding him accountable on defense

Pippen wouldn't get any of this alongside lebron's ball-dominance and matador defense, so he'd stagnate like Ingram this year.. :confusedshrug:.. it's simple and intuitive

And I could care less what realgm or any media outlet says, because they're always wrong, and I'm always right.. i get proven right all the time, and they're always proven wrong

[FKAri]

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1795321

Is Jennifer Aniston better than Joel Embiid(at basketball)?

A better question is Ingram vs. 2019 Pippen.

God no, wtf

:roll: :roll: :roll:
A dose of reality for 3ball

[AirBonner]

I already made the point that Ingram > pippen his entire career until lebron arrived

This is obvious fact and I'd be happy to make more threads if you like and repost the stats and data again

89' pippen was garbage a player - but MJ turned him into a star by being a 30-point assist target (off-ball player) to develop pippen's passing, while also teaching / holding him accountable on defense

Pippen wouldn't get any of this alongside lebron's ball-dominance and matador defense, so he'd stagnate like Ingram this year.. :confusedshrug:.. it's simple and intuitive

And I could care less what realgm or any media outlet says, because they're always wrong, and I'm always right.. i get proven right all the time, and they're always proven wrong
This is literally the only site left that allows you to thrive at being wrong :lol

[TheCorporation]

How much better do the Lakers get?

Wait, you're giving Lebron a 21-8-8 guy with elite perimeter defense? You mean LeBron doesn't have to play alongside J.R. Smith and Mo Williams any longer? Well sheesh, let's lock up the next three chips boys :pimp:

[bullettooth]

[QUOTE=Uncle Drew]I think this is highly unlikely. You see, Dad Killer got banned by Stern. LeBron on the other hand doesn

[Gus Hemmingway]

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1795321
https://media.giphy.com/media/FKhKMphSgp1Ac/giphy.gif

[3ball]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
A dose of reality for 3ball
When has realgm been right about anything?

Now when have I been right?

I called out today's soft-ass, spaced out game in 2013 and realgm banned me.

NOW ITS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT TODAY'S GAME IS A JOKE - everything I said in 2013 and 2014 is now standard knowledge

I probably got the time of possession stat taken off NBA.com, because I was once again ahead of the game by exposing it

realgm is an extension of ESPN.. are you seriously propping up realgm and the puppets on that site?

it's funny to me that people who haven't clue about basketball watch and follow it so closely. Then someone like me comes on there and says some shit that's 5 years ahead of it's time - I get banned - then in 5 years, everyone is saying the same shit that I said 5 years ago, AS IF THEY CAME UP WITH IT.. :roll: .. like, humans are a joke

[TheCorporation]

How many finals has LeBron lost?

How many gambling bets has Jordan lost :eek:

[AirBonner]

Ingram was better than pippen his entire career of HS, college, draft and thru 2 NBA seasons. 89' pippen was garbage a player - but MJ turned him into a star by being a 30-point assist target (off-ball player) to develop pippen's passing, while also teaching / holding him accountable on defense

Realgm:
You have no clue what you're talking about.
:oldlol: :oldlol:

[3ball]

Realgm:
:oldlol: :oldlol:
No actual argument against Ingram on realgm, just cherry-picked stats to match mine - no real basketball discussion

Ingram is 3rd or 4th option on this team and plays with a bunch of ball-dominators, while pippen had no competition for 2nd option, and was playing next to the goat off-ball assist target.

A pretty big difference, but you won't hear that on realgm... Because they're dumb and don't know anything about basketball... Off-ball? assisted rate? What's that?.. :roll:

Then there's the skill gap - Ingram is a better ball-handler than pippen ever was, and better shooter at the same stage.. and Ingram is 21 years and 4 months, whereas pippen was shit until he was 24-25

But carry on ignoramuses.. I'll continue calling things right and you guys keep tracking realgm and being wrong and not knowing shit

[TheCorporation]

No actual argument against Ingram on realgm, just cherry-picked stats to match mine - no real basketball discussion

Ingram is 3rd or 4th option on this team and plays with a bunch of ball-dominators, while pippen had no competition for 2nd option, and was playing next to the goat off-ball assist target.

A pretty big difference, but you won't hear that on realgm... Because they're dumb and don't know anything about basketball... Off-ball? assisted rate? What's that?.. :roll:

Then there's the skill gap - Ingram is a better ball-handler than pippen ever was, and better shooter at the same stage.. and Ingram is 21 years and 4 months, whereas pippen was shit until he was 24-25

But carry on ignoramuses.. I'll continue calling things right and you guys keep tracking realgm and being wrong and not knowing shit

So you're saying Ingraham is better than Scottie Pippen?

Is this the same Pippen that pulled MJ from the 1/10 trenches?
Is this the same Pippen that put up 21-9-7 in '91 Finals?
Is this the same Pippen that put up 21-8-8 in '92 Finals?
Is this the same Pippen that put up 21-9-8 in '93 Finals?
Is this the same Pippen that has elite perimeter defense?

Or are you talking about some other Pippen?

Please respond

[Uncle Drew]

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1795321
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Uncle Drew]

3ball in shambles.

[zeerghit]

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1795321
:cheers: :applause:

[3ball]

So you're saying Ingraham is better than Scottie Pippen?

Is this the same Pippen that pulled MJ from the 1/10 trenches?


Nobody realizes this, but Hughes pulled Lebron from the lottery

Seriously, what changed from their 9 seed in 05', to their 4 seed and 50 wins in 06'?

Only the addition of a 22/5/5 steals champ and 1st team defender.. :confusedshrug:

Now do i think Hughes saved lebron's career? Obviously not - hughes represented less help than the best teams, and merely gave lebron the baseline help that ANY player needs to make the playoffs as a decent seed, just like pippen gave mj





So you're saying Ingraham is better than Scottie Pippen?


Until this year (year 3, the arrival of bron)... and Larry Hughes was better than 89' pippen too

Ur forgetting that Jordan's 36/6/7 got 8 seeds and 1-9, while lebron's 27/7/7 got 2 seeds and Finals runs because he had a better cast - this includes former all-stars and all-defense teammates like Hughes and Zydrunas...

89' MJ didn't have any all-stars, nor was 89' pippen capable of 22/5/5 and 1st team all-defense - pippen had to develop into that while lebron was gifted such a player.. :confusedshrug:





Is this the same Pippen that put up 21-9-7 in '91 Finals?
Is this the same Pippen that put up 21-8-8 in '92 Finals?
Is this the same Pippen that put up 21-9-8 in '93 Finals?
Is this the same Pippen that has elite perimeter defense?

Or are you talking about some other Pippen?



I'm talking about 89' Pippen

So before the goat assist target and defense attractor improved pippen's ppg and assist rankings ahead of ingram's
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[tamaraw08]

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They'd see massive drops in points and assists



2nd Year PPG:

Ingram 58th
Pippen 78th


2nd Year APG:

Ingram 63rd
Pippen 68th


So they'd be a lot worse simply because pippen was inferior to Ingram from HS thru year 2 in the NBA, and also because MJ isn't here to drive pippen's improvement after that

MJ was a 35-point assist target, which drove pippen's playmaking, and MJ also held pippen accountable on defense - pippen wouldn't have any of this alongside Lebron's ball-dominance and bad defense, so his development would be stagnated like Ingram's this year
might as well include Kobe's 2nd year stats, where does Kobe rank with his impressive 15 pts, 2 assists, 3 rebs during his 2nd year.:confusedshrug:
Again you are CONVENIENTLY IGNORING other factors like Pippen's GREAT DEFENSE,
Also Phil Jackson and Tex Winter triangle offense that reduced stats for other players other than the focal point. MJ put up great numbers before Phil and Tex but FAILED TO WIN.
Kobe and MJ tried to win without Phil and FAILED. Phil comes back and use the freaking Smush Parker and Kwame in his starting 5 and voila, they were in the playoffs.

[tamaraw08]

I already made the point that Ingram > pippen his entire career until lebron arrived

This is obvious fact and I'd be happy to make more threads if you like and repost the stats and data again

89' pippen was garbage a player - but MJ turned him into a star by being a 30-point assist target (off-ball player) to develop pippen's passing, while also teaching / holding him accountable on defense

Pippen wouldn't get any of this alongside lebron's ball-dominance and matador defense, so he'd stagnate like Ingram this year.. :confusedshrug:.. it's simple and intuitive

And I could care less what realgm or any media outlet says, because they're always wrong, and I'm always right.. i get proven right all the time, and they're always proven wrong
I suspected it before, but now it's official. You have lost your mind.:facepalm
How come MJ didn't "teach and developed" his Wizards teammates' passing and held them accountable on defense. :confusedshrug:

[3ball]

I suspected it before, but now it's official. You have lost your mind.:facepalm
How come MJ didn't "teach and developed" his Wizards teammates' passing and held them accountable on defense. :confusedshrug:
He was 40, and still improved them 18 wins, more than lebron did with the 12' Heat

Ultimately, MJ Improved a 19-win team to 30+ wins, just like rookie MJ and lebron did.. those are the only times either player inherited a team that bad..

(the 15' Cavs acquired the league's 2nd team PF, not just lebron, and they already had kyrie)

[And1AllDay]

He was 40, and still improved them 18 wins, more than lebron did with the 12' Heat

Ultimately, MJ Improved a 19-win team to 30+ wins, just like rookie MJ and lebron did.. those are the only times either player inherited a team that bad..

(the 15' Cavs acquired the league's 2nd team PF, not just lebron, and they already had kyrie)

Uhh

1993 57 wins
1994 55 wins

Mike is a +2 win impact kinda guy

[3ball]

Also Phil Jackson

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Phil wasn't the coach in 89' and had never coached before

Whereas Luke Walton coached the warriors to 39-4 in 2016, better than anything Phil ever did.. Luke has simply been shut down in LA because he can't run the Warriors' system with lebron





Again you are CONVENIENTLY IGNORING other factors like Pippen's GREAT DEFENSE,


Pippen wasn't a good defender in 89'





might as well include Kobe's 2nd year stats, where does Kobe rank with his impressive 15 pts, 2 assists, 3 rebs during his 2nd year.:confusedshrug:


Exactly

89' pippen compares to rookie Kobe, who wasn't good yet

I'd say that 2nd year Kobe was already better than 2nd year pippen though

Regardless, neither player was very good, just like ingram... Kobe would've been good regardless, whereas pippen needed MJ, just like ingram does

[3ball]

Uhh

1993 57 wins
1994 55 wins

Mike is a +2 win impact kinda guy
That's what happens when you build a good team over many years, rather than throwing a bunch of talent together and hoping it's enough

[And1AllDay]

Phil wasn't the coach in 89' and had never coached before

Whereas Luke Walton coached the warriors to 39-4 in 2016, better than anything Phil ever did.. Luke has simply been shut down in LA because he can't run the Warriors' system with lebron



Pippen wasn't a good defender in 89'



Exactly

89' pippen compares to rookie Kobe, who wasn't good yet

I'd say that 2nd year Kobe was already better than 2nd year pippen though

Regardless, neither player was very good, just like ingram... Kobe would've been good regardless, whereas pippen needed MJ, just like ingram does

Bruh in 1991 finals Pippen Scottie already had 21/9/8 :oldlol:

[3ball]

Bruh in 1991 finals Pippen Scottie already had 21/9/8 :oldlol:
That was 4th year pippen

By then, pippen's passing had improved by playing with the goat assist target, while his scoring/defense/toughness improved alongside the goat scorer/assassin and dpoy

Ingram gets none of this alongside Lebron's ball-domination, matador defense, weak repertoire, and beta shrinking.. Wade/Riley taught lebron how to win, so Ingram ain't picking up shit from lebron except how to stiff-arm
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[Gus Hemmingway]

RealGM making a MOCKERY of 3ball :oldlol:

[Uncle Drew]

I'm slightly disappointed Bonner didn't name him Ingraham.

[3ball]

RealGM making a MOCKERY of 3ball :oldlol:


That's easy to do when you won't let the person respond

If they did, I'd rip them a new asshole like I do to you guys on this site... they know this, so I get banned pretty quick.. they won't respond with clever, deflecting trolls like you guys, so they just ban

And it's not like I'm posting bullshit

I got banned for posting the time of possession stats, assisted rates and team assists - all stats that hadn't previously been posted or discussed - but I was banned - for posting DATA

Again, it's because they have no counterarguments and want to keep believing their bullshit about how losing is actually better than winning... :roll:

[zeerghit]

That's easy to do when you won't let the person respond

If they did, I'd rip them a new asshole.. they know this, so I get banned pretty quick

And it's not like I'm posting bullshit

I got banned for posting the time of possession stats, assisted rates and team assists - all stats that hadn't previously been posted or discussed - but I was banned - for posting DATA

Again, it's because they have no counterarguments and want to keep believing their bullshit about how losing is actually better than winning... :roll:
YES YOU ARE

[Gus Hemmingway]

i forgot about Laz's Top 10 list I posted last year on there :lol


similar results


https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1600571

[3ball]

YES YOU ARE


That's what people said in 2014 when I said the game was too easy for perimeter players

Now that's common knowledge

Or when I laughed at everyone for thinking IT would work with Lebron

Similarly, people think 89' pippen was a really good player and better than Ingram

He wasn't, but he played next to the perfect teammate, whose ball movement style, goat scoring, defense, and mentality grew pippen in these areas... Otoh, ingram's environment is the opposite of these things, so he's stagnating instead of growing like pip





YES YOU ARE



MJ made pippen, while lebron is destroying ingram:



- Where's ingram's goat assist target?

- Where's ingram's dpoy teacher and example?

- Where's ingram's teammate with goat repertoire and assassin mentality to learn from?


So how could he grow like Pippen did?... :biggums:

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[Nash]

so just for shits I asked on realgm if Ingram was better than 89 Pippen. I'm literally being yelled at and banned :lol
:roll: :roll: :roll:
reading that thread right now dying of laughter.

'Ingraham' and copy pasting 3ball's lunatic thread as answers by Gus :roll: :roll:

[3ball]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
reading that thread right now dying of laughter.

'Ingraham' and copy pasting 3ball's lunatic thread as answers by Gus :roll: :roll:
And yet the facts remain

Ingram has less assist and scoring capacity alongside the low-assisted, ball-dominant lebron than he'd have alongside the high-assisted, off-ball MJ.

And that's okay if you think the guys on realgm are knowledgeable, but I prefer Jerry West directly stating that MJ is better for ball movement than Lebron (here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TfpDYxq9K3U&t=24m05s) (24:35)), and Stu Jackson stating that today's game has devolved into a gimmicky, no D, 3-point shooting contest that smarter fans will soon bore of (here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WeH-bzt8ZAw&t=06m57s))..

let me know when you see those sound bites posted on realgm.. :oldlol:

Obviously, if we know a player is worse for ball movement, then that's a pretty good argument for why his teams aren't as good and don't fare as well on the championship level..

[tamaraw08]

He was 40, and still improved them 18 wins, more than lebron did with the 12' Heat

Ultimately, MJ Improved a 19-win team to 30+ wins, just like rookie MJ and lebron did.. those are the only times either player inherited a team that bad..

(the 15' Cavs acquired the league's 2nd team PF, not just lebron, and they already had kyrie)

MJ turned 40 and all of a sudden can NOT teach his teammates the art of passing and defense. :facepalm
Another BS take from you.

[tamaraw08]

That's what happens when you build a good team over many years, rather than throwing a bunch of talent together and hoping it's enough

who built that team again? MJ?:confusedshrug: the same guy who hired Hamilton and Doug Collins at Washington?

[zeerghit]

who built that team again? MJ?:confusedshrug: the same guy who hired Hamilton and Doug Collins at Washington?
and drafted kwame brown with 1st pick

[AirBonner]

Realgm:
Imagine thinking this question is worth a thread.
:lol :lol

[LAmbruh]

Realgm:
:lol :lol
oh we've witnessed the imagination for years :lol

[Rico2016]

:roll: :roll:

reading that thread right now dying of laughter.

'Ingraham' and copy pasting 3ball's lunatic thread as answers by Gus :roll: :

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Duncan21formvp]

Pippen becomes a scrub playing with Lebron.

[And1AllDay]

oh we've witnessed the imagination for years :lol

Yes we have :lol :oldlol: :cheers:

[Uncle Drew]

Bump for laughs. :roll: 3ball in shambles.