Shut down is over and not a penny for the wall

[Facepalm]

Trump getting cucked by Pelosi left and right.



We get to do this all over again in a few weeks

[highwhey]

agreement was reached for 3 weeks. better than nothing i guess.

[Facepalm]

agreement was reached for 3 weeks. better than nothing i guess.
After getting his shit pushed in after this last shutdown, I doubt he'll do it again. 35 days of economic pain for nothing. He's realized that he can't win a shutdown and will get the blame. He will threaten another shutdown, but more likely that he will try to declare a national emergency (that will get dragged through the courts) instead.

[highwhey]

After getting his shit pushed in after this last shutdown, I doubt he'll do it again. 35 days of economic pain for nothing. He's realized that he can't win a shutdown and will get the blame. He will threaten another shutdown, but more likely that he will try to declare a national emergency (that will get dragged through the courts) instead.
this dude never gets blamed for anything by his supporters even when he is to blame (like in this situation).

but i agree about him staying course with trying to get his wall. he's a sore loser and desperate.

[Facepalm]

this dude never gets blamed for anything by his supporters even when he is to blame (like in this situation).

but i agree about him staying course with trying to get his wall. he's a sore loser and desperate.
He can have his base, as long as the swing voters are lost he's toast.

[Akrazotile]

OP hates Trump and doesnt even know why.

Just NPC things.

[Hardtop Hero]

OP hates Trump and doesnt even know why.

Just NPC things.

Trump hates Lebron and doesn't even know why.

[Facepalm]

OP hates Trump and doesnt even know why.

Just NPC things.
Is everything ok Starface?

No wall of text today, something must have you off your game. Not enough razors sold this month? We're here for you sweetheart. ISH is Fam.

[SomeBlackDude]

https://d1w7fb2mkkr3kw.cloudfront.net/assets/images/book/lrg/9780/3454/9780345479174.jpg

4-d master :bowdown:


Chris Murphy
‏@ChrisMurphyCT

So Trump is agreeing to the EXACT SAME DEAL he rejected 35 days ago. What a debacle. I'm so so sorry, America.

i'm sure federal workers are thrilled they had to take on a second mortgage, pawn their valuables, and eat at soup kitchens over litrally nothing.

same exact deal that everyone agreed to over a month ago.

nancy, hold this w. :facepalm

[BigKobeFan]

This is smart on trumps end...now the next one, he can blame the democrats for the shutdown.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The question now is what Trump supporters think of this deal. Will Limbaugh criticize him for this or will they pat him on the back and let him lose in peace? If the far right comes down hard on him we'll be seeing something crazy, either Trump tries to use emergency powers to act like a king or another shutdown.

[Akrazotile]

Is everything ok Starface?

No wall of text today, something must have you off your game. Not enough razors sold this month? We're here for you sweetheart. ISH is Fam.


Your attempts at smack talking always come off so distinctly feminine :lol


Hashtag #ScreamAtTheSky

[Akrazotile]

https://d1w7fb2mkkr3kw.cloudfront.net/assets/images/book/lrg/9780/3454/9780345479174.jpg

4-d master :bowdown:



i'm sure federal workers are thrilled they had to take on a second mortgage, pawn their valuables, and eat at soup kitchens over litrally nothing.

same exact deal that everyone agreed to over a month ago.

nancy, hold this w. :facepalm

Considering how overpaid and under-important most of those positions are to begin with, I think the only people with much sympathy for them will be the #Scream@TheSky brigade.

And even those people dont care about the workers. They (and you) only care about Orange Man. Youre still bloodthirsty for intellectual vindication.

:confusedshrug:

[bladefd]

Even the Republicans initially had no money for the wall on a bipartisan basis. It was a budget plan agreed on by everyone including the Democrats.

Then Lil Donny woke up one early December morning, tuned to FauxNews and saw Democrats were going to take over the house & talking about subpoenas, Mueller investigation. Moron became shook and decided to revisit his wall idea to get the attention back on his narcissistic ass.

Once he realized the Democrats were not going to redo the budget plan & comply with his wall, he decided to push for shutdown. Days went by and nothing was going as planned. Moron didn't want to look as if he was the one who backed down so he kept shutdown going. Every week, his wall plans were changing in terminology and scope, hoping he could get something, anything even 10% of his original wall idea, so he could gloat to his fanbase "WE GOT THE WALL WE ALWAYS WANTED! WE OWN THE DEMOCRATS!!" ...even though the $5.7 billion would cover mere 200 miles and wouldn't even dent illegal immigration. But hey, what are facts to this moron president and his fanbase? :oldlol:

I bet you he is not done yet with his wall. No narcissist would ever back down completely. He will force the courts to get involved after declaring emergency in mid-February to get his wall money. Courts will get involved, but we know courts take a year to get any case through anyways. By that time, we will be going through caucuses for 2020 presidential election & Mueller report will be out, and this will all be forgotten. The wall will be in the rear mirror by then.

[SomeBlackDude]

Will Limbaugh criticize him for this or will they pat him on the back and let him lose in peace?

Rushhhhhhhhhh (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/01/17/limbaugh_on_shutdown_trump_can_win_this_if_he_hang s_on_public_opinion_will_shift_to_his_side.html)

https://i.postimg.cc/SRM80jG4/6074bc58d11a88f5b0b6171c31529e20-party-invitations-smiley-faces.jpg

[Real Men Wear Green]

Even the Republicans initially had no money for the wall on a bipartisan basis. It was a budget plan agreed on by everyone including the Democrats.
What's weird is how much he suddenly cares about it now that the Democrats have the House. Why didn't he get the Wall funded back when they had Congress and the Presidency?

[SomeBlackDude]

Considering how overpaid and under-important most of those positions are to begin with

the reason the emperor tucked tail and ran from nancy today was traffic coming to a standstill (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/nyregion/airports-shutdown-laguardia-faa.html) at major airports today due to a lack of air traffic controllers.

and the fbi director (maga appointed) spoke on how the shutdown affected his agency (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2019-01-25/fbi-director-shutdown-message-video).

also, the white house itself warned that a prolonged shutdown would lead to zero growth (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-23/white-house-says-zero-growth-possible-this-quarter-with-shutdown) and a possible recession.

boiled down-

https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGuhL4U2WyjdkaY/giphy.gif

[Facepalm]

Your attempts at smack talking always come off so distinctly feminine :lol


Hashtag #ScreamAtTheSky


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GracefulSlimyCur-small.gif

[bladefd]

Trump must be raging today.. Roger Stone arrest on same day he caves to the shutdown. :oldlol:

Things are not going well for this moron.

[Akrazotile]

The wall itself is a giant misdirection.

If you just ask people whether we need to stop the flow of illegal immigration, most people will say yes. Most people would agree.

And we cant have that. Immigrants work for cheap, vote big government, and supply children who join the military.

Soros, the Bush Cartel, the Koch Bros etc dont wanna put a stop to that.

So how can we make sure the debate stays framed in a way that everyone will disagree? Use

[NumberSix]

Trump supporters are definitely losing patience with him.

Republicans have the White House, the house and the senate for 2 years and you wait until the moment that you lose the house to finally insist on building the wall?

At some point it’s like, stop f*cking around and just do it. You’re the president. You don’t need congress to pass a bill to secure the border. You don’t even need to declare a national emergency. It’s national security. You’re fully within you’re right to use the military budget. If the president orders the military to build a wall or something else in some war zone in Afghanistan or wherever, there’s no bill for that. You just do it.

[SomeBlackDude]

Ann Coulter
‏@AnnCoulter

Good news for George Herbert Walker Bush: As of today, he is no longer the biggest wimp ever to serve as President of the United States.

my word...

https://media.giphy.com/media/u5mxr9rOg7LLq/giphy.gif

[tpols]

Even if they built a wall, the next left prez and a gang of liberals will tear it down and act like they're some type of hero's of peace.

Sigh...were screwed either way.

[Real Men Wear Green]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Trump supporters are definitely losing patience with him.

Republicans have the White House, the house and the senate for 2 years and you wait until the moment that you lose the house to finally insist on building the wall?

At some point it

[Real Men Wear Green]

my word...

https://media.giphy.com/media/u5mxr9rOg7LLq/giphy.gif
Heh. Now let's hear from Limbaugh.

[Loco 50]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Trump supporters are definitely losing patience with him.

Republicans have the White House, the house and the senate for 2 years and you wait until the moment that you lose the house to finally insist on building the wall?

At some point it

[Hawker]

What's weird is how much he suddenly cares about it now that the Democrats have the House. Why didn't he get the Wall funded back when they had Congress and the Presidency?
McCain
Flake
60 votes needed to break a filibuster (but you knew this)

[Akrazotile]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Trump supporters are definitely losing patience with him.

Republicans have the White House, the house and the senate for 2 years and you wait until the moment that you lose the house to finally insist on building the wall?

At some point it

[NumberSix]

McCain
Flake
60 votes needed to break a filibuster (but you knew this)
Yes, but that also applies to now. So, what

[Real Men Wear Green]

McCain
Flake
60 votes needed to break a filibuster (but you knew this)
You know it's bad if Six replies for me. Trump has basically waited to push for the Wall until he could blame the failure on the Democrat opposition. Why couldn't they have done it when they had Republican support? Republicans hate Obamacare...which is why Obama, being serious about reform, got it done back when the Democrats controlled Congress. Democrats hate Trump's Wall, and Trump knows this. So if he's serious about getting it done why didn't they do it back when they had a Republican House? There is absolutely no way he will be able to get more done with Pelosi than he would have with Paul Ryan.

[Hawker]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Yes, but that also applies to now. So, what

[Hawker]

You know it's bad if Six replies for me. Trump has basically waited to push for the Wall until he could blame the failure on the Democrat opposition. Why couldn't they have done it when they had Republican support? Republicans hate Obamacare...which is why Obama, being serious about reform, got it done back when the Democrats controlled Congress. Democrats hate Trump's Wall, and Trump knows this. So if he's serious about getting it done why didn't they do it back when they had a Republican House? There is absolutely no way he will be able to get more done with Pelosi than he would have with Paul Ryan.

Democrats had 60 votes in the Senate at that time. Republicans didn

[TheMan]

MAGA :rockon:

How much more winning can we take, right fellow Trump supporters?

https://media1.tenor.com/images/d40f5d30bc9534a240f4da4842f48e5f/tenor.gif?itemid=5038159

[NumberSix]

So, the Democrats have recently offered to give $6 billion for border security as long as it’s not for the wall. Trump should just agree to that, sign it and then either use military funds to build it or declare a national emergency. And if you’re going that route, you might as well build the real, full wall, not $5.7 billion worth of steel slats.

[NumberSix]

You don’t really control the Senate if you don’t have 60 votes so I don’t get why that line constantly gets repeated.
Right, but under Trump the Republicans have never had 60 votes. So why would not forcing the issue in 2017 or 2018 be excused by “didn’t have 60 votes” but in 2019 when you still don’t have 60 votes and you now don’t have the house, why is that suddenly the perfect time to strike?

Why wait until you have less leverage to force the issue?

The perfect time would have been early 2017. Trump just won, had the house, 52 senate seats AND had Democrats shook. On top of that, there were 10 Democrat senators up for re-election who’s state was just won by Trump. This was the moment of maximum leverage.

[TheMan]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]So, the Democrats have recently offered to give $6 billion for border security as long as it

[NumberSix]

It would get challenged in courts and you know this...
Yes, and some Obama appointed judge somewhere would certainly block it, but that would be followed by 2 things.

1. The Supreme Court would allow the wall to start being built while the merit of the case makes its way through the courts.

2. When the case on the merit eventually makes its way to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court will without doubt rule in Trump

[bladefd]

So, the Democrats have recently offered to give $6 billion for border security as long as it’s not for the wall. Trump should just agree to that, sign it and then either use military funds to build it or declare a national emergency. And if you’re going that route, you might as well build the real, full wall, not $5.7 billion worth of steel slats.

You are looking at probably $30 billion minimum low-end estimate for full wall ($50bn more like it) and maintenance costs after that, and it will barely dent illegal immigration :facepalm

And good luck with the expensive lawsuits along the border from local farmers and landowners.. They won't give up their land without a fight in court

[Real Men Wear Green]

[QUOTE=Hawker]Democrats had 60 votes in the Senate at that time. Republicans didn

[NumberSix]

You are making Six agree with me again. Trump has less support now, not more. He now has the House against him, the half of Congress with the power of purse. Do you really think Trump now has a better chance?
We’re agreeing but for different reasons.

It’s clear, you’re never going to get the Dem house + 7 Dem senators to vote for the wall. It’s over. So if you’re going to declare a national emergency or something else, just do it. Stop wasting time with congress. It’s not happening. Any attempt to do so at this point is just for show.

Just do it and take the silver lining. You have a bunch of new Dems who just won in pro-Trump districts who swore that they would both a) block Pelosi from becoming speaker and b) work with Trump to secure the border. They broke those 2 promises right off the bat. So you’re now in good position to take those seats right back in 2020. All that f*cking around with congress will do, is gives those Dems a chance to claim that they tried to do border security. Just cut them out of the process and let them lose their seats.

[Kblaze8855]

2. When the case on the merit eventually makes its way to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court will without doubt rule in Trump’s favor being that this is an authority that congress has explicitly given to the president.

I think having to take the land of so many people is gonna be the problem. The supreme court already overruled a president saying that emergency powers used in defiance of congress are unconstitutional...AND that you cant use an executive order to take private property. Tying in the imminent domain part will give a few ways to attack.

I feel like if all his lawyers were telling him it would be as simple as youre making it out hed have already done it.

[egokiller]

Orange boy said he was going to make Mexico pay for it and he failed.

[NumberSix]

I think having to take the land of so many people is gonna be the problem. The supreme court already overruled a president saying that emergency powers used in defiance of congress are unconstitutional...AND that you cant use an executive order to take private property. Tying in the imminent domain part will give a few ways to attack.

I feel like if all his lawyers were telling him it would be as simple as youre making it out hed have already done it.
What you’re saying is legally nonsensical. Eminent domain is legal. The idea that the Supreme Court would rule that a legal thing is illegal in this one case is preposterous. What the Supreme Court previously ruled is that Truman couldn’t nationalize/confiscate the steel industry. That’s illegal by any means, not just national emergency declaration.

[SomeBlackDude]

Orange boy said he was going to make Mexico pay for it and he failed.

the official end of the shutdown anthem (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed9Yg6aatfM) :applause:

[Dro]

A strong majority of Americans blame President Donald Trump for the record-long government shutdown and reject his primary rationale for a border wall, according to a new poll that shows the turmoil in Washington is dragging his approval rating to its lowest level in more than a year.
Overall, 34 percent of Americans approve of Trump's job performance in a survey conducted by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. That's down from 42 percent a month earlier and nears the lowest mark of his two-year presidency. The president's approval among Republicans remains close to 80 percent, but his standing with independents is among its lowest points of his time in office.


Sixty percent of Americans say Trump bears a great deal of responsibility for the shutdown. About a third place the same amount of blame on congressional Democrats (31 percent) or Republicans (36 percent).
Sixty-five percent of Americans, including 86 percent of Democrats, 69 percent of independents and 33 percent of Republicans, call the shutdown a major problem.
Trump may be popular overall with Republicans, but a sizable share holds him responsible for the current situation. Almost 3 in 10 Republicans think Trump bears a great deal of responsibility, while 73 percent of his party says he's at least partly responsible.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-approval-rating-shutdown-blame-poll-20190123-story.html


#MAGADICKHEAD

[dude77]

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[highwhey]

you mean using government workers as hostages for negotiations didn't work? https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/heh.png

on a more serious note, federal contractors (over 1 million of them) aren't getting paid. can't expect people who have never worked an honest job to not understand the impact of that. :facepalm

[TheMan]

What I find hilarious about those awful Trump poll numbers is that before the shutdown happened, Trump told Pelosi, Schumer and the American people that he would proudly own the shutdown yet 31% (no doubt his mouthbreathers) blame Dems :lol

There's no hope for those dolts :facepalm

[CelticBaller]

The wall is just a waste of time

Just better immigration policy and enforcement of immigration laws will be better and cheap

[andgar923]

you mean using government workers as hostages for negotiations didn't work? https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/heh.png

on a more serious note, federal contractors (over 1 million of them) aren't getting paid. can't expect people who have never worked an honest job to not understand the impact of that. :facepalm

Trump didn't pay many contractors and ripped off tons of people he hired without giving two f*cks about them. He's driven businesses to shut down, torn apart families.

Again, shit we've all known for years. He simply doesn't care bout nobody.

[Draz]

Trumptards grasping for air

[NumberSix]

The wall is just a waste of time

Just better immigration policy and enforcement of immigration laws will be better and cheap
But you have one party who

[iamgine]

This is only for less than a month right?

[scuzzy]

the official end of the shutdown anthem (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed9Yg6aatfM) :applause:
:roll: :roll:

[MaxFly]

He will threaten another shutdown, but more likely that he will try to declare a national emergency (that will get dragged through the courts) instead.

Today's was a pretty big L, but would pale in comparison to what he will likely endure if he tries to declare a national emergency. Looking forward to his next move.

[NumberSix]

Today's was a pretty big L, but would pale in comparison to what he will likely endure if he tries to declare a national emergency. Looking forward to his next move.
What do you mean “tries”?

It’s time for Trump to stop playing games. Just do it.

[PickernRoller]

Postponed for 3 weeks?

Nikka's better hurry up and collect those paychecks.

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]
At some point it

[MaxFly]

What do you mean “tries”?

It’s time for Trump to stop playing games. Just do it.

"Tries" because it would likely be put on hold by courts almost immediately as a result of the legal challenges that are sure to arise, and would further erode his support as even more exasperated Republicans have come forward and say that the wall, as presently proposed, is a stupid idea.

[MaxFly]

You know it's bad if Six replies for me. Trump has basically waited to push for the Wall until he could blame the failure on the Democrat opposition. Why couldn't they have done it when they had Republican support? Republicans hate Obamacare...which is why Obama, being serious about reform, got it done back when the Democrats controlled Congress. Democrats hate Trump's Wall, and Trump knows this. So if he's serious about getting it done why didn't they do it back when they had a Republican House? There is absolutely no way he will be able to get more done with Pelosi than he would have with Paul Ryan.

Ding ding ding...

[NumberSix]

"Tries" because it would likely be put on hold by courts almost immediately as a result of the legal challenges that are sure to arise, and would further erode his support as even more exasperated Republicans have come forward and say that the wall, as presently proposed, is a stupid idea.
Congress already authorized it for 700 miles of the border bruh. It IS the law. It’s a done deal. He just needs the money.

[bladefd]

Congress already authorized it for 700 miles of the border bruh. It IS the law. It’s a done deal. He just needs the money.

What? Are you referring to the 700 total miles that are already barricaded as of 2012? Congress didn't approve 700 more miles..

[NumberSix]

What? Are you referring to the 700 total miles that are already barricaded as of 2012? Congress didn't approve 700 more miles..
2006 Secure Fence Act plus amendments authorized 700 miles of border barrier. Currently, roughly 400 miles has ‘fencing’ and the other roughly 300 miles has vehicle barricades. The $5.7B Trump was asking for was to replace the vehicle barricades with fencing/wall to finish the rest of the 700 miles that congress has already specifically authorized.

Like I said. There’s nothing to challenge legally. He simply needs the money.

[PickernRoller]

If the GOP wasn't full of rats he would have had his wall long ago. But his party cucked him. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

If the GOP wasn't full of rats he would have had his wall long ago. But his party cucked him. :oldlol: :oldlol:


Sadly true. This is why the Democrats are so successful. They're all of one mind and follow their leader blindly. There's no room for different ideas in the Democratic Party.

Republican Party is full of White Knights thinking they're going to reach the masses and win a majority within the party.

[SomeBlackDude]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]2006 Secure Fence Act plus amendments authorized 700 miles of border barrier. Currently, roughly 400 miles has

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Congress already authorized it for 700 miles of the border bruh. It IS the law. It

[NumberSix]

If we're talking about the 700 miles... again, an attempt to declare a national emergency to cobble together the money will result in near certain court challenges and a halt to any plans and use of that money while the courts determine whether that pathway falls in line with the guidelines of the National Emergencies Act. The political fallout would be amusing as well.
No need to declare an emergency.

You know, in 2016 alone Obama spent over $300 billion that was not appropriated by Congress. Like, this isn’t an unusual thing to do. Trump is probably already currently spending billions that weren’t appropriated by Congress in various other ways. That’s why it’s time for Trump to stop screwing around and just do it.

[bladefd]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]2006 Secure Fence Act plus amendments authorized 700 miles of border barrier. Currently, roughly 400 miles has

[bladefd]

Another shutdown upcoming? :rolleyes:

All depends on what big boy Rush Limbaugh and crazy lady Ann Coulter want. They have their hands on Trump's balls..


In an interview Sunday on CBS’ Face the Nation, top Trump advisor Mick Mulvaney was asked if the president was prepared to enter yet another government shutdown in three weeks if his demands for funding on border security are not met by then.

“Yeah, I think he actually is,” Mulvaney, who now serves as Trump’s acting chief of staff, told host Margaret Brennan. “He’s willing to do whatever it takes to secure the border.”

Mulvaney said the president would secure the southern border “with or without Congress,” even though congressional leaders have refused to finance Trump’s $5.7 billion border wall.

“He doesn’t want to shut the government down, let’s make that very clear. He doesn’t want to declare a national emergency,” Mulvaney added on CBS.

But in order for the president to get exactly what he wants, his options are extremely narrow at best. As Vox’s Dylan Scott explains, there are four ways the the weeks of political standoffs could come to a resolution:

1. The president and congressional leaders agree on a broader immigration-border security deal and federal funding is restored for the year.

2. There’s no deal and the government shuts down (again).

3. Trump declares a national emergency to get his border wall, and the government stays open.

4. Trump caves again and gets nothing, but the government remains running.

With Mulvaney’s comments Sunday comes the added possibility that Trump is willing to move forward with scenario #2 — even if it didn’t work for him the last time around.
https://www.vox.com/2019/1/27/18199471/trump-government-shutdown-again-mulvaney

[SomeBlackDude]

Another shutdown upcoming? :rolleyes:


https://www.vox.com/2019/1/27/18199471/trump-government-shutdown-again-mulvaney

no way in hell.

maga learned its lesson from this shutdown. #neveragain

what would be different a second time around beyond people being even angrier at the emperor?

:lol

[bladefd]

no way in hell.

maga learned its lesson from this shutdown. #neveragain

what would be different a second time around beyond people being even angrier at the emperor?

:lol

Well, if Limbaugh and Coulter want a shutdown, we will get one. Trump doesn't care about whether he makes people angry or not. He only cares that he gets the attention he craves and his name in the press - that's how narcissistic people are.

[SomeBlackDude]

Trump doesn't care about whether he makes people angry or not.

he cares about being publicly humiliated though. and all the talk of 'murrica is how he caved and nancy castrated him.

he's not tryna take another one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrQ-EgjJZsk) and be 0-2 vs nancy.

:lol

[bladefd]

he cares about being publicly humiliated though. and all the talk of 'murrica is how he caved and nancy castrated him.

he's not tryna take another one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrQ-EgjJZsk) and be 0-2 vs nancy.

:lol

Maybe he cares about his fanbase, who he might listen to, but beyond that? Nah, he doesn't care who he angers.. You really think he cares if Stephen Colbert or Bill Maher says Nancy castrated him? He would probably care if BreitBart and/or Rush Limbaugh started saying that

[DukeDelonte13]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]What you

[Derka]

As stupid of an idea as it is, I've resigned myself to the idea that 1.) it's going to happen and 2.) Mexico is not, in fact, paying for it. Because America loves con men.

[Facepalm]

. POLITICS
The government shutdown cost the economy $11 billion, including a permanent $3 billion loss, Congressional Budget Office says

Outstanding job Trump!:applause:

[SomeBlackDude]

Outstanding job Trump!:applause:

$11 billion would pay for a big beautiful steel slat barrier.

powerful.

tremendous.

:applause:

[Hardtop Hero]

Christ MAGATS are delusional. He's not getting his stupid wall that no one wants. Why must you guys live in this fantasy world? WHY?

Further, do any MAGATS understand how long imminent domain challenges would keep the courts tied up on this potentially for years meaning no work would be done?

Further, do you understand that Trump never gave a shyt about a wall and it was just supposed to be something he said to remind him to mention immigration in his rallies and it caught on so he kept on about it?

Further, ummm Mexico paying for it?

Pelosi smoked your boy, and he's not getting this idiotic wall. Move on already.

[Ben Simmons 25]

$11 billion would pay for a big beautiful steel slat barrier.

powerful.

tremendous.

:applause:

Doesn't that prove that the dems are just doing this for political reasons and not with the best interest of the country in mind?

Just saying.

I think the wall is incredibly misguided and Trump probably wants it for selfish reasons, not to help the country... but alas... there is the possibility he's trying to help the country.

Dems are undeniably playing politics and that's it.

They're both probable pieces of shit but at least Trump could theoretically be doing it for reasons he deems morally correct, though that it is admittedly unlikely. But we definitely can prove the dems are just trying to stick it up his ass. It's not about the $5 billion. It's really not. It's about "getting" Trump.

Literally every single congressperson and the president need to be cast away. None of them give a **** about anyone except themselves. Disgusting.

[Ben Simmons 25]

And further... we're $22 trillion in debt... I don't think we should be adding to that number... but at the end of the day... $5 billion is nothing, comparatively speaking.

This is politics. Nothing more. None of these people care about any of you yet you all root for them as if they're sports teams. You're all asleep.

[Ben Simmons 25]

All this over 0.02%... not 2%... 0.02%...

:roll: :roll:

FML.

For those of you that don’t get it, if you were $22,000 in debt, the wall would be the equivalent of costing you another $5.

[rufuspaul]

The Democrats said that once the government was open they would negotiate in good faith. That of course is entirely false. All they're gonna offer is Trump Bad, No Wall. So Trump should just go ahead with plan B and also rescind on his DACA offer. Just take that shit right back off the table and blame the Dems for going back on their word.

[diamenz]

Doesn't that prove that the dems are just doing this for political reasons and not with the best interest of the country in mind?

Just saying.

I think the wall is incredibly misguided and Trump probably wants it for selfish reasons, not to help the country... but alas... there is the possibility he's trying to help the country.

Dems are undeniably playing politics and that's it.

They're both probable pieces of shit but at least Trump could theoretically be doing it for reasons he deems morally correct, though that it is admittedly unlikely. But we definitely can prove the dems are just trying to stick it up his ass. It's not about the $5 billion. It's really not. It's about "getting" Trump.

Literally every single congressperson and the president need to be cast away. None of them give a **** about anyone except themselves. Disgusting.

that's what i keep saying. people give their left nut to either defend trump or attack him when it's us who are getting ****ed in the end either way. getting emotionally involved in politics is such a waste of time and energy. you're a sucker. you'd be more constructive joining a street gang ffs.

[diamenz]

All this over 0.02%... not 2%... 0.02%...

:roll: :roll:

FML.

For those of you that don’t get it, if you were $22,000 in debt, the wall would be the equivalent of costing you another $5.

well, u could also argue that .02% leads to 1.0, and 1 leads to 10 and then another 20 and eventually we're another five or ten trillion down the shitter.

a new system is what we really need imo. a complete overhaul. getting money out of politics and congressmen out of lifetime terms would be a start.

[Ben Simmons 25]

well, u could also argue that .02% leads to 1.0, and 1 leads to 10 and then another 20 and eventually we're another five or ten trillion down the shitter.

a new system is what we really need imo. a complete overhaul. getting money out of politics and congressmen out of lifetime terms would be a start.

Sure, and I agree with everything you're saying... but my point is that we don't have a new system and nobody really cares about erasing the debt... not really. So my point is... if we're got a giant ****ing fire going, why are we worried about the electrical short hidden away in the corner? It could grow into a fire one day... yeah... but we already have a raging inferno.

If we could figure a way to get big money out of politics, that would be the greatest political achievement in my lifetime, I'm sure of it. I would love to see it. Don't know how to make that happen.

[diamenz]

So my point is... if we're got a giant ****ing fire going, why are we worried about the electrical short hidden away in the corner? It could grow into a fire one day... yeah... but we already have a raging inferno.


as the world turns, man.

[DukeDelonte13]

Christ MAGATS are delusional. He's not getting his stupid wall that no one wants. Why must you guys live in this fantasy world? WHY?

Further, do any MAGATS understand how long imminent domain challenges would keep the courts tied up on this potentially for years meaning no work would be done?

Further, do you understand that Trump never gave a shyt about a wall and it was just supposed to be something he said to remind him to mention immigration in his rallies and it caught on so he kept on about it?

Further, ummm Mexico paying for it?

Pelosi smoked your boy, and he's not getting this idiotic wall. Move on already.


Because "the wall" is something simple people can understand and rally behind.

[Derka]

The Democrats said that once the government was open they would negotiate in good faith. That of course is entirely false. All they're gonna offer is Trump Bad, No Wall. So Trump should just go ahead with plan B and also rescind on his DACA offer. Just take that shit right back off the table and blame the Dems for going back on their word.
"We're going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it." Politicians going back on their word...I'm shocked and amazed.

[Hardtop Hero]

The Democrats said that once the government was open they would negotiate in good faith. That of course is entirely false. All they're gonna offer is Trump Bad, No Wall. So Trump should just go ahead with plan B and also rescind on his DACA offer. Just take that shit right back off the table and blame the Dems for going back on their word.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqrRUzqvQD8

Trump saying over and over and over Mexico is going to pay for it ^^^^. And don't forget "I'm proud to shut the government down, and I'm not gonna blame you for it Chuck". Do you blame him for any of that? Of course not.

Here's the problem people like you have with ever defending someone like Trump. Trump is a pathological liar and con man. To top it off, he's stupid. If he had just put the $400 million he inherited in the bank, he would've been better off and not had all of the bankruptcies he's had and failed businesses.

Your problem is, despite all the evidence if you just cared to do a LITTLE research, is you believe the "mogul, businessman, blah blah blah" image of Trump. You refuse to take into account that he's a pathological liar, and thus you actually believe he cares about anyone but himself. This makes you a fool.

This whole border wall "crisis", "emergency", etc. is the same as the caravan. What happened to the caravan?? Funny how this grave threat to American security went away right after the mid-terms.

All the polling (even Rasmussen) shows that the vast majority of Americans don't want this stupid wall and they blame him for the shut down. The Dems would like to get DACA, but all they really need to do is sit back and watch him further destroy himself. If he shuts the government down again, that's exactly what will happen.

He has no leverage here. He can either try a national emergency (which will get shot down by the courts because this is obviously not a national emergency), shut the government down again (more heavy political damage to him) or give it up. Now because he's stupid, he may just choose one of the first two options.

[Patrick Chewing]

The Democrats said that once the government was open they would negotiate in good faith. That of course is entirely false. All they're gonna offer is Trump Bad, No Wall. So Trump should just go ahead with plan B and also rescind on his DACA offer. Just take that shit right back off the table and blame the Dems for going back on their word.


Do we still even know what the Democrat alternative to the wall is??

All I've heard so far is to have drones flying around patrolling the border. How do drones prevent someone from crossing the border exactly?? You would have to have a drone for every 100 yards of border to be able to really catch them in the act. That's the equivalent of over 34 thousand drones to cover the entire border! And I'm sure government drones aren't the cheap ones you find at Radio Shack. :lol

[Hardtop Hero]

Do we still even know what the Democrat alternative to the wall is??

All I've heard so far is to have drones flying around patrolling the border. How do drones prevent someone from crossing the border exactly?? You would have to have a drone for every 100 yards of border to be able to really catch them in the act. That's the equivalent of over 34 thousand drones to cover the entire border! And I'm sure government drones aren't the cheap ones you find at Radio Shack. :lol

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Truly, you'e one of the dumbest people on this site.

A. Republicans were in control of all branches of government, and no wall. Could it be because MAYBE they all realize it's stupid as well? Why blame the dems who just got power back in January over the Repubs who had 2 years to do something about the wall?

B. Again, imminent domain issues ALONE will tie up the courts for YEARS potentially. Do you know how many properties would have to be displaced to build a wall of that magnitude there? Do you think each of those people are going to just go "Why sure Mr. President! We'll happily turn over our properties to you!!" or do you think they will go to court to prevent it from happening?

C. Mexico is going to pay for the wall

D. I'm "proud to shut down the government. I'll take full responsibility. I'm not going to blame you" *blames Dems after*

E. Trump never gave a shyt about a wall. It came about to remind him to talk about immigration:

[QUOTE]Political advisers Sam Nunberg and Roger Stone apparently came up with the idea.

[Patrick Chewing]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Truly, you'e one of the dumbest people on this site.

A. Republicans were in control of all branches of government, and no wall. Could it be because MAYBE they all realize it's stupid as well? Why blame the dems who just got power back in January over the Repubs who had 2 years to do something about the wall?

B. Again, imminent domain issues ALONE will tie up the courts for YEARS potentially. Do you know how many properties would have to be displaced to build a wall of that magnitude there? Do you think each of those people are going to just go "Why sure Mr. President! We'll happily turn over our properties to you!!" or do you think they will go to court to prevent it from happening?

C. Mexico is going to pay for the wall

D. I'm "proud to shut down the government. I'll take full responsibility. I'm not going to blame you" *blames Dems after*

E. Trump never gave a shyt about a wall. It came about to remind him to talk about immigration:



His braindead supporters loved it, so it stuck and he kept it up.

F. More terrorists have been caught at Canadian border. Why no Northern wall?

G. The most illegal immigration comes from people overstaying their visas. Why no word from Trump about that?

H. If Republicans REALLY cared so much about illegal immigration taking American jobs, why not offer severe and harsh penalties for ANY COMPANIES caught hiring them? I'm talking draconian fines and imprisonment for senior management. Yet you never hear those types of proposals. I wonder why?


:facepalm

LOL and he calls me dumb.


And yet another post that refuses to provide the answer to what a Democrat alternative to the wall truly is.

[rufuspaul]

:facepalm

LOL and he calls me dumb.


And yet another post that refuses to provide the answer to what a Democrat alternative to the wall truly is.


There isn't one. Their plan for everything is Orange Man Bad. Bad Orange Man.

[Lakers Legend#32]

There is no need for an "alternative." There is no national emergency risk. The wall was nothing but a bogus campaign promise to Trump's knuckle-scraping base, who were dumb enough to believe it.

[SomeBlackDude]

There isn't one. Their plan for everything is Orange Man Bad. Bad Orange Man.


House Democrats are prepared to support increased spending on border security, but not a wall, if President Trump agrees to reopen the government first, lawmakers and aides said Wednesday.

The proposal, which Democrats are drafting into a formal letter to Trump, will include border security improvements such as retrofitting ports of entry, new sensors and drones, more immigration judges and border patrol agents, and additional technology, among other measures.

genghis don and his medieval wall (steel slat barrier?) seem kinda silly and outdated now, don't they? :confusedshrug:

[rufuspaul]

There is no need for an "alternative." There is no national emergency risk. The wall was nothing but a bogus campaign promise to Trump's knuckle-scraping base, who were dumb enough to believe it.


How Quickly the Left forget ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtJ4x1ycsPk)

[SomeBlackDude]

How Quickly the Left forget ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtJ4x1ycsPk)

dems are tougher on illegal immigration than repubs. they didn't call mr. hussein the 'deporter-in-chief' for nothing. :applause:

repubs talk a good game, but can never get shit done beyond the trickle down hustle.

[Hardtop Hero]

:facepalm

LOL and he calls me dumb.


And yet another post that refuses to provide the answer to what a Democrat alternative to the wall truly is.

Yes, because a typo changes how stupid you are. Further, you have no answer to any of the other points raised, as per usual. You just can't get it through your thick skull that this whole border crisis is MADE UP by your liar in chief.