The greatness of Shaq's Lakers despite Kobe being injured

[LAmbruh]

Lakers with Shaq/No Kobe: 36-8


Lakers with Kobe/No Shaq: 53-45


Crazy, LA was a 60 win pace team with Shaq while Kobe was out. Meanwhile barely a fringe .500 team led by Kobe while Shaq was down.


Amazing impact of a Top 10 player that Shaq was, simply unprecedented


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[Gus Hemmingway]

Lakers simply couldn't orchestrate w/o him because the team was hand picked and built around Shaq


Spot up role players like Kobe simply didn't know how to dribble without Shaq.

[TheCorporation]

Thank you for this post--what a great way to show the impact of a team's main player! I was looking for other noteworthy examples and came across a LeBron James fellow whom has drug the worst of the worst to the Finals, despite fighting with a shit cast. This may come as no surprise to you, but as soon as he leaves the team plummets.

I've also heard of this Michael Jordan fellow, who left his 57 win team in 1993 only to have the team win 55 games the very next season WITHOUT him. I promise I am not making this up. I wonder if there has ever been a #1 option with a lower impact than Michael Jordan? A two-win drop off. Most wouldn't even believe me unless they Google'd it for themselves.

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[Akrazotile]

Lakers with Shaq/No Kobe: 36-8


Lakers with Kobe/No Shaq: 53-45





:eek:

Oh my...


Can't see Kobe stans recovering from this one any time soon. That's pretty much gg right there.

[kennethgriffen]

the greatness of shaq minus elite kobe

1993 - missed playoffs
1994 - swept
1995 - swept
1996 - swept
1997 - 1-4'd
1998 - swept
1999 - swept
2005 - choked game 7
2006 - 3rd option role player ring
2007 - swept
2008 - 1-4'd
2009 - missed playoffs
2010 - choked #1 seed

[TheCorporation]

the greatness of shaq minus elite kobe

1993 - missed playoffs
1994 - swept
1995 - swept
1996 - swept
1997 - 1-4'd
1998 - swept
1999 - swept
2005 - choked game 7
2006 - 3rd option role player ring
2007 - swept
2008 - 1-4'd
2009 - missed playoffs
2010 - choked #1 seed


How about Kobe?

-Missed playoffs
-Demanded a trade
-Blew a 3-1 lead
-6/24
-Artest/Gasol

I mean...

[Gus Hemmingway]

How about Kobe?

-Missed playoffs
-Demanded a trade
-Blew a 3-1 lead
-6/24
-Artest/Gasol

I mean...
Damn :biggums:


How many playoffs did Kobe miss entirely?

[kennethgriffen]

How about Kobe?

-Missed playoffs
-Demanded a trade
-Blew a 3-1 lead
-6/24
-Artest/Gasol

I mean...

2005 - injured
2006 - took kwame/smush to the playoffs
2007 - took kwame/smush to the playoffs
2008 - took a team with zero allstars to the NBA FINALS
2009 - CHAMPION as finals mvp
2010 - CHAMPION as finals mvp
2011 - injured
2012 - gasol choke
2013 - injured
2014 - injured
2015 - injured
2016 - injured


much better than shaq

[LAmbruh]

Thread topic is on 97-2004 Shaq's Lakers and his personal impact


If anyone wants to talk about heavily favored pre-season Finals favorites Pau's Lakers, feel free making a new thread. :cheers:

[kennethgriffen]

Thread topic is on 97-2004 Shaq's Lakers and his personal impact


If anyone wants to talk about heavily favored pre-season Finals favorites Pau's Lakers, feel free making a new thread. :cheers:


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[LAmbruh]

Lakers: get worse when Shaq leaves, get better when Kobe leaves

56-26 Shaq
34-48 No Shaq


17-65 Kobe
26-56 No Kobe


It's interesting how things always work out to it's natural state :lol

[zeerghit]

the greatness of shaq minus elite kobe

1993 - missed playoffs
1994 - swept
1995 - swept
1996 - swept
1997 - 1-4'd
1998 - swept
1999 - swept
2005 - choked game 7
2006 - 3rd option role player ring
2007 - swept
2008 - 1-4'd
2009 - missed playoffs
2010 - choked #1 seed

u forget smth, 00-02 most likely top3 peak ever, 2004 oh poor kobe the "main man" ,snitched shaq, stoled shaq 5th title, forced him out, missed plf, blow 3-1 lead, GOAT

[kennethgriffen]

u forget smth, 00-02 most likely top3 peak ever, 2004 oh poor kobe the "main man" ,snitched shaq, stoled shaq 5th title, forced him out, missed plf, blow 3-1 lead, GOAT


why would i list the years shaq played with an all nba/all defensive all time histrically great kobe bryant saving shaq from failure in game 7 of the 2000 WCF or game 4 of the nba finals... then averaging 29/7/6 for the 2001 playoffs and 28/6/5 for the 2002 playoffs

i thought this thread was to showcase how shaq didn't need kobe

[kennethgriffen]

Lakers: get worse when Shaq leaves, get better when Kobe leaves

56-26 Shaq
34-48 No Shaq


17-65 Kobe
26-56 No Kobe


It's interesting how things always work out to it's natural state :lol



shaq without kobe = top 30-35 all time resume


kobe without shaq = top 10-11 all time resume

:lol

[kennethgriffen]

kobe basically equalled or topped hakeem without shaq


shaq basically equalled jason kidd

:roll:

[Rico2016]

shaq without kobe = top 30-35 all time resume


kobe without shaq = top 10-11 all time resume

:lol

Hol up aint Kobe already 12be with Shaq?

[PickernRoller]

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[Akrazotile]

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[SpaceJam]

shaq without kobe = top 30-35 all time resume


kobe without shaq = top 10-11 all time resume

:lol

2 rings, 2 FMVPs and an MVP gets your top 10-11?

Willis Reed top 10 all time

[JohnMax]

If regular season impact / wins meant anything.

Lebron wouldn't have 6 finals losses
CP3 wouldn't have 1 conference finals appearance

[LAmbruh]

relevant

[Nikola_]

Thank you for this post--what a great way to show the impact of a team's main player! I was looking for other noteworthy examples and came across a LeBron James fellow whom has drug the worst of the worst to the Finals, despite fighting with a shit cast. This may come as no surprise to you, but as soon as he leaves the team plummets.

I've also heard of this Michael Jordan fellow, who left his 57 win team in 1993 only to have the team win 55 games the very next season WITHOUT him. I promise I am not making this up. I wonder if there has ever been a #1 option with a lower impact than Michael Jordan? A two-win drop off. Most wouldn't even believe me unless they Google'd it for themselves.

https://i.postimg.cc/FsbptnM4/Bulls-win-drop.png

92 bulls 67-15
93 bulls 57-25

WHY?