Imagine calling this cast stacked and not trolling about it

[superduper]

https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB10_dVOXXXXXXcXXXXq6xXFXXX4/Custom-Canvas-Art-Kobe-Bryant-Poster-Mamba-Sticker-Mural-Basketball-Wallpaper-Lakers-Team-Wall-Stickers-Decoration.jpg_640x640.jpg

How crazy would it be if any one player could carry this cast to not one but TWO rings back to back in the most competitive conference in history?

Who on this team is a top 200 player all time other than Mamba?

How long would it take until LeGOAT threw visible tantrums on the court and demanded a complete overhaul of the coaching and teammates with this cast?

[Doranku]

Fans today couldn't even name 5 players in that picture. :lol

[Kblaze8855]

Whats funny to me is how many Lakers fans were adamant they had the best team in the league and now a few(very few) people decided they weren't talented in retrospect.

[Hittin_Shots]

I wouldn't say Pay carried them, but I guess he did pretty well.

[superduper]

Like for real... think about actually calling this cast stacked and NOT trolling about it.

Being dead serious in saying Kobe had a DOMINANT front court and amazing DEPTH and clutch help from players like:

Derek "8ppg 39%" Fisher
Shannon "7ppg 42%" Brown
Luke "5ppg 42%" Walton
Pau "0-16 Gasol"
Andrew "OutOfTheLeague" Bynum
Sasha Vujecic
Jordan Farmar
DJ Mbenga

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[3ball]

That roster is so shitty that I could beat 4 guys on that roster

They win the majority of the games but I'd win some

Walton (i did), vujacic, morrison and farmar - none if these guys were legit NBA players

[superduper]

Whats funny to me is how many Lakers fans were adamant they had the best team in the league and now a few(very few) people decided they weren't talented in retrospect.

You're absolutely right, it's amazing how Kobe elevated his YMCA level cast who would be subject to having an overhaul demanded if a certain someone was their leader to absolute greatness not once but twice.

What a great leader and player. Hindsight is 20/20 :applause:

[kennethgriffen]

odom is thought of as a scottie pippen type player to most kobe haters


like the guy did all this

2010 Hall of fame induction
7

[bigkingsfan]

Damn, Pau really carried that team.

[3ball]

[QUOTE=kennethgriffen]odom is thought of as a scottie pippen type player to most kobe haters


like the guy did all this

2010 Hall of fame induction
6

[kennethgriffen]

Damn, Pau really carried that team.



pau carried them alright... he carried them to getting swept by the spurs and padding his 0-16 record as lead dog in the playoffs. then followed it up with a near bottom lottery season the next year without kobe

[PickernRoller]

The triangle was a thing of beauty. How it sets roles clear and defined - makes these bums excel at what they're best. Of course it needs a player like Kobe to work.

[34-24 Footwork]

Whats funny to me is how many Lakers fans were adamant they had the best team in the league and now a few(very few) people decided they weren't talented in retrospect.

That's because people who followed the Lakers during that era knew that all Kobe needed was one other all-nba player to go after rings.

They weren't setting the expectations low like a certain fan base...

[kennethgriffen]

Odom was a prodigy and a known slacker - mj would've gotten the best out of him, whereas Chuckbe couldn't and needed management to get gasol


actually kobe got the best out of odom... see his year with dallas immediately after leaving

:lol

[Dray n Klay]

[QUOTE=kennethgriffen]odom is thought of as a scottie pippen type player to most kobe haters


like the guy did all this

2010 Hall of fame induction
7

[superduper]

actually kobe got the best out of odom... see his year with dallas immediately after leaving

:lol

Odom and Bynum must have made multiple allstar teams and been contributing members to winning teams once they left CancerBe right?!?!

[kennethgriffen]

Whats funny to me is how many Lakers fans were adamant they had the best team in the league and now a few(very few) people decided they weren't talented in retrospect.


the rockets were the best team in the league in 1994

why? hakeem olajuwon


ditto for kobe in 2009

[PickernRoller]

That's because people who followed the Lakers during that era knew that all Kobe needed was one other all-nba player to go after rings.

They weren't setting the expectations low like a certain fan base...

These is so much truth in this post it hurts. To think of it as agenda driven is soooo sooo wrong.

[34-24 Footwork]

I'll NEVER FORGET that timeTy Lawson BANGED ON DJ Mbenga.

One of the most underrated dunks of all time...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEVlvruAWgs

The western conference, man... :facepalm

[superduper]

Watch out guys...

... pictures of 40 year old Payton/Malone and broken back 40 year old Nash/cancer injured Dwight are coming

[3ball]

actually kobe got the best out of odom... see his year with dallas immediately after leaving

:lol
Yeah right

Kobe was letting him eat all kinds of candy like skilttles and gummy bears and shit.. Odom was a well-known candy monster, immature and lazy

A stark contrast from MJ's lean, mean breakfast club workouts with Harper and Pip...

[superduper]

I'll NEVER FORGET that timeTy Lawson BANGED ON DJ Mbenga.

One of the most underrated dunks of all time...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEVlvruAWgs

The western conference, man... :facepalm

Bro... Kobe had a DOMINANT front court with Gasol/Bynum/Mbenga!! :eek:

Don't give me that shit fam :no:

[superduper]

I think we're all gonna have to jump 3ball tbh

[kennethgriffen]

I'll NEVER FORGET that timeTy Lawson BANGED ON DJ Mbenga.

One of the most underrated dunks of all time...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEVlvruAWgs

The western conference, man... :facepalm


kobe had to deal with this shit all the time ... his teammates were straight up poster material for every other team in the league it seemed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMf_9dE2MyU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzxFJa6rfsg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh2ZT1aPBoE

[Kblaze8855]

Tell you what....this is ISH on the subject in 2009:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=142669&page=2

Actually on the subject of them being overrated(made by a Kobe fan of course).

Opinions all over the place.

And at the time the question was Odom or Kukoc not Odom or Pippen:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136538

[kennethgriffen]

I think we're all gonna have to jump 3ball tbh


he's gone off the deep end. dudes so shook of lebron fans for some reason. they drove him mental

[superduper]

Tell you what....this is ISH on the subject in 2009:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=142669&page=2

Actually on the subject of them being overrated(made by a Kobe fan of course).

Opinions all over the place.

And at the time the question was Odom or Kukoc not Odom or Pippen:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136538

Dude forget about back then.

Hindsight is always 20/20. Of course people are hype in the moment when they are winning mainly due to Kobe's greatness.

Seriously, with the privilege of hindsight, look at that picture and tell me that team is stacked.

[kennethgriffen]

Tell you what....this is ISH on the subject in 2009:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=142669&page=2

Actually on the subject of them being overrated(made by a Kobe fan of course).

Opinions all over the place.

And at the time the question was Odom or Kukoc not Odom or Pippen:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136538


and where are most of those posters now? exactly.. none of them were real fans to begin with

[3ball]

he's gone off the deep end. dudes so shook of lebron fans for some reason. they drove him mental
Typical Laker fan... :facepalm

Trying to speak something into existence

Like y'all did the Gasol trade

[kennethgriffen]

Yeah right

Kobe was letting him eat all kinds of candy like skilttles and gummy bears and shit.. Odom was a well-known candy monster, immature and lazy

A stark contrast from MJ's lean, mean breakfast club workouts with Harper and Pip...


gimmie bears aren't even that bad for you


https://i.ibb.co/Npc2713/Screen-Shot-2019-01-26-at-11-00-45-AM.png



conditioning wasn't odoms downfall... it was motivation after leaving kobe because he's the ultimate teammate

[Kblaze8855]

Dude forget about back then.

Hindsight is always 20/20. Of course people are hype in the moment when they are winning mainly due to Kobe's greatness.

Seriously, with the privilege of hindsight, look at that picture and tell me that team is stacked.


These days people call every good team stacked. The Nuggets are stacked. People saying the Lakers are stacked. Im not sure you haven't. Stacked or not is used for hating purposes. If anyone wants the teams best player brought down...its stacked. If they want him propped up...its garbage.

This isnt complicated.

Wanna hate on Jokic...Nuggets stacked. Lebron? Lakers stacked. Kyrie? Stacked. Curry/Durant the same but...who can argue with that?

Thats just what a hater does now.

[Kblaze8855]

and where are most of those posters now? exactly.. none of them were real fans to begin with


Real fans of what? The Lakers?

You supposed to be a laker fan yourself now?

[kennethgriffen]

Typical Laker fan... :facepalm

Trying to speak something into existence

Like y'all did the Gasol trade

laker fan?


you truly have gone off the deep end


has your brain even been working for the past 6-7 months since i returned?

[kennethgriffen]

Real fans of what? The Lakers?

You supposed to be a laker fan yourself now?


if a baby rapist joined your church and ran the show. would you find a new place to go on sundays?

[superduper]

These days people call every good team stacked. The Nuggets are stacked. People saying the Lakers are stacked. Im not sure you haven't. Stacked or not is used for hating purposes. If anyone wants the teams best player brought down...its stacked. If they want him propped up...its garbage.

This isnt complicated.

Wanna hate on Jokic...Nuggets stacked. Lebron? Lakers stacked. Kyrie? Stacked. Curry/Durant the same but...who can argue with that?

Thats just what a hater does now.

So you're avoiding my question and deflecting to an unrelated topic.

Are the players in that picture good enough to call that team all time great?

I think I got my answer.

[superduper]

Can a single person name the cut off white dude at the very top? :lol

[Hey Yo]

https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB10_dVOXXXXXXcXXXXq6xXFXXX4/Custom-Canvas-Art-Kobe-Bryant-Poster-Mamba-Sticker-Mural-Basketball-Wallpaper-Lakers-Team-Wall-Stickers-Decoration.jpg_640x640.jpg

How crazy would it be if any one player could carry this cast to not one but TWO rings back to back in the most competitive conference in history?

Who on this team is a top 200 player all time other than Mamba?

How long would it take until LeGOAT threw visible tantrums on the court and demanded a complete overhaul of the coaching and teammates with this cast?
Where's Metta World Peace in that picture? You know..... the guy (along with Pau) mostly responsible for winning game 7 for the Lakers in the 2010 Finals.

"World Peace will forever remembered for his Game 7 performance against Boston. He posted 20 points, had five steals and made a 3-pointer to give the Lakers a six-point lead with a minute remaining.

[superduper]

Where's Metta World Peace in that picture? You know..... the guy (along with Pau) mostly responsible for winning game 7 for the Lakers in the 2010 Finals.

"World Peace will forever remembered for his Game 7 performance against Boston. He posted 20 points, had five steals and made a 3-pointer to give the Lakers a six-point lead with a minute remaining.

“I don’t want to make it seem like I’m fully responsible,” World Peace said. “So many things had to happen.”

The Lakers overcame a 13-point deficit in various ways. Derek Fisher hit a 3-pointer to tie the game midway through the fourth quarter. Pau Gasol posted 19 points and 18 rebounds. Sasha Vujacic clinched the win by making two free throws with 11.7 seconds left.

https://www.dailynews.com/2015/12/29/lakers-metta-world-peace-recalls-game-7-heroics-against-boston/

Oh the guy that forcefully barged in on a naked Kobe and forced him to the corner in his vulnerable state and begged to be carried to a ring?

Is that who you're referring to?

[Kblaze8855]

So stacked now means all time great?

So when you said:


How can one even troll that this team isn't stacked.

Your claim was that the 2019 Lakers are an all time great team?

[Hey Yo]

if a rapist joined your church and ran the show. would you find a new place to go on sundays?
But you still rooted for Kobe and the Lakers after he was arrested and eventually paid her off.

[Kblaze8855]

Can a single person name the cut off white dude at the very top? :lol


You genuinely dont know who that is?

[3ball]

Dude forget about back then.

Hindsight is always 20/20. Of course people are hype in the moment when they are winning mainly due to Kobe's greatness.

Seriously, with the privilege of hindsight, look at that picture and tell me that team is stacked.
They aren't stacked

But Kobe had to win with Gasol to be considered anywhere near MJ

That's the goat model - one star teammate and interchangeable role players - and Kobe did it.

Going back to 1980, the only superstars to win with the goat model are kobe, dirk, Hakeem, MJ, and Isiah. I don't count Wade because he had shaq, similar to Kobe's first 3 rings

[Hey Yo]

Oh the guy that forcefully barged in on a naked Kobe and forced him to the corner in his vulnerable state and begged to be carried to a ring?

Is that who you're referring to?
Yeah, that guy who shared major duties with Pau of carrying Kobe in game 7.

LOL @ not even knowing he wasn't in the picture.

[superduper]

They aren't stacked

But Kobe had to win with Gasol to be considered anywhere near MJ

That's the goat model - one star teammate and interchangeable role players - and Kobe did it.

Going back to 1980, the only superstars to win with the goat model are kobe, dirk, Hakeem, MJ, and Isiah. I don't count Wade because he had shaq, similar to Kobe's first 3 rings

Pippen > Gasol

[Kblaze8855]

They aren't stacked

But Kobe had to win with Gasol to be considered anywhere near MJ

That's the goat model - one star teammate and interchangeable role players - and Kobe did it.

Going back to 1980, the only superstars to win with the goat model are kobe, dirk, Hakeem, MJ, and Isiah. I don't count Wade because he had shaq, similar to Kobe's first 3 rings


Shaq in 2006 is just a name. Not saying he wasnt a good player. Very good. But he wasnt the same player people mean when they say "Shaq".

Wade was unstoppable the way they called the game at the time.

[superduper]

Yeah, that guy who shared major duties with Pau of carrying Kobe in game 7.

LOL @ not even knowing he wasn't in the picture.

Of course I knew. I'm talking about the 2009 cast in this topic.

Ron was a good addition but he also got absolutely raped the year or two years before in the Houston Lakers playoff series when him and prime Shane Battier tried to 1v2 defend Kobe but got exposed and embarrassed.

Then he decided to corner a naked Kobe in the shower and beg him to be carried to a ring.

[3ball]

Shaq in 2006 is just a name. Not saying he wasnt a good player. Very good. But he wasnt the same player people mean when they say "Shaq".

Wade was unstoppable the way they called the game at the time.
True. He was still runner-up for MVP in 05' when damon jones choked it away in ECF, but he'd definitely declined more by 06'.. Zo was big during that run, but he wasn't a star by that time either

[superduper]

You genuinely dont know who that is?

I know who that is but LeISH doesnt

[Manny98]

They had Pau Gasol the best second option in the entire NBA at the time

Lamar Odom a guy who could do everything

Derek Fisher one of the clutchest role players in NBA history

Prime Trevor Ariza an elite 3 & D role player that every team would love to have

Andrew Bynum a guy that could easily be a 20/10 guy on his own team

Plus GOAT coaching in Phil Jackson

Tell me how that's not stacked lol

[kennethgriffen]

But you still rooted for Kobe and the Lakers after he was arrested and eventually paid her off.


kobe is at worst a libcuck era rapist where a woman can change her mind about consent halfway through and charge you with a crime.. i don't believe in this law that only protects women. no man has ever been able to say this about a woman they regretted hooking up with



lebron on the other hand is a rapist of teams futures/fans/the sport/other players careers and rings they deserved more than a cheater

[hiphopanonymous]

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--3OiNJCAY--/18j5vlow7tb26jpg.jpg

http://addictsites.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/0298-300x225.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/26/article-0-1A85EF1D000005DC-203_634x763.jpg

Kobe's help

[superduper]

They had Pau Gasol the best second option in the entire NBA at the time
the one decent player Kobe had who did nothing notable before Kobe and was spoonfed wide open at least 60% of his buckets by Kobe

Lamar Odom a guy who could do everything
he did a whole lot of everything the very year he was no longer under Kobe

Derek Fisher one of the clutchest role players in NBA history
two or three shots don't excuse a 15+ year career of career 8ppg on 39%

Prime Trevor Ariza an elite 3 & D role player that every team would love to have
prime? baby Ariza back then was pretty okay with his 8ppg contribution but he was nowhere close to what he is now.

Andrew Bynum a guy that could easily be a 20/10 guy on his own team
i guess you literally didn't see what happened when he had his own team :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Plus GOAT coaching in Phil Jackson
good at managing egos but gifted three ATG players.

Tell me how that's not stacked lol

Don't forget to mention:

Sasha Vujacic
Jordan Farmar
DJ Mbenga
Adam Morrison
Josh Powwell
Shannon Brown
Vladimir Radmonovic
Sun Yue

[Hey Yo]

Of course I knew. I'm talking about the 2009 cast in this topic.

Ron was a good addition but he also got absolutely raped the year or two years before in the Houston Lakers playoff series when him and prime Shane Battier tried to 1v2 defend Kobe but got exposed and embarrassed.

Then he decided to corner a naked Kobe in the shower and beg him to be carried to a ring.
Your opening post:

"carry this cast to not one but TWO rings back to back

That would be false. MWP wasn't on the team in 2009, but was in 2010.

Therefor, Kobe didn't carry those in that picture to B2B rings cause the entire team isn't pictured.

[StrongLurk]

Which teams in the NBA at that time were more talented?

[Manny98]

Let's not forget how they added another star in World Peace gtfo Kobe stans acting like that's not stacked

[superduper]

Which teams in the NBA at that time were more talented?

None because they didnt have Kobe

[superduper]

Let's not forget how they added another star in World Peace gtfo Kobe stans acting like that's not stacked

Oh the guy that forcefully barged in on a naked Kobe and forced him to the corner in his vulnerable state and begged to be carried to a ring?

Is that who you're referring to?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: at star. He was once but not at that point of his career.

Proof you didn't watch back then. Don't blame you, you were fking 10 years old.

[StrongLurk]

None because they didnt have Kobe

So they were the best team in the league?

[superduper]

So they were the best team in the league?

Because of one player yes.

Not overall.

[Manny98]

He put up all star numbers the year before and hit the biggest shot of the 2010 finals

[Hey Yo]

Oh the guy that forcefully barged in on a naked Kobe and forced him to the corner in his vulnerable state and begged to be carried to a ring?

Is that who you're referring to?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: at star. He was once but not at that point of his career.

Proof you didn't watch back then. Don't blame you, you were fking 10 years old.
He was a reigning All-NBA defensive player in 2009.

You sure you were watching, chico??

[StrongLurk]

Because of one player yes.

Not overall.

...so they were the best team in the league then.

[superduper]

He was a reigning All-NBA defensive player in 2009.

You sure you were watching, chico??

Kobe was All-NBA defensive player 12 times which is the most ever for a guard.

Good argument there.

[zeerghit]

Because of one player yes.

Not overall.
that player averaged 41%FG in all finals, such a beast with clown suit

[kennethgriffen]

He put up all star numbers the year before and hit the biggest shot of the 2010 finals



artest was a 1 year wonder flash in the pan and was never the same after the brawl


plus kobe won a title without him a year before

[superduper]

...so they were the best team in the league then.

Kobe.

[Manny98]

artest was a 1 year wonder flash in the pan and was never the same after the brawl


plus kobe won a title without him a year before
Thanks to KG getting injured and Kobe having by far the best #2 in the league as his sidekick

[superduper]

that player averaged 41%FG in all finals, such a beast with clown suit

What?

Kobe averaged 32/6/7/1/1 on 43% while shooting the hardest difficulty shots in history over double-triple teams.

Prime Westbrook and Rozer are 41% and 39% players respectively.

[superduper]

Thanks to KG getting injured and Kobe having by far the best #2 in the league as his sidekick

Explain 0-16

[Manny98]

What?

Kobe averaged 32/6/7/1/1 on 43% while shooting the hardest difficulty shots in history over double-triple teams.

Prime Westbrook and Rozer are 41% and 39% players respectively.
https://i.postimg.cc/9MP6x9RT/photo.jpg

[Hey Yo]

Kobe was All-NBA defensive player 12 times which is the most ever for a guard.

Good argument there.
Confirmed deflection and you didn't watch. Plus you didn't even know he wasn't in the picture.

Why are Kobe stans so dumb???

[zeerghit]

What?

Kobe averaged 32/6/7/1/1 on 43% while shooting the hardest difficulty shots in history over double-triple teams.

Prime Westbrook and Rozer are 41% and 39% players respectively.
WHAT? kobe averaged 25/5/5 on 41-42%FG in his all finals

[DMAVS41]

What other elite player in the league at that time had more help in terms of supporting cast and coaching?

[StrongLurk]

Kobe.

What happened 05-08 and then post 2010?

[superduper]

https://i.postimg.cc/9MP6x9RT/photo.jpg

Once again Manny bringing up contextless stats in a time when he was 10 years old and didnt watch Pau getting spoonfed wide open all of his buckets by Kobe.

[Manny98]

Explain 0-16
Explain

Kobe missing the playoffs in 05

Choking a 3-1 lead in 06

And getting his cheeks busted in the 1st round in 07

Also this...

https://i.postimg.cc/9MP6x9RT/photo.jpg

[StrongLurk]

What other elite player in the league at that time had more help in terms of supporting cast and coaching?

That's exactly what I've been saying. Lakers were clearly a top 2 team (with the Celtics) 08-10.

[superduper]

WHAT? kobe averaged 25/5/5 on 41-42%FG in his all finals

We're talking about the year with the cast in the picture which is '09.

Catch up.

[zeerghit]

What happened 05-08 and then post 2010?
the goat missed plf and lost in first round, but u know tanking.. missed 16 games 28-38 with kobe, lots of shit

[superduper]

Explain

Kobe missing the playoffs in 05

Choking a 3-1 lead in 06

And getting his cheeks busted in the 1st round in 07

Also this...

https://i.postimg.cc/9MP6x9RT/photo.jpg

Once again Manny bringing up contextless stats in a time when he was 10 years old and didnt watch Pau getting spoonfed wide open all of his buckets by Kobe.

[zeerghit]

We're talking about the year with the cast in the picture which is '09.

Catch up.
u said becouse THAT PLAYER so that player sucked always u see the point?

[superduper]

I literally got 5 Bran stans replying within 5s of my posts :roll:

Bran stans right now:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/ba926b48e7e362e0fa082c58213b4eeb/tenor.gif

[kennethgriffen]

Thanks to KG getting injured and Kobe having by far the best #2 in the league as his sidekick


gasol wasn't a better #2 than:

the spurs #2 and #3

the celtics #2 and #3

the nuggets #2

the blazers #2

the Mavericks #2

the Hornets #2

the jazz #2

the suns #2

[superduper]

What other elite player in the league at that time had more help in terms of supporting cast and coaching?

Derek "8ppg 39%" Fisher
Shannon "7ppg 42%" Brown
Luke "5ppg 42%" Walton
Pau "0-16 Gasol"
Andrew "OutOfTheLeague" Bynum
Sasha Vujecic
Jordan Farmar
DJ Mbenga
Adam Morrison
Vladimir Radmonivic
Sun Yue

Point out where I'm wrong.

[zeerghit]

I literally got 5 Bran stans replying within 5s of my posts :roll:

Bran stans right now:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/ba926b48e7e362e0fa082c58213b4eeb/tenor.gif
nobody gives a f*ck about you

[DMAVS41]

We're talking about the year with the cast in the picture which is '09.

Catch up.

Ok.

What other elite player in the league had a better supporting cast and coaching in 09?

[superduper]

Ok.

What other elite player in the league had a better supporting cast and coaching in 09?

Derek "8ppg 39%" Fisher
Shannon "7ppg 42%" Brown
Luke "5ppg 42%" Walton
Pau "0-16 Gasol"
Andrew "OutOfTheLeague" Bynum
Sasha Vujecic
Jordan Farmar
DJ Mbenga
Adam Morrison
Vladimir Radmonivic
Sun Yue

Point out where I'm wrong.

[superduper]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/ba926b48e7e362e0fa082c58213b4eeb/tenor.gif

..

[DMAVS41]

Derek "8ppg 39%" Fisher
Shannon "7ppg 42%" Brown
Luke "5ppg 42%" Walton
Pau "0-16 Gasol"
Andrew "OutOfTheLeague" Bynum
Sasha Vujecic
Jordan Farmar
DJ Mbenga
Adam Morrison
Vladimir Radmonivic
Sun Yue

Point out where I'm wrong.

On most of it, but I'll wait until you tell me what other elite player had more help in 09.

Certainly isn't Dirk / Wade / Lebron...I'd argue Howard isn't "elite" like those guys were, but even him...I'd argue you'd rather have Kobe's team / coaching.

So, who is it?

[StrongLurk]

Derek "8ppg 39%" Fisher
Shannon "7ppg 42%" Brown
Luke "5ppg 42%" Walton
Pau "0-16 Gasol"
Andrew "OutOfTheLeague" Bynum
Sasha Vujecic
Jordan Farmar
DJ Mbenga
Adam Morrison
Vladimir Radmonivic
Sun Yue

Point out where I'm wrong.

So how come Kobe was so bad 05-08 and after 2010...what happened?

[superduper]

On most of it, but I'll wait until you tell me what other elite player had more help in 09.

Dwight Howard.

[superduper]

So how come Kobe was so bad 05-08 and after 2010...what happened?

I mean... I guess

Derek "8ppg 39%" Fisher
Shannon "7ppg 42%" Brown
Luke "5ppg 42%" Walton
Pau "0-16 Gasol"
Andrew "OutOfTheLeague" Bynum
Sasha Vujecic
Jordan Farmar
DJ Mbenga
Adam Morrison
Vladimir Radmonivic
Sun Yue

were better than

Smush Parker
Chris Mihm
Kwame Brown
Brian Cook
Devin Green

...you got me

[kennethgriffen]

So how come Kobe was so bad 05-08 and after 2010...what happened?


so much stuff to pick apart here lol


05-08?

they went to the finals in 08

after 2010?

they had a 57-25 record in 2011

a 621.% winning rate in the shortened 2012 season

and had the 2nd best record in the nba after the allstar break in 2013



if you meant to say "what happened in 2005-07 and after 2014..." .. kwame/smush happened and an achilles rupture

[DMAVS41]

Dwight Howard.

You mean clown 23 year old Dwight Howard that is a team cancer and bum...never done anything...blah blah blah...

Such low expectations for Kobe...you seem impressed he beat bum Dwight Howard and a now out of the league coach.

Nope. Try again.

:cheers:

[StrongLurk]

I mean... I guess

Derek "8ppg 39%" Fisher
Shannon "7ppg 42%" Brown
Luke "5ppg 42%" Walton
Pau "0-16 Gasol"
Andrew "OutOfTheLeague" Bynum
Sasha Vujecic
Jordan Farmar
DJ Mbenga
Adam Morrison
Vladimir Radmonivic
Sun Yue

were better than

Smush Parker
Chris Mihm
Kwame Brown
Brian Cook
Devin Green

...you got me

So now you are saying that a player needs a talented team to win a chip? Certainly a more talented team than 95% of the NBA?

You've finally come to a logical conclusion :applause:

[Manny98]

gasol wasn't a better #2 than:

the spurs #2 and #3

the celtics #2 and #3

the nuggets #2

the blazers #2

the Mavericks #2

the Hornets #2

the jazz #2

the suns #2
Jason Terry is better than Pau Gasol? :roll:

David West is better than Pau Gasol? :roll:

Old Ray Allen is better than Pau Gasol? :roll:

Rookie Aldridge is better than Pau Gasol? :roll:

[StrongLurk]

so much stuff to pick apart here lol


05-08?

they went to the finals in 08

after 2010?

they had a 57-25 record in 2011

a 621.% winning rate in the shortened 2012 season

and had the 2nd best record in the nba after the allstar break in 2013



if you meant to say "what happened in 2005-07 and after 2014..." .. kwame/smush happened and an achilles rupture

But Kobe didn't have a good supporting cast according to superduper. If "0-16" Gasol is all Kobe had...then what happened the other years? Kobe never had a good supporting cast according to superduper.

[RRR3]

Jason Terry is better than Pau Gasol? :roll:

David West is better than Pau Gasol? :roll:

Old Ray Allen is better than Pau Gasol? :roll:

Rookie Aldridge is better than Pau Gasol? :roll:
:roll:


Kenny strikes again!

[34-24 Footwork]

Imagine thinking that Pau Gasol was a better basketball player than Ray Allen.

If nothing else told you that these dudes started watching basketball in 2010....

[34-24 Footwork]

lol @ pretending like 2008-2010 were stacked.

Damn. There's no bottom for a kobe hater

[StrongLurk]

Imagine thinking that Pau Gasol was a better basketball player than Ray Allen.

If nothing else told you that these dudes started watching basketball in 2010....

Pau Gasol WAS better than Ray Allen in 08-10 tho...isn't this what we are talking about here?

Sure, Ray Allen > Gasol for their whole careers...by that's not the time frame we are talking about.

[superduper]

lol @ pretending like 2008-2010 were stacked.

Damn. There's no bottom for a kobe hater

They're bringing up Ron Artest like he was some superstar in '10 but conveniently forget Ray Allen/Chris Bosh/Dwyane Wade/Kyrie Irving/Kevin Love/Derrick Rose (who is SHINING this year post Bran ball)/etc.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[kennethgriffen]

Jason Terry is better than Pau Gasol? :roll:

David West is better than Pau Gasol? :roll:

Old Ray Allen is better than Pau Gasol? :roll:

Rookie Aldridge is better than Pau Gasol? :roll:


jason terry took out lebron in the finals and averaged more ppg than gasol did during those years

david west back in 2008/09 was better. yes... he averaged like 21ppg

old ray allen? he was 33... he was still averaging 18ppg with 41% threes

aldridge was in year 3 and 4 averaging 18ppg both years

[34-24 Footwork]

Pau Gasol WAS better than Ray Allen in 08-10 tho...isn't this what we are talking about here?

Sure, Ray Allen > Gasol for their whole careers...by that's not the time frame we are talking about.


Riiiiight. Tell me more about PRIME Ron Artest for the Lakers :lol

[kennethgriffen]

its funny how ron artest is some kind of superstar with 17ppg on 40% in 2009


but guys i brought up who averaged 19-21ppg on way better shooting during those years are trash


:roll:

[StrongLurk]

Riiiiight. Tell me more about PRIME Ron Artest for the Lakers :lol

What? I never mentioned Metta World Peace?

What does he have to do with Gasol being better than Ray in 08-10?

[RRR3]

Rose had been garbage for half a decade but it’s LeBron’s fault he was bad last year?

Superduperdumb, ladies and gents

[Manny98]

jason terry took out lebron in the finals and averaged more ppg than gasol did during those years

david west back in 2008/09 was better. yes... he averaged like 21ppg

old ray allen? he was 33... he was still averaging 18ppg with 41% threes

aldridge was in year 3 and 4 averaging 18ppg both years
So?

Gasol averaged 19ppg off 57% from the field and led the Lakers in win shares ahead of Kobe himself

He also finished top 5 in the entire NBA in win shares and BPM that year as well

Gasol was a top 10 player in the NBA in Lakers championship years

[34-24 Footwork]

My question is why do Bron stans stop there?

Vujecic>Wade
Fisher>Ray Allen
DJ Mbenga> Bosh
Shannon Brown>Mike Miller

just go full retard. quit holding back

[kennethgriffen]

So?

Gasol averaged 19ppg off 57% from the field and led the Lakers in win shares ahead of Kobe himself

He also finished top 5 in the entire NBA in win shares and BPM that year as well

Gasol was a top 10 player in the NBA in Lakers championship years

i guess 22 year old kobe was better than the MDE peak shaq


he led LA in winshares for the 2001 playoffs


woops



22 year old kobe =new goat peak

[StrongLurk]

My question is why do Bron stans stop there?

Vujecic>Wade
Fisher>Ray Allen
DJ Mbenga> Bosh
Shannon Brown>Mike Miller

just go full retard. quit holding back

You are changing the discussion, just focus man.

You are letting some of the retard Lebron stans get to you.

[superduper]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Rose had been garbage for half a decade but it

[tpols]

Whats funny to me is how many Lakers fans were adamant they had the best team in the league and now a few(very few) people decided they weren't talented in retrospect.


compared to all the team hoppin super teams since, they werent that talented.

[zeerghit]

My question is why do Bron stans stop there?

Vujecic>Wade
Fisher>Ray Allen
DJ Mbenga> Bosh
Shannon Brown>Mike Miller

just go full retard. quit holding back
u such a fake clown, who said that? u cant defend urself so u just trying to deflect the point

[Manny98]

i guess 22 year old kobe was better than the MDE peak shaq


he led LA in winshares for the 2001 playoffs


woops



22 year old kobe =new goat peak
I'm not denying Kobe > Shaq in the 2001 playoffs

That was probably Kobes best playoff run in his career

[RRR3]

compared to all the team hoppin super teams since, they werent that talented.
And if they played in a league with those teams they wouldn’t have won shit.


Like Kblaze said relative to the rest of the league at the time they were an elite team.

[RRR3]

Why is he shining this year one year removed from Bran ball?

RRR3tard everyone!!
Are you braindead?


You literally ignored him being awful in the years prior to playing with LeBron and doubled down on your insane point.

[kennethgriffen]

I'm not denying Kobe > Shaq in the 2001 playoffs

That was probably Kobes best playoff run in his career


hey you can have 2010 if you give kobe 2001


that makes kobe arguable goat



2010 was nice too but outperforming peak shaq and having the goat playoff run is far more groundbreaking

[34-24 Footwork]

So 2009-2010 Lakers were elite? :oldlol:

we sticking with this...?

all because yall hate kobe?

Yikes....

[tpols]

[QUOTE=RRR3]And if they played in a league with those teams they wouldn

[Ben Simmons 25]

Whats funny to me is how many Lakers fans were adamant they had the best team in the league and now a few(very few) people decided they weren't talented in retrospect.

:roll:

[Ben Simmons 25]

That roster is so shitty that I could beat 4 guys on that roster

They win the majority of the games but I'd win some

Walton (i did), vujacic, morrison and farmar - none if these guys were legit NBA players

No... you wouldn't win a single game. Not one... with any of them.

Go back to the other accounts. :D

[DMAVS41]

They absolutely would have put up a better fight against Warriors than cleveland did... their post games are golden state's kryptonite defensively.

And hang with the spurs who beat miami in record fashion... they regularly made work of.

Well, yea...the 09 Lakers match up better with the Warriors of the last two years than the Cavs of the last two years did.

But his point is a good one...while they may match up better and not get swept...they would be drawing dead in a series against the Warriors.

Just a different league back in 09...there were no superteams and the truly best players didn't have much help.

If Carmelo or 23 year old Dwight Howard without an elite supporting cast are the toughest competition an all-time great like Kobe faces (with a great 2nd option in Gasol) and one of the greatest coaches ever...it is a pretty easy road to the title relatively speaking.

[Rico2016]

Whats funny to me is how many Lakers fans were adamant they had the best team in the league and now a few(very few) people decided they weren't talented in retrospect.

This x1,000,000

I had buddies telling me that Bynum was gonna be the best center ever. Not better then Dwight at the time best, but better then Shaq O Neal.

"We have Bynum the future; we got three 7 footers (Pau, Bynum, Lamar) we have the three tress we cant be beat we da bess" is what I remember hearing too. but then again youd have to be watching basketball all those years ago and not just starting watching it a few years ago lol :oldlol:

[Rico2016]

Explain

Kobe missing the playoffs in 05

Choking a 3-1 lead in 06

And getting his cheeks busted in the 1st round in 07

Also this...

https://i.postimg.cc/9MP6x9RT/photo.jpg


Uh oh...This will likely go ignored by the Kobe fanz

[Kblaze8855]

compared to all the team hoppin super teams since, they werent that talented.


Its like talking about the 01 Lakers. Not that talented by todays standards but when you consider Shaq and Kobe had eachother and the best #2s on any other teams were Finley, Antione Walker, Peja, Glenn Robinson, and Cuttino Mobley?

Lakers #2 is a near 30ppg Kobe. The best anyone else had....was Antione Walker.

Relative to the league that is too much to handle.

[Rico2016]

Tell you what....this is ISH on the subject in 2009:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=142669&page=2


Thank you, a lot of stuff like this saying 2010 Lakers > 2001 Lakers


You've gotta be kidding me. Gasol is literally the perfect sidekick and big man for the triangle offense. He's the best passing big man, basically a double digit rebounder, a top 3-5 post scorer, a damn good shooter for his size and a capable 20 ppg scorer in his own right. Gasol was the leader of 50 win teams in the West in the past. Odom is also a borderline all-star, Fisher is an experienced veteran, Ariza was a good defender, athletic finisher and three point shooter, Bynum was atleast a big body vs Howard.

Shaq's 2000 Lakers cast was worse. Sure Kobe was good, but he was young, inconsistent and injured. Glen Rice did nothing but shoot(and he didn't do that as well as he usually did) and after that who did they have? Hell Fisher shot under 35% that season! Harper could help set up the offense a bit and play solid defense, but he also basically didn't score and shot under 40%. Fox didn't do much that season because of Rice.

Hell, during the 3peat the Lakers didn't have any real talent outside of Shaq and Kobe or any consistent role players besides Fox.

Hakeem didn't even have a 15 ppg scorer on the 1994 Rockets. Who was his second option? He didn't have a second or 3rd option like Gasol or Odom.

[tpols]

Well, yea...the 09 Lakers match up better with the Warriors of the last two years than the Cavs of the last two years did.

But his point is a good one...while they may match up better and not get swept...they would be drawing dead in a series against the Warriors.

Just a different league back in 09...there were no superteams and the truly best players didn't have much help.

If Carmelo or 23 year old Dwight Howard without an elite supporting cast are the toughest competition an all-time great like Kobe faces (with a great 2nd option in Gasol) and one of the greatest coaches ever...it is a pretty easy road to the title relatively speaking.


2010 Lakers wouldve had a much better chance against the Warriors when they upgraded ariza with artest, and bynum better. Thats the perfect squad to play bully ball with on both sides of the court, they have tremendous size and length advantage, and ridiculous amount of post players who played with teamwork.

[DMAVS41]

2010 Lakers wouldve had a much better chance against the Warriors when they upgraded ariza with artest, and bynum better. Thats the perfect squad to play bully ball with on both sides of the court, they have tremendous size and length advantage, and ridiculous amount of post players who played with teamwork.

Again, yep...they would have had a better chance, but they'd still have no chance.

Maybe they get to 6 games to make it interesting or something...but probably not even that.

They wouldn't score well enough to keep up with the Warriors.

Only been a few years, but the game really has changed so much...the Lakers would just lose too many points off not shooting / making enough 3's.

[tpols]

Again, yep...they would have had a better chance, but they'd still have no chance.

Maybe they get to 6 games to make it interesting or something...but probably not even that.

They wouldn't score well enough to keep up with the Warriors.

Only been a few years, but the game really has changed so much...the Lakers would just lose too many points off not shooting / making enough 3's.



Total BS.

Houston was a hair away from beating them minus chris paul. In the previous year, San Antonio was crushing them before kawhi got hurt, and OKC had them on the ropes in their 73 win season. There's no "no chance" here...Lebrons teams are the only ones who get train run on them by the warriors because they dont play defense for 95% of the year. Lakers played defense and had the offensive counter to their personel.

[DMAVS41]

Total BS.

Houston was a hair away from beating them minus chris paul. In the previous year, San Antonio was crushing them before kawhi got hurt, and OKC had them on the ropes in their 73 win season. There's no "no chance" here...Lebrons teams are the only ones who get train run on them by the warriors because they dont play defense for 95% of the year. Lakers played defense and had the offensive counter to their personel.

You are referencing not even a full game...and the team lost the game. That is absurd.

Yep, and Houston was literally designed to beat the Warriors.

Lebron's teams are the only ones? What?

The Warriors are 32-6 in the playoffs the last two years...with 3 of those losses coming to the one team they've faced so far that had a chance.

But, yea, just Lebron.

Why are you talking about the non-Durant Warriors? Of course other teams would have a much better chance to beat them...and the Cavs did...and OKC almost did...etc.

You were clearly talking about the 17 and 18 Warriors...and no, sorry, a 2010 Kobe led team that can't hit 3's isn't beating the 17 or 18 Warriors.

Come back to reality please...

[LAmbruh]

Total BS.

Houston was a hair away from beating them minus chris paul. In the previous year, San Antonio was crushing them before kawhi got hurt, and OKC had them on the ropes in their 73 win season. There's no "no chance" here...Lebrons teams are the only ones who get train run on them by the warriors because they dont play defense for 95% of the year. Lakers played defense and had the offensive counter to their personel.
Playoffs

Cavaliers vs Warriors

2015: 2-4
2016: 4-3
2017: 1-4

7-11 or .363


Western Conf vs Warriors

2015: 3-12
2016: 5-12
2017: 0-12

8-36 or .222


:yaohappy:

[Smoke117]

Total BS.

Houston was a hair away from beating them minus chris paul. In the previous year, San Antonio was crushing them before kawhi got hurt, and OKC had them on the ropes in their 73 win season. There's no "no chance" here...Lebrons teams are the only ones who get train run on them by the warriors because they dont play defense for 95% of the year. Lakers played defense and had the offensive counter to their personel.

meltdown :roll:

[Dray n Klay]

Total BS.

Houston was a hair away from beating them minus chris paul. In the previous year, San Antonio was crushing them before kawhi got hurt, and OKC had them on the ropes in their 73 win season. There's no "no chance" here...Lebrons teams are the only ones who get train run on them by the warriors because they dont play defense for 95% of the year. Lakers played defense and had the offensive counter to their personel.


Sorry bud, Rockets has 2 players better than anyone on the 2010 Lakers


This wouldn

[LAmbruh]

Sorry bud, Rockets has 2 players better than anyone on the 2010 Lakers


This wouldn’t be like Kobe facing Dwight Howard in the Finals
Wasn't CP3 the guy they begged to collude with Kobe so he could get over the 2011 Jason Terry sweep?


Yikes

[tpols]

who cares what the warriors record is in their first & second round sweeps...

The whole point is they've been very beatable by the other contending teams they faced outside of the Cavaliers. They literally have won by a single thread of hair in two of the years, a last second coin flip away from being beat by teams that were inferior to the repeat Lakers.

Thats the reality.

[PickernRoller]

You already slaughtered these fools.... why keep beating the dead horse?

Already deploying alts to piggyback on their own posts and suck off each other's nonsense aka defeat.

[tpols]

my only issue is people saying no chance any past great team could beat these warriors...when we've seen with our own two eyes teams with inferior talent to LA or 90s bulls or whoever come extremely close to beating them.

[TheImmortal]

Goes to show how great Kobe Bryant is.. you don't bet against Kobe and MJ even in a stacked conference. There's a reason why peers and vegas respected these legends. Unlike LeBran and his ghost act in the real NBA.

[DMAVS41]

who cares what the warriors record is in their first & second round sweeps...

The whole point is they've been very beatable by the other contending teams they faced outside of the Cavaliers. They literally have won by a single thread of hair in two of the years, a last second coin flip away from being beat by teams that were inferior to the repeat Lakers.

Thats the reality.

You were talking about the Warriors with Durant. And, no, they have not been "very beatable"...they'd played one team in which the result was in doubt.

The 15 and 16 Warriors aren't part of this conversation, or I'd say wouldn't make sense at all to make them part of it...because the Cavs already beat them.

You are also over-rating the 10 Lakers of course...

So, we have a thread in which the 09 and 10 Lakers outside of Kobe are scrubs according to Kobe fans...but then those same teams would beat or take to the brink the 17 and 18 Warriors (a team on the short list for greatest team ever)...

Yep, Kobe stans still don't know which direction is up and which is down...

[DMAVS41]

my only issue is people saying no chance any past great team could beat these warriors...when we've seen with our own two eyes teams with inferior talent to LA or 90s bulls or whoever come extremely close to beating them.

No, we saw one "team" that matched up perfectly against the Warriors...almost beat them.

There are no "teams" here...

Past prime Kobe on a team that can't shoot 3's well is not being the 17 or 18 Warriors in a series.

This isn't hard...stop making something out of nothing.

[LAVAR BALL]

Well Warriors on their runs had a lot of things going in their favors:

2015 Western playoffs teams decimated by injuries + Love/Irving
Kawhi Injurie in 2016
OKC Meltdown in Western Finals
Houston 0/27 from 3 during the G7 (still have trouble explaining this one).

Matching them against an ATG team is really hard, especially if they have to play with today's rules: i don't see any team holding them under the 15 3pts/game, they have 3 closers, they can rely on KD (whose place among All -Time scorers will have to be talked about soon) on half-court set, there are playmakers everywhere on the court... Even if they feel a little less unbeatable than previous years, matching against them is something crazy.

2010 Lakers Team was great for their time: they had prime Kobe, Gasol (who i felt was underrated), a 7 foot pippen-lite, Bynum who was 2 years away from being All-Star, defense, and smart role players who knew their roles. But the league shifted toward speed and 3, and that's exactly what the Warriors are built for: Gasol/Bynum won't dissuade Curry and Klay from shooting 24 3 combined, KD could match Kobe point for point, and if you want to play the W's with 7 footers, be sure they are quite the athletes, or they'll be kicked out of the building.

I would have loved to see a 2006 Phoenix suns Matching against these Warriors (Not enough defense for the Suns to in win it, imo, but the matchup would have been great)

[tpols]

No, we saw one "team" that matched up perfectly against the Warriors...almost beat them.


Thats the silliest argument ive heard to date... that the reason Houston almost beat golden state with their second option hurt was because they matched up with them "perfectly".

They played the same way any team has to play to hang with the dubs. Slow it down, control the ball with your stars, and play elite defense. Lakers..had better defensive personel than houston, and they had better, healthier stars to control the action and limit golden states semi & full transition tidal waves. They had a better team than houston no doubt and there's no "perfect matchup" that the latter had over them. In fact, its the lakers that had a better matchup due to their superior size, post ability, and team play. And Kobe + pau being >>> eric gordon + james harden.

Thats gotta be the most bogus buzzword bullshit reasoning ive ever heard... perfect matchup. :lol


How?

[1987_Lakers]

What people fail to realize is that there were no super teams back in 2009, besides maybe the Celtics who were without KG in the playoffs.

So relative to their competition, the Lakers were the most talented team in the league that year. They beat the Nuggets & the Magic in the conference finals and finals, you gonna tell me those teams were more talented than the Lakers?

Everytime Kobe-Odom-Gasol were on the floor together, they seemed to overwhelm teams with their size and skill, Ariza was also money in the postseason and the Lakers got worse when they replaced him with Artest.

2017-current Warriors would have slaughtered the Lakers.

[DMAVS41]

Thats the silliest argument ive heard to date... that the reason Houston almost beat golden state with their second option hurt was because they matched up with them "perfectly".

They played the same way any team has to play to hang with the dubs. Slow it down, control the ball with your stars, and play elite defense. Lakers..had better defensive personel than houston, and they had better, healthier stars to control the action and limit golden states semi & full transition tidal waves. They had a better team than houston no doubt and there's no "perfect matchup" that the latter had over them. In fact, its the lakers that had a better matchup due to their superior size, post ability, and team play. And Kobe + pau being >>> eric gordon + james harden.

Thats gotta be the most bogus buzzword bullshit reasoning ive ever heard... perfect matchup. :lol


How?

Well, they did...it was a team pretty much built to beat the Warriors.

And that isn't it. The Rockets were just a historically good team by every measure. The fact that you think the 10 Lakers were clearly better just shows how biased you are. There is no evidence the 10 Lakers are any better...

Also, Paul played the first 5 games...in which the Rockets won 3.

They lost the 2 games he didn't play...so you listing Gordon and Harden is wrong, as usual...

Nothing changes man...you, for some reason, think you can lie about a series we saw a few months ago.

Again, you aren't beating one of the GOAT teams with a past prime Kobe and a bunch of guys that can consistently hit 3's...

The 10 Lakers couldn't even crack the top 10 in offense that year...and were hardly a defensive force as a team...

Sorry, that just isn't close to good enough.

[tpols]

How though? What perfect matchup?


Houston basically did what the cavs did in 2015 when they almost shocked them except with two guys instead of one. They played slow, iso, turtle ball. Stifle momentum with long possessions, and play great defense. Lakers could do that. Even better than houston as Kobe was > playoff harden (easily), and a healthy pau was better than 5 games of paul. Odom obviously better than gordon as well. artest, PJ, even capela bynum... line it up down the rosters, and overall the lakers were better. Teamwork worked for them as well widening the gap.


if you were wise you wouldve pointed out that golden state was playing more iso ball and had lost their GOAT teamwork play in that series... but you just made up a total bs reasoning and couldnt explain it given many chances.


Not to mention your logic completely breaks down given hypotheticals with the warriors versus GOAT teams from the 80s & 90s... if 'old' kobe & his squad couldnt hit enough 3's to keep up, how would all those older teams fare when they were far far worse especially the '96 bulls.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

LA had great post play, size, defense, decent shooting, better coaching and THE best player in the hypothetical - Kobe.

I'm taking the 2009 and 2010 Laker teams over gimp Paul and Harden's Rockets. Every time.

[DMAVS41]

LA had great post play, size, defense, decent shooting, better coaching and THE best player in the hypothetical - Kobe.

I'm taking the 2009 and 2010 Laker teams over gimp Paul and Harden's Rockets. Every time.

That isn't the question.

It is which team has a better shot to beat the Warriors....

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

How though? What perfect matchup?


Houston basically did what the cavs did in 2015 when they almost shocked them except with two guys instead of one. They played slow, iso, turtle ball. Stifle momentum with long possessions, and play great defense. Lakers could do that. Even better than houston as Kobe was > playoff harden (easily), and a healthy pau was better than 5 games of paul. Odom obviously better than gordon as well. artest, PJ, even capela bynum... line it up down the rosters, and overall the lakers were better. Teamwork worked for them as well widening the gap.


if you were wise you wouldve pointed out that golden state was playing more iso ball and had lost their GOAT teamwork play in that series... but you just made up a total bs reasoning and couldnt explain it given many chances.


Not to mention your logic completely breaks down given hypotheticals with the warriors versus GOAT teams from the 80s & 90s... if 'old' kobe & his squad couldnt hit enough 3's to keep up, how would all those older teams fare when they were far far worse especially the '96 bulls.

The 18 Warriors are a different story.

Don't see Kobe's Lakers beating them but I also believe it'd be close. 6 to 7 games for sure, considering what we saw from Houston.

[DMAVS41]

How though? What perfect matchup?


Houston basically did what the cavs did in 2015 when they almost shocked them except with two guys instead of one. They played slow, iso, turtle ball. Stifle momentum with long possessions, and play great defense. Lakers could do that. Even better than houston as Kobe was > playoff harden (easily), and a healthy pau was better than 5 games of paul. Odom obviously better than gordon as well. artest, PJ, even capela bynum... line it up down the rosters, and overall the lakers were better. Teamwork worked for them as well widening the gap.


if you were wise you wouldve pointed out that golden state was playing more iso ball and had lost their GOAT teamwork play in that series... but you just made up a total bs reasoning and couldnt explain it given many chances.


Not to mention your logic completely breaks down given hypotheticals with the warriors versus GOAT teams from the 80s & 90s... if 'old' kobe & his squad couldnt hit enough 3's to keep up, how would all those older teams fare when they were far far worse especially the '96 bulls.


How?

They had a team that was comfortable shooting a ton of 3's...a bunch of solid wing defenders, one of the best one on one players of all time...this before even mentioning Paul

And, as a team, they played historically good offense and managed to defend quite well given how they played.

Comparing teams across eras is very difficult...not sure this needs to be said as everyone knows this.

You are doing a number of flawed things here;

1. Over-rating 2010 Kobe

2. Not understanding just how good the Rockets were (most measures will paint them as a better team than the Lakers)

3. Not understanding the issues that Lakers team had on offense...and how hard it would have been for them to score with a team like the Warriors over the course of a series while a guy like Kobe is being defended by Durant/Klay...and being forced to guard Curry/Klay/Durant...at times

4. Imagine the 10 Suns, but with an elite defense (when they try)...that is what the Lakers would have had to beat...oh and throw in 2 players clearly better than anyone on that Suns team as well....LOL, it isn't happening.

[Young X]

Relative to the league at that time, they were stacked. That was right before star players started teaming up. Only the Celtics did it and they were out of their primes or just at the end of it.

Everybody knew the Lakers were easily better than anybody else in the west and would get to the finals in all 3 of those years.

[bigkingsfan]

GM Survey: 2008-09 Predictions
http://www.nba.com/2008/tipoff/10/21/gmsurvey.predictions/

Which team will win NBA Finals 2009?
1. L.A. Lakers -- 46.2%
2. Boston -- 19.2%
3. New Orleans -- 11.5%
4. Houston -- 7.7%
San Antonio -- 7.7%
Others receiving votes: Detroit, Orlando

[Young X]

Also, the Lakers got lucky in 2009 that KG got injured, I'm not even sure if they beat a healthy Celtics team.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Relative to the league at that time, they were stacked. That was right before star players started teaming up. Only the Celtics did it and they were out of their primes or just at the end of it.

Everybody knew the Lakers were easily better than anybody else in the west and would get to the finals in all 3 of those years.

They weren't "easily" better than Denver and Phoenix gave them a run for their money.

Hindsight gives you a nice little narrative, but that's all it is.

@Dmavs - what are you arguing exactly? Reading this thread you seem to think LA wouldn't have a chance. What's your definition of "no chance"? Sweep? 5, 6, a 7 game series?

I don't think the Lakers win either. It wouldn't be easy for the Warriors though.

[RoseCity07]

4 all-stars stacked. Even if Odom and Bynum never made the team they played like an all-stars.

So stacked.

[DMAVS41]

They weren't "easily" better than Denver and Phoenix gave them a run for their money.

Hindsight gives you a nice little narrative, but that's all it is.

@Dmavs - what are you arguing exactly? Reading this thread, you seem to think LA wouldn't have a chance. What's your definition of "chance"? Sweep? 5, 6, a 7 games?

I don't think the Lakers win. It wouldn't be easy for the Warriors either though.

No chance...wouldn't get swept. Likely 5 or 6 game series.

Also, it isn't hindsight...the Lakers were clearly the best team in the league those years...they got pushed a bit, like many champions do, but in no way were they not clearly favorites.

What is funny though...is that I don't see how one can argue the 10 Suns, for example, were really close to the 10 Lakers...and then turn around (not saying you are) and argue the Lakers might beat the Warriors.

The Warriors were close to equal to the 10 Suns on offense (probably better in the playoffs because of the shot making of Durant / Klay / Curry) and a vastly superior defense.

The Lakers aren't beating that...no chance when it comes to a hypothetical...obviously there is always "a chance" for anything...

Seriously...think back to just how great Kobe was in 10 against the Suns. He was amazing...and the Lakers still could have been down 2-3 if a player or two goes the other way. Just on Kobe alone...how is he going to play much better than that? Because we all know it would take better than that against a far superior Warriors team.

Again, rational people understand that just isn't happening.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

No chance...wouldn't get swept. Likely 5 or 6 game series.

So you're saying Houston matched up better vs GS than LA would?

LA isn't only taking them 5...maybe 6...while Houston took them 7. Not seeing it. Paul being out and them having one of the worst shooting exhibitions in history STILL found a way to make it competitive.


Also, it isn't hindsight...the Lakers were clearly the best team in the league those years...they got pushed a bit, like many champions do, but in no way were they not clearly favorites.

It is hindsight if we're saying they were "easily" better. Of course. They won.

They were clearly the best in 2009 after KG got hurt. Easily? No. I'd say Denver was better than Orlando. A few of those WCF games could have gone either way too.

I'll give you 2010 but the Celtics also played down to their competition in the regular-season.

Before the finals, "experts" were on the fence.

http://www.espn.com/nba/playoffs/2010/news/story?page=CelticsLakers-100602


What is funny though...is that I don't see how one can argue the 10 Suns, for example, were really close to the 10 Lakers...and then turn around (not saying you are) and argue the Lakers might beat the Warriors.

It would be a HUGE if. Pau and Kobe would have to be clicking every game with role players shooting lightsout. Since nobody on the team could defend KD they'd also have to "contain" one of Steph or Klay.

Essentially a perfectly played series.

Not happening.

[DMAVS41]

So you're saying Houston matched up better vs GS than LA would?

LA isn't only taking them 5...maybe 6...while Houston took them 7. Not seeing it. Paul being out and them having one of the worst shooting exhibitions in history STILL found a way to make it competitive.



It is hindsight if we're saying they were "easily" better. Of course. They won.

They were clearly the best in 2009 after KG got hurt. Easily? No. I'd say Denver was better than Orlando. A few of those WCF games could have gone either way too.

I'll give you 2010 but the Celtics also played down to their competition in the regular-season.

Before the finals, "experts" were on the fence.

http://www.espn.com/nba/playoffs/2010/news/story?page=CelticsLakers-100602



It would be a HUGE if. Pau and Kobe would have to be clicking every game with role players shooting lightsout. Since nobody on the team could defend KD they'd also have to "contain" one of Steph or Klay.

Essentially a perfectly played series.

Not happening.


Yea...they clearly matched up better in my opinion....and I'd argue just had a better team with Paul playing.

The Rockets last year had a historically good offense and, given how they played, a very good defense. They also had a number of the type of defenders you'd want against the Warriors...and those same defenders were quite comfortable in their role shooting 3's.

None of this is surprising as Morey built the team to beat the Warriors.

Nobody, ever, would build the 2010 Lakers to beat the Warriors.

Again, look at how much trouble (like you said) they had with the Suns...and the Suns don't even sniff the Warriors in terms of talent (matters in the playoffs) or defense (really matters in the playoffs)

People are way too low on that Rockets team last year. Everything they did shows them to be as good or better than many teams that won the title. Tons of past champions wouldn't even make it 7 games with the Warriors.

[superduper]

Relative to the league at that time, they were stacked. That was right before star players started teaming up. Only the Celtics did it and they were out of their primes or just at the end of it.

Everybody knew the Lakers were easily better than anybody else in the west and would get to the finals in all 3 of those years.

You mean before the LeGOAT

[The Iron Fist]

:roll: Saw the title, and immediatley thought of this team. :applause: Stacked huh?:lol

[STATUTORY]

remove Kobe and that's a lottery team

[superduper]

remove Kobe and that's a lottery team

Even THEY know it :lol

[Indian guy]

For its time it's a very good team :confusedshrug:. Gasol/Bynum/Odom/Ariza/Fisher with Phil on the sidelines is an excellent core.

[StrongLurk]

For its time it's a very good team :confusedshrug:. Gasol/Bynum/Odom/Ariza/Fisher with Phil on the sidelines is an excellent core.

Basically Kobe stans itt are admitting that Kobe would have ZERO rings in this era. No chance to win any rings post 2011 and on even if you used PEAK Kobe for every iterration.

[RRR3]

Basically Kobe stans itt are admitting that Kobe would have ZERO rings in this era. No chance to win any rings post 2011 and on even if you used PEAK Kobe for every iterration.
Kobe stans are infamous for their low IQs. They constantly end up basically admitting things that go against their pathetic agendas.

[talkingconch]

Obviously you need a good ****ing team to win the finals but to say this 2009 Laker team was stacked compared to Post 2011 teams that we have seen....is laughable.

[CelticBaller]

That

[superduper]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]That

[Dray n Klay]

Did anyone on the Lakers come close to 27ppg and the title winning shot in game 7?

LeBron hit the title winning shot..

[RRR3]

Obviously you need a good ****ing team to win the finals but to say this 2009 Laker team was stacked compared to Post 2011 teams that we have seen....is laughable.
Who is saying that?

[talkingconch]

LeBron hit the title winning shot..
you didn't answer his question :roll:

[superduper]

LeBron hit the title winning shot..

1:00 - 89-89- game tied for 6 minutes. Each passing second adding pressure and tension to the game

0:52- 92-89- Kyrie Irving sinks the most clutch shot in NBA history in the face of the only UMVP in history

0:whoCares- 93-89- Bran bricks first FT and hits irrelevant 2nd FT

0:00- 93-89 Cavs- end game, Kyrie Irving wins the title for the Cavs.

[talkingconch]

Who is saying that?
no ones saying that. I'm saying it, as a comparison. Since that is the typical agenda of Laker Haters/Lebron Stans

[RRR3]

superduper thinks making it a two possession game with barely any time left is irrelevant.

Just how dumb is he?

[superduper]

superduper thinks making it a two possession game with barely any time left is irrelevant.

Just how dumb is he?

But who hit the title winning shot in game 7 of the NBA finals?

That's the topic at hand.

As always you deflect and name call like an immature child.

Let the adults talk son, go to your corner

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Basically Kobe stans itt are admitting that Kobe would have ZERO rings in this era. No chance to win any rings post 2011 and on even if you used PEAK Kobe for every iterration.

Saying Kobe would have ZERO rings is being vague. OP is talking about the 2009 and 2010 Lakers.

Shaq and Kobe's 2001 Lakers could beat GSW. Maybe not this Warrior team. We haven't seen enough of Cousins yet. The iterations last year and in 2017? Yeah. LA could absolutely beat GSW.

[NBASTATMAN]

MEANWHILE BRON 'S best teammate was MO WILLIAMS IN 2009.. :banana:

WHO SHOT 38 PERCENT FROM THE FIELD AND avg 13 pts a game ONCE BRON LEFT ..


THIS MAKES LEBRON LOOK LIKE THE GOAT EVEN OVER MJ.. WTF


BRON FANS GOING TO LOVE YOU :applause: :bowdown:

THREAD IS DONE :applause:

[34-24 Footwork]

:roll: Saw the title, and immediatley thought of this team. :applause: Stacked huh?:lol

Lol. I can't believe people are having this conversation in a non-trolling way.

It just goes to show how high of a standard they have for Kobe in relation to other players.

2011, 2014 Miami = not stacked

2016-2017 Cavs = not stacked


2008-2010 Lakers with dudes like Radmonovich, Shannon Brown, Mbenga, and Powell? Stacked af

[jongib369]

That roster is so shitty that I could beat 4 guys on that roster

They win the majority of the games but I'd win some

Walton (i did), vujacic, morrison and farmar - none if these guys were legit NBA players

You beat Walton? I heard you played and there was GIfs or something of you but I never saw them

[Doranku]

MEANWHILE BRON 'S best teammate was MO WILLIAMS IN 2009.. :banana:

WHO SHOT 38 PERCENT FROM THE FIELD AND avg 13 pts a game ONCE BRON LEFT ..


THIS MAKES LEBRON LOOK LIKE THE GOAT EVEN OVER MJ.. WTF


BRON FANS GOING TO LOVE YOU :applause: :bowdown:

THREAD IS DONE :applause:

Uhhh yeah, losing as a 66 win team with HCA to Dwight Howard definitely doesn't make you the goat. :oldlol:

[superduper]

Imagine people STILL spewing up some delusional reality in their head that that's not a lottery cast without Kobe

:facepalm :facepalm

[StrongLurk]

Saying Kobe would have ZERO rings is being vague. OP is talking about the 2009 and 2010 Lakers.

Shaq and Kobe's 2001 Lakers could beat GSW. Maybe not this Warrior team. We haven't seen enough of Cousins yet. The iterations last year and in 2017? Yeah. LA could absolutely beat GSW.

I meant put PEAK Kobe on the 08, 09, and 10 Lakers teams (imo 06 Kobe), and none of those teams win a chip 2011-2019.

[DMAVS41]

Imagine people STILL spewing up some delusional reality in their head that that's not a lottery cast without Kobe

:facepalm :facepalm

Imagine saying 23 year old Dwight Howard with an out of league coach and non elite supporting cast was the best competition...

And not accounting for the competition level.

Pau Gasol was an All-NBA player...and deserved it those years...and while the rest of the cast now wouldn't be strong, it was back then...

Oh, and he had a top 5 coach in NBA history as well.

And, according to you...his toughest competition was 23 year old Howard with Stan Van Gundy coaching and a bunch of decent role players with little to no playoff / finals experience.

:facepalm

And, even worse...but hilarious...the same Kobe stans in this thread that say Kobe had little help...are arguing that they'd beat the 17 and 18 Warriors...or at least would come close...hahaha

[superduper]

Imagine saying 23 year old Dwight Howard with an out of league coach and non elite supporting cast was the best competition...

And not accounting for the competition level.

Pau Gasol was an All-NBA player...and deserved it those years...and while the rest of the cast now wouldn't be strong, it was back then...

Oh, and he had a top 5 coach in NBA history as well.

And, according to you...his toughest competition was 23 year old Howard with Stan Van Gundy coaching and a bunch of decent role players with little to no playoff / finals experience.

:facepalm

And, even worse...but hilarious...the same Kobe stans in this thread that say Kobe had little help...are arguing that they'd beat the 17 and 18 Warriors...or at least would come close...hahaha

Wait, just so I'm clear.

When we say LeGOAT averaged 38/9/9 vs this team but lost because "they were a very good team full of knockdown 3pt shooters all surrounding the most dominant big man of that era playing 4 out 1 in.

But when we're talking in context of Kobe then that team sucked with a 23 year old leading the way with a bunch of YMCA scrubs.

Very interesting change of perception we have here between two different players but for the exact same situation.

[DMAVS41]

Wait, just so I'm clear.

When we say LeGOAT averaged 38/9/9 vs this team but lost because "they were a very good team full of knockdown 3pt shooters all surrounding the most dominant big man of that era playing 4 out 1 in.

But when we're talking in context of Kobe then that team sucked with a 23 year old leading the way with a bunch of YMCA scrubs.

Very interesting change of perception we have here between two different players but for the exact same situation.

Wait...you can't understand that there is something in between "sucking" and being "great" competition for a finals opponent?

The Magic did not suck, I never even said that...I'm just using your own idiotic language against you.

However, the Cavs didn't lose because the Magic were so good. They lost because the Cavs were a poorly built roster and didn't have the talent or correct players to match up with the Magic.

Wait, are you arguing that Lebron had more help than Kobe in 09?

And, again, when you have a guy as good as Kobe...with Pau Gasol as your 2nd option...arguably the GOAT coach...and a pretty decent squad of role players...and your toughest competition is a 23 year old Howard without another great player on his team...with a coach nowhere near as good as Phil...and no playoff / finals experience....

I don't know what to tell you if you don't think the Lakers had a better chance to win that series.

[DMAVS41]

Pau Gasol put up 19/9/2 65% TS while doing a very good job on Howard holding him to 15/15/3 56% TS.

Agains the Cavs...Howard went off for 26/13/3 69% TS.

:cheers:

[Manny98]

Kobe pre Gasol

2005 - misses playoffs

2006 - barely makes the playoffs and chokes a 3-1 lead in the 1st round

2007 - swept in the 1st round


Kobe with Gasol

2008 - finals

2009 - Championship

2010 - Championship

https://i.postimg.cc/9MP6x9RT/photo.jpg

Guess who led the Lakers in both plus minus and win shares in both 09 and 10?


https://i.postimg.cc/N00VV5HV/Cma-U7-Py-WEAAao-IA.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/y8D8HYcJ/download-3.jpg

[superduper]

I was 10 years old at the time of and am getting all of my information from memes/instagram/basketballreference

I know bro :cheers:

[ImKobe]

Kobe beat the Spurs in 5 with his 2nd option averaging 13.2 ppg on 44% shooting.

[PickernRoller]

Kobe beat the Spurs in 5 with his 2nd option averaging 13.2 ppg on 44% shooting.

Bran jacking off hard to that feat...

[superduper]

bump

[tpols]

the crazy thing is 538 did a study (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-best-nba-teams-of-all-time-according-to-elo/) that showed the '09 Lakers were the 5th best team of all time, surrounded by decorated dynasties.

people underestimate their teamwork tbh. 2nd team assist rank in the whole NBA playing out of the triangle. Even the '96 Bulls were only 5th rank. Odom is underrated, beyond him they were completely expendable, but between him kobe, & pau there was such expert teamwork and coordination... they methodically broke teams down and Kobe was better than anybody in the current NBA.

it's not just about talent... it's about chemistry.

[DMAVS41]

the crazy thing is 538 did a study (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-best-nba-teams-of-all-time-according-to-elo/) that showed the '09 Lakers were the 5th best team of all time, surrounded by decorated dynasties.

people underestimate their teamwork tbh. 2nd team assist rank in the whole NBA playing out of the triangle. Even the '96 Bulls were only 5th rank. Odom is underrated, beyond him they were completely expendable, but between him kobe, & pau there was such expert teamwork and coordination... they methodically broke teams down and Kobe was better than anybody in the current NBA.

it's not just about talent... it's about chemistry.

:cheers:

[34-24 Footwork]

To be honest, this entire thread is pretty much a testament to how great Kobe is.

He was expected to do MORE with LESS in a competitive conference for his entire career.

Referring to the 2008-2011 Lakers as "great" definitely proves my point.

Weridos bringing up why Kobe couldn't make the playoffs in 2005 even though he was injured and playing alongside Chucky Atkins, Brian Cook, and Chrism Mihm also speaks to the expectations of Kobe.

Let us praise him

https://media.giphy.com/media/26xBFFYvGNMfPo9QQ/giphy.gif

[hiphopanonymous]

To be honest, this entire thread is pretty much a testament to how great Kobe is.

He was expected to do MORE with LESS in a competitive conference for his entire career.

Referring to the 2008-2011 Lakers as "great" definitely proves my point.

Weridos bringing up why Kobe couldn't make the playoffs in 2005 even though he was injured and playing alongside Chucky Atkins, Brian Cook, and Chrism Mihm also speaks to the expectations of Kobe.

Let us praise him

https://media.giphy.com/media/26xBFFYvGNMfPo9QQ/giphy.gif
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY9HjNWbJvA

https://media.giphy.com/media/doUu2ByZDbPYQ/200.gif

[34-24 Footwork]

Wait, just so I'm clear.

When we say LeGOAT averaged 38/9/9 vs this team but lost because "they were a very good team full of knockdown 3pt shooters all surrounding the most dominant big man of that era playing 4 out 1 in.

But when we're talking in context of Kobe then that team sucked with a 23 year old leading the way with a bunch of YMCA scrubs.

Very interesting change of perception we have here between two different players but for the exact same situation.


https://media.giphy.com/media/kgS0MCx2Q9l7k3zyJt/giphy.gif

[RRR3]

To be honest, this entire thread is pretty much a testament to how great Kobe is.

He was expected to do MORE with LESS in a competitive conference for his entire career.

Referring to the 2008-2011 Lakers as "great" definitely proves my point.

Weridos bringing up why Kobe couldn't make the playoffs in 2005 even though he was injured and playing alongside Chucky Atkins, Brian Cook, and Chrism Mihm also speaks to the expectations of Kobe.

Let us praise him

https://media.giphy.com/media/26xBFFYvGNMfPo9QQ/giphy.gif
According to you, Pau was the first option on those teams.

So more like praise Pau amirite?

[bladefd]

How crazy would it be if any one player could carry this cast to not one but TWO rings back to back in the most competitive conference in history?

Who on this team is a top 200 player all time other than Mamba?

How long would it take until LeGOAT threw visible tantrums on the court and demanded a complete overhaul of the coaching and teammates with this cast?

Maybe Gasol?


Fans today couldn't even name 5 players in that picture. :lol

I named 12 off the bat.

Bottom row: Luke, Kobe, Ariza, Bynum
Middle row: Powell?, Gasol, Odom, DJ MBenga
Back row: Fisher, Shannon Brown, Jordan Farmar, Sasha Vujacic

I don't recognize the Chinese player and the white guy at the very top.

[RRR3]

Maybe Gasol?



I named 12 off the bat.

Bottom row: Luke, Kobe, Ariza, Bynum
Middle row: Powell?, Gasol, Odom, DJ MBenga
Back row: Fisher, Shannon Brown, Jordan Farmar, Sasha Vujacic

I don't recognize the Chinese player and the white guy at the very top.
Adam Morrison and Sun Yue right?



Also lol at superduperdumb asking who else is top 200 when Gasol is clearly top 100.

[34-24 Footwork]

According to you, Pau was the first option on those teams.

So more like praise Pau amirite?

You don't know what first option within an offensive set means, but that's ok.

Praise be to Kobe and his haters.

https://media.giphy.com/media/kgS0MCx2Q9l7k3zyJt/giphy.gif

[RRR3]

You don't know what first option within an offensive set means, but that's ok.

Praise be to Kobe and his haters.

https://media.giphy.com/media/kgS0MCx2Q9l7k3zyJt/giphy.gif
You didn’t say first option within an offensive set. You said he was the first option from 08-11 on the Lakers :confusedshrug:

Pau’s team, according to you.

[34-24 Footwork]

[QUOTE=RRR3]You didn

[RRR3]

I just told you what I meant...and you have NO IDEA what that means just like the other nerds on here. But that's ok. Stick to stat box.

There's no way I can explain what "1st option within an offense" means to someone like you :oldlol:
Are you braindead?

Being the first option in an offensive set and being the first option in an OFFENSE are far from the same thing. Stop using them interchangeably.

Literally no one is going to know what you

[34-24 Footwork]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Are you braindead?

Being the first option in an offensive set and being the first option in an OFFENSE are far from the same thing. Stop using them interchangeably.

Literally no one is going to know what you

[34-24 Footwork]

Hope nobody falls for this bait and actually debates you on this. You have no idea what you're talking about.

But yes, being skilled enough to be the first option within the triangle offense, Pau Gasol definitely was.

Do you watch basketball? Serious question.

[RRR3]

I know they’re not interchangeable you moron. You’re the one who keeps using them interchangeably, not me :oldlol:


Pau Gasol was good enough to have plays ran for him or have the offense run through him for portions of the game? Gee, you don’t ****ing say?

Doesn’t make him the FIRST OPTION OF THE ENTIRE OFFENSE.

[34-24 Footwork]

[QUOTE=RRR3]I know they

[RRR3]

This nerd is angry af :oldlol:

Imagine me trying to educate a dude who idolizes drive and kick basketball on options within offensive sets :lol

not gonna happen.

Take a chill pill. Relax on the 2K. Watch basketball for once.
Your stupidity is mind-boggling.


You actually think I don’t know what you mean by “first option within an offensive set”? :roll:

The issue is that you apparently don’t understand what an actual first option is.

[34-24 Footwork]

Your stupidity is mind-boggling.


You actually think I don’t know what you mean by “first option within an offensive set”? :roll:

The issue is that you apparently don’t understand what an actual first option is.

No. I don't believe you, Mr VORP. Youre trying to split hairs to sound like you're basketball literate, but no one believes dudes like you or AJ watch basketball. But keep stalking me for the cause

[E_Stamkos]

Imagine trying to pretend that OP isn't stacked between the thighs.

<3

[RRR3]

No. I don't believe you, Mr VORP. Youre trying to split hairs to sound like you're basketball literate, but no one believes dudes like you or AJ watch basketball. But keep stalking me for the cause
It’s actually disturbing how stupid you are.

The first option within an offensive set is pretty self explanatory. Like I said, Wayne Ellington can be the first option in offensive sets the Heat run (when he plays, at least). That doesn’t mean he should be referred to as the first option.

I can’t believe you don’t get this :oldlol:

[superduper]

Adam Morrison and Sun Yue right?



Also lol at superduperdumb asking who else is top 200 when Gasol is clearly top 100.

Was Gasol top 100 when he was 0-16 before kobe?

No deflections please simple yes or no answer.

[34-24 Footwork]

Was Gasol top 100 when he was 0-16 before kobe?

No deflections please simple yes or no answer.

This dude wasn't watching basketball pre 2010...let alone Gasol on the Grizzlies...

But his answer should be funny.

[superduper]

This dude wasn't watching basketball pre 2010...let alone Gasol on the Grizzlies...

But his answer should be funny.

I look forward to Manny spamming Instagram memes and other contextless stats from a time he was 10 years old :roll:

[RRR3]

I look forward to Manny spamming Instagram memes and other contextless stats from a time he was 10 years old :roll:
No, but I would say he generally would be ranked in the top 100 now.

[34-24 Footwork]

I look forward to Manny spamming Instagram memes and other contextless stats from a time he was 10 years old :roll:

Gasol was a nobody in Memphis.

A nobody in 2008 playoffs (apparently)

"Kobe can't win without Shaq"

2009-present: "Gasol is a top 10 big man of all time".

Kobe's impact....

https://media.giphy.com/media/kgS0MCx2Q9l7k3zyJt/giphy.gif

[RRR3]

No one sane calls Gasol a top 10 big man of all time.

34-24 Strawmanwork at it again.

[34-24 Footwork]

No one sane calls Gasol a top 10 big man of all time.

34-24 Strawmanwork at it again.

There was an entire thread on it that got deleted and I'm almost 10000% sure you posted in it :oldlol:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=457827&page=7

Unfortunately, the VORP gods have an impact on these discussions.

[RRR3]

There was an entire thread on it that got deleted and I'm almost 10000% sure you posted in it :oldlol:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=457827&page=7

Unfortunately, the VORP gods have an impact on these discussions.
I post in lots of threads.

Guarantee you that I’ve never claimed Gasol is a top 10 big unless I was trolling, though.

I like how you can never find anything dumb I actually said and always have to resort to making up stuff I supposedly said instead. Hilarious.

[superduper]

Agreed though, this thread straight up proves Kobe's greatness. Honestly after this thread Kobe probably moved up like 3 spots for me all time. He is easily 5-7 considering all context.

[sammichoffate]

Agreed though, this thread straight up proves Kobe's greatness. Honestly after this thread Kobe probably moved up like 3 spots for me all time. He is easily 5-7 considering all context.https://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/kobe-rushmore.png

[The Iron Fist]

Wait...you can't understand that there is something in between "sucking" and being "great" competition for a finals opponent?

The Magic did not suck, I never even said that...I'm just using your own idiotic language against you.

However, the Cavs didn't lose because the Magic were so good. They lost because the Cavs were a poorly built roster and didn't have the talent or correct players to match up with the Magic.

Wait, are you arguing that Lebron had more help than Kobe in 09?

And, again, when you have a guy as good as Kobe...with Pau Gasol as your 2nd option...arguably the GOAT coach...and a pretty decent squad of role players...and your toughest competition is a 23 year old Howard without another great player on his team...with a coach nowhere near as good as Phil...and no playoff / finals experience....

I don't know what to tell you if you don't think the Lakers had a better chance to win that series.
Post the link of you saying this back then.

[The Iron Fist]

[QUOTE=RRR3]I post in lots of threads.

Guarantee you that I

[34-24 Footwork]

You say dumb shit all the time.


Pretty much this. I remember when he was parroting the "kobe averaged x in the 2000 finals."

I asked him if he knew that Jalen Rose intentionally injured Kobe, he said no :lol

I don't even think he knew Jalen Rose played in the NBA.

[TheCorporation]

Kobe pre Gasol

2005 - misses playoffs

2006 - barely makes the playoffs and chokes a 3-1 lead in the 1st round

2007 - swept in the 1st round


Kobe with Gasol

2008 - finals

2009 - Championship

2010 - Championship

https://i.postimg.cc/9MP6x9RT/photo.jpg

Guess who led the Lakers in both plus minus and win shares in both 09 and 10?


https://i.postimg.cc/N00VV5HV/Cma-U7-Py-WEAAao-IA.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/y8D8HYcJ/download-3.jpg

Dagger

[TheCorporation]

Uhhh yeah, losing as a 66 win team with HCA to Dwight Howard definitely doesn't make you the goat. :oldlol:

Yep, should have just missed the playoffs instead like Kobe.

The ol' Kobe/MJ legacy saver.

1st round exits and/or missing the playoffs in your prime = legacy saver :lol :lol

[The Iron Fist]

Pretty much this. I remember when he was parroting the "kobe averaged x in the 2000 finals."

I asked him if he knew that Jalen Rose intentionally injured Kobe, he said no :lol

I don't even think he knew Jalen Rose played in the NBA.
In 2013 he said the Lakers were better without Kobe.

Pau, Nash, Dwight and co ended up getting swept.

Pau, without Kobe in the lineup, still had not won a single playoff game. I made a thread about it yesterday. Very few wanted to participate.

[superduper]

Pau without Kobe: 0-16

It's literally as simple as that.

[Manny98]

Kobe pre Gasol

2005 - misses playoffs

2006 - barely makes the playoffs and chokes a 3-1 lead in the 1st round

2007 - swept in the 1st round


Kobe with Gasol

2008 - finals

2009 - Championship

2010 - Championship

https://i.postimg.cc/9MP6x9RT/photo.jpg

Guess who led the Lakers in both plus minus and win shares in both 09 and 10?


https://i.postimg.cc/N00VV5HV/Cma-U7-Py-WEAAao-IA.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/y8D8HYcJ/download-3.jpg

Gasol transformed a team from first round fodder into championship caliber if that is not superstar caliber i don't know what is

[superduper]

What a pathetic insecure lonely kid constantly spamming memes from a time when he was 10 years old and has literally no idea what he's talking about looking like a complete clown :oldlol:

[The Iron Fist]

Pau without Kobe: 0-16

It's literally as simple as that.
To add
Pau in 2013 without Kobe in the lineup as a Laker teammate

0-4.

[scuzzy]

Kobe pre Gasol

2005 - misses playoffs

2006 - barely makes the playoffs and chokes a 3-1 lead in the 1st round

2007 - swept in the 1st round


Kobe with Gasol

2008 - finals

2009 - Championship

2010 - Championship

https://i.postimg.cc/9MP6x9RT/photo.jpg

Guess who led the Lakers in both plus minus and win shares in both 09 and 10?


https://i.postimg.cc/N00VV5HV/Cma-U7-Py-WEAAao-IA.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/y8D8HYcJ/download-3.jpg

Gasol transformed a team from first round fodder into championship caliber if that is not superstar caliber i don't know what is
they don't rank him 12th for no reason

[superduper]

they don't rank him 12th for no reason

What's Pau's record in the 2013 playoffs as the #1 option without CancerBe/ChuckBe?

I'll wait... as I know this question will be avoided like the plague.

[The Iron Fist]

What's Pau's record in the 2013 playoffs as the #1 option without CancerBe/ChuckBe?

I'll wait... as I know this question will be avoided like the plague.
Lets not forget who Pau was leading in the 13 playoffs, former MVP Nash and 3 time DPOY Dwight.

[superduper]

What's Pau's record in the 2013 playoffs as the #1 option without CancerBe/ChuckBe?

I'll wait... as I know this question will be avoided like the plague.

bump

[superduper]

What's Pau's record in the 2013 playoffs as the #1 option without CancerBe/ChuckBe?

I'll wait... as I know this question will be avoided like the plague.

Anyone??

Nah!?!?!

[Gus Hemmingway]

Kobe pre Gasol

2005 - misses playoffs

2006 - barely makes the playoffs and chokes a 3-1 lead in the 1st round

2007 - swept in the 1st round


Kobe with Gasol

2008 - finals

2009 - Championship

2010 - Championship

https://i.postimg.cc/9MP6x9RT/photo.jpg

Guess who led the Lakers in both plus minus and win shares in both 09 and 10?


https://i.postimg.cc/N00VV5HV/Cma-U7-Py-WEAAao-IA.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/y8D8HYcJ/download-3.jpg

Gasol transformed a team from first round fodder into championship caliber if that is not superstar caliber i don't know what is
damn :lol

[superduper]

What's Pau's record in the 2013 playoffs as the #1 option without CancerBe/ChuckBe?

I'll wait... as I know this question will be avoided like the plague.

Still waiting for an answer to this.

Maybe someone will be able to answer without memeing unrelated delusional shit....

... maybe one day :lol

[TheCorporation]

Kobe pre Gasol

2005 - misses playoffs

2006 - barely makes the playoffs and chokes a 3-1 lead in the 1st round

2007 - swept in the 1st round


Kobe with Gasol

2008 - finals

2009 - Championship

2010 - Championship

https://i.postimg.cc/9MP6x9RT/photo.jpg

Guess who led the Lakers in both plus minus and win shares in both 09 and 10?


https://i.postimg.cc/N00VV5HV/Cma-U7-Py-WEAAao-IA.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/y8D8HYcJ/download-3.jpg

Gasol transformed a team from first round fodder into championship caliber if that is not superstar caliber i don't know what is

My goodness :eek:

[Mr.GOAT2408]

Kobe carrying 0 - 16 Gasol + bums to 3x finals is still the greatest carrying I've seen since Kobe carried those trash mid 2000s teams.

Only irrational haters prop that supporting cast up and we all know why.

[sportjames23]

superduper got the Bron fam melting. :oldlol:

[superduper]

superduper got the Bron fam melting. :oldlol:

:dancin

[superduper]

Bump

[PickernRoller]

Didn't knew a bump was required for this beauty.

[superduper]

Ingram with 32/6/4 on 67%
Kuzma with 22/4/2 on 60%

Imagine Kobe had the above help instead of like 12 of his teammates from the team in the pic :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[34-24 Footwork]

Lol. Imagine Shannon Brown or Sasha Vujecic getting a smooth 33 points :lol

[superduper]

Lol. Imagine Shannon Brown or Sasha Vujecic getting a smooth 33 points

WTF Vujacic is career 5ppg on 39% :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

And then you remember Fisher is career 8ppg also on 39%

And then you look at the rest of the roster in that pic :roll: :roll:

WTF Kobe. Holy **** absolutely incredible the absolute trash Kobe carried to a ring.

[34-24 Footwork]

WTF Vujacic is career 5ppg on 39% :roll: :roll: :roll:
And then you remember Fisher is career 8ppg also on 39%

And then you look at the rest of the roster in that pic :roll: :roll:

WTF Kobe. Holy **** absolutely incredible the absolute trash Kobe carried to a ring.

We are not worthy :bowdown:


Yeah man. That roster was saved by Kobe Bryant, high IQ basketball, and the triangle offense - putting players in their most comfortable position on the court.

Still can't believe he won twice with this roster. Crazy af

[Bronbron23]

Ingram with 32/6/4 on 67%
Kuzma with 22/4/2 on 60%

Imagine Kobe had the above help instead of like 12 of his teammates from the team in the pic :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Stats aside you don't really think kuzma and Ingram were as good as gasol and odom do you?

[TheCorporation]

Stats aside you don't really think kuzma and Ingram were as good as gasol and odom do you?

We call him SuperDumber aka 3ball for a reason :lol