Most Frightening Serial Killer? Ripper? BTK? Zodiac? Gacy??

[Patrick Chewing]

Jack The Ripper (Never Caught) - 5 Victims
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/67/2b/e6/672be6516a9845faa0e990bab661dde7--gothic-horror-horror-art.jpg



Dennis Rader a.k.a. BTK Killer (Lived a Regular Life with Family. Caught. Serving Life Term) - 10 Victims
https://www.biography.com/.image/ar_1:1%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cg_face%2Cq_auto:good%2 Cw_300/MTE5NDg0MDU0NzY3MjQwNzE5/dennis-rader-241487-1-402.jpg


Zodiac Killer (Never Caught) - Up to 37 Victims
https://static.interestingengineering.com/images/NOVEMBER/sizes/zodiac_Killer_porgram2_resize_md.jpg


John Wayne Gacy a.k.a. "The Killer Clown" (Caught and Executed) - 33 Victims
https://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/pogo-gacy.jpg


Of all these guys, the BTK killer frightens me the most. He basically would still be on the loose today if he hadn't decided to resurface and frankly ask to get caught. And besides, just look at him. :eek:

[TheImmortal]

OP is a racist POS. :facepalm

[MrFonzworth]

Killer Clown. If i recall correctly he kept all his dead bodies (all little boys) after brutally raping them for hours.

[highwhey]

OP is a racist POS. :facepalm
agreed. he takes any opportunity to downplay minorities to further his agenda. the funny thing is he's cuban. his cuban people have ex-communicated him for being a racist bigot. he's in his 40's, single of course. pretty sad situation to be honest.

[CelticBaller]

Zodiac for being open about his killing and never getting caught


The Night Stalker/Bay area Killer too, but he got caught

[Uncle Drew]

We pretty much know who the Zodiac was.

[Im Still Ballin]

ted cruz

[jongib369]

Depends how you define terrifying, I've researched serial killers for some time now ever since my dad showed me dirt he collected from John Gacys property not long after it was finished being dug up. All of them are unsettling but Angels of death in particular are pretty damn creepy. Not all of these will be angels of death, or have the resume of others... but some you can easily consider just as terrifying as the violent types


http://www.murderpedia.org/female.G/images/gilbert-kristen/kristen-gilbert.jpg

Classification: Serial killer
Characteristics: Nurse - Prosecutors had argued that she wanted to attract attention, especially from her lover, a hospital security guard
Number of victims: 4 +
Date of murders: 1995 - 1996
Date of arrest: July 11, 1996
Date of birth: November 13, 1967
Victims profile: Stanley Jagodowski, 66 / Henry Hudon, 35 / Kenneth Cutting, 41 / Edward Skwira, 69 (hospitalized veterans)
Method of murder: Poisoning (injecting them with overdoses of epinephrine)
Location: Northampton, Hampshire County, Massachusetts, USA
Status: Sentenced to four consecutive life terms without the possibility of parole, plus 20 years on March 27, 2001


http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4517678.ece/alternates/s615/nurse-Daniela-Poggiali.jpg

http://scallywagandvagabond.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/d28.jpg

Daniela Poggiali
Born 1971-1972 (age 42)
Italy
Killings
Victims 38
Span of killings
2013

[jongib369]

http://www.racontemoilhistoire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Elizabeth_Bathory_Portrait.jpg

The Hungarian Countess Elizabeth (Erzs

[scuzzy]

That recent guy up in Cleveland, Anthony Sowell was pretty gnar gnar. 11 bodies, necro, just left the corpses rotting around his house for years. Smelled so bad, neighbors were complaining about the meat shop next to his duplex but it was just the bloated bodies stinking up the hood.


11 different crackhead chicks gone missing, raped, strangled, killed. More raped and even released by him. Cleveland PD in the ghetto didn't even blick an eye, even went to his house a few times and knocked on the door. Left after 5 min.


Not over a span of decades, 11 neighborhood girls murked in 2 years time. Few bodies in the basement, upstairs, closets, backyard.

[Im Still Ballin]

I remember reading about some killer that was an absolute physical brute

massive long arms and huge thick hands, bent the prison bars or something

can't find him

it's not carl panzam who is another brute killer

[scuzzy]

IMO Joseph Fritzl from Austria was the most disturbing of them all


Not so serial spree, but the fact he kept his 18yo daughter in a dungeon prison for 24years and raped/had kids with her, while she raised the kids in the dungeon. Few abortions/miscarriages. Fck


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritzl_case

[Lakers Legend#32]

Charles Manson.
It's hard to beat the King.

[scuzzy]

Charles Manson.
It's hard to beat the King.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GZ-6cN4gfE

[Patrick Chewing]

Charles Manson.
It's hard to beat the King.


He's not classified as a serial killer though since he never did any of the killing.

[kennethgriffen]

the US government



Japan

https://countercurrents.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/hiroshima-nagasaki.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/B34St4y/vietnam-war-america-enters-11-728.jpg


Iraq

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPwuOGkWIAAvWCr.jpg:large


Korea

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/130722110555-03-korean-war-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg

Vietnam

https://cdn.opendemocracy.net/files/IanMahoney.jpg

https://statpedia.com/exports/Skz-9Bx5.png





[QUOTE][SIZE="7"][B][U]US Has Killed More Than 20 Million People in 37

[jongib369]

[QUOTE=kennethgriffen]the US government

US Has Killed More Than 20 Million People in 37

[kennethgriffen]

https://cdn.dopl3r.com/memes_files/genghis-khan-killed-an-estimated-40-million-people-resulting-in-a-man-made-climate-change-the-mongol-invasions-effectively-cooled-the-planet-scrubbing-around-700-million-tons-of-carbon-from-the-atmosphere-heavy-breathing-vzF6H.jpg


the most frightening serial killer is the one still at large




https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/soldier-stands-over-a-baby-and-a-child-lying-dead-in-a-shallow-grave-picture-id615310286

[kennethgriffen]

the look on every canadians face whenever the US pulls one of their stunts and you gotta go along with it

https://i.ibb.co/bF4T2zw/0.jpg

[jongib369]

No doubt the US government has done unforgivable things...Still does...But if you add up all the deaths those countries you listed caused, on top of how many more could have died if we didnt enter WW2 with nazi germany who knows what the world would look like today. Allies could have still won, Russia might have been too much for Germany even without the pesky US. It has definitely done good also, but I guess that could be likened to some of these other countries that had benefit for their own but did horrible things also. So it's not a free pass

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uXdtafGdIVM :lol



Side note what do you think about this BS?
https://youtu.be/DQ6T6EL9CSw

[kennethgriffen]

No doubt the US government has done unforgivable things...Still does...But if you add up all the deaths those countries you listed caused, on top of how many more could have died if we didnt enter WW2 with nazi germany who knows what the world would look like today. Allies could have still won, Russia might have been too much for Germany even without the pesky US. It has definitely done good also, but I guess that could be likened to some of these other countries that had benefit for their own but did horrible things also. So it's not a free pass

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uXdtafGdIVM :lol



Side note what do you think about this BS?
https://youtu.be/DQ6T6EL9CSw



the us governments decisions to go to war were never motivated by policing the world/helping others


its always been about power/greed/money


is it any coincidence the only 3 countries left in the world without central banks owned by 1 jewish family are cuba/iran and north korea

[Uncle Drew]

What about the axe man?

[Prometheus]

Of those in OP, it's gotta be Gacy. I don't wanna be murdered, but I especially don't wanna be murdered by a big fat rapist clown with (according to authorities who raided his home) an EIGHTEEN INCH dildo he liked to use on his victims...

But of all serial killers I've ever heard about, the most horrifying is without a doubt Albert Fish.

[jongib369]

Of those in OP, it's gotta be Gacy. I don't wanna be murdered, but I especially don't wanna be murdered by a big fat rapist clown with (according to authorities who raided his home) an EIGHTEEN INCH dildo he liked to use on his victims...

But of all serial killers I've ever heard about, the most horrifying is without a doubt Albert Fish.
"...And finally, when the cops searched his house, they found a two - foot - long dildo, one of his torture implements, eighteen inches of it covered with dried excreta and blood."

[Prometheus]

"...And finally, when the cops searched his house, they found a two - foot - long dildo, one of his torture implements, eighteen inches of it covered with dried excreta and blood."

Yea no thanks, I'll play with the BTK guy instead.

[Prometheus]

Albert Fish raped, tortured, killed, and ate young children. Not young men like Gacy or Dahmer preferred, but little children.

Here's his description of what he did to four-year-old Billy Gaffney:


I brought him to the Riker Avenue dumps. There is a house that stands alone, not far from where I took him. I took the boy there. Stripped him naked and tied his hands and feet and gagged him with a piece of dirty rag I picked out of the dump. Then I burned his clothes. Threw his shoes in the dump. Then I walked back and took the trolley to 59 Street at 2 a.m. and walked from there home. Next day about 2 p.m., I took tools, a good heavy cat-o-nine tails. Home made. Short handle. Cut one of my belts in half, slit these halves in six strips about 8 inches long. I whipped his bare behind till the blood ran from his legs. I cut off his ears, nose, slit his mouth from ear to ear. Gouged out his eyes. He was dead then. I stuck the knife in his belly and held my mouth to his body and drank his blood. I picked up four old potato sacks and gathered a pile of stones. Then I cut him up. I had a grip with me. I put his nose, ears and a few slices of his belly in the grip. Then I cut him through the middle of his body. Just below the belly button. Then through his legs about 2 inches below his behind. I put this in my grip with a lot of paper. I cut off the head, feet, arms, hands and the legs below the knee. This I put in sacks weighed with stones, tied the ends and threw them into the pools of slimy water you will see all along the road going to North Beach. I came home with my meat. I had the front of his body I liked best. His monkey and pee wees and a nice little fat behind to roast in the oven and eat. I made a stew out of his ears, nose, pieces of his face and belly. I put onions, carrots, turnips, celery, salt and pepper. It was good. Then I split the cheeks of his behind open, cut off his monkey and pee wees and washed them first. I put strips of bacon on each cheek of his behind and put them in the oven. Then I picked 4 onions and when the meat had roasted about 1/4 hour, I poured about a pint of water over it for gravy and put in the onions. At frequent intervals I basted his behind with a wooden spoon. So the meat would be nice and juicy. In about 2 hours, it was nice and brown, cooked through. I never ate any roast turkey that tasted half as good as his sweet fat little behind did. I ate every bit of the meat in about four days. His little monkey was a sweet as a nut, but his pee-wees I could not chew. Threw them in the toilet.

[tpols]

the US government



Japan

https://countercurrents.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/hiroshima-nagasaki.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/B34St4y/vietnam-war-america-enters-11-728.jpg


Iraq

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPwuOGkWIAAvWCr.jpg:large


Korea

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/130722110555-03-korean-war-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg

Vietnam

https://cdn.opendemocracy.net/files/IanMahoney.jpg

https://statpedia.com/exports/Skz-9Bx5.png







https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051



damnnn

[jongib369]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/ac-comp-samuel-little.jpg

https://youtu.be/byiMnUKVCdE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgtrbc9wa1E

Born June 7, 1940 (age 78)
Reynolds, Georgia, United States
Other names Samuel McDowell
Conviction(s) Murder
Criminal penalty Life imprisonment
Details
Victims 34–90[1]
Span of crimes
1970–82[2]–1989–2005[2]
Country United States
State(s) California (convicted)
13 others (accused)[2]
Date apprehended
September 5, 2012
Imprisoned at California State Prison, Los Angeles County

[iamgine]

How easy is it do y'all think these days to just kidnap then murder people without getting caught? With proper preparation and target victims of course.

[Prometheus]

How easy is it do y'all think these days to just kidnap then murder people without getting caught? With proper preparation and target victims of course.

Harder than at any other time in history. Still too easy.

[jongib369]

Harder than at any other time in history. Still too easy.

Prostitutes with burner phones, runaways/homeless people are still "easy" pickings. College girls would likely prove to be more difficult to get these days

Then again you got this **** roaming around with balls the size of basketballs


https://co-a1.azureedge.net/co-uploads/2018/10/Chicago-Rogers-Park-shooting.jpg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e3uZ93-TMf4


:biggums:


https://youtu.be/mEjvr4lSeC4 Someones got to recognize that walk of his

[jongib369]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpO4WgyXUAAmAn9.jpg

Everyone saying he's black or of darker complexion, I clearly see a whitish color between the scarf and something on his forhead.

[Norcaliblunt]

Zodiac was a hoax. The letters were fake as shit. Those murders were never connected.

[Raymone]

Zodiac was a hoax. The letters were fake as shit. Those murders were never connected.

Lol no. The survivors saw him. Bryan Hartnell at Lake Berryessa described the garb he was wearing and the visible Zodiac symbol.

Now, Zodiac may very likely have taken credit for additional crimes that he had nothing to do with just for the attention. And Zodiac may have not even been one person but multiple people, which would help explain why Arthur Leigh Allen had so much circumstantial evidence against him but no DNA matches.

But there was undoubtedly at least one person killing people, calling in the murders to police twice, and mailing the 408 and 340 ciphers to newspapers under the name Zodiac.

This is a good short documentary (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY_tqjdnDVk) that accompanied the great film in 2007. I think some of those being interviewed, like Spinelli and Cheney, might be lying for various reasons. But I find something to be off about Cheney. They should run his DNA honestly.

[Raymone]

Another name missing from this list is Jeffrey Dahmer. Drilling holes in the victim's skull, pouring hydrochloric acid, turning one into a walking zombie that managed to escape out onto the street and get some people to call 911. Only to result in Dahmer convincing the cops that it was just a domestic dispute. The officers helped him bring his victim back to Dahmer's apartment and even noticed a foul smell (decomposing bodies) before leaving. Dahmer went on to kill him and like 4 or 5 others after that. 17 in total.

[SomeBlackDude]

finished this not too long ago:

https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1542337346l/41836110.jpg

insane (spoilers ahead for anyone not familiar with the case)

dude was just raping and slaughtering dozens of people, in his own general neighborhood... while he was working as a police officer. he never strayed further than like 30 miles from where he was living when he committed his acts too. so he'd do his shift as a cop, punch out and go on a rampage in his area, then maybe the next day he was the cop called to the scene of the crime he committed.

he would've died a free man too if it wasn't for a one in a million shot by the cop who had the cold case.

[Manny98]

How come all serial killers are white :confusedshrug:

[Snow]

How come all serial killers are white :confusedshrug:

They're not. Whites are just the best at it like everything else

Wink wink. One stupid post deserves another

[Lakers Legend#32]

the US government



Japan

https://countercurrents.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/hiroshima-nagasaki.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/B34St4y/vietnam-war-america-enters-11-728.jpg


Iraq

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPwuOGkWIAAvWCr.jpg:large


Korea

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/130722110555-03-korean-war-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg

Vietnam

https://cdn.opendemocracy.net/files/IanMahoney.jpg

https://statpedia.com/exports/Skz-9Bx5.png







https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051

Here's where Chewing cuts in and say, "Murica F#ck Yeah! Viva Trump!'

[Norcaliblunt]

Lol no. The survivors saw him. Bryan Hartnell at Lake Berryessa described the garb he was wearing and the visible Zodiac symbol.

Now, Zodiac may very likely have taken credit for additional crimes that he had nothing to do with just for the attention. And Zodiac may have not even been one person but multiple people, which would help explain why Arthur Leigh Allen had so much circumstantial evidence against him but no DNA matches.

But there was undoubtedly at least one person killing people, calling in the murders to police twice, and mailing the 408 and 340 ciphers to newspapers under the name Zodiac.

This is a good short documentary (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY_tqjdnDVk) that accompanied the great film in 2007. I think some of those being interviewed, like Spinelli and Cheney, might be lying for various reasons. But I find something to be off about Cheney. They should run his DNA honestly.


Naw. The letters and ciphers were never proven to be from the killer. They were probably written by someone who had access to evidence and police reports. Either someone at the PD or in the media. Robert Graysmith and the SF chronicle just wanna sell books. The police reports really say each murder had real suspects with real motives, and aside from the 2 in Vallejo there are no connections to any of them. Only thing tying all this together are the fake letters and the Lake Berryessa copycat.

[kennethgriffen]

Here's where Chewing cuts in and say, "Murica F#ck Yeah! Viva Trump!'

trumps actually been one of the least military active presidents in history

[CelticBaller]

The Japanese were one of the most horrible humans beings in WW2


We did the world a favor by stopping them and dropping them bombs

[Long Duck Dong]

The Japanese were one of the most horrible humans beings in WW2


We did the world a favor by stopping them and dropping them bombs

People understood this until snowflake liberals became such a loudmouth minority. We tamed the Japs and the Germans, and eventually the Soviets. US to the world..."you're welcome" :pimp:

[tpols]

trumps actually been one of the least military active presidents in history


trump's been legit in terms of intentions... he has no support though. retards in his own party and opposition no matter what from the other.

[tpols]

People understood this until snowflake liberals became such a loudmouth minority. We tamed the Japs and the Germans, and eventually the Soviets. US to the world..."you're welcome" :pimp:


Japan and Germany rebounded so hard though... pretty crazy how well off they became while USA drowned in it's spoils.

[Long Duck Dong]

Most frightening? I can tell you the one I'd least want to face.

Edmund Kemper

Legit 6'9, 285lbs with a 145 IQ.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/kemper-walking.jpg

[CelticBaller]

Japan and Germany rebounded so hard though... pretty crazy how well off they became while USA drowned in it's spoils.
USA is a better country than both...

[highwhey]

Most frightening? I can tell you the one I'd least want to face.

Edmund Kemper

Legit 6'9, 285lbs with a 145 IQ.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/kemper-walking.jpg
netflix made a series out this, called mindhunter. the actor who played this man was legit creepy, not just because of his size but he was obviously very smart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDYBmNYc8IA

[Long Duck Dong]

netflix made a series out this, called mindhunter. the actor who played this man was legit creepy, not just because of his size but he was obviously very smart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDYBmNYc8IA

I've been meaning to check this out. Is it good? Not to glamorize a serial killer but the real Kemper is 4" taller than the 6'5" actor and sounds a lot more intelligent but he doesn't have that cool John Goodman like drawl like the actor does.

[highwhey]

I've been meaning to check this out. Is it good? Not to glamorize a serial killer but the real Kemper is 4" taller than the 6'5" actor and sounds a lot more intelligent but he doesn't have that cool John Goodman like drawl like the actor does.
yeah, it was pretty good. season 2 should be released this year. basically about two fbi agents who interviewed serial killers and partnered with a psychology professor to develop serial killer profiling for the fbi a couple decades ago. cool show.

[Raymone]

Naw. The letters and ciphers were never proven to be from the killer. They were probably written by someone who had access to evidence and police reports. Either someone at the PD or in the media. Robert Graysmith and the SF chronicle just wanna sell books. The police reports really say each murder had real suspects with real motives, and aside from the 2 in Vallejo there are no connections to any of them. Only thing tying all this together are the fake letters and the Lake Berryessa copycat.

Multiple people spoke to him on the phone moments after the murders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfPI9RCX3XY

[TheMan]

I don't agree with a lot of what KennethGriffin says but cotdamn did he put us on blast :eek:
:(

The US likes pretending we're the good guys but we really have caused a whole lot of misery around the world...

Not every country hates us because of freedom and shit.

[bladefd]

Hannibal Lector if he was real

:biggums:

[bladefd]

The Japanese were one of the most horrible humans beings in WW2


We did the world a favor by stopping them and dropping them bombs

True.. Look up Rape of Nanking.. Disgusting what the Japanese did to the Chinese..


Anyways, why are we looking at countries during war as serial killers?? :facepalm

[TheMan]

True.. Look up Rape of Nanking.. Disgusting what the Japanese did to the Chinese..


Anyways, why are we looking at countries during war as serial killers?? :facepalm
So because of what the Japanese army did to the Chinese, it was ok to kill more than 200,000 civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaky? :wtf:

Yeah I agree, we are mixing apples and oranges with serial killers and what countries do during wartime...I just found it interesting how much destruction we have caused around the globe.

[CelticBaller]

So because of what the Japanese army did to the Chinese, it was ok to kill more than 200,000 civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaky? :wtf:

Yeah I agree, we are mixing apples and oranges with serial killers and what countries do during wartime...I just found it interesting how much destruction we have caused around the globe.
Japanese killed millions of civilians...

[TheImmortal]

the US government



Japan

https://countercurrents.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/hiroshima-nagasaki.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/B34St4y/vietnam-war-america-enters-11-728.jpg


Iraq

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPwuOGkWIAAvWCr.jpg:large


Korea

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/130722110555-03-korean-war-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg

Vietnam

https://cdn.opendemocracy.net/files/IanMahoney.jpg

https://statpedia.com/exports/Skz-9Bx5.png







https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051
Yup.


Also... you know what. Lest we forget.

[scuzzy]

People understood this until snowflake liberals became such a loudmouth minority. We tamed the Japs and the Germans, and eventually the Soviets. US to the world..."you're welcome" :pimp:


US gave the Jap scientists and docs from Unit 731 massacre compete immunity and full time jobs post WW2


This included all the engineers and IQ's from Nazi regime also, US snatched all that research and brushed their experiments under the rug


Where do you think the medicinal, industrial and tech boom rooted from? :hammerhead:

[bladefd]

US gave the Jap scientists and docs from Unit 731 massacre compete immunity and full time jobs post WW2


This included all the engineers and IQ's from Nazi regime also, US snatched all that research and brushed their experiments under the rug


Where do you think the medicinal, industrial and tech boom rooted from? :hammerhead:

America also used Werner von Braun and Nazi rocket concepts to win the space race. Jet engine technology also comes from Nazi Germany, which we improved upon. Many of our NASA scientists back then were from Nazi Germany/Japan from WW2. It is just how it goes in life. Winners of war get the spoils of war, whether it is technology, resources, land, money or people.

[warriorfan]

Duck, your fascination with large men with high iq is a little disturbing

Just a friendly heads up

[warriorfan]

Clown rapist is pretty bad. He might take the cake. BTK is very disturbing too on how he was able to pull off a double life for so long. He seemed like he was just some dorky ass family man who (ironically) was obsessed the with rules. John Gacy did this in a similar fashion as well. Imagine if a co worker or family member you knew for 20+ years turned out to have been killing people the entire time. Something like that would shake your world view I imagine. It probably would be hard to truly ever trust anyone again.

[TheMan]

Japanese killed millions of civilians...
Again, the Japanese ARMY did this...

So the Japanese are terrible because they killed a whole lot of civilians...doesn't that make the US also terrible because we also killed a whole lot of civilians, just not as many as the Japanese?

Back to the thread topic...in my opinion, when considering which serial killers are amongst the worst, body count should not be the only factor nor the deciding factor either. The type of victim and the severity of the act should be accounted for. GTFOH with those nurses who poisoned old folks as being amongst the worst, lol. Those who rape/torture/slaughter children should be considered the most depraved subhumans of all. It is much much much worse killing a child then some methhead hooker or some fggot, sorry.

Albert Fish (someone already mentioned him) is really underrated as a serial killer while Manson is way overrated since he didn't actually kill anyone himself...lets just include Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot too if we are gonna include dudes who ordered others to kill.

[iamgine]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pujbAu7ZwN0/maxresdefault.jpg

[Long Duck Dong]

Again, the Japanese ARMY did this...

So the Japanese are terrible because they killed a whole lot of civilians...doesn't that make the US also terrible because we also killed a whole lot of civilians, just not as many as the Japanese?


Hiroshima and Nagasaki were legit military targets. No one, especially back then, were going to hold off attacking major military and industrial war machine targets just because civilians surrounded it. A good portion of those "civilians" were part of the war effort anyway. The end totally justified the means in this case since Japan was the agitator and the US was just defending itself. That bomb saved a lot more Asian, American AND JAPANESE lives than it took, end of story.

The funny thing is, A LOT MORE German civilians were killed in allied bombings than that bomb took but you don't ever hear any snowflakes crying over these Nazi sympathizers deaths. :oldlol:

[JBSptfn]

He's not classified as a serial killer though since he never did any of the killing.

Yes. That was Tex Watson. He was the killer (on his own, not from Manson's orders. It was drug-related):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4Z5qYt2bgA

[Norcaliblunt]

Multiple people spoke to him on the phone moments after the murders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfPI9RCX3XY


Again the calls were never proven through any forensics to be from the actual killer or killers. Just like the letters they were most likely hoax

[Norcaliblunt]

Yes. That was Tex Watson. He was the killer (on his own, not from Manson's orders. It was drug-related):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4Z5qYt2bgA


Yup I

[Raymone]

Again the calls were never proven through any forensics to be from the actual killer or killers. Just like the letters they were most likely hoax’s. Media ran with this stuff just to sell papers and thus the legend began.

How would someone call police after each murder, confess to the killings and provide details of the murders if they weren't involved in the killings? These phone calls took place before police were even on the scene. Pieces of Paul Stine's bloody shirt were mailed in with the letters.

You're not making sense.

[Nanners]

toy box killer imo. if you need some nightmare fuel check out the tape he played for his victims

[Long Duck Dong]

toy box killer imo. if you need some nightmare fuel check out the tape he played for his victims

At first I thought you said Tool Box Killers. Then I noticed it was singular. The Tool Box Killers didn't kill that many victims but their rape/torture/murders were viscious even by serial killer standards. Tearing out pieces of teenage girl's private parts while they were still alive. Then going out and volunteering to help the needy, and regularly donating not insignificant sums of money to help our their less fortunate neighbors. :wtf:

[Derka]

At the Newseum in Washington DC, I remember going through the FBI's Famous Cases exhibit there. They had the shed the Unabomber lived in, some 9/11 wreckage, the shoes the would-be Shoe Bomber wore when he tried to blow his plane up, some other relics from famous Ganglang-era cases.

One of the displays was a painting John Wayne Gacy sent to the FBI detective who led the investigation and eventually helped catch him. It was a self-portrait of himself in one of his clown costumes and a message congratulated him for catching him. It closed with some quote about patience and harvesting...I don't remember exactly what it was but I walked away from that exhibit about as creeped out as I had ever been in my life. Gacy's been dead for years and he scared the shit out of me with that.

[Thorpesaurous]

This is a subject I've been a fan of forever. I'm probably mostly a Zodiac fan, because he's the first book I ever read in the true crime genre, but I've read tons of books on tons of killers. I have less time now as I've gotten older, but I still find myself falling down rabit holes on youtube and even text driven websites.

The torture guys to me are the scariest. Gacy on the original list. I was deep into BTK when he finally got caught. I do like the unsolved cases with communication to police, almost certainly because of how fascinated I became with Zodiac during the 90s from reading Graysmith's book, and then whatever I could find on the topic. BTK felt like a more extreme version when I got into him. Nanners mentioned Toy Box who is extreme.

I scanned through this thread, and most of the big ones have been hit.

I'd throw out Isreal Keyes, as an interesting case if you've never heard of him. He's most scary because of the amount of preparation he put into his killings:


For the Currier murders, he flew to Chicago where he rented a car to drive the 1000 additional miles to Vermont. He then used the murder kit he had hidden two years earlier to perform the murders.

[Raymone]

At first I thought you said Tool Box Killers. Then I noticed it was singular. The Tool Box Killers didn't kill that many victims but their rape/torture/murders were viscious even by serial killer standards. Tearing out pieces of teenage girl's private parts while they were still alive. Then going out and volunteering to help the needy, and regularly donating not insignificant sums of money to help our their less fortunate neighbors. :wtf:

F*ck... the Ledford murder in particular was horrific. Reading the transcript (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/watchingrobertpickton88015/transcript-of-shirley-lynette-ledford-audio-record-t3312.html) and you can even hear the actual screams from the audio tape being played in the courtroom at 26:44 in this NBC footage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY4YmVi4_LQ&t=26m44s), even after the doors close.

Apparently one of the detectives ended up killing himself and citing the audio tape in his suicide note. The tape is played for new FBI recruits to desensitize them.


Stephen Kay, the prosecutor at Bittaker's trial, still considers the murders committed by Bittaker and Norris as being the worst criminal case he has ever prosecuted or encountered, and remains insistent in his belief that Bittaker deserves to be executed more than any other inmate incarcerated on California's death row. In interviews, he has stated that for over two years following the trial of Lawrence Bittaker, his sleep was disturbed by recurring nightmares in which he would be rushing to Bittaker's van to prevent harm coming to the girls, but would "always get there too late."

With Stephen Kay forewarning the jury: "For those of you who do not know what hell is like, you will find out." More than 100 people were present in the courtroom as the tape was played, and many members of both the jury and the audience wept openly upon hearing the contents, with several members of the audience either burying their heads in their hands, daubing tears from their eyes or rushing out of the courtroom before the tape had finished. Bittaker was undisturbed at hearing the contents of the tape—smiling throughout the hearing of the recording'

Detective Paul Bynum, the chief investigator of the murders committed by Bittaker and Norris, committed suicide in December 1987. He was 39 years old. In a ten-page suicide note, Bynum specifically referred to the murders committed by Bittaker and Norris as haunting him, and of his fear they may be released from prison.

The audio tape Bittaker and Norris created of themselves raping and torturing Shirley Lynette Ledford remains in the possession of the FBI Academy. The audio cassette is now used to train and desensitize FBI agents to the raw reality of torture and murder.

And somehow Bittaker is still alive today, just sitting on death row.

[bladefd]

F*ck... the Ledford murder in particular was horrific. Reading the transcript (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/watchingrobertpickton88015/transcript-of-shirley-lynette-ledford-audio-record-t3312.html) and you can even hear the actual screams from the audio tape being played in the courtroom at 26:44 in this NBC footage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY4YmVi4_LQ&t=26m44s), even after the doors close.

Apparently one of the detectives ended up killing himself and citing the audio tape in his suicide note. The tape is played for new FBI recruits to desensitize them.



And somehow Bittaker is still alive today, just sitting on death row.

Goddamn, guy sat there smiling as the tape is played and enjoying it.. Pretty f*cked up. :confusedshrug:

So the investigator killed himself over that.. In the 80s, it was probably new so I can see why the investigator would kill himself over this. Today, he probably wouldn't. Today, the screams are scary but not enough for someone to kill himself over. I have seen some scary stuff, so I guess I am desensitized myself over the years.. I think a lot of people nowadays are desensitized and don't feel much. Perhaps the doing of modern technology, computers, social media, graphic videogames/tv shows/movies..