Only MJ never lost with a 1 or 2 seed

[3ball]

Among top 10 players

So everyone lost with good teams except MJ (6-0)

Accordingly, the league is lucky he didn't land on a good team right away or get a good sidekick early on like Magic, Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Kareem, Bird, etc

otherwise, he'd have 10-13 rings. Lebron can't say that because he loses with good teams all the time (6 losses with 1 or 2 seeds)

[AirBonner]

But he lost with two 20pt scorers

[SouBeachTalents]

In 1990 the Bulls had the 2nd best record in the East and won 55 games, you're just arguing semantics

[72-10]

wow I did not know that.

Who are the top 10 players? Do you mean the ISH list?

[AirBonner]

Woolridge, Dailey, Gervin were all better scorers than prime Pippen. Why did Jordan underachieve?

[3ball]

In 1990 the Bulls had the 2nd best record in the East and won 55 games, you're just arguing semantics
No I'm not - Lebron, Magic, and Larry lost 6 times each with 1 and 2 seeds

And a 3 seed will be an underdog more often, as MJ was in 1990.. Again, Lebron/Magic/Larry lost as favored 1 and 2 seeds all the time.

Only MJ never lost with a good team

[bigkingsfan]

1995
17 Starts, 13 Wins, 4 Losses

Plentiful rest. First seed pace. Lost in the 2nd round.

[sportjames23]

Among top 10 players

So everyone lost with good teams except MJ (6-0)

Accordingly, the league is lucky he didn't land on a good team right away or get a good sidekick early on like Magic, Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Kareem, Bird, etc

otherwise, he'd have 10-13 rings. Lebron can't say that because he loses with good teams all the time (6 losses with 1 or 2 seeds)

#Facts

3ball got these kids steaming. :oldlol:

[imdaman99]

How many all time great teams did they beat? Old Pistons? Old Lakers? Wow so impressive!

[jstern]

That's due to his ability to step it up, preventing situations that will give the other team an increase chance of winning. For example, the flu game should had been a loss. Game six in 98, clutch shot, clutch steal, clutch shot, preventing game 7.

It's one of the biggest difference that I see with Lebron. For example last year, game 6 against the Pacers. Lebron visibly quit against the Pacer. Thus putting himself in a position where the Pacers could win in game 7.

Or the series against Dwight Howard.

[3ball]

How many all time great teams did they beat?

Old Pistons?


Isiah was 29 in 1991.. dumars and rodman were 27. All were all-stars and the team was favored to 3-peat heading into the 91' season (http://articles.latimes.com/1990-10-28/sports/sp-4734_1_detroit-pistons).

The bulls simply destroyed them the same way the 14' spurs beat the 2-time Heat - with superior brand of ball against an all-star team (pistons had 3x all-stars at every starting spot; bulls had 1x pippen)

Surely elevating the bulls from 8-seed doormats in 86', to 6th-seeded overachievers in 89', to still underdogs (http://articles.latimes.com/1990-10-28/sports/sp-4734_1_detroit-pistons) heading into their 91' championship season is a tougher path than landing on the Finals favorite heading into year 1 (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2241463-nba-championship-odds-2014-15-every-teams-chances-of-winning-the-nba-title#slide0), as lebron did in 2011 and 2015.





Old Lakers? Wow so impressive!


Perkins and Divac were sophisticated bigs that could pass and shoot - both averaged 17/9 in the Finals and were easily better than anyone after the magic/MJ and worthy/pippen matchups.. and btw, magic was 31 and runner-up for league MVP, while worthy was all-nba and led the Lakers in Finals scoring at 19 ppg...

After magic/worthy/divac/perkins, the Lakers still had 90' all-star ac green (divac/perkins took his minutes).. and elden campbell... That's way more talent than the bulls had

[TheCorporation]

1/10 Pre Pippen
3x 1st round exits
Missed playoffs twice

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

isnt he like 24-0 in series with HCA?

He never lost as the favorite. Thats crazy

Russell comes the closest but hes 22-1

[TheCorporation]

isnt he like 24-0 in series with HCA?

He never lost as the favorite. Thats crazy

Russell comes the closest but hes 22-1

He had a stacked team and faced cupcakes.
Who knew he would win some games as the favorite versus cupcakes.
It helps when you have Scottie Pippen doing everything

[Kblaze8855]

When the second seed is 53 wins and the third is 55....

[3ball]

When the second seed is 53 wins and the third is 55....
Losses as 1 or 2 seed


Bird: 5
Magic: 6
Wilt: 9
Russell: 2
Kareem: 9
Kobe: 4
Shaq: 5
Duncan: 6
Lebron: 6
the goat: 0


That's a big enough sample to show that MJ was the most unbeatable