In 1986 MJ played with 3 players on offense that were better than prime Pippen

[AirBonner]

Woolridge, Dailey, Gervin were all better scorers than prime Pippen. Why did Jordan underachieve?

[3ball]

None were better scorers than prime pippen, obviously

85-87' MJ had 8-seeded casts that would've missed the playoffs with 06-08' lebron's inferior production (both players first 3 seasons making PO)

[FKAri]

We went from Bird/Magic team play to MJ cancer ball. David Stern wanted to market a dumb nigguh who jumped high for excitement and decided to shower MJ with success. It ruined the NBA. Stern sold out.

[72-10]

Jordan missed most of the season, so how is this thread relevant?

The Bulls were 9-9 with him, and 21-43 without him. He's the only reason they made the playoffs. It's like the fifth worst regular season record to ever make the playoffs.

Woolridge was an inconsistent shooter, so that results in many Ls.

Dailey and Wiggins both violated the L's drug policy. And Dailey wasn't a better scorer at all. He shot 43% from the field.

Old man Gervin was past his prime in his last year in the L, and had one great game all season.

[3ball]

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Regular Season

MJ. 85-87' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1985-1987-sum:per_game):. 31.7 ppg.. 2.0 oreb.. 3.6 dreb.. 5.0 apg.. 2.6 spg.. 1.2 bpg.. 57.1 ts.. 27.8 PER
LBJ 06-08' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2006-2008-sum:per_game):. 27.2 ppg.. 1.2 oreb.. 5.9 dreb.. 7.1 apg.. 1.4 spg.. 1.0 bpg.. 56.3 ts.. 27.2 PER..


^^^ yet MJ got the 8 seed and Lebron got a 2 seed and a couple 4 seeds


Playoffs

MJ. 85-87' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1985-1987-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 35.5 ppg.. 1.9 oreb.. 4.4 dreb.. 6.9 apg.. 2.4 spg.. 1.5 bpg.. 56.0 ts.. 27.4 PER
LBJ 06-08' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2006-2008-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 27.5 ppg.. 1.4 oreb.. 6.6 dreb.. 7.3 apg.. 1.6 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 53.1 ts.. 23.8 PER..


^^^ Yet MJ lost in the 1st round and Lebron made Finals... obviously, MJ had the worse cast

[MrFonzworth]

Baron Davis>>>>

[AirBonner]

None were better scorers than prime pippen, obviously

85-87' MJ had 8-seeded casts that would've missed the playoffs with 06-08' lebron's inferior production (both players first 3 seasons making PO)
Give 23 year old LeBron that same cast and he makes the finals. This is a fact due to LeBron

[FKAri]

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Regular Season

MJ. 85-87' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1985-1987-sum:per_game):. 31.7 ppg.. 2.0 oreb.. 3.6 dreb.. 5.0 apg.. 2.6 spg.. 1.2 bpg.. 57.1 ts.. 27.8 PER
LBJ 06-08' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2006-2008-sum:per_game)... 27.2 ppg.. 1.2 oreb.. 5.9 dreb.. 7.1 apg.. 1.4 spg.. 1.0 bpg.. 56.3 ts.. 27.2 PER..


^^^ yet MJ got the 8 seed and Lebron got a 2 seed and a couple 4 seeds


Playoffs

MJ. 85-87' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1985-1987-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 35.5 ppg.. 1.9 oreb.. 4.4 dreb.. 6.9 apg.. 2.4 spg.. 1.5 bpg.. 56.0 ts.. 27.4 PER
LBJ 06-08' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2006-2008-sum:playoffs_per_game)... 27.5 ppg.. 1.4 oreb.. 6.6 dreb.. 7.3 apg.. 1.6 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 53.1 ts.. 23.8 PER..


^^^ Yet MJ lost in the 1st round and Lebron made Finals... obviously, MJ had the worse cast

LeBron is like Magic and Bird. Team play. Sharing the ball. Getting the most out of teammates. MJ is cancer in visual form. He's like Westbrook with lower bball iq.

[3ball]

[QUOTE=AirBonner]Give 23 year old LeBron that same cast and he makes the finals. This is a fact due to LeBron

[AirBonner]

Lebron was swept by the champs with a 2 seed cast

So he isn't doing shit with an 8 seed against goat champs - and if mj's 44 on 50% isn't enough, what would lebron's 22 on 36% do?... :roll: :yaohappy:

Btw, you can't have superior team play when ur losing with heavily-favored 1 and 2 seeds from 09-11'
Did LeBron have 3 players that were better than prime Pippen on offense? No? Okay. LeBron dragged absolute garbage to a two seed

[3ball]

LeBron is like Magic and Bird. Team play. Sharing the ball. Getting the most out of teammates. MJ is cancer in visual form. He's like Westbrook with lower bball iq.
He simply had better players.. the accolades and stats tell the story clear as day

And not a single player saw their stats improve over lebron's tenure, whereas most of mj's teammates did..

the myth that lebron makes teammates better has largely been exposed at this point, even by espn (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23684417/kevin-pelton-weekly-mailbag-does-lebron-james-make-teammates-better)

[jstern]

This is truly the spreadsheet era. No context or game watching needed.

[FKAri]

He simply had better players.. the accolades and stats tell the story clear as day

And not a single player saw their stats improve over lebron's tenure, whereas most of mj's teammates did..

the myth that lebron makes teammates better has largely been exposed at this point, even by espn (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23684417/kevin-pelton-weekly-mailbag-does-lebron-james-make-teammates-better)
accolades and stats? smh

Just like this gentleman said:

This is truly the spreadsheet era. No context or game watching needed.

[Duncan21formvp]

[QUOTE=AirBonner]Give 23 year old LeBron that same cast and he makes the finals. This is a fact due to LeBron

[SouBeachTalents]

He couldn't even beat Dwight Howard with HCA.
Duncan couldn't even beat Zach Randolph with HCA

[Akeem34TheDream]

Duncan couldn't even beat Zach Randolph with HCA
LMAOO
And this Duncan guy keeps telling the same thing over and over and over.

[uber]

Duncan couldn't even beat Zach Randolph with HCA

But nobody has him as the GOAT.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Woolridge, Dailey, Gervin were all better scorers than prime Pippen. Why did Jordan underachieve?

Jordan got Gervin when he was past his prime, and Orlando Woolridge was a crackhead and cocaine addict, and Ron Boone was just another college Duke superstar turned NBA scrub.

[Gileraracer]

But nobody has him as the GOAT.

Only millenials have Lebron as GOAT. And they obviously have no clue about basketball.

[LostCause]

LeBron had the MDE (Shaq) that Kobe won3 straight with. Why'd he underachieve?

[AirBonner]

LeBron had the MDE (Shaq) that Kobe won3 straight with. Why'd he underachieve?
Shaq was younger when he played with Kobe :confusedshrug:

[LostCause]

Shaq was younger when he played with Kobe :confusedshrug:

So?

[jstern]

I read some pretty interesting info in one of 3ball's thread

Losses as the one or two seed

Lebron: 6 (Including a series against Dwight Howard)
Jordan: 0

[Leviathon1121]

LMAOO
And this Duncan guy keeps telling the same thing over and over and over.
So?