What young players did Kobe develop?

[StrongLurk]

Shaq was able to turn Kobe into a superstar. Why didn't Kobe develop any young players?

[imdaman99]

Kobe turned an 0-16 guy into a champion. A winless guy. Let that sink in.

[ImKobe]

Kobe turned Bynum into the best big man in the NBA (2012), turned a career loser in Gasol to a perennial all-star and 2x champion, turned Lamar Odom into 6MOY.

Now what players did Lebron develop? Wade, Bosh, Love, Irving, Rose, IT, Korver were all better without him.

[ShawkFactory]

Kobe turned an 0-16 guy into a champion. A winless guy. Let that sink in.
Sure did.

But Pau was already a formidable player. Particularly on the international stage.

I don

[Manny98]

Kobe turned an 0-16 guy into a champion. A winless guy. Let that sink in.
Nope

Kobe pre Gasol

2005 - misses playoffs

2006 - barely makes the playoffs and chokes a 3-1 lead in the 1st round

2007 - swept in the 1st round


Kobe with Gasol

2008 - finals

2009 - Championship

2010 - Championship

https://i.postimg.cc/9MP6x9RT/photo.jpg

Guess who led the Lakers in both plus minus and win shares in both 09 and 10?


https://i.postimg.cc/N00VV5HV/Cma-U7-Py-WEAAao-IA.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/y8D8HYcJ/download-3.jpg

Gasol transformed a team from first round fodder into championship caliber if that is not superstar caliber i don't know what is

[LAmbruh]

Nope

Kobe pre Gasol

2005 - misses playoffs

2006 - barely makes the playoffs and chokes a 3-1 lead in the 1st round

2007 - swept in the 1st round


Kobe with Gasol

2008 - finals

2009 - Championship

2010 - Championship

https://i.postimg.cc/9MP6x9RT/photo.jpg

Guess who led the Lakers in both plus minus and win shares in both 09 and 10?


https://i.postimg.cc/N00VV5HV/Cma-U7-Py-WEAAao-IA.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/y8D8HYcJ/download-3.jpg

Gasol transformed a team from first round fodder into championship caliber if that is not superstar caliber i don't know what is
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/OoOoo.gif

[game3524]

Ariza got paid in 2009 thanks to Kobe.

[StrongLurk]

Odom and Gasol were not young, they were in their mid twenties and played exactly the same before they went to the Lakers. Also Odom was a starter for the first 4 years of the Lakers (05-08)...so saying he turned Odom into 6MOY (in 2011...) isn't "development" LOL.

Ariza was clearly a better player after the Lakers.

Andrew Bynum is a good mention, although he only had one good year.

[kennethgriffen]

kobe made young guys so good they kept getting big pay days from other teams that the lakers couldn't afford to match


kareem rush tripled his salary in charlotte
caron butler made an extra 8 million a year leaving for washington
ronny turiaf more than quadrupled his salary in golden state
jordan farmar tripled his salary leaving for new jersey
ariza tripled his salary leaving for houston
josh mcroberts salary doubled
jodie meeks made an extra 5 million a year leaving for detroit
wesley johnson more than quadrupled his salary with the clippers

[StrongLurk]

kobe made young guys so good they kept getting big pay days from other teams that the lakers couldn't afford to match


kareem rush tripled his salary in charlotte
caron butler made an extra 8 million a year leaving for washington
ronny turiaf more than quadrupled his salary in golden state
jordan farmar tripled his salary leaving for new jersey
ariza tripled his salary leaving for houston
josh mcroberts salary doubled
jodie meeks made an extra 5 million a year leaving for detroit
wesley johnson more than quadrupled his salary with the clippers

Most of those players are complete scrubs lol.

Butler and Ariza were clearly better after leaving the Lakers.

[kennethgriffen]

Most of those players are complete scrubs lol.

Butler and Ariza were clearly better after leaving the Lakers.


i thought we were talking about young developing players ... thats all kobe had them for. just long enough to get them paid. after that if they didn't pan out then i guess thats even more credit to kobe since they failed miserably without him but looked promising with him


how can kobe continue developing jodie meeks in detroit

[Manny98]

Jeremy Lin was never the same after one season under Kobe ball

Bynum said himself that Kobe stunted his development
http://www.espn.co.uk/nba/story/_/id/8753097/andrew-bynum-philadelphia-76ers-says-kobe-bryant-stunted-development-los-angeles-lakers

Stunted Smush Parker and Kwame as well pretty much ruined there careers

[StrongLurk]

i thought we were talking about young developing players ... thats all kobe had them for. just long enough to get them paid. after that if they didn't pan out then i guess thats even more credit to kobe since they failed miserably without him but looked promising with him

That doesn't make any sense. Scrubs get "paid" all the time. That doesn't mean they are good players.

[StrongLurk]

Jeremy Lin was never the same after one season under Kobe ball

Bynum said himself that Kobe stunted his development
http://www.espn.co.uk/nba/story/_/id/8753097/andrew-bynum-philadelphia-76ers-says-kobe-bryant-stunted-development-los-angeles-lakers

Stunted Smush Parker and Kwame as well pretty much ruined there careers

The Bynum article :eek: :eek: :eek:

[kennethgriffen]

That doesn't make any sense. Scrubs get "paid" all the time. That doesn't mean they are good players.


you basically just said kobe got scrubs paid


checkmate

[kennethgriffen]

The Bynum article :eek: :eek: :eek:


yeah kobe stunted bynum


19ppg allstar with kobe
8ppg a year later without him


and the reason he didn't break out sooner was because there was a guy named pau gasol on the team getting his opportunities and helping the lakers win titles

:lol

[StrongLurk]

you basically just said kobe got scrubs paid


checkmate

Key word = scrubs

checkmate

[kennethgriffen]

Key word = scrubs

checkmate


key word = paid


with kobe they looked like "young promising players"


only in hindsight are they considered scrubs

checkmate x2

[Dray n Klay]

key word = paid

checkmate x2


What happened to Dwight Howard


He was only 26 when he played with Kobe

[kennethgriffen]

What happened to Dwight Howard


He was only 26 when he played with Kobe



he made the allstar team and got a max deal with houston


:lol


kobe always makes sure guys get paid. its up to them to put in the work to earn that next big deal

[StrongLurk]

key word = paid


with kobe they looked like "young promising players"


only in hindsight are they considered scrubs

checkmate x2

You seem to have trouble with simple logic. I said scrubs get paid all the time.

You agreed. Yet you also think scrubs = scrubs is untrue?

How fascinating.

Lebron has gotten pretty much every player he has played with paid, yet you always say he makes players worse...

[kennethgriffen]

You seem to have trouble with simple logic. I said scrubs get paid all the time.

You agreed. Yet you also think scrubs = scrubs is untrue?

How fascinating.

Lebron has gotten pretty much every player he has played with paid, yet you always say he makes players worse...


you lost. deal with it


the fact that so many of them turned out to be scrubs is even more telling that kobe developed them enough to get noticed

had they gone elsewhere and been even greater then you would say it had nothing to do with kobe

[Dray n Klay]

he made the allstar team and got a max deal with houston


:lol


kobe always makes sure guys get paid. its up to them to put in the work to earn that next big deal


So you

[Dray n Klay]

Kenneth: Kevin Love also made the all star team this year and got the max :lol


So LeBron made him better also? :eek:

[StrongLurk]

you lost. deal with it


the fact that so many of them turned out to be scrubs is even more telling that kobe developed them enough to get noticed

had they gone elsewhere and been even greater then you would say it had nothing to do with kobe

If they are scrubs then they weren't developed.

MJ developed Pippen, Shaq developed Kobe, Lebron developed Kyrie, Kobe developed...Jordan Farmar?

[r15mohd]

in this thread...KenNERD is saying how Kobe got scrubs paid, so essentially makes them better.

in the "what did Lebron do to big men thread"...says Mozgov is a nobody after Lebron. i'm sure he must not have remembered the huge contract he got after CLE :rolleyes: :facepalm

barely an hour before the flip flopping

[StrongLurk]

in this thread...KenNERD is saying how Kobe got scrubs paid, so essentially makes them better.

in the "what did Lebron do to big men thread"...says Mozgov is a nobody after Lebron. i'm sure he must not have remembered the huge contract he got after CLE :rolleyes: :facepalm

barely an hour before the flip flopping

He's proud of his lack of ability to think...kind of sad actually.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Bynum, Pau, Lamar, Vujačić, Ariza...

They were never better than with Kobe's Lakers.

What's with the half-baked topics? All this is you projecting your insecurities as a Lebron fan.

[sammichoffate]

Kobe turned Ron Artest into the best NBA Rap Artist ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjEUAtEisc4

[StrongLurk]

Bynum, Pau, Lamar, Vujačić, Ariza...

They were never better than with Kobe's Lakers.

What's with the half-baked topics? All this is you projecting your insecurities as a Lebron fan.

Pau and Lamar were no different with Kobe than without.They were all great together for sure. But Pau and Lamar were literally the same players before joining the Lakers.

Ariza played 100 games with Kobe and averaged 8 points per game.

Basically it seems like young players didn't like playing for Kobe for long. Bynum was the one player who actually did become noteworthy..but hated Kobe and actually claims Kobe held him back so...

[Gus Hemmingway]

Bynum, Pau, Lamar, Vujačić, Ariza...

They were never better than with Kobe's Lakers.

What's with the half-baked topics? All this is you projecting your insecurities as a Lebron fan.
Gasol had his best season with the Bulls as did Odom with the Clippers and Ariza with the Rockets :oldlol: :hammerhead:

[coin24]

LeBaldo wouldn't even sniff the finals out west with some of the casts kobe had..

[kennethgriffen]

Gasol had his best season with the Bulls as did Odom with the Clippers and Ariza with the Rockets :oldlol: :hammerhead:

i thought pau carried kobe to the 2010 championship


if 2015 was paus best season and the bulls failed then i guess pau's 2010 playoffs are completely overrated


woops

[stalkerforlife]

you basically just said kobe got scrubs paid


checkmate

/thread

[stalkerforlife]

you lost. deal with it


the fact that so many of them turned out to be scrubs is even more telling that kobe developed them enough to get noticed

had they gone elsewhere and been even greater then you would say it had nothing to do with kobe

Absolutely destroyed the kid.

Over and over.

[StrongLurk]

So we have Andrew Bynum, who was good for one year. Not bad Kobe, not bad.

Mods you can wrap this up for me :sleeping

[stalkerforlife]

i thought pau carried kobe to the 2010 championship


if 2015 was paus best season and the bulls failed then i guess pau's 2010 playoffs are completely overrated


woops

Yikes.

:roll:

You're running circles around Simon.

[stalkerforlife]

So we have Andrew Bynum, who was good for one year. Not bad Kobe, not bad.

Mods you can wrap this up for me :sleeping

You made Simon beg for the mods to delete the topic, kenneth.

:roll:

[StrongLurk]

You made Simon beg for the mods to delete the topic, kenneth.

:roll:

I'm not Simon, also Kenneth never mentioned Bynum in his list. ImKobe, who is a much better poster than Kenneth, mentioned Bynum.

Kenneth tried to make the argument that Kobe developed scrubs by turning them into...scrubs.

We have a consensus which is why the mods can take care of the rest.

Kobe developed one good young player...although Bynum himself said Kobe held him back. We can just leave this up to interpretation.

[hiphopanonymous]

Kobe developed the entire world that played during and after him.

He inspired the world to play better basketball.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4X1W3YLlEA

OP thought "hyuk i got one on Kobe this time!"

:no:

https://sports.cbsimg.net/images/nba/photogallery/xlarge.jpg

Even Kyrie was given the mamba mentality:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFGA9eWsTZk

Kobe developed Kyrie's mental game before LeBron even got to Cleveland.

Good thing too, Kyrie saved LeBron with one of the biggest shots in LeBron's career.

[The Iron Fist]

Pau and Lamar were no different with Kobe than without.They were all great together for sure. But Pau and Lamar were literally the same players before joining the Lakers.

Ariza played 100 games with Kobe and averaged 8 points per game.

Basically it seems like young players didn't like playing for Kobe for long. Bynum was the one player who actually did become noteworthy..but hated Kobe and actually claims Kobe held him back so...
How many playoff games did odom and pau win before joining the Lakers?

[StrongLurk]

How many playoff games did odom and pau win before joining the Lakers?

That's kind of irrelevant since they weren't young players while joining the Lakers anyways.

But, as individual players, they didn't change when they got to the Lakers. They just played with more talent, hence won more playoff games.

Are you going to say Rick Fox was better than Odom and Gasol because Rick Fox won playoff games and even championship rings?