Tom Brady lost 3 Bowls, Montana (Undefeated)

[100grandman]

Who would you want starting your Super Bowl for you? It's clear....

:confusedshrug:

[DaHeezy]

Funny how this applies to the NBA, but not in NFL.

[MaxFly]

Lol, c'mon man.

[imdaman99]

Losing a super bowl or championship does not gain you ANY points if you're trying to be an all time great. But he has won more.

Montana lost a couple times to the Giants as well :pimp:

The real dilemma is if somehow the Rams beat the Pats this Sunday. That makes Brady 5-4... which doesn't look sexy any more.

[Smoke117]

Was Tom Brady throwing to Jerry Rice?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Last superbowl Brady threw for 500 yards. But he lost so you want to act like he somehow was not impressive. That somehow his career would be better if he had led the team to 3 less superbowls. I guess losing in the wild cards would have been better, right?

Glad this topic is here. It doesn't belong in the football forum.

[CelticBaller]

I'd go with the guys who wins more

[MaxFly]

Last superbowl Brady threw for 500 yards. But he lost so you want to act like he somehow was not impressive. That somehow his career would be better if he had led the team to 3 less superbowls. I guess losing in the wild cards would have been better, right?

Glad this topic is here. It doesn't belong in the football forum.

:applause:

[Uncle Drew]

I’m undefeated in Super Bowls too.

[warriorfan]

Joe Cool

[warriorfan]

Last superbowl Brady threw for 500 yards. But he lost so you want to act like he somehow was not impressive. That somehow his career would be better if he had led the team to 3 less superbowls. I guess losing in the wild cards would have been better, right?

Glad this topic is here. It doesn't belong in the football forum.

Different Eras. Wilt averaged 55 points a game for an entire season. It would be much more difficult to achieve those numbers in the modern era. Same thing when using today’s passing statistics compared to guys from the 80’s

[imdaman99]

Was Tom Brady throwing to Jerry Rice?
Was Montana coached by Belechek? Football is the 1 sport where coaching means the world. We like to act like Brady wins these super bowls with scrubs, meanwhile he has an elite offensive line that doesn't even allow a sack all playoffs. That's on coaching and putting the team together.

[warriorfan]

Was Montana coached by Belechek? Football is the 1 sport where coaching means the world. We like to act like Brady wins these super bowls with scrubs, meanwhile he has an elite offensive line that doesn't even allow a sack all playoffs. That's on coaching and putting the team together.

In all fairness Montana was coached under Bill Walsh, also a coaching genius.

[Real Men Wear Green]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Different Eras. Wilt averaged 55 points a game for an entire season. It would be much more difficult to achieve those numbers in the modern era. Same thing when using today

[warriorfan]

500 yards passing is great no matter what the era. It makes no sense to point at that game as a reason to denigrate Brady's accomplishments. I want to see someone to try and talk about Brady's actual play in that game as if he's the reason the team lost. Explain how the Superbowl passing record was the result of bad quarterback play.

I didn

[Patrick Chewing]

Hell, Steve Young was a better quarterback than Joe Montana.

Montana's career high for TD's in a single season is 31. GOAT?? :oldlol:

[Real Men Wear Green]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]I didn

[TheMan]

I didn’t say he had poor QB play. Just saying becareful comparing yardage of today with statistics 30 years ago. It’s a much more qb friendly environment in today’s game.
This guy gets it :applause:

I'll take Joe Cool.

[warriorfan]

Hell, Steve Young was a better quarterback than Joe Montana.

Montana's career high for TD's in a single season is 31. GOAT?? :oldlol:

I

[TheMan]

Hell, Steve Young was a better quarterback than Joe Montana.

Montana's career high for TD's in a single season is 31. GOAT?? :oldlol:
Stop it

The 49ers were a well balanced offensive team, they weren't a pass happy team like the Dolphins with Marino...they had a dude who was a pretty good RB named Roger Craig, you might have heard of him :confusedshrug:

[ShawkFactory]

Montana won 4 Super Bowls in his first 10 years as a starter, 2 of which were injury riddled years.

Never lost a game in the super bowl and has the most impressive drive in super bowl history. He was joe cool. Unflappable.

A few others had more technical talent, including Steve young, but they weren

[stalkerforlife]

Funny how this applies to the NBA, but not in NFL.

Brady has more titles than Joe, though. And Brady continually does it without having the best talent around him.

Bad analogy.:

Just horrible.

[The Iron Fist]

Was Tom Brady throwing to Jerry Rice?
Joe was a champion before Jerry.

[Patrick Chewing]

Joe was a champion before Jerry.


And Tom was a champion before.....


Danny Amendola?

[ShawkFactory]

And Tom was a champion before.....


Danny Amendola?
Wasn

[egokiller]

Who would you want starting your Super Bowl for you? It's clear....

:confusedshrug:

Brady has thrown 5 interceptions in super bowls while Montana has thrown 0. Montana was so perfect he didn’t ****ing know how to throw an interception when the stakes were that high. Just like how MJ didn’t know how to allow a game 7 in the finals.

It’s very clear. Stop wasting efforts focusing on wannabe’s like Brady.

[kennethgriffen]

4 for 4 only beats 4 for 9 ... not 6 for 9 assuming tom wins

[dude77]

has the most impressive drive in super bowl history. He was joe cool. Unflappable.



:whatever: brady brought his team back down 28-3 in a superbowl .. not to mention his other comebacks and late game winning drives like his first sb

not knocking montana at all though .. he was awesome but brady has already surpassed him .. just too much .. the guy is dominating into his 40s and still winning sbs in his 40s which is unprecedented

[tpols]

:whatever: brady brought his team back down 28-3 in a superbowl .. not to mention his other comebacks and late game winning drives like his first sb

not knocking montana at all though .. he was awesome but brady has already surpassed him .. just too much .. the guy is dominating into his 40s and still winning sbs in his 40s which is unprecedented


really... what superbowl has brady won in his 40s?

[dude77]

really... what superbowl has brady won in his 40s?


superbowl LIII :pimp: .. ok he was 6 months from his 40th bday on his last sb win .. he was basically 40 already .. but just to be sure he's gonna win it this sunday at 41

by the way, has anyone noticed the patriots have been to 4 of the last 5 sbs :eek:

[Derka]

You guys just can't help yourselves biting on troll threads like this, can you?

[Wally450]

Brady is the greatest player to step foot on a football field.

[ShawkFactory]

:whatever: brady brought his team back down 28-3 in a superbowl .. not to mention his other comebacks and late game winning drives like his first sb

not knocking montana at all though .. he was awesome but brady has already surpassed him .. just too much .. the guy is dominating into his 40s and still winning sbs in his 40s which is unprecedented
True.

But a 93 yard drive with 2 minutes left when you need a touchdown, in a low scoring game, in the 80s.

Stuff is magical. At the start of the drive in the huddle he pointed out John Candy in the stands. Everyone apparently relaxed completely. When your QB is calm you're calm.

[red1]

I hate the patriots but I hardly ever bet against them. Brady is the GOAT because he performs under pressure. Too many comebacks to count him out.

[100grandman]

I hate the patriots but I hardly ever bet against them. Brady is the GOAT because he performs under pressure. Too many comebacks to count him out.

You should here his philosophy behind coming through in the clutch. It's basically like, we're already losing so how can it get much worse? Time to be a hero.

It's not really killer instinct. I swear, go look at the interview.

[Mr.GOAT2408]

Brady and Montana have the 2 best QB resumes ever (at least Super Bowl era) but those teams were stacked, how the hell does a decent QB not win at least 4 super bowls playing for the 49ers in the 80s/90s and the Patriots this century?

Walsh and Belicheck probably have way more to do with their success than anything else, 49ers didn't really fall off until 1998. Hell Kansas City was winning 10+ and already had a playoff win in the 2 seasons before Montana showed up and proceeded to win 13 games the following season which didn't happen under Montana, don't be surprised if the Patriots still win 10-14 games after Brady retires especially if Belicheck is still running the team.

Just too many variables for basketball logic to be a part of football logic, but it's whatever people really like driving narratives when it comes to Quarterbacks. That said Montana absolutely balled in the playoffs and that makes his GOAT case really strong despite how stacked his teams were. Brady has been more lucky than anything else but 9 super bowls is insane. Both in the GOAT discussion, as are several other QBs who didn't have the stacked teams or excellent coaching these 2 got to experience for essentially their entire careers.

[dude77]

True.

But a 93 yard drive with 2 minutes left when you need a touchdown, in a low scoring game, in the 80s.

Stuff is magical. At the start of the drive in the huddle he pointed out John Candy in the stands. Everyone apparently relaxed completely. When your QB is calm you're calm.

no argument here .. that was a goat championship drive

[Kblaze8855]

You watch a guy lose throwing for 500 yards and blame him for it. This shit never ends.

Whatever anyone thinks of Brady hes never been THE reason his team lost a playoff game. hes had poor games but never to the point they lost just because of it.

[Mr.GOAT2408]

You watch a guy lose throwing for 500 yards and blame him for it. This shit never ends.

Whatever anyone thinks of Brady hes never been THE reason his team lost a playoff game. hes had poor games but never to the point they lost just because of it.
Oh he's definitely been the main culprit behind a few playoff losses: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201001100nwe.htm and he definitely played awful vs the Colts in 2006 playoffs.. you know the bottom ranked defense Colts (granted they weren't healthy until playoffs) while Manning had to face the vaunted Patriots defense. Those are just off the top of my head.

And they've often won in spite of his bad play (vs Chargers in 2007 comes to mind), but when your defense is routinely good you can get away with more bad play. Not every QB has the same luxury.

Don't get me wrong, he wasn't the reason why they lost to the Eagles, if anything he was the main reason they were in it until the very end, but their success goes way beyond just one player. Again, very few QBs have had that luxury in football. Period.