[Wojnarowski] Let's try that again: Dallas is finalizing a deal to land Kristaps

[superduper]

[Wojnarowski] Let's try that again: Dallas is finalizing a deal to land Kristaps Porzingis, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1091073315173736448

Luka and Porz :wtf:

[CelticBaller]

That was quick

[bluechox2]

NOOOO...doaln needs to get fired

[qrich]

Staps, Lee and THJr for DSJr, DeAndre, Wes and a pick :roll:

[lilteapot]

We cant have nice things in New York.

[Ben Simmons 25]

Holy shit New York... welcome... to another... decade... of irrelevance!

[Mask the Embiid]

Great move for both teams...Now who ever comes to new york can be "the man"


Way more appealing knowing that it will be your team + its NYC


my God this could really draw in a big big BIG fish like Durant


Mavs dump bums + DSJ for a possible superstar.Worth the risk

[Uncle Drew]

I am now a Dallas Mavericks fan.

[OG LeeTSkeeT]

the rebuild was so fast for the mavs. smh. porzingis is the perfect dirk replacement.

[Akrazotile]

Damn, okay.

If we can't have him in LA, this isn't bad. Should make a great combo with Donthicc. Still has half a season to be mentored by Dirk.



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[qrich]

Knicks banking on cap space, location and Knox/Trier/Robinson/DSJr + their first to lure KD :facepalm

[oh the horror]

Knicks fans need to remove Dolan.


That

[superduper]

the rebuild was so fast for the mavs. smh. porzingis is the perfect dirk replacement.

Luka is the Dirk replacement

[imdaman99]

:biggums: this is embarrassing.

It's really difficult being a Knicks fan man... that's why you need a 2nd team to root for. Knicks are a disgrace

[Uncle Drew]

Reminder: the Hawks traded Doncic for Trae Young.

[raprap]

NOOOO...doaln needs to get fired
You have cap now for two max contract this summer.

[bluechox2]

Knicks banking on cap space, location and Knox/Trier/Robinson/DSJr + their first to lure KD :facepalm
2 mAX CAP slots now..maybe a kd and kyrie

[lilteapot]

2 mAX CAP slots now..maybe a kd and kyrie
i hope those two ninnies have the balls to come play in the Mecca.

[AirBonner]

You have cap now for two max contract this summer.
Let's be real. No one is going there :oldlol:

[superduper]

2 mAX CAP slots now..maybe a kd and kyrie

Imagine Dolan pulls that off wtf :lol

[qrich]

2 mAX CAP slots now..maybe a kd and kyrie
Or, more realistically, you end up overpaying Tobias and Khris Middleton

[Gus Hemmingway]

Let's be real. No one is going there :oldlol:
this :oldlol:

[Akrazotile]

Reminder: the Hawks traded Doncic for Trae Young.


That was before he'd played an NBA game tho.

I mean it's not like young Euro's never bust. Rubio was supposedly going to be "revolutionary." I had doubts about Donthicc before the season myself.

But obviously it's clear now he's legit and I'm happy to root for him, he plays great basketball.

[CelticBaller]

Knicks wanted KD AD and Kyrie

They will get Dennis Smith, Deandre Jordan and Tobias Harris :roll:

[Manny98]

Dallas fans hold this W :cheers:

Knicks fans hold this L :lol

[oh the horror]

That

[raprap]

Let's be real. No one is going there :oldlol:
Yeah lol the only player they had that was enticing for FAs was KP

Unless Kyrie and KD have already talked about teaming up there

[Manny98]

Knicks wanted KD AD and Kyrie

They will get Dennis Smith, Deandre Jordan and Tobias Harris :roll:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Milbuck]

Dude...if this isn't because they know with certainty that KD + another guy is coming, and they don't get anyone, just end that franchise. Seriously.

Kristaps Porzingis for a f*cking salary dump lmao. They better have a plan locked down.

[AirBonner]

Porzingus was literally the ONLY draw for players wanting to going to the Knicks

[Akrazotile]

Yeah lol the only player they had that was enticing for FAs was KP

Unless Kyrie and KD have already talked about teaming up there


I strongly doubt Durant goes there, but I wouldn't rule it out entirely.

Kyrie, on the other hand, I could DEFINITELY see going there even if the team is going to stink, so that he can be the unquestioned shot jacker. That's really all he wants.

Didnt wanna play in Cleveland because Lebron outshined him. Doesn't wanna play in Boston where they have to "pass" and "play like a team."

Kyrie wants a green light to take 40 shots. The Knicks will give it to him.

Hell, he might have already intimated to them he'll go there this offseason IF they move Zingis :lol

[FireDavidKahn]

Wow...that was a fast rebuild by Dallas.

A healthy Porz + Luka are going to eviscerate teams.

[qrich]

Wonder if the Knicks will re-direct DJ to try to pick up a SRP or something.

[lilteapot]

Dude...if this isn't because they know with certainty that KD + another guy is coming, and they don't get anyone, just end that franchise. Seriously.
maybe the knicks know something we don't? maybe KP is more messed up than we though.

[superduper]

maybe the knicks know something we don't? maybe KP is more messed up than we though.

Definitely possible. We haven't seen ANYTHING from Porz in the longest time.

[raprap]

Dude...if this isn't because they know with certainty that KD + another guy is coming, and they don't get anyone, just end that franchise. Seriously.

Kristaps Porzingis for a f*cking salary dump lmao. They better have a plan locked down.
They could

[AirBonner]

I strongly doubt Durant goes there, but I wouldn't rule it out entirely.

Kyrie, on the other hand, I could DEFINITELY see going there even if the team is going to stink, so that he can be the unquestioned shot jacker. That's really all he wants.

Didnt wanna play in Cleveland because Lebron outshined him. Doesn't wanna play in Boston where they have to "pass" and "play like a team."

Kyrie wants a green light to take 40 shots. The Knicks will give it to him.

Hell, he might have already intimated to them he'll go there this offseason IF they move Zingis :lol
Somewhat disagree. I think he'd love the money but regret rotting on a shitty franchise

[Facepalm]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyRGDSmWoAA9n9B.jpg

[qrich]

[QUOTE=raprap]They could

[Patrick Chewing]

Definitely possible. We haven't seen ANYTHING from Porz in the longest time.


This. Name any player that has had a successful career being 7'3" or taller. Not too many out there.

[game3524]

Knicks have to know that they are landing KD+someone else this summer. Otherwise, this doesn't make much sense.

[zeerghit]

Knicks have to know that they are landing KD+someone else this summer. Otherwise, this doesn't make much sense.
more likely kemba and harris

[AirBonner]

Knicks have to know that they are landing KD+someone else this summer. Otherwise, this doesn't make much sense.
Nothing ever makes sense with the Knicks. They are looking for their Stephon Marbury. DSJ is that guy :bowdown:

[game3524]

more likely kemba and harris

:oldlol:

Masterplan to win 45 games.

[Hey Yo]

Wow...that was a fast rebuild by Dallas.

A healthy Porz + Luka are going to eviscerate teams.
Not to be negative, but we haven't seen KP play yet since his ACL injury.

Knicks taking a gamble that he may have reoccurring health problems and selling as high as you can now without having to showcase him again which could lead to another quick injury.

Both teams taking a gamble.

[FireDavidKahn]

Knicks have to know that they are landing KD+someone else this summer. Otherwise, this doesn't make much sense.
Sums up the Knicks. Terribly run franchise for a very long time. The only reason they are relevant is because they are in NY.

[UK2K]

:biggums: this is embarrassing.

It's really difficult being a Knicks fan man... that's why you need a 2nd team to root for. Knicks are a disgrace
DSJ, Knox, and some cap space isnt a bad spot to be in.

[qrich]

DSJ, Knox, and some cap space isnt a bad spot to be in.
Trier > Knox.

Yes, I said it :D

[FireDavidKahn]

DSJ, Knox, and some cap space isnt a bad spot to be in.
It is when you are the Knicks.:confusedshrug:

They are as terribly run, and have been for a long time, as any franchise in the NBA. Their only saving grace is that they are in a mega market.

[Real Men Wear Green]

It's not a bad deal for the Knicks if they are high on DSJ and don't like how Porzingas is recovering. But if Porzingas is alright this is pretty ****ing terrible.

Either way the timing on this deal could be right to ruin the game vs. the Cs tomorrow. I'm always down for a Knicks ass-kicking.:D

[Wally450]

Good point made in an earlier post about the Knicks possibly knowing something about KP's recovery.

[Milbuck]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1091080742749253632

Sources: All-Star Kristaps Porzingis is planning to inform the Dallas Mavericks his intent is to sign the qualifying offer in restricted free agency this summer.

Woah.

[qrich]

According to Shams, Staps will sign the QO this summer and not an extension :roll:

[FireDavidKahn]

Good point made in an earlier post about the Knicks possibly knowing something about KP's recovery.
Well medicals are known to both teams in a trade. Everything the Knicks know about his injury and recovery the Mavs know as well.

[kennethgriffen]

so the knicks traded away the next dirk nowitzki for some expiring contracts?


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[FireDavidKahn]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1091080742749253632


Woah.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

That'd be so messed up if KP took the QO and left in a year. Cold blooded.

I really hope he doesn't though as him and Luka can be special.

[kennethgriffen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2Bh3ZA08vI

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

Did the Knicks get a draft pick too?

[qrich]

Did the Knicks get a draft pick too?
Yes, but no details on what type, what protections and what year.

[Draz]

We did it to sign Carmelo for a max

[Milbuck]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

That'd be so messed up if KP took the QO and left in a year. Cold blooded.

I really hope he doesn't though as him and Luka can be special.
He knows where he wants to be. Bring him home. :applause:

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[Patrick Chewing]

Yes, but no details on what type, what protections and what year.


Would be nice if it was this year's cause Dallas is going to lose a lot more games now.

[qrich]

Would be nice if it was this year's cause Dallas is going to lose a lot more games now.
Can't be, already owed to Atlanta in the Trae/Luka deal.

[zeerghit]

We did it to sign Carmelo for a max
dont forget drose

[FireDavidKahn]

He knows where he wants to be. Bring him home. :applause:

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That'd be dope but how could they afford him?

[Cleverness]

Hmm. DeAndre Jordan + Luka pnr worked well. Will it work better with Porzingis?

[Milbuck]

That'd be dope but how could they afford him?
If we renounced all our expiring contracts' cap holds we'd have a max slot, or we could keep Brogdon's cap hold + one of either Middleton/Bledsoe's cap hold, and we could have a max slot if we shed Ilyasova and Thon, which is easily doable.

Obviously I'm just joking around and KP probably has some other team on his mind, but if his goal is A) winning, B) playing alongside a legit star in his age range, and C) for a great coach, the Bucks are the ideal scenario. He seems like a needy, big market guy tho which makes it tough.

[PJR]

Porzingis seems hell bent on becoming an unrestricted free agent

[NBAGOAT]

cuban deserves all the praise in the world for this.

[sammichoffate]

That'd be dope but how could they afford him?Nearly everyone but Brogdan and Giannis will be off the books after this and next season. If they could get rid of Snell and George Hill, that would be awesome.

[qrich]

Speaking about Staps signing the QO, looks like there's two QOs:


I think this is KP posturing like he might take the QO to try to get the Mavs to offer the Max QO. They're in a really tough spot if he's willing to take that massive risk coming off an injury.

The Max QO is a standing offer for five years at the max with full raises, with no options, no bonuses, no extras, fully guaranteed. If Kristaps signs that, he's under contract for five years, albeit at the max.

The regular QO is just one year, but there's a lesser-known and lesser-used QO teams can use called the Maximum QO that replaces the regular QO if the team offers it.

[raprap]

Porzingis signing the QO. Hmmm something is not right here

[Milbuck]

Nearly everyone but Brogdan and Giannis will be off the books after this and next season. If they could get rid of Snell and George Hill, that would be awesome.
Snell will be tough, but Hill is basically an expiring, only has $1 mil guaranteed for next year. Ersan is the one who'd be pretty easy to dump if needed, Thon too.

The $$$ will not be an issue, now that they've dumped Delly & Henson's horrible contracts they can easily open up a max slot if they really wanted to. All it comes down to is where Kristaps wants to be. Which I'm guessing probably isn't the Bucks, but from a basketball standpoint it'd be such an amazing situation for him long-term.

[raprap]

Speaking about Staps signing the QO, looks like there's two QOs:
Wow didn

[qrich]

[QUOTE=raprap]Wow didn

[Springsteen]

When was the last time the Knicks landed a marquee free agent? Stoudemire? Carmelo doesn't count because they mortgaged their future instead of just waiting a year. They're really banking on that when the Lakers with Lebron are waiting right across the country?

Just pure retardation by management. How is this the most valuable franchise in the NBA.

[sammichoffate]

Snell will be tough, but Hill is basically an expiring, only has $1 mil guaranteed for next year. Ersan is the one who'd be pretty easy to dump if needed, Thon too.

The $$$ will not be an issue, now that they've dumped Delly & Henson's horrible contracts they can easily open up a max slot if they really wanted to. All it comes down to is where Kristaps wants to be. Which I'm guessing probably isn't the Bucks, but from a basketball standpoint it'd be such an amazing situation for him long-term.If I were him, I would strongly consider Milwaukee because Giannis isn't even at his best yet. That team would compete for the Finals for at least 5 years, upside would be insane.

How much would you be willing to retain Middleton for? He's probably looking north of 20mil so I doubt you would keep him.

[atljonesbro]

The Knicks are such a trash org :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Grey Dawn]

How many games in how many seasons has zinger even played?
He

[Grey Dawn]

How many games in how many seasons has zinger even played?
He

[Real Men Wear Green]

Odd thought: Porzingis could have been a nice consolation prize for one of the teams that couldn't trade for AD and would be a lot cheaper to obtain. Celtics might have been able to get him just with the draft picks no need to touch the core.

[zeerghit]

[QUOTE=Grey Dawn]How many games in how many seasons has zinger even played?
He

[Phenith]

WOW, I can't believe they didn't field offers first... wtf :confusedshrug:

[fourkicks44]

When the Knicks declained Porzingis' extension last year I knew he would be outta there soon.

The warning bells have been sounding for sometime even going back to the Phil Jackson era.

Dolan is a complete moron.

[qrich]

I have no doubt they've been fielding offers this whole time and leaked the meeting to make Staps look bad

[game3524]

When was the last time the Knicks landed a marquee free agent? Stoudemire? Carmelo doesn't count because they mortgaged their future instead of just waiting a year. They're really banking on that when the Lakers with Lebron are waiting right across the country?

Just pure retardation by management. How is this the most valuable franchise in the NBA.

LeBron is going to be 35 though.

[fourkicks44]

I have no doubt they've been fielding offers this whole time and leaked the meeting to make Staps look bad

Yeah it seems that way.

In hindsight this looks like it has been going on for sometime.

Shit has smelt fishy for a while.

[imdaman99]

I have no doubt they've been fielding offers this whole time and leaked the meeting to make Staps look bad
Yeah there is NO way the trade got done that quick after Porzingis camp released that they were unhappy. It could be KP camp said that before the trade happened to save face. I don't know. Plus, the team they traded with is in town. Regardless, Knicks are a mess. How can I have faith that anything good will happen... when it never does???? :roll:

:mad: :rant :(

[FireDavidKahn]

Dinwiddie trolling hard.

https://twitter.com/SDinwiddie_25/status/1091054857283403781

[Patrick Chewing]

Yo let's get real here. Knicks still have Luke Kornet who is playing better basketball than Kristaps right now.

[zeerghit]

the main question is which pick and protection
i think dallas cant trade till 2021

[Doranku]

Where is ginobli? You've gotta be happy with Mavs management for once. :lol

[chocolatethunder]

I can

[DMAVS41]

Where is ginobli? You've gotta be happy with Mavs management for once. :lol

Yep.

Does anyone know the pick Dallas is sending?

[DMAVS41]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

That'd be so messed up if KP took the QO and left in a year. Cold blooded.

I really hope he doesn't though as him and Luka can be special.

That is why the price was so low for him, but obviously worth the risk because the Mavericks didn't give up anything of real future value and only had to take back some salary for next year in Lee...and Hardaway for 2 years (but I actually don't mind Hardaway's salary with the 2 coming cap increases)...

I understand it for both teams, but I'm glad to be on the Mavs side of it.

[sammichoffate]

That is why the price was so low for him, but obviously worth the risk because the Mavericks didn't give up anything of real future value and only had to take back some salary for next year in Lee...and Hardaway for 2 years (but I actually don't mind Hardaway's salary with the 2 coming cap increases)...

I understand it for both teams, but I'm glad to be on the Mavs side of it.https://im.ezgif.com/tmp/ezgif-1-30e55ee204a4.gif
Congrats Bro :cheers:

[Meticode]

The Mavs just solidified their team for years if Porzingis stays. Luka and Kristaps is a good tandam with a young age to boot.

[bluechox2]

The Mavs just solidified their team for years if Porzingis stays. Luka and Kristaps is a good tandam with a young age to boot.

porzigis wont sign a max extension this summer...

[DMAVS41]

Apparently it is 2 future first round picks. Don't know the protections, but they better be well protected.

Honestly, pretty good get for the Knicks for a player coming off an injury like this that doesn't want to be there and is saying he won't sign an extension for his new team.

[Meticode]

porzigis wont sign a max extension this summer...
Never know. Cuban is crafty under the desk with hand shake deals.

[pastis]

can somebody explain me briefly, if the mavs got robbed?

do the mavs have the Rights to match offers next summer?

courntey lee (25 mio and still 2 year contract) and THJ (55 Mio) is just horrible?

[DMAVS41]

porzigis wont sign a max extension this summer...

Yea, if he won't...

I really hope Cuban gets creative with Barnes and Powell now.

They are solid players that could help contending teams...and if the Mavs could open up a bit more cap space this summer...it would be great.

Because they really have to go after better players to ensure the future...even if Kristaps leaves or just is injured and loses his career.

[bluechox2]

can somebody explain me briefly, if the mavs got robbed?

do the mavs have the Rights to match offers next summer?

courntey lee (25 mio and still 2 year contract) and THJ (55 Mio) is just horrible?

yea they can go over the cap for their own players..yall traded for kp's bird rights as well

[bluechox2]

quick question...if we do land kd and kyrie...can we also sign deandre over the cap?

[JohnnySic]

I wonder if this will encourage Dirk to come back and play 1 year with Dirk 2.0.

[DMAVS41]

can somebody explain me briefly, if the mavs got robbed?

do the mavs have the Rights to match offers next summer?

courntey lee (25 mio and still 2 year contract) and THJ (55 Mio) is just horrible?

If Kristaps signs the qualifying offer this summer...then, no, he will be an UFA next summer and Mavs don't have match rights.

Lee's salary only matters for next year...and 12 million expiring is actually an asset because it opens up trades.

Hardaway's is bigger and longer, but I think he is going to surprise some people playing under a good coach. In addition, it is only 1 extra year and the cap is jumping twice.

Didn't get robbed at all. We gave up very few real future assets for the chance to land a 23 year old all-nba caliber player that should fit perfectly next to our all-nba caliber 19 year old.

In my opinion, getting off Barnes and Powell...while at first glance seems both hard to do and potentially not a good idea...would be the way to go....to open up more cap this summer. Maybe you overpay a guy like Middleton, but it would be worth it if it helps you keep Kristaps...because the Mavs would be much better with him than they are with Barnes, for example.

[bluechox2]

WE GOT 2 PICKS!!!

and apparently will cut jordan and mathews asap

[Patrick Chewing]

TWO Future 1st Round Picks from Dallas now.


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[CelticBaller]

porzigis wont sign a max extension this summer...
Yes he will. He will beyond stupid not too :facepalm

That's why he asked for a trade

[Levity]

LOL

The NBA doesnt fail to make me laugh.

[bluechox2]

Yes he will. He will beyond stupid not too :facepalm

That's why he asked for a trade

already been tweeted and shit...

[sammichoffate]

Yes he will. He will beyond stupid not too :facepalm

That's why he asked for a tradeHe asked for a trade because the Knicks are ass, he could've just stayed in NY for the max if money was the issue.

[CelticBaller]

already been tweeted and shit...
He will lose money if he doesn't

no rookie ever has turned that shit down

[pastis]

If Kristaps signs the qualifying offer this summer...then, no, he will be an UFA next summer and Mavs don't have match rights.

Lee's salary only matters for next year...and 12 million expiring is actually an asset because it opens up trades.

Hardaway's is bigger and longer, but I think he is going to surprise some people playing under a good coach. In addition, it is only 1 extra year and the cap is jumping twice.

Didn't get robbed at all. We gave up very few real future assets for the chance to land a 23 year old all-nba caliber player that should fit perfectly next to our all-nba caliber 19 year old.

In my opinion, getting off Barnes and Powell...while at first glance seems both hard to do and potentially not a good idea...would be the way to go....to open up more cap this summer. Maybe you overpay a guy like Middleton, but it would be worth it if it helps you keep Kristaps...because the Mavs would be much better with him than they are with Barnes, for example.

im not sure about that. If mavs cant matchan offer we got robbed imo. Why is Hardaway better than Smith jr who costs just a Fragment of Hardaways overpaid salary?!

[DMAVS41]

im not sure about that. If KP signs a Qualifying offer we got robbed imo. Why is Hardaway better than Smith jr who costs just a Fragment of Hardaways overpaid salary?!

Better? Well, he's a better player in my opinion...but I'm not sure he's a better value.

When you say robbed though...that implies the Mavericks gave up a lot.

DSJ didn't fit on the team and that was clear...he also had limited trade value.

Wes and DJ are utterly meaningless.

Lee expires next year and is good for trades so that doesn't hurt at all.

Hardaway has 2 years left, but, again, I think he's actually pretty good.

The only thing we gave up that could potentially matter is the 2 first round picks, but I need to know the protections first

But, robbed? We gave up very little at the chance to land a 23 year old all nba player that should fit perfectly next to Luka.

:confusedshrug:

[Loco 50]

That's pretty damn classy of the Zinger to not sink his trade value by avoiding the temptation to publicly demand a trade like a lot of these other cocksvckers out here. :mad:

[pastis]

dmavs41: i dont share your opinion regarding the skills of Hardaways and the "flaws" of DSJ. I dont see how Hardaway is the better Player. He just got his playing time in a horrible knicks squad. he is Shooting below 40%, only 2.5 assists. just a high volume scorer. IMO he is the OPPOSite of what the mavs need

[knicksman]

its the knicks. why build throught draft when youre no. 1 or no. 2 when it comes to free agency. And its durant vs porzingis whos too risky because of his body type. Hes already injury prone last season.

[PP34Deuce]

A style difference I see between the players involved.

Look at the background and coaching...

Dallas has always been great for Foreign players. They also will be a lot more patient with Kristaps who needs a little more "nurturing"

Fizdale requires his players to be athletic and play hard. Dennis Smith will flourish under Fiz.

Good trade for both teams.

[ArbitraryWater]

oh my..


:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[kentatm]

Why is Hardaway better than Smith jr who costs just a Fragment of Hardaways overpaid salary?!

B/c he isn't going to quit playing b/c he is mad he is no longer the primary ball handler?

[D-Wait]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:




























































:biggums:

WHAT THE FUKK ?????????????????

[coin24]

Seems good for both teams:cheers:

[Milbuck]

I actually think THJ could be a pretty good player for Dallas. In his last season in Atlanta under Budenholzer he had a nice season, was arguably their 2nd best player after Millsap and they scraped into the playoffs.

He's horrible as a primary guy on a dysfunctional team, but on a well coached team with some semblance of talent (Luka, KP), he could be pretty good as a 3rd-4th guy.

[bladefd]

The Knicks announce the trade of Kristaps Porzingis but they don't specify which two future first round picks they're getting from Dallas. NYK GM Scott Perry: "Considering the uncertainty regarding Kristaps' free agent status and his request today to be traded, we made a trade that we are confident improves the franchise."
-Ian Begley ESPN

[stalkerforlife]

I actually think THJ could be a pretty good player for Dallas. In his last season in Atlanta under Budenholzer he had a nice season, was arguably their 2nd best player after Millsap and they scraped into the playoffs.

He's horrible as a primary guy on a dysfunctional team, but on a well coached team with some semblance of talent (Luka, KP), he could be pretty good as a 3rd-4th guy.

Agreed on THJ.

[Jasper]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25894335/dallas-mavericks-agree-trade-new-york-knicks-kristaps-porzingis

done deal , Cuban is the man , replacing Dirk , with Proz....

He will be getting a 1st rounder , in coming draft , so Dallas will be a player in 2020 playoffs.... good for Dallas.

[D-Wait]

Really can't get my head around this trade.

Dallas is THE TEAM of the future :eek: :eek:

[RealSkipBayless]

Mavs got a rental. :lol

Knicks will have Zion, DSJ and cap space this summer. 4D chess the Knicks are playing.

[zeerghit]

2021 unprotected and 2013 top10 protected.. it actually look solid for ny

[keep-itreal]

PorzinGOAT AND DONTHICC? :rockon:

[fourkicks44]

If the Knicks buyout Wes Mathews Sixers need to pounce.

[bobopenguin]

i have successfully convert my inner self to a Dallas fan. I always think Cuban is such a cool boss, Dirk is an awesome guy, Doncic is a new rising legend, now if they really land porzingis.. GOD...

I <3 Dallas Mavs.

[bison]

The "next Dirk Nowitzki" is going to team up with the current "heir to Dirk Nowitzki" and both will be mentored by the actual Dirk Nowitzki :bowdown:

[brownmamba00]

Wow knicks all in on zion

[superduper]

can't wait til porz is back

[pastis]

can't wait til porz is back

thats it. giving the knicks 2 first rounders and coming back next summer. Another big L for Cuban

the knicks are like:

https://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/063/491/my_trap_card.jpg

[bluechox2]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BtUNvslFhPW/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1sy8d4y9k6xdf&fbclid=IwAR1a2_zg-QiUSJbPdC1LB38OVfdexOBUMcDWn_0f8F--phHVphtt670zoDo

michael rapaport weighs in

[Patrick Chewing]

Think of this Starting Lineup for the Knicks next season:

PG - Kyrie Irving
SF - Kevin Knox
SF - Kevin Durant
PF - Zion Williamson
C - Mitchell Robinson

[D-Wait]

Wow knicks all in on zion

It's not like DSJ and Jordan won't win them some games...

This is about clearing 2 max slots...

[bobopenguin]

KD, pls announce that u are staying in gsw, so these knicks will look like fools now.

[imdaman99]

KD, pls announce that u are staying in gsw, so these knicks will look like fools now.
It's still likely he stays in Golden State because that's who can give him the most money. But they give him the right to wanna be traded whenever he requests it. Of course that doesn't mean shit to you since you just wanna troll the Knicks. But it is what it is.

[LAVAR BALL]

Am i the only one finding the trade good for NY?

sure, Porz was an All-star, but:
-He was unhappy
- He is taking forever to come back from a serious injury
- TBH from an eternal POV, he seems a bit like a prima donna,(I never trust guys with families or best friends for agents, Rich Paul and Uncle Dennis say Hi)

So they trades him to have, a young player who will ebe happy to be part of a new plan, draft picks and 2 DAMN MAX SLOTS

Now, time for NY GM to show us they could attract people, but a

- D. Smith JR
- RJ Barret (sorry i trust him a little more than Zion)
- Jimmy
- Tobias Harris
- DJ/ROLO

Lineup and You can start talking in the Eastern conference

[DMAVS41]

Adrian Wojnarowski
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@wojespn
ESPN Sources with @IanBegley: Dallas is sending New York a 2021 unprotected first-round pick and a 2023 protected first-round pick (1-10) in the deal.

4,690
5:36 PM - Jan 31, 2019

Wow, an unprotected first rounder?

Knicks did very well here.

Cuban better find a way to sign a real player or two this off-season.

[eliteballer]

:biggums:

[Real14]

What the phuck!!!!!!!!!!!:biggums: :biggums:

[Real14]

Yall some ****ing Knicks haters :coleman:

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Mavs got a rental. :lol

Knicks will have Zion, DSJ and cap space this summer. 4D chess the Knicks are playing.
?? You think Godzingis is leaving? You don't think he'll gladly stay to play w/ Doncic and learn a thing or two from Dirk? :rolleyes:

And Zion Bustinson, overrated DSJ, and cap space for a franchise no one wants to play for? Please...

[Tennis19]

Knicks banking that the West stays super stacked. got 2 draft picks, decent player in DSJ. Also got to press the reset button on their salary cap.

[chains5000]

The knicks can be a fully rebuilt team in a few months, I don't see how this is a bad trade for them RIGHT NOW.
Maybe they can't get any good free agents and somehow end up with a bad lottery pick but, RIGHT NOW, it's a trade that's put them in a great position to rebuild and turn into a competitive team after the next offseason.

[jongib369]

https://youtu.be/Wrr2jx_08JA :roll:

[DMAVS41]

The knicks can be a fully rebuilt team in a few months, I don't see how this is a bad trade for them RIGHT NOW.
Maybe they can't get any good free agents and somehow end up with a bad lottery pick but, RIGHT NOW, it's a trade that's put them in a great position to rebuild and turn into a competitive team after the next offseason.

It was a very good trade for the Knicks in a vacuum...

Now, if they screw it up by panic signing 3rd tier stars to max money...that is on them, but doesn't change the fact that they essentially just got DSJ and the equivalent of 4 first round picks for an injured Kristaps who is about to be properly paid.

[chocolatethunder]

Wow, an unprotected first rounder?

Knicks did very well here.

Cuban better find a way to sign a real player or two this off-season.
As a Mavs fan I honestly don

[Duderonomy]

Mavs still owe the Hawks a 1st and now to two 1st to NY. Let's hope they can win by next season.

[FKAri]

Knicks banking that the West stays super stacked. got 2 draft picks, decent player in DSJ. Also got to press the reset button on their salary cap.
Knicks could've had DSJ instead of Frank :oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

[QUOTE=chocolatethunder]As a Mavs fan I honestly don

[chocolatethunder]

This is usually what fans think...and I'm not saying you are wrong, but...

We are about to give up a top 10 pick this year. Most people said last year..."oh, it won't even be a good pick because we got Luka who will be really good and DJ...so we'll be good"

But, nope. We suck...and we might give up like the 8th pick. And we could have just taken back Kent Bazemore's contract and kept the pick.

My point being, things change quickly.

I'm not saying it was bad for Dallas. I'm just saying that we now have Luka, an unknown in Kristaps that might get a huge payday, limited draft assets, and some really bad contracts.

This smells a little like rushing the process, but Cuban / Donnie could know they can move Barnes and or Powell...or have a couple more moves in place.

But with how good the West is...you better figure out a way to turn Barnes / Powell into one or two really good players before the 2021 season or things could look bad.

I get it for the Mavs...I really do, but Kristaps is not a lock to be what he was before he got hurt, and again, he's about to get a lot of money.


Couple of things here. A top three pick is very valuable, a top 10 pick is much more of a crap shoot. So yes giving up a decent pick for Luka right now is a smart move. Their is nothing about Young I like. DSJ was high boom or bust and just not a good fit especially w the arrival of Luka. Ok so on to the picks for this deal. First one is unprotected but I think that there

[DMAVS41]

Couple of things here. A top three pick is very valuable, a top 10 pick is much more of a crap shoot. So yes giving up a decent pick for Luka right now is a smart move. Their is nothing about Young I like. DSJ was high boom or bust and just not a good fit especially w the arrival of Luka. Ok so on to the picks for this deal. First one is unprotected but I think that there’s a decent chance that pick will not be a great pick and the second is top ten protected. They will not be a contender next year so who cares about Hardaway. They were able to get one of the best young talents in the entire league to pair with another of the best young talents in the entire league. To me it is a win for Dallas. It’s hard to imagine the Knicks coming out on top in this. With what Dallas risked they have very little chance of being worse than they have been the past several years and a good chance to be much better than they have been.

I think this is looking at it through the lens of "after we made the trade"...meaning we will now make decisions in order to try and make sure that pick we are giving up in 2021...is not good.

Same can be said for this year, we traded away a pick so we tried to be good...when in reality we just should have been bad either signed a young player in free agency last summer...or nobody at all. Traded our vets for salary and future picks...and drafted somewhere around the top 5.

Obviously Kristaps is much better than the guys they put around Dirk after Nash left, but this reminds me of the same old from Cuban. Rushing the process a bit, never developing a team, never having draft assets, targeting free agency only to whiff on most guys.

But, like I've said...it certainly has the chance to be great...I just like keeping the powder dry when you have a 19 year old stud like Luka cost controlled for like 7 years.

If Kristaps doesn't work out...the next 4 years are essentially gone unless Cuban can move Barnes / Powell and not take back a ton of salary and lands someone in free agency that has a real future on the team. That would change things quite a bit...if we could get someone this summer by taking advantage of the small cap hold for Kristaps (iirc 17 million)...if we could add a real player...would be huge.

[sammichoffate]

I think this is looking at it through the lens of "after we made the trade"...meaning we will now make decisions in order to try and make sure that pick we are giving up in 2021...is not good.

Same can be said for this year, we traded away a pick so we tried to be good...when in reality we just should have been bad either signed a young player in free agency last summer...or nobody at all. Traded our vets for salary and future picks...and drafted somewhere around the top 5.

Obviously Kristaps is much better than the guys they put around Dirk after Nash left, but this reminds me of the same old from Cuban. Rushing the process a bit, never developing a team, never having draft assets, targeting free agency only to whiff on most guys.

But, like I've said...it certainly has the chance to be great...I just like keeping the powder dry when you have a 19 year old stud like Luka cost controlled for like 7 years.

If Kristaps doesn't work out...the next 4 years are essentially gone unless Cuban can move Barnes / Powell and not take back a ton of salary and lands someone in free agency that has a real future on the team. That would change things quite a bit...if we could get someone this summer by taking advantage of the small cap hold for Kristaps (iirc 17 million)...if we could add a real player...would be huge.You're assuming that the Knicks are gonna actually be competent, hell I could see the players they draft somehow ending up in Dallas too because of how shit they've been :lol

[DMAVS41]

You're assuming that the Knicks are gonna actually be competent, hell I could see the players they draft somehow ending up in Dallas too because of how shit they've been :lol

I'm not assuming they will be.

I'm simply saying that this trade in a vacuum was good for them.

If they miss on the draft or free agency, it doesn't somehow make this trade bad the way I look at things.

[sammichoffate]

I'm not assuming they will be.

I'm simply saying that this trade in a vacuum was good for them.

If they miss on the draft or free agency, it doesn't somehow make this trade bad the way I look at things.If they whiff on FA and the draft, they essentially flipped Porzingis for two first rounders. Do you think that's fair value for someone in his situation?

[Patrick Chewing]

Knicks could've had DSJ instead of Frank :oldlol:


And now we have both for whatever that's worth. All I see is potential assets on this team.

If Kyrie comes this way, then there's no need for Mudiay, DSJ, or Frank. Not all of them at least. I like it.

[DMAVS41]

If they whiff on FA and the draft, they essentially flipped Porzingis for two first rounders. Do you think that's fair value for someone in his situation?

They'd have to whiff on on this free agency and the next one because the trade essentially generates cap they wouldn't have had for 2 years.

So, assuming that, do I think DSJ, an unprotected first, and a top 10 protected first is fair value for Kristaps coming off missing a year due to a serious injury while about to get paid?

No, that wouldn't be fair / full value for the Knicks, but it isn't actually that far off for me because of the above.

But, you'd also have to factor in things like the Knicks being even worse next year without Kristaps so their 2020 draft pick is better as well as part of this.

[tontoz]

If another team had KP and made this trade it would be horrible. But NY has been able to attract guys like Melo and Amare even though the team has been a dumpster fire. A lot of guys just want to play in NY.

[sammichoffate]

They'd have to whiff on on this free agency and the next one because the trade essentially generates cap they wouldn't have had for 2 years.

So, assuming that, do I think DSJ, an unprotected first, and a top 10 protected first is fair value for Kristaps coming off missing a year due to a serious injury while about to get paid?

No, that wouldn't be fair / full value for the Knicks, but it isn't actually that far off for me because of the above.

But, you'd also have to factor in things like the Knicks being even worse next year without Kristaps so their 2020 draft pick is better as well as part of this.That's fair, altho the FA class next season won't be nearly as good as this one. I'm surprised no one has talked about Mavs in FA, they have a decent amount of cap and two young stars going forward. If they flipped Barnes/Powell for more assets this would be amazing.

[DMAVS41]

That's fair, altho the FA class next season won't be nearly as good as this one. I'm surprised no one has talked about Mavs in FA, they have a decent amount of cap and two young stars going forward. If they flipped Barnes/Powell for more assets this would be amazing.

Well, we don't have cap unless we get off of Barnes / Powell.

Right now, Barnes / Powell / Lee / Hardaway make a combined 65 million.

Kristaps has a cap hold of 17 million.

Luka makes 8 million.

Brunson makes 1.5 million.

And then we'll want to keep Maxi and DFS...each have a cap hold of 1.5 million iirc.

So, really nothing to work with.

Now, you move Barnes and Powell to the Bucks for Hill / Smith / Protected first rounder...or something like that...maybe also use Lee to take back Snell for them if need be in a separate deal. Also would be willing to take back Maker.

You now have enough for a max player.

That is my hope, a deal like that, but I doubt it happens.