Kyrie on FA

[CelticBaller]

[FreezingTsmoove]

There isnt a single likeable superstar in the NBA right now

[AirTupac]

Bye bye Danny :roll: :roll:

[kennethgriffen]

kyrie ruined the celtics... hes a great 2nd option and crunch time player but a piss poor leader

[superduper]

kyrie ruined the celtics... hes a great 2nd option and crunch time player but a piss poor leader

They really should have kept IT tbh. It is really sad how IT's performance that season is pretty much forgotten, dude was balling out of his MIND and stood for what the Boston fans stand for. They were fun as hell to watch with IT leading the way and he was a good fit with Brad as well.

But then.. Bran ball :(

[CelticBaller]

In the full quote he mentions how he

[ronniec]

If Kyrie opts to leave, okay, thank you for your service, no hard feeling.
Really no hard feeling.
He was never a long time Celtics player anyway.

Also, we got into the conference final without him (and Hayward).
The team has enough potential to be great again.
If he choose to leave, then our rotation back to normal again, Brown, Smart and Rozier will get their minutes again.

Most importantly, his salary is off. We have cap to sign a max.

[FireDavidKahn]

^This guy acting like losing Kyrie is no big deal.:lol

[Rico2016]

I like Kyrie but he is finding out how hard it is to be a leader of an organization that demands/expects a lot from its players (and rightfully so).

[CelticBaller]

If Kyrie opts to leave, okay, thank you for your service, no hard feeling.
Really no hard feeling.
He was never a long time Celtics player anyway.

Also, we got into the conference final without him (and Hayward).
The team has enough potential to be great again.
If he choose to leave, then our rotation back to normal again, Brown, Smart and Rozier will get their minutes again.

Most importantly, his salary is off. We have cap to sign a max.
He

[Hey Yo]

They really should have kept IT tbh. It is really sad how IT's performance that season is pretty much forgotten, dude was balling out of his MIND and stood for what the Boston fans stand for. They were fun as hell to watch with IT leading the way and he was a good fit with Brad as well.

But then.. Bran ball :(
but.....but....IT played in a garbage conference, in a garbage era, right?

[Vragrant]

Bleacher Report tweeted:
Kyrie Irving when asked about his future with the Celtics:

Oct. 4, 2018:

[AirBonner]

^This guy acting like losing Kyrie is no big deal.:lol
It's not a big deal when Kyrie is EXTREMELY injury prone and is looking to sign a supermax deal. Sorry but supermaxes should never be spent on 2nd option players period.

[ronniec]

^This guy acting like losing Kyrie is no big deal.:lol

Yes, it is no big deal for me.
Players come and go, and as I said he was never a long time Celtic player.
Losing Pierce hurts (emotionally) lot more.

We reached the conference final without him.

We may lose him on FA, but we save the money to sign another max.

You give and you take.

[CelticBaller]

but.....but....IT played in a garbage conference, in a garbage era, right?
Ya the same dudes who called him a midget and the Cs a fake number 1 seed :roll:

[Dray n Klay]

kyrie ruined the celtics... hes a great 2nd option and crunch time player but a piss poor leader

How did LeBron manage to win with him?

[DMAVS41]

Like I have said from the jump.

The Kyrie situation was always interesting because he's had issues with injuries and is not guaranteed to stay.

We aren't on the inside so we don't know what Ainge actually knows, but if there is real uncertainty...

This would be pretty bad for the C's if he just walks...

I don't know what the actual percentage chance he walks is, but if it is like 20% or something...I think they'd be stupid not to trade him now.

[lilteapot]

There isnt a single likeable superstar in the NBA right now
this is right and it's depressing.

[ronniec]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]He

[ronniec]

It's not a big deal when Kyrie is EXTREMELY injury prone and is looking to sign a supermax deal. Sorry but supermaxes should never be spent on 2nd option players period.

Exactly

[AirTupac]

Danny "DA OVERRATED" Ainge strikes again

[CelticBaller]

Like I have said from the jump.

The Kyrie situation was always interesting because he's had issues with injuries and is not guaranteed to stay.

We aren't on the inside so we don't know what Ainge actually knows, but if there is real uncertainty...

This would be pretty bad for the C's if he just walks...

I don't know what the actual percentage chance he walks is, but if it is like 20% or something...I think they'd be stupid not to trade him now.
How it

[Uncle Drew]

He gone.

[PP34Deuce]

I told my friends that Boston's biggest issue is ego and while all the guys are good guys, 2-3 of them are wanting more of a role.

Kyrie wants to be the alpha and while he's the best player, the team went so far without him last year it's going to be hard to tell Rozier and Tatum to take a backseat.

[DMAVS41]

How it’s stupid? They keep him and trade for AD and then will have the best chance of keeping them both past July 1st

What?

I'm talking about risking him walking for nothing.

You know, how real life works where you don't know the future and have to deal in probability and chances.

Like I said, if Ainge and the Celtics know something we don't, great, but if losing Kyrie is legit chance (like 20% or higher) and you have AD putting it out there that he doesn't want to stay in Boston.

It is my opinion, that risking Kyrie walking for nothing when you are already saddled with Gordon's contract...would be a mistake.

Again, we don't have perfect information...but going off the information we have...there is a reason why many Boston fans aren't feeling great right now.

And this ignores the fact that Kyrie has had injury issues...do you really feel comfortable paying him that much per year long-term?

Again, like I have said from the beginning...this is a complicated and interesting situation...especially when you have the kind of future assets the Celtics do and young players.

No matter what happens, the decisions aren't easy either way.

[ronniec]

What?

I'm talking about risking him walking for nothing.

You know, how real life works where you don't know the future and have to deal in probability and chances.

Like I said, if Ainge and the Celtics know something we don't, great, but if losing Kyrie is legit chance (like 20% or higher) and you have AD putting it out there that he doesn't want to stay in Boston.

It is my opinion, that risking Kyrie walking for nothing when you are already saddled with Gordon's contract...would be a mistake.

Again, we don't have perfect information...but going off the information we have...there is a reason why many Boston fans aren't feeling great right now.

And this ignores the fact that Kyrie has had injury issues...do you really feel comfortable paying him that much per year long-term?

Again, like I have said from the beginning...this is a complicated and interesting situation...especially when you have the kind of future assets the Celtics do and young players.

No matter what happens, the decisions aren't easy either way.

It was the risk that we afforded to pay.

Again, without Kyrie, we went to the conference final.
This young core group is good, and we will give them time to develop.

Having "a healthy" Kyrie is good, but if he goes, probably we will get back the groove and players have more minutes and better rotation.

If he goes, we have money to sign a max.

How bad it is?
To sign an injury prone a supermax deal, or have the money to sign a healthier player that is willing to play for the Celtics long term?

[DMAVS41]

It was the risk that we afforded to pay.

Again, without Kyrie, we went to the conference final.
This young core group is good, and we will give them time to develop.

Having "a healthy" Kyrie is good, but if he goes, probably we will get back the groove and players have more minutes and better rotation.

If he goes, we have money to sign a max.

How bad it is?
To sign an injury prone a supermax deal, or have the money to sign a healthier player that is willing to play for the Celtics long term?

Well, I think you are kind of making my point.

If your team is this strong without him...and has young guys that are going to start needing to be paid...

And you can get a nice return for a player that you are kind of okay with leaving...

Why not just trade him and ensure you improve the team now?

Personally, I wouldn't be as ok as a Boston fan as you seem to be...with Kyrie just walking. Also, the Celtics have limited cap this summer, so you likely aren't signing anyone really good unless Horford agrees to not take his player option and signs a new contract or something.

[Ben Simmons 25]

There isnt a single likeable superstar in the NBA right now

Lol holy shit you’re actually right... they’re all little bitches in various ways... every single one of them. Wow. You’re actually right.

Embiid is hard to hate but I’m not sure he’s considered a superstar yet.

[Uncle Drew]

[QUOTE=Ben Simmons 25]Lol holy shit you

[ronniec]

Well, I think you are kind of making my point.

If your team is this strong without him...and has young guys that are going to start needing to be paid...

And you can get a nice return for a player that you are kind of okay with leaving...

Why not just trade him and ensure you improve the team now?

Personally, I wouldn't be as ok as a Boston fan as you seem to be...with Kyrie just walking. Also, the Celtics have limited cap this summer, so you likely aren't signing anyone really good unless Horford agrees to not take his player option and signs a new contract or something.

I trust Danny Ainge, he knows what he is doing.

Why not just sit back and watch what will happen?
As you said, there may be some behind the scene happened and we never know.

[Smook A.]

Just a few months ago in early October, it was reported that Kyrie wanted to stay with the Celtics long-term and planned to re-sign with them. Now that his team didn't start the 1st half of the season as expected, he sounds like he wants to leave :oldlol: This dude is bipolar

Only 3 superstars I can think of who are loyal and they are James Harden, Steph Curry, and hopefully Giannis.

Russ is definitely loyal too but im not putting him in that superstar category this season.

[CelticBaller]

Just a few months ago in early October, it was reported that Kyrie wanted to stay with the Celtics long-term and planned to re-sign with them. Now that his team didn't start the 1st half of the season as expected, he sounds like he wants to leave :oldlol: This dude is bipolar

Only 3 superstars I can think of who are loyal and they are James Harden, Steph Curry, and hopefully Giannis.

Russ is definitely loyal too but im not putting him in that superstar category this season.
[QUOTE]Before the season you said you planned on staying in Boston. Now, it's wait until July 1st. Did something happen? Did something change?

[DMAVS41]

I trust Danny Ainge, he knows what he is doing.

Why not just sit back and watch what will happen?
As you said, there may be some behind the scene happened and we never know.

Why not sit back?

Because I think the potential to lose a player like Kyrie for nothing is really bad.

Of course we don't have full information, I even posted that. I trust Ainge as well.

My point was simple...assuming nobody knows for sure...is letting Kyrie walk for nothing worth the risk for the Celtics?

My answer has always been no, but I understand thinking differently.

[Ben Simmons 25]

[QUOTE=Uncle Drew]Not saying that I hate him, but Embiid is easily one of the most hateable characters in the league. He

[Smook A.]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]Doesn

[aj1987]

Just a few months ago in early October, it was reported that Kyrie wanted to stay with the Celtics long-term and planned to re-sign with them. Now that his team didn't start the 1st half of the season as expected, he sounds like he wants to leave :oldlol: This dude is bipolar

Only 3 superstars I can think of who are loyal and they are James Harden, Steph Curry, and hopefully Giannis.

Russ is definitely loyal too but im not putting him in that superstar category this season.
Why the **** would Steph want to leave? KD, Klay, Green, Cousins, Iggy, etc..

I agree with Harden though. As much as people hate on him (and for good reasons), the dude literally never complains about his teammates and help. Major props.

[Smook A.]

Why the **** would Steph want to leave? KD, Klay, Green, Cousins, Iggy, etc..

I agree with Harden though. As much as people hate on him (and for good reasons), the dude literally never complains about his teammates and help. Major props.
Yep. I've never heard him say that he needs more talent around him, and he's never complained about who he's playing with. Even when he was with that drama queen, Dwight. It's kinda well known that Harden and Dwight didn't get along and still Harden's never publicly said anything negative about him.

[Manny98]

No one wants to play for Boston :roll: :roll: :roll:

KD and Kyrie are coming to team up in Brooklyn this off-season things are already being placed behind the scenes

[Manny98]

Boston fans actually thought for a second that Kyrie was going to stay? :roll: :roll::roll:

[sammichoffate]

Just a few months ago in early October, it was reported that Kyrie wanted to stay with the Celtics long-term and planned to re-sign with them. Now that his team didn't start the 1st half of the season as expected, he sounds like he wants to leave :oldlol: This dude is bipolar

Only 3 superstars I can think of who are loyal and they are James Harden, Steph Curry, and hopefully Giannis.

Russ is definitely loyal too but im not putting him in that superstar category this season.Dame is loyal, he just has crap around him. He'll probably be forced to leave too.

[Patrick Chewing]

There isnt a single likeable superstar in the NBA right now


Wrong.


https://media.giphy.com/media/2A1Iw56mjcAEqBEpW6/giphy.gif

[Ben Simmons 25]

Doesn’t look like he’s leaving

Looks like he he gave an unclear answer and conflicting viewpoints. THAT's what it looks like.

Kyrie either REALLY likes himself some drama OR he's just completely dumb as ****.

It's like he said "No, nothing changed, I'm not leaving. However, I'm going to do what's best for my family and I will consider all of my options on July 1st" which... are completely conflicting statements, FYI.

[Nash]

Kyrie for Mo Wagner and KCP. Take it or leave it DAnny

[Smook A.]

Dame is loyal, he just has crap around him. He'll probably be forced to leave too.
Yeah forgot about Dame. Won't be surprised if one day he asks to be traded though. Wouldn't blame him either

[aj1987]

Yep. I've never heard him say that he needs more talent around him, and he's never complained about who he's playing with. Even when he was with that drama queen, Dwight. It's kinda well known that Harden and Dwight didn't get along and still Harden's never publicly said anything negative about him.
Yep. The one of the few reasons why I respect him. Lets not forget Westbrook.



Dame is loyal, he just has crap around him. He'll probably be forced to leave too.
Dame too, although he's not a superstar, IMO.


Mike Conley, Marc, and Kemba?

[sammichoffate]

Yeah forgot about Dame. Won't be surprised if one day he asks to be traded though. Wouldn't blame him eitherIt's sad, he said he wanted to stay and retire as a Blazer but wasting your prime on a treadmill team is just a bitter pill to swallow.

[PickernRoller]

I always knew Kyrie was a Kobe's double agent.

Fvcking the Celtics is what we do.

[ronniec]

Why not sit back?

Because I think the potential to lose a player like Kyrie for nothing is really bad.

Of course we don't have full information, I even posted that. I trust Ainge as well.

My point was simple...assuming nobody knows for sure...is letting Kyrie walk for nothing worth the risk for the Celtics?

My answer has always been no, but I understand thinking differently.

Maybe because I never thought he would stay, so no disappointment

[Wally450]

I think it depends on what moves Ainge is planning to make. I'm sure Danny is in Kyrie's ear about what he's planning on doing this offseason to try and appease to Kyrie.

[DMAVS41]

Maybe because I never thought he would stay, so no disappointment

I get that, but if you are so indifferent about him staying...I don't see why you wouldn't want to move him and get a return for him.

[ronniec]

I get that, but if you are so indifferent about him staying...I don't see why you wouldn't want to move him and get a return for him.

Don't get me wrong, I am okay to move him, just don't think we can.
I can see Kyrie as a temporary solution (to develop the young while still be competitive), I can see Kyrie as a star to attract another star player coming.. but I cannot see Ainge using him as a trade bait to lure another star because the complexity of execution.
Want to do is different from able to do.

This is very complicated to do.. having two players willing to switch places.
Maybe AD will come to Boston because of the big market and traditional great team, but who wants to go to NO???
It probably will involve a 3rd team to do the sign and trade.. and I don't think Ainge will put himself into this position (hands tied)

[DMAVS41]

Don't get me wrong, I am okay to move him, just don't think we can.
I can see Kyrie as a temporary solution (to develop the young while still be competitive), I can see Kyrie as a star to attract another star player coming.. but I cannot see Ainge using him as a trade bait to lure another star because the complexity of execution.
Want to do is different from able to do.

This is very complicated to do.. having two players willing to switch places.
Maybe AD will come to Boston because of the big market and traditional great team, but who wants to go to NO???
It probably will involve a 3rd team to do the sign and trade.. and I don't think Ainge will put himself into this position (hands tied)

I'm not talking about moving Kyrie to the Pels.

I'm talking about moving him to a team he'd likely sign with...wherever that is....maybe it is the Knicks or Lakers...who knows where.

But, regardless, somebody would give up an asset for him.

Maybe a deal as simple as Frank, Kanter, and the 2 first rounders the Knicks just got from Dallas. I mean, you agree that is way better than just letting him walk...right? They'd get more than that in reality likely, but if Kyrie really doesn't matter long term like you say...why not do that?

[ronniec]

I'm not talking about moving Kyrie to the Pels.

I'm talking about moving him to a team he'd likely sign with...wherever that is....maybe it is the Knicks or Lakers...who knows where.

But, regardless, somebody would give up an asset for him.

Maybe a deal as simple as Frank, Kanter, and the 2 first rounders the Knicks just got from Dallas. I mean, you agree that is way better than just letting him walk...right? They'd get more than that in reality likely, but if Kyrie really doesn't matter long term like you say...why not do that?

The team already proved that they can have a strong playoff (not really contender still) without Kyrie, probably that is the reason why Ainge/Celtics are pretty low profile in the transfer market at this moment.
They are also playing the wait and see game.

Trade away Kyrie is one thing, but do we really need Frank and Kanter??
Having these 2 won't make us a contender.
If we do trade, make it a big one.
Rushing a trade is doing no good at this moment. In fact, we are no rush to trade away Kyrie just for the sake of making a trade.

My guess is, there are only 2 scenarios for the Celtics.
They either trade him for another star, OR they keep him and make a mega package to get another star.
It will not be status quo, keeping Kyrie and do nothing.
Ainge will make some moves to make us contender again, I can guarantee that.

We have a reason to stock up 4 first round picks.

[FireDavidKahn]

Listening to him actually speak it instead of just reading a quote makes it sound so much worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=CdmnCtEJx3I

[Gus Hemmingway]

Listening to him actually speak it instead of just reading a quote makes it sound so much worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=CdmnCtEJx3I
wow, He gone

[Knicksfever2010]

In July when Knick fans are told they are going to get Kyrie and KD (maybe even AD)

https://i.gifer.com/PNd.gif

[CelticBaller]

Listening to him actually speak it instead of just reading a quote makes it sound so much worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=CdmnCtEJx3I
No it isn

[bluechox2]

In July when Knick fans are told they are going to get Kyrie and KD (maybe even AD)

https://i.gifer.com/PNd.gif
:roll:

[bluechox2]

its time celtics start developing rozier who they can keep this summer and has played out of his mind when kyrie got injured....

[PeroAntic]

There is definitely behind the scenes collusion going on here with KD to the Knicks. The timing is uncanny.

However I don't see the point of him going from Lebron's 2nd option to KD's 2nd option. He has a chance to build his own legacy at Boston. His team almost got in the finals without him and his coach is probably the best in the business. It would be the wisest choice for him to stay if he wants to win a title as the man.

However, New York's appeal is undeniable.

[DMAVS41]

The team already proved that they can have a strong playoff (not really contender still) without Kyrie, probably that is the reason why Ainge/Celtics are pretty low profile in the transfer market at this moment.
They are also playing the wait and see game.

Trade away Kyrie is one thing, but do we really need Frank and Kanter??
Having these 2 won't make us a contender.
If we do trade, make it a big one.
Rushing a trade is doing no good at this moment. In fact, we are no rush to trade away Kyrie just for the sake of making a trade.

My guess is, there are only 2 scenarios for the Celtics.
They either trade him for another star, OR they keep him and make a mega package to get another star.
It will not be status quo, keeping Kyrie and do nothing.
Ainge will make some moves to make us contender again, I can guarantee that.

We have a reason to stock up 4 first round picks.

You can never have too many picks imo.

And Kanter would just make the salary work...and Frank is a cost controlled asset.

I'm just using that as a hypothetical.

I'm just not following you. You are essentially arguing that losing Kyrie doesn't matter, but then also saying you wouldn't care about turning Kyrie into two first round picks (which can be moved of course to get something else)...

:confusedshrug:

[ronniec]

You can never have too many picks imo.

And Kanter would just make the salary work...and Frank is a cost controlled asset.

I'm just using that as a hypothetical.

I'm just not following you. You are essentially arguing that losing Kyrie doesn't matter, but then also saying you wouldn't care about turning Kyrie into two first round picks (which can be moved of course to get something else)...

:confusedshrug:

When did I say I want two first round picks for Kyrie??????????
Please show me...

[Kblaze8855]

Im amazed people are upset at a lack of loyalty to of all people...Danny Ainge.

Danny Ainge has less loyalty than anyone. He told Red to trade Bird and Mchale off the Celtics for prospects(Detlef and Perkins for Mchale....Reggie and Smits for Bird). What did Red do instead? Traded Ainge. One of the only Celtic all stars to get traded for like 30 years. The Celtics From about 57 to Danny Ainge kept everyone till they retired other than I think Jojo White. Red shipped Danny out though.

I remember Ainge doing a sit down talking about how Red refusing to ship out Bird and Mchale opened his eyes to how loyalty could hurt a team. Thats why hes ruthless. He doesnt care you came back for playoff game when your baby sister just died. You can geeeeeeeet out. Ainge shipped out every celtic to ever play an all star game under him so far. He traded Antione Walker, Pierce, KG, Rondo, IT...

Well not Ray. And he has not had a chance to deal Horford and Kyrie...but he will when he feels it makes sense.

And its fine. Do whats best for the team....but dont expect the players to show more loyalty than you.

[CelticBaller]

Im amazed people are upset at a lack of loyalty to of all people...Danny Ainge.

Danny Ainge has less loyalty than anyone. He told Red to trade Bird and Mchale off the Celtics for prospects(Detlef and Perkins for Mchale....Reggie and Smits for Bird). What did Red do instead? Traded Ainge. One of the only Celtic all stars to get traded for like 30 years. The Celtics From about 57 to Danny Ainge kept everyone till they retired other than I think Jojo White. Red shipped Danny out though.

I remember Ainge doing a sit down talking about how Red refusing to ship out Bird and Mchale opened his eyes to how loyalty could hurt a team. Thats why hes ruthless. He doesnt care you came back for playoff game when your baby sister just died. You can geeeeeeeet out. Ainge shipped out every celtic to ever play an all star game under him so far. He traded Antione Walker, Pierce, KG, Rondo, IT...

Well not Ray. And he has not had a chance to deal Horford and Kyrie...but he will when he feels it makes sense.

And its fine. Do whats best for the team....but dont expect the players to show more loyalty than you.
who the hell is talking about loyalty?

[DMAVS41]

When did I say I want two first round picks for Kyrie??????????
Please show me...

We aren't communicating. Let me try to clear it up;

If you don't think having Kyrie on the Celtics matters...why would you not jump at the chance to turn him into assets that do like draft picks?

[DMAVS41]

Im amazed people are upset at a lack of loyalty to of all people...Danny Ainge.

Danny Ainge has less loyalty than anyone. He told Red to trade Bird and Mchale off the Celtics for prospects(Detlef and Perkins for Mchale....Reggie and Smits for Bird). What did Red do instead? Traded Ainge. One of the only Celtic all stars to get traded for like 30 years. The Celtics From about 57 to Danny Ainge kept everyone till they retired other than I think Jojo White. Red shipped Danny out though.

I remember Ainge doing a sit down talking about how Red refusing to ship out Bird and Mchale opened his eyes to how loyalty could hurt a team. Thats why hes ruthless. He doesnt care you came back for playoff game when your baby sister just died. You can geeeeeeeet out. Ainge shipped out every celtic to ever play an all star game under him so far. He traded Antione Walker, Pierce, KG, Rondo, IT...

Well not Ray. And he has not had a chance to deal Horford and Kyrie...but he will when he feels it makes sense.

And its fine. Do whats best for the team....but dont expect the players to show more loyalty than you.

Could not agree more and maybe I'm missing something, but I haven't heard much talk of player loyalty from where I am.

But, Ainge / Celtics getting screwed by Kyrie does have quite a bit of poetry to it.

[Kblaze8855]

who the hell is talking about loyalty?

More a general issue with him saying he doesn