Why is violence and hatred advocated against white people that love themselves?

[stalkerforlife]

Watching this new alt-right documentary on Netflix and violence is encouraged against whites that love themselves and their culture.

Richard Spencer is called a white supremacist when he has NEVER advocated for ruling over any other race; he is a white SEPARATIST, NOT a supremacist.

What's wrong with wanting to he around your own? Every other race in the world does it and we don't bat an eye. I see other races incessantly advocating doing business with and living among their own.

A sad time to be white in America; the baby boomers sold us up the river. We need a peaceful ethnic cleansing to continue the greatness our people has bestowed upon the world. We have to keep fighting against these "racist" and "supremacist" labels we're inflicted with just for loving our own people.

If we have to separate, so be it; they won't allow us to love ourselves, so it may be our only choice.

[Loco 50]

One of ISH's more clever trolls now dumpster diving.

Sad times. :(

[stalkerforlife]

One of ISH's more clever trolls now dumpster diving.

Sad times. :(

See what I mean?

If you're white and you love your people and culture, you're "dumpster diving."

Yikes.

[CelticBaller]

Richard Bertrand Spencer (born May 11, 1978)[1] is an American white supremacist.[2] He is president of the National Policy Institute (NPI), a white supremacist think tank, as well as Washington Summit Publishers. Spencer rejects the label of white supremacist and considers himself a white nationalist, white identitarian, and the equivalent of a "Zionist" for white people.[3][4][5][6] Spencer created the term "alt-right", which he considers a movement about "white identity".[7][8][9] Spencer advocates white-European unity and a "peaceful ethnic cleansing" of nonwhites from America, and the creation of a new political order he believes would resemble the Roman Empire.[10][11][12]

sure he's not a racist

[kennethgriffen]

i am proud to be white

i am proud to be a man

and i am proud to be straight

i love my life and don't feel a shred of guilt



now..

i also respect most good black people

i also respect most honorable females

and i also believe what 2 consenting adults do is their business and nobody elses


but society would have you believe i'm a racist ignorant bigot based of my first 4 opinions. why? because liberals are toxic agenda driven NPC brainwashed cucks that have destroyed the moral fabric of america

[Akrazotile]

Watching this new alt-right documentary on Netflix and violence is encouraged against whites that love themselves and their culture.

Richard Spencer is called a white supremacist when he has NEVER advocated for ruling over any other race; he is a white SEPARATIST, NOT a supremacist.

What's wrong with wanting to he around your own? Every other race in the world does it and we don't bat an eye. I see other races incessantly advocating doing business with and living among their own.

A sad time to be white in America; the baby boomers sold us up the river. We need a peaceful ethnic cleansing to continue the greatness our people has bestowed upon the world. We have to keep fighting against these "racist" and "supremacist" labels we're inflicted with just for loving our own people.

If we have to separate, so be it; they won't allow us to live ourselves, so it may he our only choice.


Well, white people who vote democrat and cry for diversity do separate themselves. It's called White Flight. They move the hell away from minority communities just as fast as they can.

Yet even as they do so, they want to be heard talking about diversity, tolerance etc and anything that's considered hip, progressive, enlightened and so on. Basically anything that goes against "yesterday's" wisdom. In hipster culture, contrarian is king. Movies are "so bad they're good." Ironically wearing a sideways cap with a tie and suspenders is cool, because it's not how previous generations dressed. Absurd hair colors and so on.

Sometimes new trends and ideas have merit, sometimes they dont. But merit isn't what dictates what is accepted in hipster culture. It's simple, blanket contrarianism to what "used to be" the norm.

They don't actually care about minorities, as we can clearly see from their residential habits, absence of volunteer work, etc. But since people yesterday were racist, today has to be diversity, or else liberals dont feel like they're part of the smart, cool, progressive group or something. You can talk with people like bladefd, ItsMillerTime, etc. and it's just stunning to realize they're simply repeating words like a robot programmed to act human. They don't even realize themselves they don't make sense. They're just repeating some kind of inculcated programming on a loop. That's where the phrase NPC comes from. And it's so damn true. They don't even understand what utterly programmed robots they actually come off as.

It's also why they like to have marches and demonstrations with the mob, rather than debates with people of other views. They know deep down their views arent founded on any tangible form of logic. It's just petty, self-serving groupthink that they believe projects an aura of distinction and sophistication. The reason they are the ones most in need of such delusions is obvious. They're actually the biggest nerds out there.

[Akrazotile]

See what I mean?

If you're white and you love your people and culture, you're "dumpster diving."

Yikes.


He's another of the ilk I described in my post.

He's like a guy who practices and practices and practices cello, so that he can perform other composer's songs. And he can perform them to the tee.

But ask him to compose something of his own? You'll get an error message. He won't even understand what you're asking. He'll repeat something he's already said, even though it's not relevant to the request you're now now making. Ask him to play an original, he'll think for a moment, and then play Beethoven.

[stalkerforlife]

Richard Bertrand Spencer (born May 11, 1978)[1] is an American white supremacist.[2] He is president of the National Policy Institute (NPI), a white supremacist think tank, as well as Washington Summit Publishers. Spencer rejects the label of white supremacist and considers himself a white nationalist, white identitarian, and the equivalent of a "Zionist" for white people.[3][4][5][6] Spencer created the term "alt-right", which he considers a movement about "white identity".[7][8][9] Spencer advocates white-European unity and a "peaceful ethnic cleansing" of nonwhites from America, and the creation of a new political order he believes would resemble the Roman Empire.[10][11][12]

sure he's not a racist

That's not racist at all.

And Wikipedia is a horrible source, seeing as they immediately label him a supremacist falsely.

Wikipedia is literally made by complete randoms like you and me.

I'm sure you don't care if the white race is disintegrated, but some of us do.

[Akrazotile]

i am proud to be white

i am proud to be a man

and i am proud to be straight

i love my life and don't feel a shred of guilt



now..

i also respect most good black people

i also respect most honorable females

and i also believe what 2 consenting adults do is their business and nobody elses


but society would have you believe i'm a racist ignorant bigot based of my first 4 opinions. why? because liberals are toxic agenda driven NPC brainwashed cucks that have destroyed the moral fabric of america


Damn.

On point.

[stalkerforlife]

Well, white people who vote democrat and cry for diversity do separate themselves. It's called White Flight. They move the hell away from minority communities just as fast as they can.

Yet even as they do so, they want to be heard talking about diversity, tolerance etc and anything that's considered hip, progressive, enlightened and so on. Basically anything that goes against "yesterday's" wisdom. In hipster culture, contrarian is king. Movies are "so bad they're good." Ironically wearing a sideways cap with a tie and suspenders is cool, because it's not how previous generations dressed. Absurd hair colors and so on.

Sometimes new trends and ideas have merit, sometimes they dont. But merit isn't what dictates what is accepted in hipster culture. It's simple, blanket contrarianism to what "used to be" the norm.

They don't actually care about minorities, as we can clearly see from their residential habits, absence of volunteer work, etc. But since people yesterday were racist, today has to be diversity, or else liberals dont feel like they're part of the smart, cool, progressive group or something. You can talk with people like bladefd, ItsMillerTime, etc. and it's just stunning to realize they're simply repeating words like a robot programmed to act human. They don't even realize themselves they don't make sense. They're just repeating some kind of inculcated programming on a loop. That's where the phrase NPC comes from. And it's so damn true. They don't even understand what utterly programmed robots they actually come off as.

It's also why they like to have marches and demonstrations with the mob, rather than debates with people of other views. They know deep down their views arent founded on any tangible form of logic. It's just petty, self-serving groupthink that they believe projects an aura of distinction and sophistication. The reason they are the ones most in need of such delusions is obvious. They're actually the biggest nerds out there.

Brilliantly stated.

I think you'd be a great political speaker because you're willing to tell the truth and you have the charisma, but you'd have to constantly be concerned with your safety.

It's a scary propsition to put the truth out there with large audiences.

[Loco 50]

See what I mean?

If you're white and you love your people and culture, you're "dumpster diving."

Yikes.
Biracial. Love my people and love both my cultures.

Have big enough nuts to speak truth.

You do your thing, just saying this schtick isn't as good as most your other stuff.

[Loco 50]

Well, white people who vote democrat and cry for diversity do separate themselves. It's called White Flight. They move the hell away from minority communities just as fast as they can.

Yet even as they do so, they want to be heard talking about diversity, tolerance etc and anything that's considered hip, progressive, enlightened and so on. Basically anything that goes against "yesterday's" wisdom. In hipster culture, contrarian is king. Movies are "so bad they're good." Ironically wearing a sideways cap with a tie and suspenders is cool, because it's not how previous generations dressed. Absurd hair colors and so on.

Sometimes new trends and ideas have merit, sometimes they dont. But merit isn't what dictates what is accepted in hipster culture. It's simple, blanket contrarianism to what "used to be" the norm.

They don't actually care about minorities, as we can clearly see from their residential habits, absence of volunteer work, etc. But since people yesterday were racist, today has to be diversity, or else liberals dont feel like they're part of the smart, cool, progressive group or something. You can talk with people like bladefd, ItsMillerTime, etc. and it's just stunning to realize they're simply repeating words like a robot programmed to act human. They don't even realize themselves they don't make sense. They're just repeating some kind of inculcated programming on a loop. That's where the phrase NPC comes from. And it's so damn true. They don't even understand what utterly programmed robots they actually come off as.

It's also why they like to have marches and demonstrations with the mob, rather than debates with people of other views. They know deep down their views arent founded on any tangible form of logic. It's just petty, self-serving groupthink that they believe projects an aura of distinction and sophistication. The reason they are the ones most in need of such delusions is obvious. They're actually the biggest nerds out there.
:oldlol:

[Loco 50]

Brilliantly stated.

I think you'd be a great political speaker because you're willing to tell the truth and you have the charisma, but you'd have to constantly be concerned with your safety.

It's a scary propsition to put the truth out there with large audiences.
:applause: Back on track.

[stalkerforlife]

Biracial. Love my people and love both my cultures.

Have big enough nuts to speak truth.

You do your thing, just saying this schtick isn't as good as most your other stuff.

A white person standing up for their people is now a "shtick" and "dumpster diving."

How can you tell the truth if you can't even handle it?

[Loco 50]

i am proud to be white

i am proud to be a man

and i am proud to be straight

i love my life and don't feel a shred of guilt



now..

i also respect most good black people

i also respect most honorable females

and i also believe what 2 consenting adults do is their business and nobody elses

:applause:



but society would have you believe i'm a racist ignorant bigot based of my first 4 opinions. why? because liberals are toxic agenda driven NPC brainwashed cucks that have destroyed the moral fabric of america
Society doesn't believe that. Sounds like a juevo deficiency. Man up.

[Loco 50]

A white person standing up for their people is now a "shtick" and "dumpster diving."

How can you tell the truth if you can't even handle it?
Give me some more truth stalk. I can handle it. Promise.

[Prometheus]

We deserve it. I am happy for other races to humiliate us.

It's just like when my younger step sister used to humiliate me. I probably deserved it too.

If I can only figure out why

[SixShooter]

Communism.

Complete communism of society(it was not Marx who originated the idea, but who popularized the term) is a struggle that has been going on to enslave humanity since around 10,000 BC.

To put it as brief as possible, Communism is the complete domination of society by a miniscule elite who possess all of the societies $$$/power and want the common people to have as little rights as possible only existing to serve that same elite. Think of North Korea or the USSR where the people are starving and sent to gulags for going against the state while the people running it are all fat ****s and have everything.

They want that to be everywhere. That is why they work tirelessly to take away freedom of speech and the right to bear arms in the United States. The United States is the only thing left in their way and if it falls the World is doomed. They want the US to collapse so they can use China(who is a communist nation) as their new world military power. Right now China is trying to build a super highway from China to everywhere else including Europe. Its also for military transport. Stalin tried to the same highway across Europe in the 1930's for the same reason the war he was planning in 1941.

Now this may seem off-topic since the thread is about violence and hatred against whites being encouraged. Here is where this plays in..... The people playing this communist game are nearly all jewish... and white people choosing national socialism over phony internationalist socialism/marxism is the #1 threat to stopping them. in modern times they saw what a guy like Hitler was capable of. They do not want any Hitlers to be born. If white people are gone/extinct they will sleep a lot better at night ruling over hordes of mixed brown serfs with no allegiance to anything except modern pop culture that they control and make $$ off of. They are leveling America/Europe down to embrace a Marxist revolt. And the migrant flood into Europe like into America is to provide the Marxist goons of the future. Most illegal migrants into America are converted into Communist ideology or come from nations already with Communist ideology. This is why they are allowed to come in and live on Welfare to provide the future army of the Marxist revolt. The highly intelligent migrants in America are sent to Marxist universities and trained to organize the migrant populations and illegal and other minority populations into Marxist fronts for the coming Marxist revolution in Europe and America. Any of these minorities that go against this are ostrasized with terms such as "uncle tom".

When civil war comes what will in the end happen if the America Red Army gains the upper hand far enough then Red Army troops from China and Cuba with land on American soil to aid the American Red Army in the civil war. This follows the traditional model of Marxist take overs around the world. Marxism is a globalist struggle and ideology. These forces like in the Russian civil war will be funded and aided by the global bankers. And with their control over China the entire military resources of a superpower.

If you are one of the previously described marxist indoctrinated minorities who thinks life without whitey would be paradise think again... There's a reason you or your parents choose to live in the United States/Europe over the USSR , North Korea, China, Sharia Law or a similar complete communist shithole. if your an average person and can get out....you do.

[jstern]

I've never heard anyone advocating violence and hatred against whites, unless maybe it was a moranic racist. But you probably seek out such news on a daily basis, so you have a tainted reality that is not the norm.

Also people who obsess about race, who latch on strongly to whatever race they happen to be. Or to a gang for that matter, are probably, more than likely, extremely insecure people. Latching on gives them a purpose, something to be a part of, a cause to die for that gives them meaning. ISIS members also fit that personality type.

[Akrazotile]

Communism.

Complete communism of society(it was not Marx who originated the idea, but who popularized the term) is a struggle that has been going on to enslave humanity since around 10,000 BC.

To put it as brief as possible, Communism is the complete domination of society by a miniscule elite who possess all of the societies $$$/power and want the common people to have as little rights as possible only existing to serve that same elite. Think of North Korea or the USSR where the people are starving and sent to gulags for going against the state while the people running it are all fat ****s and have everything.

They want that to be everywhere. That is why they work tirelessly to take away freedom of speech and the right to bear arms in the United States. The United States is the only thing left in their way and if it falls the World is doomed. They want the US to collapse so they can use China(who is a communist nation) as their new world military power. Right now China is trying to build a super highway from China to everywhere else including Europe. Its also for military transport. Stalin tried to the same highway across Europe in the 1930's for the same reason the war he was planning in 1941.

Now this may seem off-topic since the thread is about violence and hatred against whites being encouraged. Here is where this plays in..... The people playing this communist game are nearly all jewish... and white people choosing national socialism over phony internationalist socialism/marxism is the #1 threat to stopping them. in modern times they saw what a guy like Hitler was capable of. They do not want any Hitlers to be born. If white people are gone/extinct they will sleep a lot better at night ruling over hordes of mixed brown serfs with no allegiance to anything except modern pop culture that they control and make $$ off of. They are leveling America/Europe down to embrace a Marxist revolt. And the migrant flood into Europe like into America is to provide the Marxist goons of the future. Most illegal migrants into America are converted into Communist ideology or come from nations already with Communist ideology. This is why they are allowed to come in and live on Welfare to provide the future army of the Marxist revolt. The highly intelligent migrants in America are sent to Marxist universities and trained to organize the migrant populations and illegal and other minority populations into Marxist fronts for the coming Marxist revolution in Europe and America. Any of these minorities that go against this are ostrasized with terms such as "uncle tom".

When civil war comes what will in the end happen if the America Red Army gains the upper hand far enough then Red Army troops from China and Cuba with land on American soil to aid the American Red Army in the civil war. This follows the traditional model of Marxist take overs around the world. Marxism is a globalist struggle and ideology. These forces like in the Russian civil war will be funded and aided by the global bankers. And with their control over China the entire military resources of a superpower.

If you are one of the previously described marxist indoctrinated minorities who thinks life without whitey would be paradise think again... There's a reason you or your parents choose to live in the United States/Europe over the USSR , North Korea, China, Sharia Law or a similar complete communist shithole. if your an average person and can get out....you do.


It has nothing to do with being jewish. It has everything to do with protecting/expanding wealth. That's universal. What, Roman emperors didn't subjugate their citizens? The British monarchy didn't feast off its poor? The french monarchy wasn't abusve af?

Is the corrupt Bush family jewish? No. Are the corrupt Saudi royal families jewish? No. Are corrupt Chinese government officials jewish? No.

Jews, for a variety of historical circumstances, have a disproportionate number of individuals who are wealthy. And just like individuals from other groups, many try to protect their wealth in shady ways. But jews as a collective do not have any one specific agenda. FACT. Most religious jews don't even like secular jews. In fact most religious jews in America vote republican/conservative. While many secular jews grow up in big cities, go to sjw universities, and as a result, have kooky social/economic views. But it's not a conspiracy. It's a difference in regional culture. Even the vast majority of jews aren't wealthy multimillionaires, and they're not (intentionally) trying to make Soros richer. Many of them happen to be suckers who do so inadvertently, just like the rest of the left. Actually, Soros helps push the same foreign migrant shit in Israel as he does in America. Israeli conservatives hate that scumbag. I guarantee you he is not doing anything with the idea of any jewish collective in mind. He's strictly pushing his own slimy, personally self-serving agenda.

It's great to be pro freedom, pro democracy, pro American, anti-radical migration. I'm with you on all those things, as are many jews in fact, rich or otherwise. But you're doing yourself and your own values a disservice when you take something as complicated, multi-factored, and hard to untangle as the global socio-economic dynamic, and boil it down to "jews fault." You're looking for a simple, easy scapegoat, when in fact the answers to these issues are not simple and easy. And people who would otherwise completely agree with you on many general ideas, end up inclined to distance themselves from you because of that rhetoric.

Why not just blame the specific individuals who do shady stuff? Is that more tedious, more work, more complicated to keep tabs on who's doing what? Is it just "easier" to blame one group and absolve everyone else? If you dont wanna do the mental legwork, I've got news for you, you'll always get ripped off and owned, whether jews are around or not. If you wanna be that lazy, someone is going to take advantage.

[Lakers Legend#32]

I'm white. I'm ashamed of my race.
By the way, what's the name of this Netflix documentary?

[Akrazotile]

I'm white. I'm ashamed of my race.
By the way, what's the name of this Netflix documentary?


It probably goes without saying, but clearly the feeling is mutual.

[Kblaze8855]

As I said recently youre essentially just posting the toned down public image KKK rhetoric they use to get people to join before finding out what really gets said at the meetings.




http://pichost.org/images/2019/02/02/4228233_091218-wpvi-kkk-flyers-11pm-video-CC-vid.jpg


http://pichost.org/images/2019/02/02/Jews_Behind_Race_Mixing.jpg




http://pichost.org/images/2019/02/02/5751b43746dbd.image.jpg




Klan propaganda is pretty much bullet points of most of your recent posts right down to the jews helping blacks to marginalize whites nonsense.

[dude77]

I'm white. I'm ashamed of my race.
By the way, what's the name of this Netflix documentary?

:lol

oh look .. laker legend, who hates trump(a man who stands up for himself), is a self hating eunuch .. surprise surprise

[kennethgriffen]

As I said recently youre essentially just posting the toned down public image KKK rhetoric they use to get people to join before finding out what really gets said at the meetings.




http://pichost.org/images/2019/02/02/4228233_091218-wpvi-kkk-flyers-11pm-video-CC-vid.jpg


http://pichost.org/images/2019/02/02/Jews_Behind_Race_Mixing.jpg




http://pichost.org/images/2019/02/02/5751b43746dbd.image.jpg




Klan propaganda is pretty much bullet points of most of your recent posts right down to the jews helping blacks to marginalize whites nonsense.


i think you're more racist for insinuating that only hidden KKK members can be proud of their white heritage


you're kind of brainwashed huh?


you know that not all white people were slave owners. some white people were slaves themselves


i'm part irish. where's our reparations for what happened to our people

why doesn't the world bend over for us out of guilt

why can't i blame every problem i've faced in life for what the british did to my ancestors


why can't i force the notre dame fighting irish to change their racist logo


why are only blacks and natives getting all the hand outs and sympathy


my native tongue of gaelic was robbed from me. where is the justice?

[Nanners]

i dont really understand why anyone (white or black or any other color) would be "proud" of their heritage. a human has zero influence over their heritage, the heritage you are born with is the heritage you will have for the rest of your life, regardless of how great or crappy of a person you are.

the things that make me proud are my actual achievements, like the fact that i have a difficult advanced degree, or the fact that i have done well enough in life to buy a house and provide food/shelter for others, or the fact that me and my SO have built a wonderful family... if you are truly "proud" about the genetics you won by some kind of random cosmic lottery, you probably havent ever achieved anything worthy of pride through your own actions.

[kennethgriffen]

i dont really understand why anyone (white or black or any other color) would be "proud" of their heritage. a human has zero influence over their heritage, the heritage you are born with is the heritage you will have for the rest of your life, regardless of how great or crappy of a person you are.

i am proud of my actual achievements, like the fact that i have a difficult advanced degree, or the fact that i have done well enough in life to buy a house and provide food/shelter for others, or the fact that me and my SO have built a wonderful family... if you are truly "proud" about your genetics you have probably achieved nothing worthy of pride by your own actions.


i'm proud of my heritage because it lasted billions of years prior to the dawn of man. back to when we were just a "little pond of goo"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLyqTtrhUJE



think of how fragile life is and how long people have been killing each other. and your blood line survived it all.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/287374326/figure/fig2/AS:308583414681609@1450583427453/Timeline-for-history-of-life-on-Earth.png




we go back as far as life on planet earth. you earliest grandparent was a protein that dates back as far as 2.4 billion years


and not once did any of your ancestors fail to stay alive and procreate. thats something to be proud of

[Nanners]

i'm proud of my heritage because it lasted 100,000 years and prior to the dawn of man. back to when we were just a "little pond of goo"

we go back as far as life on planet earth. you earliest grandparent was a protein that dates back as far as 2.4 billion years


and not once did any of your ancestors fail to stay alive and procreate. thats something to be proud of

So every living being should be proud of the simple fact that their ancestors made it possible for them to exist? You can say this about any living creature on this planet...

I dont think that the rise of humanity from a "little pond of goo" was what you were talking about when you said this about pride a few minutes ago


i think you're more racist for insinuating that only hidden KKK members can be proud of their white heritage

[stalkerforlife]

As I said recently youre essentially just posting the toned down public image KKK rhetoric they use to get people to join before finding out what really gets said at the meetings.




http://pichost.org/images/2019/02/02/4228233_091218-wpvi-kkk-flyers-11pm-video-CC-vid.jpg


http://pichost.org/images/2019/02/02/Jews_Behind_Race_Mixing.jpg




http://pichost.org/images/2019/02/02/5751b43746dbd.image.jpg




Klan propaganda is pretty much bullet points of most of your recent posts right down to the jews helping blacks to marginalize whites nonsense.

I literally pointed out exactly what your people do and you did it.

:roll:

You're a sick f uck.

[Kblaze8855]

Just funny to me to see the new klan propaganda from people talking about how non racist they are.

I don

[kennethgriffen]

So every living being should be proud of the simple fact that their ancestors made it possible for them to exist? You can say this about any living creature on this planet...

I dont think that the rise of humanity from a "little pond of goo" was what you were talking about when you said this about pride a few minutes ago


do you have any idea how many battles your ancestors fought in and survived. you're a resilient intelligent creature. be proud of who you are. don't let the liberal media tell you what to think

[kennethgriffen]

Just funny to me to see the new klan propaganda from people talking about how non racist they are.

I don’t know what happened in you dudes lives but it’s just all racist bullshit all the time and it wasn’t that way till maybe a year ago. A little maybe but this shit is really out of hand.

There are forums for this kind of nonsense. This isn’t it.


you're the 3rd most racist person on ISH IMO


and i don't care if you've advocated for jerry west in the past


i've conversed with you enough to get a general idea


you calling people klan members for being proud of their ancestry is worthy of being reported/banned

but i can't report a moderator so whatever

[Nanners]

do you have any idea how many battles your ancestors fought in and survived. you're a resilient intelligent creature. be proud of who you are. don't let the liberal media tell you what to think

i am proud of my own achievements, not the achievements of some ancient ancestor

[kennethgriffen]

i am proud of my own achievements, not the achievements of some ancient ancestor


every single race alive today should be proud of who they are and where they came from


even the most extreme muslim. who are we to tell them how to live. if neither side can get along we fight it out and to the victor goes the spoil. only the strong survive. alpha dogs live on


this is the circle of life. the animal kingdom. dog eat dog. we divide and conquer


why should the white man feel ashamed of anything they've done to try and progress their people. there are no "good guys"

anyone in power would do the same. this has been proven throughout history. in order for you to be proud of who you are you must first accept who you are as a living being


you're flawed. you're not meant to be perfect. you're just meant to survive

[Kblaze8855]

My only interactions with the klan are verbal. To be specific...what they said at the Anderson flea market in South Carolina back in the day. It was pretty much word for word the shit in here. Blacks getting handouts....the Jews....”Why can’t I want to love and preserve the white race?” shit while the normal white people walked by ashamed or booed them.

White people are as annoyed by this nonsense as anyone. You wouldn’t know since you are in Canada but in the south the loudest opponents of the klan are often the normal white people who know it reflects poorly on their people.

Black people walk by the moron in a hood talking about white love not hate and ignore them. White people gather around to boo. These days where it’s more rare they come out in the full outfits everyone goes crazy but I’m talking back in the day when they would be out all the time. We just started to ignore them.

White people would go take their pamphlets that read exactly like the OP and rip them up in their face. It really is the same public message. Go read their propaganda. Tell me I’m not telling the truth. The klan isn’t gonna say they hate anyone in public.

And yes....at some point this bullshit is bannable. Always has been. The only perma bans Jeff seems to hand out not are to people who won’t stop with the racist garbage. I’ve never done any long ban for you types....but it seems ISH in general does. Talking shit about race all the time and nonsense about Jews....yea. Tends to get you gone.

This is a site owned by a Jewish guy who loves the nba. This it’s the place for Jew blaming nonsense and shit about the blacks? There are places for that.

[Nanners]

why should the white man feel ashamed of anything they've done to try and progress their people. there are no "good guys"

anyone in power would do the same. this has been proven throughout history. in order for you to be proud of who you are you must first accept who you are as a living being


you're flawed. you're not meant to be perfect. you're just meant to survive

White men shouldnt feel ashamed. Being ashamed of your heritage is just as absurd as being proud of it. I am a white man and I definitely dont feel shame about the stuff that other white men have done... why should I?

Anyway, I am proud of who I am, but not because of the actions of my ancestors... because of my own actions.

[kennethgriffen]

White men shouldnt feel ashamed. Being ashamed of your heritage is just as absurd as being proud of it. I am a white man and I definitely dont feel shame about the stuff that other white men have done... why should I?

Anyway, I am proud of who I am, but not because of the actions of my ancestors... because of my own actions.


you are a product of your parents. they are a product of their parents. and so on. you are shaped and moulded by your ancestors. your emotions, thought process, basic instincts, inherited dna, inherited genetic memory that gives people artistic ability, fighting ability etc... are reasons to be proud of who you are and where you came from.


maybe you just don't have any qualities and hate yourself for other reasons. its ok.

https://media.giphy.com/media/11a7MCVHtL1nxu/giphy-facebook_s.jpg

[Nanners]

you are a product of your parents. they are a product of their parents. and so on. you are shaped and moulded by your ancestors.

i suppose your ancestors must have been stupid as shit :oldlol:

[kennethgriffen]

i suppose your ancestors must have been stupid as shit :oldlol:


great comeback grandpa

[Prometheus]

Communism.

Complete communism of society(it was not Marx who originated the idea, but who popularized the term) is a struggle that has been going on to enslave humanity since around 10,000 BC.

To put it as brief as possible, Communism is the complete domination of society by a miniscule elite who possess all of the societies $$$/power and want the common people to have as little rights as possible only existing to serve that same elite. Think of North Korea or the USSR where the people are starving and sent to gulags for going against the state while the people running it are all fat ****s and have everything.

They want that to be everywhere. That is why they work tirelessly to take away freedom of speech and the right to bear arms in the United States. The United States is the only thing left in their way and if it falls the World is doomed. They want the US to collapse so they can use China(who is a communist nation) as their new world military power. Right now China is trying to build a super highway from China to everywhere else including Europe. Its also for military transport. Stalin tried to the same highway across Europe in the 1930's for the same reason the war he was planning in 1941.

Now this may seem off-topic since the thread is about violence and hatred against whites being encouraged. Here is where this plays in..... The people playing this communist game are nearly all jewish... and white people choosing national socialism over phony internationalist socialism/marxism is the #1 threat to stopping them. in modern times they saw what a guy like Hitler was capable of. They do not want any Hitlers to be born. If white people are gone/extinct they will sleep a lot better at night ruling over hordes of mixed brown serfs with no allegiance to anything except modern pop culture that they control and make $$ off of. They are leveling America/Europe down to embrace a Marxist revolt. And the migrant flood into Europe like into America is to provide the Marxist goons of the future. Most illegal migrants into America are converted into Communist ideology or come from nations already with Communist ideology. This is why they are allowed to come in and live on Welfare to provide the future army of the Marxist revolt. The highly intelligent migrants in America are sent to Marxist universities and trained to organize the migrant populations and illegal and other minority populations into Marxist fronts for the coming Marxist revolution in Europe and America. Any of these minorities that go against this are ostrasized with terms such as "uncle tom".

When civil war comes what will in the end happen if the America Red Army gains the upper hand far enough then Red Army troops from China and Cuba with land on American soil to aid the American Red Army in the civil war. This follows the traditional model of Marxist take overs around the world. Marxism is a globalist struggle and ideology. These forces like in the Russian civil war will be funded and aided by the global bankers. And with their control over China the entire military resources of a superpower.

If you are one of the previously described marxist indoctrinated minorities who thinks life without whitey would be paradise think again... There's a reason you or your parents choose to live in the United States/Europe over the USSR , North Korea, China, Sharia Law or a similar complete communist shithole. if your an average person and can get out....you do.

Insidehoops

A great place to talk basketball

Or to summarize the views of Adolf Hitler and endorse them non-sarcastically

:facepalm

You should go to Volgograd and kiss the feet of the Motherland Calls statue

[stalkerforlife]

It probably goes without saying, but clearly the feeling is mutual.

:roll: :applause:

[stalkerforlife]

you're the 3rd most racist person on ISH IMO


and i don't care if you've advocated for jerry west in the past


i've conversed with you enough to get a general idea


you calling people klan members for being proud of their ancestry is worthy of being reported/banned

but i can't report a moderator so whatever

He literally did exactly what I said people like him do.

He's definitely one of the most racist people on here.

[stalkerforlife]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Just funny to me to see the new klan propaganda from people talking about how non racist they are.

I don

[Prometheus]

How isn't this the forum? "Off the court lounge" implies anything not basketball related.

Rename the forum "Only shit I want to talk about" if that's what we're doing here.

:lol

[Kblaze8855]

You make a post that

[dude77]

you're the 3rd most racist person on ISH IMO


and i don't care if you've advocated for jerry west in the past


i've conversed with you enough to get a general idea


you calling people klan members for being proud of their ancestry is worthy of being reported/banned

but i can't report a moderator so whatever

this is exactly how it goes in every message board or any discussion about this stuff .. you think kblaze is calling some black guy 'racist' for talking about 'black pride blah blah' ? any racist pro black militant group talks about shit like that 'black pride' .. no one ever talks about that association but 'white pride' is always included in there when calling out white racists .. you guys are slick but not that slick .. don't feel good about yourself .. feel guilty about yourself .. they want whites to completely submit and then destroy themselves .. then you won't be called 'racist'

[kennethgriffen]

this is exactly how it goes in every message board or any discussion about this stuff .. you think kblaze is calling some black guy 'racist' for talking about 'black pride blah blah' ? any racist pro black militant group talks about shit like that 'black pride' .. no one ever talks about that association but 'white pride' is always included in there when calling out white racists .. you guys are slick but not that slick .. don't feel good about yourself .. feel guilty about yourself .. they want whites to completely submit and then destroy themselves .. then you won't be called 'racist'


these are true american black people that i fully respect. they have far more courage and intelligence than blm racist npc sheep


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWam9FSRvGI

[Kblaze8855]

this is exactly how it goes in every message board or any discussion about this stuff

Thats...how it goes anywhere.

Go down to the mall and start this discussion out front. It will be mostly white people shutting it down as always. Most white people want nothing to do with this.

Im not speaking hypothetically. This topic is near word for word what the actual KKK would be saying in Anderson SC at the Flea market. And trying to find a picture of them there I stumbled on this article:


Black Panther star Chadwick Boseman saw the KKK gatherings firsthand as he drove home to visit his family in South Carolina.

“When I was shooting Black Panther in Atlanta, I used to drive back on off-days to go see my family in Anderson. It’s about two hours,” he told Mr. Porter.

“And I would see the Klan holding rallies in a Walmart car park,”

I forgot he was from here.

Also came across one on an Anderson city council member being exposed as a former Klansman and admitting to it when proof leaked.

Im not talking shit I saw on TV. I stood there and heard Klan members pretty much make this topic verbally.

What do you think the Klan says in person in public? That they hate ******s?

Its always a bunch of fake christians talking about love and a need to protect white childrens future and not to hate anyone....but you can barely hear them over other normal white people booing.

This topic...is the Klan public message.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfntD7vLW0w


"I am not a racist". "Why cant I love whites? You get to love your people!" is exactly what the Klan says when you see them in public. Im talking about shit I saw from 5 feet away. Not something on TV.

I didnt come up with it now. This is a post of mine from 4 years ago:



I had a very polite conversation with a Klansman in Anderson south Carolina once that you really reminded me of there.

His whole thing...at least because he was talking to me...who knows what he says in private...wasnt being racist. It was trying to keep his culture what it is. He was upset that whites are the only group that cant say they love their people. He was upset about mixing....wanted everyone to stay what they were. Not just for whites sake...but for everyone.

The differences make them all unique. It was as pleasant a conversation as a black guy could have at a flea market surrounded by white people who were kinda embarrased to be seen near the Klan.

Im not calling you a bigot...im just saying you really REALLY took me back to my one extended experience with the Klan.

I stood there and talked to him. I read his little pamphlet...

These views in here are in fact....what the Klan says in public. We supposed to be all about the truth. Im telling it to you. I said it years ago before this was written. Its Klan bullet points. Its diet Klan to get people through the door to the real meetings. Kinda like how Richard Spencer keeps it toned down in public but gets to a real meeting and its:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk


"Hail Trump!" and a crowd of people giving Nazi salutes and referencing Joseph Goebbels Nazi propaganda catchphrases.

All of it is just so weird to me.

[kennethgriffen]

kblaze comes across as a black israelite TBH


https://i.ibb.co/Ss2sHgB/Screen-Shot-2019-02-02-at-1-50-09-PM.png

:lol

[Kblaze8855]

Thats what we call a "Hotep" in the normal black person community. I know 2 of them well. Dont see them often but I did come up with them.

If you knew them...or really anything about the subject when you talk about America...you would know this would be a very different conversation if one were involved.

These are the types who call black people who vote uncle toms.

[kennethgriffen]

Thats what we call a "Hotep" in the normal black person community. I know 2 of them well. Dont see them often but I did come up with them.

If you knew them...or really anything about the subject when you talk about America...you would know this would be a very different conversation if one were involved.

These are the types who call black people who vote uncle toms.


you hate anyone that thinks for themselves and doesn't fall under your designated classification of what is acceptable according to your NPC liberal brainwashed logic

[Kblaze8855]

Racist types calling other people hateful has been the way of things for some time now. There is the tiki torch crowd talking about white pride then the great majority of people...whites included...wondering whats wrong with you. Black white....democrat republican....most people are gonna be ashamed to be associated with this shit. And if you types would stop acting like people who dont go along with it are just liberal...perhaps there wouldnt be so many people who associate being conservative with being racist.

[dude77]

Racist types calling other people hateful has been the way of things for some time now. There is the tiki torch crowd talking about white pride then the great majority of people...whites included...wondering whats wrong with you. Black white....democrat republican....most people are gonna be ashamed to be associated with this shit. And if you types would stop acting like people who dont go along with it are just liberal...perhaps there wouldnt be so many people who associate being conservative with being racist.


so .. are we supposed to be ashamed of all those other groups shouting 'pride this pride that' or does this just apply to whitey ?

[Kblaze8855]

Case by case.

I facepalm when I see the 5% nation talking about white people being created in a lab by a giant headed scientist called Yaccub.

Feel whatever you want. But the many white protesters who would show up to drown out your speech are free to feel what they want as well. And quite a few of them would be republican.

[Smoke117]

https://i.imgflip.com/1co6zu.jpg

[Lakers Legend#32]

Very Klan friendly topic.

[kennethgriffen]

so .. are we supposed to be ashamed of all those other groups shouting 'pride this pride that' or does this just apply to whitey ?



this ^


theres gay pride

feminist pride

black pride


but nobody can have white straight male pride. we have to feel a constant state of guilt, shame, check our privilege, erase parts of our history that trigger other groups of people. we cant voice our opinion or displeasure of any of this and if we do we're spouting kkk rhetoric


its people like kblaze are 100% responsible for donald trump being president of the united states. its the only way to say "f*ck you"


the hat is a big middle finger to liberals of all colors and creed. we hate all of you equally. its not racism, sexism or discrimination against a gender identity or sex life.. its a discrimination against the constant bullshit those assclowns put white straight men through on a daily basis

[tpols]

Racist types calling other people hateful has been the way of things for some time now. There is the tiki torch crowd talking about white pride then the great majority of people...whites included...wondering whats wrong with you. Black white....democrat republican....most people are gonna be ashamed to be associated with this shit. And if you types would stop acting like people who dont go along with it are just liberal...perhaps there wouldnt be so many people who associate being conservative with being racist.


maybe out in public when theyre putting up a front for society... if you heard the convos at the dinner table itd be different.

[Kblaze8855]

63 million of 200+ million registered voters voted for Trump. 70+ million voted for someone else. Clinton this time and Obama twice got more votes than Trump. In 2018 Democrats got more votes in the midterms by the widest margin any party did since Nixon killed republicans with Watergate.

Feel free to keep thinking some kind of shift towards the Richard Spencer’s of the world really happened though.

America moves away from you types more and more. It’s just a matter of time till the demographics make it very hard for a far right type to win(not that trump is...but he pretends to be).

It’s gonna be 90s Clinton type centrists who may cloak themselves in red and AOC types in blue fighting it out by 2040.

[AlternativeAcc.]

maybe out in public when theyre putting up a front for society... if you heard the convos at the dinner table itd be different.
Do you realize how incredibly racist it is to assume white people are the only ones who talk about other races in a negative light at the dinner table. (or behind closed doors in general)?

This is exactly what you're implying. Which is insanely racist. And delusional. And speaks to why you're such a loser in life.

[kennethgriffen]

63 million of 200+ million registered voters voted for Trump. 70+ million voted for someone else. Clinton this time and Obama twice got more votes than Trump. In 2018 Democrats got more votes in the midterms by the widest margin any party did since Nixon killed republicans with Watergate.

Feel free to keep thinking some kind of shift towards the Richard Spencer’s of the world really happened though.

America moves away from you types more and more. It’s just a matter of time till the demographics make it very hard for a far right type to win(not that trump is...but he pretends to be).

It’s gonna be 90s Clinton type centrists who may cloak themselves in red and AOC types in blue fighting it out by 2040.


the reason theres an electoral college is to avoid NPC cuck states like california from swinging every election.. obama actually publically advocated for illegals to vote

liberals have no shame or sense of decency and fairness whatsoever


when they lose they cry foul and b*tch about a system put in place that got obama elected 2 terms in a row... where was all the crying about an electoral college back then?


and i think the sensicuck culture will blow up and people will return back to the no ****s given era.. its a cycle


40s and 50s were up tight
60s, 70s and 80s were loose and free
90s and half the 00s was normal and balanced
2010s are up tight again
midway through the 2020s people will rebel against the oppressive culture and it'll be the 60s all over again

[tpols]

Do you realize how incredibly racist it is to assume white people are the only ones who talk about other races in a negative light at the dinner table. (or behind closed doors in general)?

This is exactly what you're implying. Which is insanely racist. And delusional. And speaks to why you're such a loser in life.



cry me a river cupcake.

[Kblaze8855]

the reason theres an electoral college is to avoid NPC cuck states like california from swinging every election.. obama actually publically advocated for illegals to vote

liberals have no shame or sense of decency and fairness whatsoever


when they lose they cry foul and b*tch about a system put in place that got obama elected 2 terms in a row... where was all the crying about an electoral college back then?


Obama got waaaay more votes than McCain or Romney. Bush in 2000, Trump, and a couple republicans after the civil war are the only ones to win with less votes.

Obama not only won he took enough of Congress with him to get 60 seats in the Senate and have the house which is why Obama didn’t have trouble passing his massive bill but Trump couldn’t get it repealed. If you have 60 votes in the Senate and the house to go with it the other side has to sit down and shut up. Obama had huge momentum initially and on top of it a republican senator switched parties.

60% control of the senate will rarely last for long these days but when it happens you know there was a serious change in power. Trump was able to squeak by. If he were as popular as you seem to think from outside the country he would have taken enough seats with him in Congress to not need democratic support.

If enough people were behind Trump like people were initially behind Obama everything he wanted would’ve gotten done right out of the gate. Wall would have taken 45 minutes. That’s the difference between a country coming behind you for a blowout and a passionate few getting you the win at the buzzer.

[Kblaze8855]

the reason theres an electoral college is to avoid NPC cuck states like california from swinging every election.. obama actually publically advocated for illegals to vote

liberals have no shame or sense of decency and fairness whatsoever


when they lose they cry foul and b*tch about a system put in place that got obama elected 2 terms in a row... where was all the crying about an electoral college back then?


Obama got waaaay more votes than McCain or Romney. Bush in 2000, Trump, and a couple republicans after the civil war are the only ones to win with less votes. 04 Bush is the only republican to win the popular vote in 30 years.

Obama not only won he took enough of Congress with him to get 60 seats in the Senate and have the house which is why Obama didn

[Cleverness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OnWnwwxNPA&feature=youtu.be&t=1m23s


i dont really understand why anyone (white or black or any other color) would be "proud" of their heritage. a human has zero influence over their heritage, the heritage you are born with is the heritage you will have for the rest of your life, regardless of how great or crappy of a person you are.

the things that make me proud are my actual achievements, like the fact that i have a difficult advanced degree, or the fact that i have done well enough in life to buy a house and provide food/shelter for others, or the fact that me and my SO have built a wonderful family... if you are truly "proud" about the genetics you won by some kind of random cosmic lottery, you probably havent ever achieved anything worthy of pride through your own actions.

This

[kennethgriffen]

the oppressive up tight 50s didnt last

neither will the oppressive up tight 2010s

republicans are now the counter culture. theyre the rebellious group of freedom fighters

trump is our john lennon. he represents freedom of choice. freedom of thought. no shame. be free and happy. have pride in yourself.

trump 2020 here we come

:applause:

[Akrazotile]

or the fact that i have done well enough in life to buy a house and provide food/shelter for others, or the fact that me and my SO have built a wonderful family... if you are truly "proud" about the genetics you won by some kind of random cosmic lottery, you probably havent ever achieved anything worthy of pride through your own actions.


I knew it :roll: :roll: :roll:



"Significant other" :lol


We hear ya, brother. Hear ya loud and clear.

Good for you. Get your pride on :applause:

[tpols]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Obama got waaaay more votes than McCain or Romney. Bush in 2000, Trump, and a couple republicans after the civil war are the only ones to win with less votes.

Obama not only won he took enough of Congress with him to get 60 seats in the Senate and have the house which is why Obama didn

[Kblaze8855]

I was fairly happy when my friend who had breast cancer and couldn

[Ben Simmons 25]

Why didn't she have insurance before she was diagnosed with breast cancer?

[Akrazotile]

I was fairly happy when my friend who had breast cancer and couldn’t get coverage she could afford after the diagnosis was suddenly able to get it and you know live....without going into crippling debt even.

What were you looking for? He was steal six votes shy in the senate from a large enough majority to modify the constitution(even if he got the house and then states to ratify).

There are limits.


That was passed in the first year or two, right?

What about the other 6+...?

He literally ran on a campaign slogan of “CHANGE.”

You just said he was far more popular and powerful than Trump.

What else done changed?

[stalkerforlife]

I voted for Obama, but I don't recall a time in my life that our country has been more divided than when he was president.

Everything seemingly became about race.

I never thought about race like this until Obama and his media started the 'white man is bad' rhetoric and how everyone else suffers at the hands of the white man.

Trump winning was white people being sick of the shit.

Hopefully he wins again, but I think the white cuck vote will be hard to overcome; blacks, gays, and feminists are expert manipulators and they've taken the souls of so many whites.

[Ben Simmons 25]

Obama's public stances towards police did more to divide the country as it pertains to racial relations than any president in my lifetime.

As a result of his stances and media narrative obsession, police departments nationwide are seeing drastically reduced recruiting numbers and reduced retention. People don't want to be police when they're constantly being labeled as pieces of shit and as a result one bad situation where they have to make a tough call away from a lifetime of overwhelming hell from the media and twitter fiends despite usually being 100% justified and then some in their actions.

Trump has continued on the same path of division, but mainly because the media is obsessed with nailing him and he was slow to denounce some of his racist supporters only simply because Trump loves anyone who supports him. Travel bans? Racist. Southern wall? Racist. Charlottesville? Trump's fault... lol, it never ends... everything he does is perceived as racist.

Hopefully we get a president next go round that the media will be forced to turn away from in terms of race baiting obsession but I'm skeptical at this point. They eat that shit up.

[Cleverness]

I voted for Obama, but I don't recall a time in my life that our country has been more divided than when he was president.

Everything seemingly became about race.

I never thought about race like this until Obama and his media started the 'white man is bad' rhetoric and how everyone else suffers at the hands of the white man.

Trump winning was white people being sick of the shit.

Hopefully he wins again, but I think the white cuck vote will be hard to overcome; blacks, gays, and feminists are expert manipulators and they've taken the souls of so many whites.

The left controls the mainstream media, entertainment industry, and education. They focus too much on identity politics, such as race and gender, which causes division. They believe in endless special treatment for certain groups. They're becoming the party of capitalist elites while the Rs are more universalist/populist.

[Hawker]

Obama's public stances towards police did more to divide the country as it pertains to racial relations than any president in my lifetime.

As a result of his stances and media narrative obsession, police departments nationwide are seeing drastically reduced recruiting numbers and reduced retention. People don't want to be police when they're constantly being labeled as pieces of shit and as a result one bad situation where they have to make a tough call away from a lifetime of overwhelming hell from the media and twitter fiends despite usually being 100% justified and then some in their actions.

Trump has continued on the same path of division, but mainly because the media is obsessed with nailing him and he was slow to denounce some of his racist supporters only simply because Trump loves anyone who supports him. Travel bans? Racist. Southern wall? Racist. Charlottesville? Trump's fault... lol, it never ends... everything he does is perceived as racist.

Hopefully we get a president next go round that the media will be forced to turn away from in terms of race baiting obsession but I'm skeptical at this point. They eat that shit up.

Especially after the Michael Brown incident as well..I bet the majority of Americans still believe the "hands up dont shoot" narrative and that he was shot in the back. All of that was proven to be false.

[Loco 50]

Especially after the Michael Brown incident as well..I bet the majority of Americans still believe the "hands up dont shoot" narrative and that he was shot in the back. All of that was proven to be false.
Link to the true story, please.

[stalkerforlife]

Obama's public stances towards police did more to divide the country as it pertains to racial relations than any president in my lifetime.

As a result of his stances and media narrative obsession, police departments nationwide are seeing drastically reduced recruiting numbers and reduced retention. People don't want to be police when they're constantly being labeled as pieces of shit and as a result one bad situation where they have to make a tough call away from a lifetime of overwhelming hell from the media and twitter fiends despite usually being 100% justified and then some in their actions.

Trump has continued on the same path of division, but mainly because the media is obsessed with nailing him and he was slow to denounce some of his racist supporters only simply because Trump loves anyone who supports him. Travel bans? Racist. Southern wall? Racist. Charlottesville? Trump's fault... lol, it never ends... everything he does is perceived as racist.

Hopefully we get a president next go round that the media will be forced to turn away from in terms of race baiting obsession but I'm skeptical at this point. They eat that shit up.

Dude, one of the craziest interactions with cops I have ever seen happened right here at my apartment complex.

There was a huge argument among blacks here and when the cops arrived, the blacks were saying things like "F uck you, cop. What you gonna do, shoot me? You're a bitch. You ain't gonna do shit."

And the cops literally did NOTHING as this group was disturbing everyone with their arguing and fighting.

They belittled these cops incessantly and the cops left because they were so afraid of being fired.

[lilteapot]

Watching this new alt-right documentary on Netflix and violence is encouraged against whites that love themselves and their culture.

Richard Spencer is called a white supremacist when he has NEVER advocated for ruling over any other race; he is a white SEPARATIST, NOT a supremacist.

What's wrong with wanting to he around your own? Every other race in the world does it and we don't bat an eye. I see other races incessantly advocating doing business with and living among their own.

A sad time to be white in America; the baby boomers sold us up the river. We need a peaceful ethnic cleansing to continue the greatness our people has bestowed upon the world. We have to keep fighting against these "racist" and "supremacist" labels we're inflicted with just for loving our own people.

If we have to separate, so be it; they won't allow us to love ourselves, so it may be our only choice.

Good Lord you are a moron.

You realize you are essentially begging for the Jim Crow laws to be reinstated?

[stalkerforlife]

Good Lord you are a moron.

You realize you are essentially begging for the Jim Crow laws to be reinstated?

No, i'm not.

I am proposing living separately if the blacks, gays, and feminists keep blaming white people for all their issues.

If we live separately, they have their own parts of the country and we have our own parts.

If we don't interact, we can't be blamed anymore.

This SHOULD make them extremely happy and successful.

White people have proven they are the greatest society engineers in the world, so I have a suspicious feeling that things may not work out as they expect.

[Ben Simmons 25]

Dude, one of the craziest interactions with cops I have ever seen happened right here at my apartment complex.

There was a huge argument among blacks here and when the cops arrived, the blacks were saying things like "F uck you, cop. What you gonna do, shoot me? You're a bitch. You ain't gonna do shit."

And the cops literally did NOTHING as this group was disturbing everyone with their arguing and fighting.

They belittled these cops incessantly and the cops left because they were so afraid of being fired.

I believe it... my friend is a cop and he's straight up told me a lot of the people he knows in law enforcement are straight up afraid to do their jobs in certain instances because if anything happens, justified or not, there's a strong chance they're absolutely ****ed.

[Hawker]

Link to the true story, please.

https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdf


After the initial shooting inside the SUV, the evidence establishes that Brown ran
eastbound on Canfield Drive and Wilson chased after him. The autopsy results confirm that
Wilson did not shoot Brown in the back as he was running away because there were no entrance
wounds to Brown’s back. - page 7


The autopsy established that Brown did not sustain gunshot wounds to his back - Page 20


28 The media has widely reported that there is witness testimony that Brown said “don’t shoot” as
he held his hands above his head. In fact, our investigation did not reveal any eyewitness who
stated that Brown said “don’t shoot.” - page 83


Although there are several individuals who have stated that Brown held his hands up in
an unambiguous sign of surrender prior to Wilson shooting him dead, their accounts do not
support a prosecution of Wilson. As detailed throughout this report, some of those accounts are
inaccurate because they are inconsistent with the physical and forensic evidence; some of those
accounts are materially inconsistent with that witness’s own prior statements with no
explanation, credible for otherwise, as to why those accounts changed over time. Certain other
witnesses who originally stated Brown had his hands up in surrender recanted their original
accounts, admitting that they did not witness the shooting or parts of it, despite what they
initially reported either to federal or local law enforcement or to the media. Prosecutors did not
rely on those accounts when making a prosecutive decision. - page 8



She was interviewed one time by FBI agents
during their canvass on August 16, 2014, and gave an account that generally corroborated
Wilson, but only after she was confronted with untruthful statements she initially made in an
effort to avoid neighborhood backlash. When local authorities tried to serve Witness 113 with a
subpoena to testify before the county grand jury, she blockaded her door with a couch to avoid
service.


Witness 113 stated that Wilson fired shots into
Brown’s back as he lay flat on his stomach on the ground. When the FBI told Witness 113 that
the autopsy results and other evidence were inconsistent with her account, she admitted that she lied. She explained to the FBI that, “You’ve gotta live the life to know it,” and stated that she
feared offering an account contrary to the narrative reported by the media that Brown held his
hands up in surrender. - page 33

Pretty interesting to be honest...I remember reading this because I was skeptical about it all and couldn't believe that so many people were being irresponsible in the reporting of this incident and it just inflamed unnecessary racial division in the US.

Go through the thread on ISH. You won't find any of the posters who claimed it was a racist incident creating a thread when this report came out admitting they were wrong.

[tpols]

No, i'm not.

I am proposing living separately if the blacks, gays, and feminists keep blaming white people for all their issues.

If we live separately, they have their own parts of the country and we have our own parts.

If we don't interact, we can't be blamed anymore.

This SHOULD make them extremely happy and successful.

White people have proven they are the greatest society engineers in the world, so I have a suspicious feeling that things may not work out as they expect.


i hope you realize this is a logistical impossibility.

[SixShooter]

Obama's public stances towards police did more to divide the country as it pertains to racial relations than any president in my lifetime. As a result, police departments nationwide are seeing drastically reduced recruiting numbers and reduced retention. People don't want to be police when they're constantly being labeled as pieces of shit and as a result one bad situation where they have to make a tough call away from a lifetime of overwhelming hell from the media and twitter fiends despite usually being 100% justified and then some in their actions.

Trump has continued on the same path of division, but mainly because the media is obsessed with nailing him and he was slow to denounce some of his racist supporters only simply because Trump loves anyone who supports him. Travel bans? Racist. Southern wall? Racist. Charlottesville? Trump's fault... lol, it never ends... everything he does is perceived as racist.

Hopefully we get a president next go round that the media will be forced to turn away from in terms of race baiting obsession but I'm skeptical at this point. They eat that shit up.

The Obama presidency is when the identify politics, everything being about race/gender/sexual orientation really took off.

The truth is America wasn't falling nearly as fast as they would have liked. It was still far too strong. They had to accelerate things. During the Obama presidency the media went into overdrive pitting various groups drawn on racial lines especially against one another. the 2008 economic crash and the Protest Wall Street movement were both orchestrated at this time by the communists and funded by the Rothchilds, Rockefellers, and Soros. It was an attempt at an uprising.

Enter the present day and their plans have backfired yet again. They went into the 2016 election with the first openly Marxist candidate with a serious chance, Bernie Sanders. Yet had another blunder putting Hillary in over him and her awful campaign in general. The Democratic party now instead of being discreet about being anti-white, were now openly anti-white. Another blunder. They lost a lot of the white working class that have been the historical backbone of that party. They were so bold to think that there were enough minorities brainwashed by anti-white narratives and self-hating white cuckold types that they could still win while shitting on a large majority of people who voted for them in the past. Trump winning was an open statement by the people that they were fed up with the obvious horseshit they were being fed and a huge fail by them. Now, they are trying to use Trump as a trigger to get people to orchestrate around and start another uprising.

Looking more into the media and their power/desire to accelerate things. Note the "Alt-Right" which is given an insane amount of attention by the media for being such a small movement. They are literal nobodies with no power. The more highprofile of them professional agents who mix fact with fluff to misdirect people. The reason and plan here is to create the sides for the coming civil war and revolution, race wars that must occur to cause the total break up of America and its downfall as a world power. This will allow the Oligarchs out of Moscow and China to then take over the rest of Europe by subversion from within and without. Without America, NATO is meaningless and Russia will easily dominate European affairs on the political and economic level. From this take over they want to extend their influence with Communist China which they also control into one global super power that will allow the elites to create a global Communist world order with in which the average person has a low life expectancy, lives in poverty, has no free time, and exists solely to work for them.

[SixShooter]

No, i'm not.

I am proposing living separately if the blacks, gays, and feminists keep blaming white people for all their issues.

If we live separately, they have their own parts of the country and we have our own parts.

If we don't interact, we can't be blamed anymore.

This SHOULD make them extremely happy and successful.

White people have proven they are the greatest society engineers in the world, so I have a suspicious feeling that things may not work out as they expect.

This is what almost every competent "nationalist" thinks and wants. I don't think I've ever seen a white person yelling about bringing back slavery and extermination other than maybe some kid on Xbox just being edgy and trying to get a rise out of people. you do have complete retards such as the Black Israelites. I see those dudes downtown every day with megaphones advocating for mass rape of white women, enslavement of whites, how they are "the true jews/chosen people who shall rule over all". Of course since they are black this is considered perfectly acceptable behavior in modern society and noone acts like this is out of the norm...

Marcus Garvey(the top black leader of the 20th century) and Malcolm X both wanted the same thing, self-determination for their people and sought through the lies/deceit of the communist organizations that use blacks pretending that they actually have their best interests at heart. The American blacks should have their own segment of the country in which they are given the opportunity to govern themselves.

[sd3035]

Only read the title but I'll explain

Libtard retards have run out of things to pretend to be mad about so it's their last hope

The problem is that whites aren't a minority yet so they made their move too soon

[kennethgriffen]

I was fairly happy when my friend who had breast cancer and couldn’t get coverage she could afford after the diagnosis was suddenly able to get it and you know live....without going into crippling debt even.

What were you looking for? He was steal six votes shy in the senate from a large enough majority to modify the constitution(even if he got the house and then states to ratify).

There are limits.


you sound like a wannabe canadian.. our communist healthcare sucks balls cause of socialism


i can't even get approved for surgery to fix my back that i tore 6 years ago. they just refer me to physiotherapy that I HAVE TO pay for


i haven't bent over without pain ever since.


they only approved me for surgery when i needed my gallbladder taken out.


i also have an ankle that i have to crack/snap 100 times a day. can't get surgery. i run and the tendon bulges out on the side of my leg. ultra sound was inconclusive.


we don't have experts. we have shitty clinical nurses doing most of the shit. they don't know anything.


you might see a doctor for 1-2 minutes when you're dying in pain. thats after waiting 2-3 hours



the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. health insurance and good doctors is much better and if your friend didn't have health insurance then thats on her TBH. thats the price of living in a truly free country

[Loco 50]

Pretty interesting to be honest...I remember reading this because I was skeptical about it all and couldn't believe that so many people were being irresponsible in the reporting of this incident and it just inflamed unnecessary racial division in the US.

Go through the thread on ISH. You won't find any of the posters who claimed it was a racist incident creating a thread when this report came out admitting they were wrong.
Yes, interesting. Thank you for sharing. Media folk have a nasty habit of wanting a story to turn out a certain way instead of letting it play out sometimes.

They have their biases just like the rest of us, so I don't fully blame them, but they should be held at higher standards since they are in the position of informing the rest of us and situations like this erode confidence.

General rule of thumb I take is, remain skeptical of both sides (especially if an altercation occured) and realize the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

[Loco 50]

you sound like a wannabe canadian.. our communist healthcare sucks balls cause of socialism


i can't even get approved for surgery to fix my back that i tore 6 years ago. they just refer me to physiotherapy that I HAVE TO pay for


i haven't bent over without pain ever since.


they only approved me for surgery when i needed my gallbladder taken out.


i also have an ankle that i have to crack/snap 100 times a day. can't get surgery. i run and the tendon bulges out on the side of my leg. ultra sound was inconclusive.


we don't have experts. we have shitty clinical nurses doing most of the shit. they don't know anything.


you might see a doctor for 1-2 minutes when you're dying in pain. thats after waiting 2-3 hours



the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. health insurance and good doctors is much better and if your friend didn't have health insurance then thats on her TBH. thats the price of living in a truly free country
Your ignorance astounds.

The system is probably saving you from your own stupidity. Back surgery is never a guaranteed fix, matter of fact there is a fair chance of you coming out of it in worse shape, which is why the physio was prescribed.

Stop complaining and do it. You will feel better.

Also, the wait to see a doctor is hours here as well in any urban community unless you are dealing with an emergency. This is the fault of the AMA which bottlenecks the amount of available physicians.

As a bonus, if it is an emergency you run the risk of accumulating a life changing debt, whereas in Canada you will be taken care of.

As a double bonus, here in the states you are just as likely to be seen by a nurse practitioner or physician's assistant since they are cheaper for medical facilities to pay than doctors. All while charging essentially the same price and not even informing the patient that they're not being seen by a doc.

[kennethgriffen]

Your ignorance astounds.

The system is probably saving you from your own stupidity. Back surgery is never a guaranteed fix, matter of fact there is a fair chance of you coming out of it in worse shape, which is why the physio was prescribed.

Stop complaining and do it. You will feel better.

Also, the wait to see a doctor is hours here as well in any urban community unless you are dealing with an emergency. This is the fault of the AMA which bottlenecks the amount of available physicians.

As a bonus, if it is an emergency you run the risk of accumulating a life changing debt, whereas in Canada you will be taken care of.

As a double bonus, here in the states you are just as likely to be seen by a nurse practitioner or physician's assistant since they are cheaper for medical facilities to pay than doctors. All while charging essentially the same price and not even informing the patient that they're not being seen by a doc.


i tore a muscle off my hip bone retard


don't assume you know anything about my story. i need surgery f*ck face. no physio has helped. i'm in bed for 3 days after every game of basketball


i put my socks on with broken coat hangers sometimes


i would much rather have the ability to choose to have surgery and pay a bit if necessary for a better life going forward


this is the advantage of being wealthy in a truly free country with independent healthcare specialists


i live in a socialist shithole that gives all our land and money away to immigrants and deadbeat f@ggots.

[Loco 50]

i tore a muscle off my hip bone retard


don't assume you know anything about my story. i need surgery f*ck face. no physio has helped. i'm in bed for 3 days after every game of basketball


i put my socks on with broken coat hangers sometimes


i would much rather have the ability to choose to have surgery and pay a bit if necessary for a better life going forward


this is the advantage of being wealthy in a truly free country with independent healthcare specialists


i live in a socialist shithole that gives all our land and money away to immigrants and deadbeat f@ggots.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/15/politics/rand-paul-canada-surgery/index.html

You have privatized options as well. I'm sure you'd find an orthopedic specialist (they make a mint, they're there) if you looked around, but you have your reasons.

You cry about how much pain you're in, but continue to play ball on what you know is a torn muscle.

Can't cure stupid. Good luck anyway, despite your piss poor entitled attitude.

[kennethgriffen]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/15/politics/rand-paul-canada-surgery/index.html

You have privatized options as well. I'm sure you'd find an orthopedic specialist (they make a mint, they're there) if you looked around, but you have your reasons.

You cry about how much pain you're in, but continue to play ball on what you know is a torn muscle.

Can't cure stupid. Good luck anyway, despite your piss poor entitled attitude.


i'm not that rich dip shit


i said i wouldn't mind paying a bit extra for health insurance that can afford me better doctors. not 100 grand for surgery that only the elite 1% can afford



and yeah i should just sit on the couch and do nothing the rest of my life to avoid any pain

you're so f*cking smart. that will only cause more health problems dumba**

[Loco 50]

i'm not that rich dip shit


i said i wouldn't mind paying a bit extra for health insurance that can afford me better doctors. not 100 grand for surgery that only the elite 1% can afford



and yeah i should just sit on the couch and do nothing the rest of my life to avoid any pain

you're so f*cking smart. that will only cause more health problems dumba**
No. Do the physio.

[kennethgriffen]

No. Do the physio.


i did. it doesn't work. like i said already

:lol


it only aggravates the injury ... physiotherapy is for strengthening. how to i strengthen a torn muscle f*ckface

:roll:

[Loco 50]

i did. it doesn't work. like i said already

:lol


it only aggravates the injury ... physiotherapy is for strengthening. how to i strengthen a torn muscle f*ckface

:roll:
You continue the physio and strengthen the surrounding muscles. There are many supporting muscles in that region.

[kennethgriffen]

You continue the physio and strengthen the surrounding muscles. There are many supporting muscles in that region.


i'm not crippled. my surrounding muscles are fine. its the torn muscle that causes swelling that impinges upon nerves and vessels. the only way to get rid of it is to fix it with surgery or take constant trigger point pain injections


now shut the f*ck up moron

:lol

[Loco 50]

i'm not crippled. my surrounding muscles are fine. its the torn muscle that cause swelling that impinges upon nerves and vessels. the only way to get rid of it is to fix it with surgery or take constant trigger point pain injections


now shut the f*ck up moron

:lol
You strengthen the support muscles to take strain off the torn muscle so it swells less over time. The torn muscle atrophies (gets smaller) and becomes less of a problem with disuse.

You could always take a trip to the states and experience our coveted healthcare, but I'm sure there's another reason that's an impossibility.

Can't help someone that doesn't want to get better or follow instructions. Good luck.

[kennethgriffen]

You could always take a trip to the states and experience our coveted healthcare, but I'm sure there's another reason that's an impossibility.

Can't help someone that doesn't want to get better or follow instructions. Good luck.


i don't have 100 grand to blow on surgery nor can i cross the boarder due to my criminal record from a bar fight last year

again... stop talking about something you know nothing about

:no:


i said i could afford health insurance. i didn't say i was a multimillionaire

[Loco 50]

i don't have 100 grand to blow on surgery nor can i cross the boarder due to my criminal record from a bar fight last year

again... stop talking about something you know nothing about

:no:


i said i could afford health insurance. i didn't say i was a multimillionaire
This place does hip surgeries and I've linked the page.

https://www.cambiesurgery.com/sports-medicine/hip/

Doesn't require millions. General hip surgery for a tear runs under 12k here in the states. Full hip replacement 45k, which you obviously don't need but I checked to get a worst case scenario.

No reason for Canadian prices to be much different considering most people can just cross the border to get treatment.

Edit: Added prices according to the linked 2005 article. Won't be much worse today, should be cheaper.

https://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blogs/dr-brian-day-1-everything-you-need-to-know-about-him-and-his-legal-case-against-the-government-health-care-monopoly

[kennethgriffen]

This place does hip surgeries and I've linked the page.

https://www.cambiesurgery.com/sports-medicine/hip/

Doesn't require millions. General hip surgery for a tear runs under 12k here in the states. Full hip replacement 45k, which you obviously don't need but I checked to get a worst case scenario.

No reason for Canadian prices to be much different considering most people can just cross the border to get treatment.

Edit: Added prices according to the linked 2005 article. Won't be much worse today, should be cheaper.

https://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blogs/dr-brian-day-1-everything-you-need-to-know-about-him-and-his-legal-case-against-the-government-health-care-monopoly



in your attempt to look smart you totally bypassed the entire point of my original post on the subject


which was to prove that being canadian and having "free healthcare" inhibits
someone like me more than it helps


you just proved my point for me. so i have to get on a plane and fly to vancouver from ottawa. find a place to stay. pay 10s of thousands of dollars for surgery. have nobody around to look after me while i rehabilitate. then head back home and continue paying crazy amounts of taxes for this fancy f*cking free healthcare thats utterly worthless

:lol


did you know after my gallbladder was ripped out of me i was told to get up and leave the hospital less than half an hour after waking up cause they needed the bed ... they had 20-30 people stacked up in one room waiting

[Loco 50]

in your attempt to look smart you totally bypassed the entire point of my original post on the subject


which was to prove that being canadian and having "free healthcare" inhibits
someone like me more than it helps


you just proved my point for me. so i have to get on a plane and fly to vancouver from ottawa. find a place to stay. pay 10s of thousands of dollars for surgery. have nobody around to look after me while i rehabilitate. then head back home and continue paying crazy amounts of taxes for this fancy f*cking free healthcare thats utterly worthless

:lol


did you know after my gallbladder was ripped out of me i was told to get up and leave the hospital less than half an hour after waking up cause they needed the bed ... they had 20-30 people stacked up in one room waiting
The problem shifted in my eyes. I don't care about you bitching about the healthcare system. You said you had a problem.

Help is there if you want it. I'm not understanding why I'm spending my time trying to get you help and you're fighting it. It's absurd.

You fly in for procedure, stay overnight at a hotel. Ideally you have family/friends with you. You fly back home after the procedure and you rehab back at home.

Changing subjects to gall bladder surgeries. They are same day operations unless complications occur. Very minor usually, of course not in the patient's eyes, but it is what it is.

There should have been like 3 less than inch incisions on your abdomen that were stitched up and everything cauterized and stitched up inside. You were fine, and ready to go, but you do suffer from narcissism (by your own admission)so you probably felt like you needed more attention.

Gall bladders are also fairly short surgeries, but extremely common, so a bunch of patients are rounded up and operated on in assembly line fashion. Very common practice, and not unlike anything you'd see in a busy urban E.R. here in the states.

[kennethgriffen]

The problem shifted in my eyes. I don't care about you bitching about the healthcare system. You said you had a problem.

Help is there if you want it. I'm not understanding why I'm spending my time trying to get you help and you're fighting it. It's absurd.

You fly in for procedure, stay overnight at a hotel. Ideally you have family/friends with you. You fly back home after the procedure and you rehab back at home.

Changing subjects to gall bladder surgeries. They are same day operations unless complications occur. Very minor usually, of course not in the patient's eyes, but it is what it is.

There should have been like 3 less than inch incisions on your abdomen that were stitched up and everything cauterized and stitched up inside. You were fine, and ready to go, but you do suffer from narcissism (by your own admission)so you probably felt like you needed more attention.

Gall bladders are also fairly short surgeries, but extremely common, so a bunch of patients are rounded up and operated on in assembly line fashion. Very common practice, and not unlike anything you'd see in a busy urban E.R. here in the states.


way to shift the goal posts from defending kblaze and his friend dying because they didn't have socialized healthcare to wanting to lead me to the path of rejuvenation at any means possible


you're a real saint. thanks for all the tips. but you still lost the debate

:lol

[Loco 50]

way to shift the goal posts from defending kblaze and his friend dying because they didn't have socialized healthcare to wanting to lead me to the path of rejuvenation at any means possible


you're a real saint. thanks for all the tips. but you still lost the debate

:lol
You're welcome.

[stalkerforlife]

This is what almost every competent "nationalist" thinks and wants. I don't think I've ever seen a white person yelling about bringing back slavery and extermination other than maybe some kid on Xbox just being edgy and trying to get a rise out of people. you do have complete retards such as the Black Israelites. I see those dudes downtown every day with megaphones advocating for mass rape of white women, enslavement of whites, how they are "the true jews/chosen people who shall rule over all". Of course since they are black this is considered perfectly acceptable behavior in modern society and noone acts like this is out of the norm...

Marcus Garvey(the top black leader of the 20th century) and Malcolm X both wanted the same thing, self-determination for their people and sought through the lies/deceit of the communist organizations that use blacks pretending that they actually have their best interests at heart. The American blacks should have their own segment of the country in which they are given the opportunity to govern themselves.

Thanks for this and your other informed statements.

:applause:

It feels nice to know some people 'get it.'

[stalkerforlife]

Kenneth is right; that free Canadian healthcare is a sham.

What a damn joke.

[Smoke117]

Cuckfor life and Kenny had to be cucked by a black man at some point in their lives. All this unchecked aggression towards the Negros has to have a story.

[stalkerforlife]

Cuckfor life and Kenny had to be cucked by a black man at some point in their lives. All this unchecked aggression towards the Negros has to have a story.

We don't hate them.

They hate us.

You on the other hand hate yourself and everyone else. :lol

[kennethgriffen]

We don't hate them.

They hate us.

You on the other hand hate yourself and everyone else. :lol


yeah ive faced nothing but spiteful venomous distrust from black people over the years. i dont blame them though. theyre brainwashed by the liberal media

i'm a nice guy. very generous. if they want better fortune in life they should embrace the white man. i gave 50$ to a native woman once because she smiled and held out her hand as i walked by. a black person would have looked the other way and muttered a negative anti white remark to his friend

[Kblaze8855]

Ive actually taken homeless people in off the street and helped them get their shit together. Gobb used to **** with me about the homeless guy I found out was sleeping in one of my old cars one winter and helped him out. I got it from my grandma. She took in a homeless guy who is essentially family now. Ive been helping the poor since I was poor myself. I dont see what it has to do with anything in here though.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

yeah ive faced nothing but spiteful venomous distrust from black people over the years. i dont blame them though. theyre brainwashed by the liberal media

i'm a nice guy. very generous. if they want better fortune in life they should embrace the white man. i gave 50$ to a native woman once because she smiled and held out her hand as i walked by. a black person would have looked the other way and muttered a negative anti white remark to his friend

You believe you are a "nice" guy? I thought nice meant someone who wouldn't throw profanity at a guy (Loco_50) trying to help him or someone who wouldn't brag about their good deeds in public--but okay.

You think because they are "spiteful venomous and mistrustful" because of their brainwashing. Dude--TRY STEPPING INTO THEIR SHOES.

They can't even WALK ON THE STREETS without people thinking they are muggers. They couldn't even run without people making sick assumptions. They had their WHOLE CULTURE, IDENTITY, SPIRITUAL ROOTS, BEAUTY, LOVE, EVISCERATED on the boatride here and things only got a bit better.

and no Black people DO NOT NEED to "embrace" the white man for more "fortune in life". GET THAT FILTH OUT OF HERE KENNY. THEIR PROVISION and SUCCESS and SELF-WORTH IS DEPENDENT UPON GOD ALMIGHTY---NOT whitey's arbitrary criteria. But of course you and your ilk think you are god.

TYPICAL WHITEBOY TRYING TO REINFORCE THE massa-slave dynamic trying to depict himself as some NOBLE GIVER and the black man as needy. SHUT UP I AM NOT BUYING YOUR MANIPULATIVE RHETORIC.

EGYPT. NUBIA. ZULU. SUNDJATA OF MALI. MANSA MUSA. THE ETHIOPIAN EMPIRE. BILAL (RA). BANTU KINGDOM. GEORGE WASHINGTON CARVER. THOMAS SOWELL. MALCOLM X. FREDERICK DOUGLAS. HARRIET TUBMAN. MAYA ANGELOU. COUNTLESS EXAMPLES OF people rising from poor conditions and PROSPERING. And the sad part is I HAVE NOT EVEN TOUCHED THE ONES WHO AREN'T FAMOUS--but why would I SEEING AS HOW THEY WEREN'T EVEN ON MY HISTORY CURRICULUM GROWING UP.

Enormous athletic, intellectual, spiritual and creative potential in each brother--- simply remove the destructive things (drugs and rampant materialism and the self-hating) and growth will occur.

Black people are JUSTIFIED in their mistrust for white people and deservedly so. White people need to HUMBLE THEMSELVES and APOLOGIZE and follow THROUGH with their PROMISES.

Black people do NOT NEED WHITE PEOPLE. THEY ALREADY HAVE SUCCEEDED IN EMPIRES without them just fine HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO.

What Malcolm X did in a span of a few years is easily possible for the new generation.

They CAN DEVELOP AND AFRICA WILL ALSO RISE.

Inshallah.

[stalkerforlife]

You believe you are a "nice" guy? I thought nice meant someone who wouldn't throw profanity at a guy (Loco_50) trying to help him or someone who wouldn't brag about their good deeds in public--but okay.

You think because they are "spiteful venomous and mistrustful" because of their brainwashing. Dude--TRY STEPPING INTO THEIR SHOES.

They can't even WALK ON THE STREETS without people thinking they are muggers. They couldn't even run without people making sick assumptions. They had their WHOLE CULTURE, IDENTITY, SPIRITUAL ROOTS, BEAUTY, LOVE, EVISCERATED on the boatride here and things only got a bit better.

and no Black people DO NOT NEED to "embrace" the white man for more "fortune in life". GET THAT FILTH OUT OF HERE KENNY. THEIR PROVISION and SUCCESS and SELF-WORTH IS DEPENDENT UPON GOD ALMIGHTY---NOT whitey's arbitrary criteria. But of course you and your ilk think you are god.

TYPICAL WHITEBOY TRYING TO REINFORCE THE massa-slave dynamic trying to depict himself as some NOBLE GIVER and the black man as needy. SHUT UP I AM NOT BUYING YOUR MANIPULATIVE RHETORIC.

EGYPT. NUBIA. ZULU. SUNDJATA OF MALI. MANSA MUSA. THE ETHIOPIAN EMPIRE. BILAL (RA). BANTU KINGDOM. GEORGE WASHINGTON CARVER. THOMAS SOWELL. MALCOLM X. FREDERICK DOUGLAS. HARRIET TUBMAN. MAYA ANGELOU. COUNTLESS EXAMPLES OF people rising from poor conditions and PROSPERING. And the sad part is I HAVE NOT EVEN TOUCHED THE ONES WHO AREN'T FAMOUS--but why would I SEEING AS HOW THEY WEREN'T EVEN ON MY HISTORY CURRICULUM GROWING UP.

Enormous athletic, intellectual, spiritual and creative potential in each brother--- simply remove the destructive things (drugs and rampant materialism and the self-hating) and growth will occur.

Black people are JUSTIFIED in their mistrust for white people and deservedly so. White people need to HUMBLE THEMSELVES and APOLOGIZE and follow THROUGH with their PROMISES.

Black people do NOT NEED WHITE PEOPLE. THEY ALREADY HAVE SUCCEEDED IN EMPIRES without them just fine HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO.

What Malcolm X did in a span of a few years is easily possible for the new generation.

They CAN DEVELOP AND AFRICA WILL ALSO RISE.

Inshallah.

What?

:roll:

Black people are the most protected class in the United States of America.

There are literal laws that force hiring them even if others are more qualified.

There are scholarships just for being black.

Y'all cray cray.

Everything is there for the taking for black people.

[Hawker]

You believe you are a "nice" guy? I thought nice meant someone who wouldn't throw profanity at a guy (Loco_50) trying to help him or someone who wouldn't brag about their good deeds in public--but okay.

You think because they are "spiteful venomous and mistrustful" because of their brainwashing. Dude--TRY STEPPING INTO THEIR SHOES.

They can't even WALK ON THE STREETS without people thinking they are muggers. They couldn't even run without people making sick assumptions. They had their WHOLE CULTURE, IDENTITY, SPIRITUAL ROOTS, BEAUTY, LOVE, EVISCERATED on the boatride here and things only got a bit better.

and no Black people DO NOT NEED to "embrace" the white man for more "fortune in life". GET THAT FILTH OUT OF HERE KENNY. THEIR PROVISION and SUCCESS and SELF-WORTH IS DEPENDENT UPON GOD ALMIGHTY---NOT whitey's arbitrary criteria. But of course you and your ilk think you are god.

TYPICAL WHITEBOY TRYING TO REINFORCE THE massa-slave dynamic trying to depict himself as some NOBLE GIVER and the black man as needy. SHUT UP I AM NOT BUYING YOUR MANIPULATIVE RHETORIC.

EGYPT. NUBIA. ZULU. SUNDJATA OF MALI. MANSA MUSA. THE ETHIOPIAN EMPIRE. BILAL (RA). BANTU KINGDOM. GEORGE WASHINGTON CARVER. THOMAS SOWELL. MALCOLM X. FREDERICK DOUGLAS. HARRIET TUBMAN. MAYA ANGELOU. COUNTLESS EXAMPLES OF people rising from poor conditions and PROSPERING. And the sad part is I HAVE NOT EVEN TOUCHED THE ONES WHO AREN'T FAMOUS--but why would I SEEING AS HOW THEY WEREN'T EVEN ON MY HISTORY CURRICULUM GROWING UP.

Enormous athletic, intellectual, spiritual and creative potential in each brother--- simply remove the destructive things (drugs and rampant materialism and the self-hating) and growth will occur.

Black people are JUSTIFIED in their mistrust for white people and deservedly so. White people need to HUMBLE THEMSELVES and APOLOGIZE and follow THROUGH with their PROMISES.

Black people do NOT NEED WHITE PEOPLE. THEY ALREADY HAVE SUCCEEDED IN EMPIRES without them just fine HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO.

What Malcolm X did in a span of a few years is easily possible for the new generation.

They CAN DEVELOP AND AFRICA WILL ALSO RISE.

Inshallah.

Thomas Sowell is called an uncle tom by the black community and would disagree with a lot of this post. White people today are not responsible for past sins and don't need to apologize. That creates a victimhood narrative and goes against everything you've said they can do. "They don't need white people..." etc.

The only white people that depict white people as givers and black people as needys are white liberals with their soft bigotry of low expectations. There are studies that white liberals change the way they speak with minorities while conservatives don't as they treat them the same.

[Kblaze8855]

The only white people that depict white people as givers and black people as needys are white liberals with their soft bigotry of low expectations.

Read post 107.

[kennethgriffen]

You believe you are a "nice" guy? I thought nice meant someone who wouldn't throw profanity at a guy (Loco_50) trying to help him




this is the first thing he said to me


Your ignorance astounds.


which basically translates to "you don't know anything."


which is why i obliterated him

i'm a nice guy to people that are nice to me



you telling people they're going to hell is also very insulting and is the reason i mocked your prophet muhammad



what you don't realize is that i stand up for myself.. something a religious person is incapable of because they can't think for themselves

[Loco 50]

this is the first thing he said to me




which basically translates to "you don't know anything."


which is why i obliterated him

i'm a nice guy to people that are nice to me



you telling people they're going to hell is also very insulting and is the reason i mocked your prophet muhammad



what you don't realize is that i stand up for myself.. something a religious person is incapable of because they can't think for themselves
Odd, I recollect giving guidance on both the American healthcare system and Canadian healthcare system on that morning, but I guess I was mistaken.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmInkxbvlCs

Congrats on your obliteration, sir.

[kennethgriffen]

Odd, I recollect giving guidance on both the American healthcare system and Canadian healthcare system on that morning, but I guess I was mistaken.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmInkxbvlCs

Congrats on your obliteration, sir.


your ignorance astounds


:lol





the point of my post was to expose the canadian healthcare system as a joke.


it wasn't for you to find me an expensive way around it on the other side of the map. i just showed how free healthcare isn't worth a damn and it might as well be privatized so people can save their tax dollars and get better treatment



and you only helped prove my point by suggesting i seek treatment in vancouver for 10's of thousands of dollars

[Nanners]

The US has the most expensive healthcare in the world by far, yet compared to other developed nations it ranks near the bottom on almost every healthcare metric. The amenable mortality rate (deaths that could be prevented by timely health treatment) in the US is the highest of any developed country on the planet, and our infant mortality rate is embarassing lagging behind countries like Latvia and Cuba.



and you only helped prove my point by suggesting i seek treatment in vancouver for 10's of thousands of dollars

If you cant afford treatment in Canada then you damn sure cant afford it in the US

[kennethgriffen]

The US has the most expensive healthcare in the world by far, yet compared to other developed nations it ranks near the bottom on almost every healthcare metric. The amenable mortality rate (deaths that could be prevented by timely health treatment) in the US is the highest of any developed country on the planet, and our infant mortality rate is embarassing lagging behind countries like Latvia and Cuba.



If you cant afford treatment in Canada then you damn sure cant afford it in the US


the point isn't weather i can afford it. i can. well up to a certain point. anything over 100 grand would take multiple years to save up for

the point is why should i even have to consider that option if socialized free healthcare is in place. whats the point of paying such high taxes if its not worth a damn

[Nanners]

the point isn't weather i can afford it. i can. well up to a certain point. anything over 100 grand would take multiple years to save up for

the point is why should i even have to consider that option if socialized free healthcare is in place. whats the point of paying such high taxes if its not worth a damn

Whats the point of americans paying such high insurance premiums if its not worth a damn?

In Canada healthcare costs $4.8k per capita, in the US its $10.2k. Its literally twice as expensive here and yet somehow we rank worse on almost every quality metric.

[kennethgriffen]

Whats the point of americans paying such high insurance premiums if its not worth a damn?


i'm sure theres flaws in the american healthcare system as well. but not nearly as many as up here


theres much better specialists in the united states. all the best canadian surgeons go to the states for work.


my uncle's a doctor and has worked in the US since the early 90's


right now he's testing prescription medication on animals and has to move every 3-5 years cause of PETA finding out where he lives

[Nanners]

i'm sure theres flaws in the american healthcare system as well. but not nearly as many as up here


theres much better specialists in the united states. all the best canadian surgeons go to the states for work.


my uncle's a doctor and has worked in the US since the early 90's

no doubt we have some great specialists. if you are wealthy enough to pay out of pocket for the top doctors, the US has the best healthcare in the world.

if you are a wealthy canadian you can come to the US and use our specialists

anyway, despite having excellent care for the ultra wealthy, when you look at the overall US healthcare situation for all citizens, its the worst of any developed nation on the planet.

[kennethgriffen]

no doubt we have some great specialists. if you are wealthy enough to pay out of pocket for the top doctors, the US has the best healthcare in the world.

if you are a wealthy canadian you can come to the US and use our specialists

anyway, despite having excellent care for the ultra wealthy, when you look at the overall US healthcare situation for all citizens, its the worst of any developed nation on the planet.


a week before i had my gallbladder taken out i went to the general hospital in ottawa. i was rolling on the floor in pain with nobody else there at the time and i still had to wait an hour to see a nurse. then after another hour i saw a doctor and he didn't assess me for anything. he just assumed i had acid reflux


the nurse gave me some pink shit and sent me home


luckily the second time he actually approved me for an ultrasound after pressing on my liver and realizing there was an actual problem


this shit happens all the time up here. they wait till the 2nd/3rd time you report symptoms before approving any real detection methods for something serious


when moneys involved the hospitals in the US don't turn people away. its a business. they want your money so they WANT you to be dying of something. they wanna charge your insurance company for that ultrasound. you would have gotten it right away


i could have died that second time. was in pain for 12 hours and had to just assume it was another acid reflux before finally going back to argue the doctor might have f*cked up


the same shit happened to brock lesnar up here. he almost died because of lazy canadian healthcare workers.

[Nanners]

when moneys involved the hospitals in the US don't turn people away. its a business. they want your money so they WANT you to be dying of something. they wanna charge your insurance company for that ultrasound. you would have gotten it right away


complete nonsense.

~30 million americans are currently uninsured (for comparison the entire population of Canada is ~38 million), and 40k americans died last year due to preventable medical issues that they could not afford to treat.

im sorry you had a bad healthcare experience in Canada, but your anecdotal experience that doesnt change the statistics that prove that US healthcare is the worst of any developed nation on the planet.

[kennethgriffen]

complete nonsense.

~30 million americans are currently uninsured (for comparison the entire population of Canada is ~38 million), and 40k americans died last year due to preventable medical issues that they could not afford to treat.

im sorry you had a bad healthcare experience in Canada, but your anecdotal experience that doesnt change the statistics that prove that US healthcare is the worst of any developed nation on the planet.


i said hospitals want your money. if you don't have any and no insurance then of course they won't treat you


socialized medicine is better for them sure. but the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few


quality healthcare for 90% of the US population is better than shitty healthcare for 100% of the US population

[Nanners]

i said hospitals want your money. if you don't have any and no insurance then of course they won't treat you


socialized medicine is better for them sure. but the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few


quality healthcare for 90% of the US population is better than shitty healthcare for 100% of the US population

:oldlol:

I cant tell if you are a troll or just a complete ****ing idiot

90% of the US population is not getting quality healthcare, if they were then the US wouldnt lag behind the rest of the developed world in virtually every healthcare metric.

If the US were to switch to a socialized system, wealthy americans (the "few" who the current system is working for) would be unaffected. they could still pay out of pocket for high end care just like they do now. "the many" (the vast majority of americans who cant afford high end care) would be helped tremendously.

[tpols]

a week before i had my gallbladder taken out i went to the general hospital in ottawa. i was rolling on the floor in pain with nobody else there at the time and i still had to wait an hour to see a nurse. then after another hour i saw a doctor and he didn't assess me for anything. he just assumed i had acid reflux


the nurse gave me some pink shit and sent me home


luckily the second time he actually approved me for an ultrasound after pressing on my liver and realizing there was an actual problem


this shit happens all the time up here. they wait till the 2nd/3rd time you report symptoms before approving any real detection methods for something serious


when moneys involved the hospitals in the US don't turn people away. its a business. they want your money so they WANT you to be dying of something. they wanna charge your insurance company for that ultrasound. you would have gotten it right away


i could have died that second time. was in pain for 12 hours and had to just assume it was another acid reflux before finally going back to argue the doctor might have f*cked up


the same shit happened to brock lesnar up here. he almost died because of lazy canadian healthcare workers.


This is total bullshit. In the USA , ER's turn people loose all the time and don't assume serious things until you really press them. And people have to hunt down specialists themselves to get to the root of the problem.

Wait times are also in the many hours just to get inside, then an hour talking to insurance reps and then another hour maybe a doc will come for 5 minutes and bill your provider a grand for a Tylenol.

[kennethgriffen]

This is total bullshit. In the USA , ER's turn people loose all the time and don't assume serious things until you really press them. And people have to hunt down specialists themselves to get to the root of the problem.

Wait times are also in the many hours just to get inside, then an hour talking to insurance reps and then another hour maybe a doc will come for 5 minutes and bill your provider a grand for a Tylenol.


sounds like you have shitty health insurance


if you have to talk to your insurance company for an hour to get approved for tylenol then maybe you should look for something better/not go with the cheapest one available

[tpols]

sounds like you have shitty health insurance


if you have to talk to your insurance company for an hour to get approved for tylenol then maybe you should look for something better/not go with the cheapest one available


That's the process kenny. Whether you went in for a ton of scans and blood work or they gave you a script for antibiotics and kick you out. You have to wait a couple hours at each checkpoint until you see a doctor that's juggling 100 other people.

I have some of the best insurance in the country as well and live in the world capitol for pharmaceutical industry and premier hospitals ~ northeast tri state.


I can't even imagine what its like in the south trump country ...third world I suppose.

[kennethgriffen]

That's the process kenny. Whether you went in for a ton of scans and blood work or they gave you a script for antibiotics and kick you out. You have to wait a couple hours at each checkpoint until you see a doctor that's juggling 100 other people.

I have some of the best insurance in the country as well and live in the world capitol for pharmaceutical industry and premier hospitals ~ northeast tri state.


I can't even imagine what its like in the south trump country ...third world I suppose.


you're speaking on non life threatening visits to a clinic for blood work and trying to compare it to my situation lol

if you don't wanna wait for that then get a family doctor and make an appointment somewhere for xrays/blood tests. you won't wait long


urgent care/life threatening emergencies have a different priority


plus i dunno if you live in a poor town/shit state. everything's so different depending on where you are

i honestly don't care about any of that though. I'm talking to someone who thinks US healthcare is as shitty or worse than canadas

i must need another hospital appointment for even engaging in this nonsense

[Vino24]

Couple x-rays, a sling, and prescriptions. total time: 3 hours from the time I walked in the door. I'd say that's pretty friggen good. I can't complain about America healthcare

[ArbitraryWater]

:applause: Back on track.

you're annoying.

go troll elsewhere

[tpols]

you're speaking on non life threatening visits to a clinic for blood work and trying to compare it to my situation lol

if you don't wanna wait for that then get a family doctor and make an appointment somewhere for xrays/blood tests. you won't wait long


urgent care/life threatening emergencies have a different priority


plus i dunno if you live in a poor town/shit state. everything's so different depending on where you are

i honestly don't care about any of that though. I'm talking to someone who thinks US healthcare is as shitty or worse than canadas

i must need another hospital appointment for even engaging in this nonsense


you shouldve had them check your brain as well.

[Loco 50]

your ignorance astounds


:lol


Sorry, I get pissed when people dump on the poor for not "earning" their station in life, especially when said person has me skeptical as to how much he has actually earned himself.




the point of my post was to expose the canadian healthcare system as a joke.


it wasn't for you to find me an expensive way around it on the other side of the map. i just showed how free healthcare isn't worth a damn and it might as well be privatized so people can save their tax dollars and get better treatment

But, you didn't expose anything except that you have a greater range of options than we do here in the U.S. If you can afford the care, you travel and get it done. The same situations happen in the states all the time. People have to travel to specialists.

At least if you can't afford the care there is a safety net that can catch you, unlike what we've got. People die here for not being able to afford insulin, Kenneth. That's pretty repulsive when you consider how long the drug has been around and how many folks have diabetes.



and you only helped prove my point by suggesting i seek treatment in vancouver for 10's of thousands of dollars
The treatment at that facility would run you less than 10k for sure. That, plus travel doesn't get anywhere near "10's of k's." Who's to say there aren't other closer facilities available? It's not like I did an exhaustive search. I trust you can do some of the legwork.

I will try harder to treat you kinder in the future.

[Loco 50]

a week before i had my gallbladder taken out i went to the general hospital in ottawa. i was rolling on the floor in pain with nobody else there at the time and i still had to wait an hour to see a nurse. then after another hour i saw a doctor and he didn't assess me for anything. he just assumed i had acid reflux


the nurse gave me some pink shit and sent me home

So, you got a poor doc. We have those in the states too. Any doc worth his salt would have asked for location of the pain, description of the pain, when it happened and started and then palpated the region, followed by the ultrasound, unless you have a reputation Kenneth. Are you known at that hospital by any chance? I'm honestly curious, not accusing you of anything.


luckily the second time he actually approved me for an ultrasound after pressing on my liver and realizing there was an actual problem


this shit happens all the time up here. they wait till the 2nd/3rd time you report symptoms before approving any real detection methods for something serious


when moneys involved the hospitals in the US don't turn people away. its a business. they want your money so they WANT you to be dying of something. they wanna charge your insurance company for that ultrasound. you would have gotten it right away

No, it happens here all too often. Medicine is difficult. Also doctors are human. Maybe he was having a bad day. Maybe your personality was causing difficulties. There are too many variables. Medical malpractice is very common.


i could have died that second time. was in pain for 12 hours and had to just assume it was another acid reflux before finally going back to argue the doctor might have f*cked up

the same shit happened to brock lesnar up here. he almost died because of lazy canadian healthcare workers.
The valuable lesson for everyone to learn from this is doctors are human. Question your doc, because you know your body better than they ever will. Keep in mind, you obviously don't have to be an ass about it though too. If your doc doesn't listen to you, find a new doc, because there are listeners out there.

[kennethgriffen]

Sorry, I get pissed when people dump on the poor for not "earning" their station in life, especially when said person has me skeptical as to how much he has actually earned himself.



But, you didn't expose anything except that you have a greater range of options than we do here in the U.S. If you can afford the care, you travel and get it done. The same situations happen in the states all the time. People have to travel to specialists.

At least if you can't afford the care there is a safety net that can catch you, unlike what we've got. People die here for not being able to afford insulin, Kenneth. That's pretty repulsive when you consider how long the drug has been around and how many folks have diabetes.


The treatment at that facility would run you less than 10k for sure. That, plus travel doesn't get anywhere near "10's of k's." Who's to say there aren't other closer facilities available? It's not like I did an exhaustive search. I trust you can do some of the legwork.

I will try harder to treat you kinder in the future.


1. i never asked for a handout in my life


do you shit on lottery winners too? if so why play the lottery


i worked for over 10 years. 5 days a week 40 hours a month doing odd jobs. mostly hard labour and retail/customer service. i bought every piece of clothing i owned since i was 15. paid rent since i was 18. lived on my own since 2005 and at some points had to gamble at casinos to make rent. went 30 grand in debt from a gambling addiction and filed for bankruptcy. my parents never gave me a dime. one day i find out my grandfather had a stroke at his retirement home and fell through a table. broke his hip and got hypothermia. died a week later in the hospital and suddenly i don't have to worry about money. worked for a few years after that and everyone kept giving me shit for having money and not doing anything with it. so i quit. there's too many judgemental f*ggots like you in the world who jump to conclusions and wanna label a guy/degrade him for his fortunes. so i said f*ck it and avoid work. i'm happily retired

if you can't handle it tough sh*t


2. i don't care to get into this again. you think canadian healthcare is better. ok.. you have a minority opinion that's worthless. congrats. the majority of people agree with me.

[coin24]

Straight white male pride :rockon: :rockon:

[Loco 50]

1. i never asked for a handout in my life


do you shit on lottery winners too? if so why play the lottery

Didn't say you did and don't care in the slightest.



i worked for over 10 years. 5 days a week 40 hours a month doing odd jobs. mostly hard labour and retail/customer service. i bought every piece of clothing i owned since i was 15. paid rent since i was 18. lived on my own since 2005 and at some points had to gamble at casinos to make rent. went 30 grand in debt from a gambling addiction and filed for bankruptcy. my parents never gave me a dime. one day i find out my grandfather had a stroke at his retirement home and fell through a table. broke his hip and got hypothermia. died a week later in the hospital and suddenly i don't have to worry about money. worked for a few years after that and everyone kept giving me shit for having money and not doing anything with it. so i quit. there's too many judgemental f*ggots like you in the world who jump to conclusions and wanna label a guy/degrade him for his fortunes. so i said f*ck it and avoid work. i'm happily retired

if you can't handle it tough sh*t

I'm judgemental for criticizing you for being callous in deciding that poor people deserve **** all for healthcare? Poor Kenneth, ever the victim. But, you're the nicest guy you know. :oldlol: That's one of the funniest things I've ever heard someone say about themselves.



2. i don't care to get into this again. you think canadian healthcare is better. ok.. you have a minority opinion that's worthless. congrats. the majority of people agree with me.
You are wrong and you live in your own special world that you have created for yourself. Good day, sir.

[kennethgriffen]

Didn't say you did and don't care in the slightest.


I'm judgemental for criticizing you for being callous in deciding that poor people deserve **** all for healthcare? Poor Kenneth, ever the victim. But, you're the nicest guy you know. :oldlol: That's one of the funniest things I've ever heard someone say about themselves.

You are wrong and you live in your own special world that you have created for yourself. Good day, sir.

it should be everyones individual right to be charitable. just because i give to charity doesnt mean someone else should be forced to