ESPN - Who is truly the greatest of all time? MJ or Brady

[dbugz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4nwCKEC7A8

LeQuit - I'm the GOAT!

Your name isn't even mentioned on the conversation :roll: :roll:


LeQuit fans must be like

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[hiphopanonymous]

ESPN catering to a 12 year old or younger minded audience as usual

Way too many other legends of their sports dominated arguably as much or more than either of those two but yeah Its just those two thats the debate - and I gotta bridge I wanna sell you

[3ball]

ESPN catering to a 12 year old or younger minded audience as usual

Way too many other legends of their sports dominated arguably as much or more than either of those two but yeah Its just those two thats the debate - and I gotta bridge I wanna sell you
Who else won 6 in the modern era?

Or dominated more than MJ? Don't make me post MJ's 91-93' stats versus shaq's 00-02'..cause you know I'll do it

[Celtics 1825]

I'm surprised ESPN of all people isn't mentioning LeBron :wtf:

[3ball]

I'm surprised ESPN of all people isn't mentioning LeBron :wtf:
He's won the championship half as many times

Despite team-hopping onto ready-made favorites

He has no case

[hiphopanonymous]

Who else won 6 in the modern era?

Or dominated more than MJ? Don't make me post MJ's 91-93' stats versus shaq's 00-02'..cause you know I'll do it
So - was this a who's the goat athlete debate?

In all of human history? Wait no - of "all time" so even beyond written history.

Just in the past hundred years of recent recorded history - there are so many countless legends of their sports, basketball football, soccer, all of it.

I know you like to argue MJ as the greatest I have zero issue with that and I think you're a smart poster that knows the game even if you (as we all do) tend to dig in to your position - and again your position is fine as I agree MJ is a solid GOAT candidate. Strong a case as anyone so long as you favor the things he did and weight them heaviest.

But that's just it - that's just arbitrarily weighting his accolades and abilities as best. It is definitely arbitrary to say what is written on his resume is better than what is written on say, Babe Ruths resume or Wilt Chamberlains, or Bill Russells, or Jim Thorpes, or Wayne Gretzky, or a litany of other athletes of other sports disciplines or varieties.

And that's just recent history.

That's all I'll say. I have no issue with someone thinking MJ is GOAT. I just think it gets a bit funny trying to dig into it and act like other - CLEARLY great athletes are just not even comparable. Even using the term recent as a modifier is silly. So recency heavily weights to make one the best ever? Why? Isn't that also an arbitrary decision you or anyone could have just made up on the fly to favor their favorite athlete that happens to be of recent history? What about that word, ever? That word carries a weight to it. A timeless weight. "recent" is a blip on the radar of time - a drip in an ocean. An undefeated ancient roman athlete for all we know could be the clear cut GOAT athlete.

My 2 cents on GOAT athlete discussions :cheers:

[FKAri]

MJ

[dbugz]

and another one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_YPYy8j1W8

MJ is really the GOAT

LeQuit saying he's the GOAT

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backfired! :roll: :roll:

[Da_Realist]

ESPN catering to a 12 year old or younger minded audience as usual

Way too many other legends of their sports dominated arguably as much or more than either of those two but yeah Its just those two thats the debate - and I gotta bridge I wanna sell you

True. As if you can compare two different sports anyway. Even within football, is Brady really better at his position than Jerry Rice was at his?

[jlip]

ESPN is acting like Russell and Kareem don't exist.

[hiphopanonymous]

ESPN is acting like Russell and Kareem don't exist.
ESPN is acting like a whole lot of humans throughout both history and prehistory don't exist

- uses the phrase "all-time" but only talks about the last 25 years :lol

[hiphopanonymous]

Flamma the GOAT candidate Gladiator of ancient Rome rolling in his gladitorial grave at DisnEySPN's narrative

Would manhandle MJ and Tom Brady

This dude literally ended human lives in close quarters hand wielded weapon combat for sport.

ESPN out here quoting a god damned America-Only sport... American Football isn't even Global isn't that one of the disses NBA fans come up with about prior NBA eras is that it wasn't yet international? Hellooooo neither is American football our "talent pool" is pretty much entirely limited to kids from America that have parents that don't care about head injuries.

Seriously - the older I get the more ridiculous GOAT conversations of any sort sound to me. Be it basketball or otherwise.

[72-10]

would still have to say MJ

[atljonesbro]

If you’re talking about the ultimate GOAT it’s easily Gretzky

[Phoenix]

True. As if you can compare two different sports anyway. Even within football, is Brady really better at his position than Jerry Rice was at his?

That's what I was saying before. How do you measure football players playing in different positions, even on different sides of the ball? I mean football more than many other team sports needs more clearly defined 'GOATs per position' because the quarterback is so different from the running back from the wide receiver from the defensive tackle and so on and so on....football has far more moving parts with wildly different responsibilities even if it could be argued that the quarterback's position is the most important.

[hiphopanonymous]

Flamma literally fought fights with weapons, for his life, and to the death.

21 victories with his literal life on the line in a fight to the death.

Won his freedom 4 times in ancient Rome but declined each time to keep on fighting and killing.

We're here talking about athletes that fly on private jets and rest due to injuries and this dude fought for his life and won 21 times..

Even MJ and Brady are laughable athletes by comparison.

[72-10]

btw, I had previously thought that the GOAT football player would have to be a running back, using what might have been flawed logic

[bullettooth]

MJ still being used as the measuring stick tells you he's the real GOAT of basketball.

Sorry Wheels, your life is over.

[aj1987]

So - was this a who's the goat athlete debate?

In all of human history? Wait no - of "all time" so even beyond written history.

Just in the past hundred years of recent recorded history - there are so many countless legends of their sports, basketball football, soccer, all of it.

I know you like to argue MJ as the greatest I have zero issue with that and I think you're a smart poster that knows the game even if you (as we all do) tend to dig in to your position - and again your position is fine as I agree MJ is a solid GOAT candidate. Strong a case as anyone so long as you favor the things he did and weight them heaviest.

But that's just it - that's just arbitrarily weighting his accolades and abilities as best. It is definitely arbitrary to say what is written on his resume is better than what is written on say, Babe Ruths resume or Wilt Chamberlains, or Bill Russells, or Jim Thorpes, or Wayne Gretzky, or a litany of other athletes of other sports disciplines or varieties.

And that's just recent history.

That's all I'll say. I have no issue with someone thinking MJ is GOAT. I just think it gets a bit funny trying to dig into it and act like other - CLEARLY great athletes are just not even comparable. Even using the term recent as a modifier is silly. So recency heavily weights to make one the best ever? Why? Isn't that also an arbitrary decision you or anyone could have just made up on the fly to favor their favorite athlete that happens to be of recent history? What about that word, ever? That word carries a weight to it. A timeless weight. "recent" is a blip on the radar of time - a drip in an ocean. An undefeated ancient roman athlete for all we know could be the clear cut GOAT athlete.

My 2 cents on GOAT athlete discussions :cheers:
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30 -> 22 -> 18

[dbugz]

MJ still being used as the measuring stick tells you he's the real GOAT of basketball.

Sorry Wheels, your life is over.


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you'll know it really hit LeQuit fans when they start adding the rome and some ancient sh!t in the conversation :roll:

[DaHeezy]

Could of been an interesting thread, but OP made it about Lebron.

Another Jordan fanboy with Lebron on the mind.

[bullettooth]

Could of been an interesting thread, but OP made it about Lebron.

Another Jordan fanboy with Lebron on the mind.

Are you angry?

[Mr Feeny]

Jordan was greater than Gretzky is. I get that the Patriots have just won the super bowl and the hype is out of control but get real, Brady isn't Jordan.

Gretzky is the best comparison but Gretzky pulvarized a sport that was played almost exclusively by North Americans (Canadians,, for the most part). The talent pool in hockey was never and still isn't to the same extent that it is in the major sports, whether that is baseball, basketball, or association football.

[dbugz]

Could of been an interesting thread, but OP made it about Lebron.

Another Jordan fanboy with Lebron on the mind.

With or w/out LeQuit's name on this thread, As long as there is "GOAT" word in the title thread, this will get infested by LeDiva's fans.

That's how desperate they are that they need to insert his name right away.

I'm just giving these fools a taste of their own medicine.

Stop being ignorant :oldlol:

[hiphopanonymous]

Jordan was greater than Gretzky is. I get that the Patriots have just won the super bowl and the hype is out of control but get real, Brady isn't Jordan.

Gretzky is the best comparison but Gretzky pulvarized a sport that was played almost exclusively by North Americans (Canadians,, for the most part). The talent pool in hockey was never and still isn't to the same extent that it is in the major sports, whether that is baseball, basketball, or association football.
Football is also North American only. Seriously - everyone ignores that - it's talent pool is pretty much ice hockey status only actually it's even less still. At least Russians play Hockey. Nobody from Europe, Africa, or anywhere else cares about American football. It's a small talent pool. Only American kids who's parents don't care about head injuries grow up playing football.

[Psileas]

ESPN is acting like Russell and Kareem don't exist.

Honest question: Does this shit happen with any other sport in America? Do football fans pretend all those titles of the Bears, the Giants, the Packers and the Redskins don't exist? Do baseball fans pretend Babe Ruth didn't exist? Do hockey fans pretend Gordie Howe and Bobby Orr didn't exist?

[Mr Feeny]

Football is also North American only. Seriously - everyone ignores that - it's talent pool is pretty much ice hockey status only actually it's even less still. At least Russians play Hockey. Nobody from Europe, Africa, or anywhere else cares about American football. It's a small talent pool. Only American kids who's parents don't care about head injuries grow up playing football.

I know. I meant association football. Agree with American football.

[DaHeezy]

Are you angry?

Are you?
You seem to be in every thread that belittles Lebron. It seems to be the only thing you post in. Doesn't sound like a happy life.

[DaHeezy]

With or w/out LeQuit's name on this thread, As long as there is "GOAT" word in the title thread, this will get infested by LeDiva's fans.

That's how desperate they are that they need to insert his name right away.

I'm just giving these fools a taste of their own medicine.

Stop being ignorant :oldlol:

Ironic since you're the one who brought up Lebron in the very opening post. Little was spoken about Lebron outside of you and the other Lebron fanboy Bullettooth.

I think you're the one being ignorant. Take your own advice and support on the medicine. Since you're the one who brought up Lebron in a non-Lebron topic.

[Anti Vida]

He's won the championship half as many times

Despite team-hopping onto ready-made favorites

He has no case

But we all know, losing is an accolade for Lebron fans. "He made it to the finals like 8 times in a row. It don't matter he faced Jeff Teague and Kemba Walker while having Wade, Bosh or Irving, Love on his teams and those teams had nowhere near the caliber of player those guys were or the same amount of talent on their team. 8 straight dammit!"

[Mask the Embiid]

MJ still being used as the measuring stick tells you he's the real GOAT of basketball.

Sorry Wheels, your life is over.
Your clan head sheet in one hand and your jordan poster with lipstick kiss marks all around the genital area, in the other hand.....i know this was a very tough decision for you man.

[ClipperRevival]

Brady can sit on the same table with MJ but I think only a few would say he SURPASSES him. MJ was just different man. The one human being where I wasn't completely sure if he was 100% human. Like there's some God like particles sprinkled on this guy. That's why when former players talk about him, they talk about him like a God. Not a mere mortal.

[FKAri]

Brady can sit on the same table with MJ but I think only a few would say he SURPASSES him. MJ was just different man. The one human being where I wasn't completely sure if he was 100% human. Like there's some God like particles sprinkled on this guy. That's why when former players talk about him, they talk about him like a God. Not a mere mortal.
Michael Jordan definitely had a perfect storm of some rare traits. Even generalized into 3 categories of physical, mental and natural ability. No one had all 3 on the level of MJ. At least in the basketball that I've seen.