The Lakers Updated Offer....

[AirTupac]

Landed in Indy; update on Lakers-Pelicans talks. Magic Johnson, Dell Demps talked twice today, per source. Lakers willing to give Pelicans cap relief for Anthony Davis by taking Solomon Hill for Lonzo Ball, Kyle Kuzma, Ingram, Rondo, Lance Stephenson, Beasley, 2 1st round picks


@BA_Turner

Lakers now waiting on Pelicans go respond, per source. But it's all that the Pelicans wanted to trade AD. Young talent from Lakers, cap relief and draft picks.

GG. Lakers are done if true. :(

[Manny98]

Why Rondo tho?

[AirTupac]

Why Rondo tho?

I dont fking know. That looks brutal if true.

[LoneyROY7]

Dell Demps beating Magic over the head if that's the deal.

That team would LITERALLY be LeBron, AD, Josh Hart, and McGee. Who plays PG...who plays the other forward spot?

[lilteapot]

Wow, the Lakers should say forget it and walk away from this deal. That's too much of an asking price.

[Marchesk]

Dell Demps beating Magic over the head if that's the deal.

That team would LITERALLY be LeBron, AD, Josh Hart, and McGee. Who plays PG...who plays the other forward spot?

Sign Melo, bring Kobe out of retirement :confusedshrug:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kuzma, Ingram, Lonzo AND Rondo?

lol

Demps would be a ****ing quack turning this down. LA on the other hand will look shredded...and not in an aesthetic way :oldlol:

[PP34Deuce]

Landed in Indy; update on Lakers-Pelicans talks. Magic Johnson, Dell Demps talked twice today, per source. Lakers willing to give Pelicans cap relief for Anthony Davis by taking Solomon Hill for Lonzo Ball, Kyle Kuzma, Ingram, Rondo, Lance Stephenson, Beasley, 2 1st round picks


@BA_Turner

Lakers now waiting on Pelicans go respond, per source. But it's all that the Pelicans wanted to trade AD. Young talent from Lakers, cap relief and draft picks.

GG. Lakers are done if true. :(


2 competent true PGs
2 SF's that are scorers
1 SF in Lance that's 27 and still a good roleplayer
PF Beasley who's a good 9-11th man

That's too much... I'd just ride it out with the Lakers squad. That's not a good deal for depth.

[Milbuck]

If they're taking Hill back too, they wouldn't even have cap space to bring another guy in right?

[LoneyROY7]

It would look like...

Hart
KCP
Bron
AD
McGee

With zero bench. Lord. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[AirTupac]

Dont forget rumours of Melo coming to Lakers.... what a joke lmao

[Milbuck]

It would look like...

Hart
KCP
Bron
AD
McGee

With zero bench. Lord. :oldlol: :oldlol:
That'd actually be a really fun starting 5 imo if you swapped out McGee for a shooter like Matthews or something on the buyout market.

But yeah if there was ever a way to fail with 2 superstars, that'd be damn close lol. Depth would be laughable. I don't know how you even make them better with LeBron aging most likely and no meaningful young prospects (I guess Hart?) and also out multiple first round picks.

[AirTupac]

Caruso
Hart
Melo
LeBron
AD


9th seed finish :applause:

[LoneyROY7]

Caruso
Hart
Melo
LeBron
AD


9th seed finish :applause:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Bruh, the Melo signing would be the icing on the cake holy shit.

[zeerghit]

it cant be true.. wtf kuzma/ingram/zubas +1st is more than enough

[AirTupac]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Bruh, the Melo signing would be the icing on the cake holy shit.

Worst timeline possible.

[AirTupac]

so basically Magic is trading Dlo, Lou Williams, Jordan Clarkson, Randle, Nance Jr., Zubac, Kuzma, Ball and Ingram.....future picks and taking on bad money....for AD.

RIP

[FireDavidKahn]

it cant be true.. wtf kuzma/ingram/zubas +1st is more than enough
No it's not. If it was the trade would be done.

[zeerghit]

No it's not. If it was the trade would be done.
we talked same s*it about cousins trade nobody gonna pay what they asking.. kuzma/ingram/zubac + 1st its gonna be the best what they get.

[Milbuck]

it cant be true.. wtf kuzma/ingram/zubas +1st is more than enough
That offer is a pile of shit for a top 5 player.

[zeerghit]

That offer is a pile of shit for a top 5 player.
what's the point for lakers doing this? u still lose to warriors, its not gonna happen..

[bison]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Bruh, the Melo signing would be the icing on the cake holy shit.

Has lebrons fingerprints all over it.

Kick everyone out of LA, bring his pals AD and melo in. 10th seed livin it up in LA.

Seriously **** bron if this happens

[Milbuck]

what's the point for lakers doing this? u still lose to warriors, its not gonna happen..
I'm not even saying the trade package in the OP is some slam dunk for the Lakers. Just saying the trade package you mentioned in that post is garbage for a player of Davis' caliber. If that's your offer, NOLA would be the dumbest franchise in sports history to not just wait till the summer.

[LoneyROY7]

If this deal happens, the Lakers are basically punting this season in the hopes that they can get Kyrie or Klay in the off-season.

You throw Kyrie/Klay into that line-up and it starts to make a lot of sense.

[zeerghit]

I'm not even saying the trade package in the OP is some slam dunk for the Lakers, just saying the trade package you mentioned in that post is just garbage for a player of Davis' caliber.
tell me other trade who paid that kinda stuff?
dont go with nets..

[Milbuck]

If this deal happens, the Lakers are basically punting this season in the hopes that they can get Kyrie or Klay in the off-season.

You throw Kyrie/Klay into that line-up and it starts to make a lot of sense.How though? Taking Hill back would kill their max FA money right? And they'd be out multiple firsts as well as all their meaningful young players (except Hart I guess, who is also overrated) as trade chips.

[Milbuck]

tell me other trade who paid that kinda stuff?
dont go with nets..
I would legit rather have NYK's unprotected 1st over that package you mentioned. Shit, even if they top 1 protected it (so no Zion) and added the 2 Dallas 1sts + Knox/Ntilikina/Robinson, I'd rather have that.

Of course this is all just right now before the deadline, if NOLA waited till the summer, the offers would blow that trade package out of the water even more.

[zeerghit]

I would legit rather have NYK's unprotected 1st over that package you mentioned. Shit, even if they top 1 protected it (so no Zion) and added the 2 Dallas 1sts + Knox/Ntilikina/Robinson, I'd rather have that.

Of course this is all just right now before the deadline, if NOLA waited till the summer, the offers would blow that trade package out of the water even more.
no its not.. who gonna pay them more? ainge?

[Milbuck]

no its not.. who gonna pay them more? ainge?
Yes, that's one.

[raprap]

Fcvk it it

[zeerghit]

Yes, that's one.
what happened with kwahi wasnt he top 5 player either? its not gonna happen

[Bosnian Sajo]

Unbelievable.



I'm speechless man, what is there left to say?

[Trollsmasher]

you'd think LeBron would've learned that this gutting of roster of everything of value for a single star doesn't work:roll:

what a dummy

[bullettooth]

Dell Demps beating Magic over the head if that's the deal.

That team would LITERALLY be LeBron, AD, Josh Hart, and McGee. Who plays PG...who plays the other forward spot?

I thought LeBron could play all 5 positions?

[Bosnian Sajo]

Yes, that's one.

Dude, what the hell do the Celtics have to offer that's better than this package? Gtfo of here man.


Yall overrate the hell out of Tatum. He ain't shit and you'll see that once Kyrie leaves. Keep pretending though.

[Milbuck]

what happened with kwahi wasnt he top 5 player either? its not gonna happen
It's not the same situation as Kawhi at all.

[AI09]

Damn according to airtupac the Lakers are trading the next Magic Johnson, Kevin Durant, best young offensive weapon Kyle Kuzma,.role players and 2 first rounders that will end up being the next Jordan and Shaq. I wonder why the deal isnt done yet.:confusedshrug:

[Milbuck]

Dude, what the hell do the Celtics have to offer that's better than this package? Gtfo of here man.


Yall overrate the hell out of Tatum. He ain't shit and you'll see that once Kyrie leaves. Keep pretending though.
It's irrelevant what we think of them as players. It's about trade value and you can't seriously tell me guys like Ingram/Kuzma have more trade value around the league than Tatum. Like there is zero doubt in my mind every team in the league would give up more for Tatum than either Kuzma or Ingram, and Boston has a bunch of other assets to stack it in their favor.

[zeerghit]

It's not the same situation as Kawhi at all.
the guy said hes going to lakers.. i think its even worst..

[AirTupac]

Ingram is having a better season than Tatum and is a much better defender despite being older by how many months?

Milbuck is a straight retard to think Boston is going to offer the farm for someone who said THEY WONT SIGN with them.


Also if this was the actual offer, Pelicans would have accepted it already.

[JohnnySic]

Damn according to airtupac the Lakers are trading the next Magic Johnson, Kevin Durant, best young offensive weapon Kyle Kuzma,.role players and 2 first rounders that will end up being the next Jordan and Shaq. I wonder why the deal isnt done yet.:confusedshrug:
The Celtics dont even have to include Tatum.

Horford
Brown
Rozier
draft picks (Sacramento/Clippers/their own, ideally keep the Memphis pick)

is better than anything the Lakers can come up with.

That said, I dont want Davis unless he resigns.

[Nash]

They'd keep Zubac? His value is going up.

Caruso
KCP
Lebron
AD
Mcgee

Hart, Chandler, Zubac, Melo, JR.. They'll probably have first dibs on any buyout candidate because of their location.

They could probably trade Zubac for a PG or more shooting.

But yeah, they will most likely have to look in the trash can for chinese free agents like Speights and JR.

[Milbuck]

Ingram is having a better season than Tatum and is a much better defender despite being older by how many months?

Milbuck is a straight retard to think Boston is going to offer the farm for someone who said THEY WONT SIGN with them.


Also if this was the actual offer, Pelicans would have accepted it already.
You're a straight retard if you think more than maybe like 2-3 stupid teams in the league would rather have Ingram than Tatum.

Y'all are getting AD, relax lmao.

[Nash]

It's irrelevant what we think of them as players. It's about trade value and you can't seriously tell me guys like Ingram/Kuzma have more trade value around the league than Tatum. Like there is zero doubt in my mind every team in the league would give up more for Tatum than either Kuzma or Ingram, and Boston has a bunch of other assets to stack it in their favor.
Why we talking about Tatum? Ainge ain't dumb and won't involve Tatum in a trade that involves a rental. Then it becomes about guys like Brown or Rozier and at that point Lakers offer is better.

[Bosnian Sajo]

It's irrelevant what we think of them as players. It's about trade value and you can't seriously tell me guys like Ingram/Kuzma have more trade value around the league than Tatum. Like there is zero doubt in my mind every team in the league would give up more for Tatum than either Kuzma or Ingram, and Boston has a bunch of other assets to stack it in their favor.


Zero doubt in your mind, 100% doubt in mine.

What the hell does Tatum do better than either player? Both Kuzma and Ingram score more and are more efficient, both Kuzma and Ingram are better passers, and both are better (or equal) rebounders. Stats back this up, even with Lebron having the ball in his hands most of the time along with Rondo and Zo on the team.


Is Tatum this all time great defensive player? Am I missing something?


Stop undervaluing our players just because they play for the Lakers, it's sickening.


sources:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tatumja01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kuzmaky01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ingrabr01.html


Kuzma dropped 41 in 3 quarters ffs and you guys still value him as if he's a fill in, a has been. Enough is enough.

[Bosnian Sajo]

The Celtics dont even have to include Tatum.

Horford
Brown
Rozier
draft picks (Sacramento/Clippers/their own, ideally keep the Memphis pick)

is better than anything the Lakers can come up with.

That said, I dont want Davis unless he resigns.

Celtics fans are THE MOST delusional fans around. You're honestly ridiculous.

Those picks you mentioned are AT BEST late lottery/18-22 range

[AirTupac]

Sajo it doesnt matter what you pull out. Game tape, stats... this guy already has his mind made up.

Ingram is a much more efficient scorer while being a much better defender. This guy had the audacity to say that.... lmao.

[LoneyROY7]

Ingram is having a better season than Tatum and is a much better defender despite being older by how many months?

Milbuck is a straight retard to think Boston is going to offer the farm for someone who said THEY WONT SIGN with them.


Also if this was the actual offer, Pelicans would have accepted it already.

Not necessarily. They still have no reason to rush.

[Milbuck]

Zero doubt in your mind, 100% doubt in mine.

What the hell does Tatum do better than either player? Both Kuzma and Ingram score more and are more efficient, both Kuzma and Ingram are better passers, and both are better (or equal) rebounders. Stats back this up, even with Lebron having the ball in his hands most of the time along with Rondo and Zo on the team.


Is Tatum this all time great defensive player? Am I missing something?


Stop undervaluing our players just because they play for the Lakers, it's sickening.


sources:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tatumja01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kuzmaky01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ingrabr01.html


Kuzma dropped 41 in 3 quarters ffs and you guys still value him as if he's a fill in, a has been. Enough is enough.No one is saying Ingram/Kuzma are nothing prospects. But if you think either one of them individually has more trade value around the league then we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. This has nothing to do with my personal opinions on them as players. This has been reported for the longest time by all the credible writers/analysts when comparing their trade values - Tatum is at the top.

This is a pointless debate anyways, AD is going to be a Laker anyways.

[raprap]

The players you guys are holding onto lost to the Knicks and Cavs...

In the same week..

[JohnnySic]

Celtics fans are THE MOST delusional fans around. You're honestly ridiculous.

Those picks you mentioned are AT BEST late lottery/18-22 range
Then haven't the Pelicans accepted the Lakers' offer? :lol

Because NBA gm's aren't as dumb as posters on ISH. They're not trading Davis for glorified role players putting up bloated stats on a bad team.

That said, I do think its likely the Lakers will get Davis, but they're gonna have to give up a lot.

[LoneyROY7]

Zero doubt in your mind, 100% doubt in mine.

What the hell does Tatum do better than either player? Both Kuzma and Ingram score more and are more efficient, both Kuzma and Ingram are better passers, and both are better (or equal) rebounders. Stats back this up, even with Lebron having the ball in his hands most of the time along with Rondo and Zo on the team.


Is Tatum this all time great defensive player? Am I missing something?


Stop undervaluing our players just because they play for the Lakers, it's sickening.


sources:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tatumja01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kuzmaky01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ingrabr01.html


Kuzma dropped 41 in 3 quarters ffs and you guys still value him as if he's a fill in, a has been. Enough is enough.

It's not about production (because of each player's different circumstance), it's about skillset.

Tatum is quicker, has a better handle, and a better jumper with far more range than Ingram.

Ingram gets his buckets off of slow, long-stride drives and turn-around mid-range jumpers. It's not that impressive. If it was, Ingram would be the center-piece of the deal for AD and they wouldn't need to include the whole damn team.

[Milbuck]

It's not about production (because of each player's different circumstance), it's about skillset.

Tatum is quicker, has a better handle, and a better jumper than Ingram.

Ingram gets his buckets off of slow, long-stride drives and turn-around mid-range jumpers. It's not that impressive. If it was, Ingram would be the center-piece of the deal for AD and they wouldn't need to include the whole team.
Even if we go the stats route, Tatum dusts Ingram pretty much across the board by the advanced/impact numbers. Only the most surface level dumb analysis straight out of 1990 using nothing but raw PTS/REB/AST and FG% sides with Ingram. And this is with Ingram in his 3rd year and Tatum in his 2nd.

[Bosnian Sajo]

It's not about production (because of each player's different circumstance), it's about skillset.

Tatum is quicker, has a better handle, and a better jumper with far more range than Ingram.

Ingram gets his buckets off of slow, long-stride drives and turn-around mid-range jumpers. It's not that impressive. If it was, Ingram would be the center-piece of the deal for AD and they wouldn't need to include the whole damn team.

In the case of skill set, kuzma blows them all out the water, no? He literally has every type of shot in his arsenal, including a running hook shot ffs.


Next?

[AirTupac]

Its no surprise LA prospects get shit on as every other one has been and then gets touted as a great player the moment they leave. Its always been like that.

Dont be surprised people are enamoured by Ingram when or if he's on a different team. Tatum is having a worse season than Ingram last year...

Tatum this year: 16/6/2 on 45%
Ingram last year: 16/5/4 on 48%


"Tatum is without a doubt the greatest prospect"


Its not that clear cut guys.

[FireDavidKahn]

People need to put things in perspective.

Anything that ever gets leaked to the media (unless it is literally imminent) is to gain leverage in some way or another.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Dude I cannot ****ing wait to bump this thread down the line.


The only person who made a good point is milbuck. It is true that Tatum around the league has the most value as a prospect. Other than that....lmao

[Bosnian Sajo]

Brown, rozier, and mid 1st round picks are worth more than Ingram, zo, kuz, and mid 1st rounders.


Idk why I waste my time. I never get into these dumb ass discussions anymore.

[LoneyROY7]

In the case of skill set, kuzma blows them all out the water, no? He literally has every type of shot in his arsenal, including a running hook shot ffs.


Next?

How the f*ck does Kuzma blow Tatum's skillset out of the water? Because of running hook shots? :oldlol: :oldlol:

I'm talking about basketball talent. Tatum is quicker, more athletic, with a better handle than Kuz.

[Milbuck]

Jabari in his 3rd year put up 20/6/3 on 49% FG and was a negative most nights he stepped on court lmao. This PTS/REB/AST and FG% analysis of these guys is beyond stupid :oldlol:

[Milbuck]

Dude I cannot ****ing wait to bump this thread down the line.


The only person who made a good point is milbuck. It is true that Tatum around the league has the most value as a prospect. Other than that....lmao
Yeah, I'm not even trying to shit on Ingram here - I think he will be a good player, and while I don't think he'll ever be a franchise player..there's a chance. What isn't really debatable is that teams around the league value Tatum more right now. Lowe, Arnovitz, etc...they've all said this. Probably the only young asset or pick that realistically could be available for AD that would top Tatum is Zion.

[LoneyROY7]

Its no surprise LA prospects get shit on as every other one has been and then gets touted as a great player the moment they leave. Its always been like that.

Dont be surprised people are enamoured by Ingram when or if he's on a different team. Tatum is having a worse season than Ingram last year...

Tatum this year: 16/6/2 on 45%
Ingram last year: 16/5/4 on 48%


"Tatum is without a doubt the greatest prospect"


Its not that clear cut guys.

Bruh, it's not just about production when it comes to prospects. Ingram just doesn't pass the eye test the way Tatum does, when it comes to evaluating their potential down the line.

[stalkerforlife]

Can't be real.

[Bosnian Sajo]

I'm not even trying to shit on Ingram here - I think he will be a good player, and while I don't think he'll ever be a franchise player..there's a chance.

What isn't really debatable is that teams around the league value Tatum more right now. Lowe, Arnovitz, etc...they've all said this. Probably the only young asset or pick that realistically could be available for AD that would top Tatum is Zion.

You're right, and I acknowledged that a couple of posts above.


Tatum has more value. Watch where that takes em though, that boy ain't ever gonna be a star. Great player, but he ain't ever gonna a be the leader, much like you guys knock the Lakers players for the same exact reason.


Bro you saw that dumbass celtics fan think a trade centered around brown and rozier is much more valuable than the Lakers farm, these guys are beyond delusional.

[Trollsmasher]

Demps apparently refused

The Lakers are saved... for now

[Bosnian Sajo]

Bruh, it's not just about production when it comes to prospects. Ingram just doesn't pass the eye test the way Tatum does, when it comes to evaluating their potential down the line.

You need glasses.

[AirTupac]

Remember. This phenom dropped dropped 11 points yesterday. The way they talk about him is hilarious :oldlol: :oldlol:

Meanwhile Brandon had his 4th 20 point game in a row in a span where he had better efficiency that SHAQ AND YAO MING :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[JohnnySic]

You're right, and I acknowledged that a couple of posts above.


Tatum has more value. Watch where that takes em though, that boy ain't ever gonna be a star. Great player, but he ain't ever gonna a be the leader, much like you guys knock the Lakers players for the same exact reason.


Bro you saw that dumbass celtics fan think a trade centered around brown and rozier is much more valuable than the Lakers farm, these guys are beyond delusional.
Brown has just as much value as Kuzma and Ingram. Sorry not sorry, but its true.

The main thing is the picks though. No one knows where they'll fall. The lottery format changes in case you didn't know.

[raprap]

Demps declined to the godfather offer bec of Tatum lmao

What an idiot. You don

[LoneyROY7]

You need glasses.

So does the rest of the NBA universe need them as well, since it's a clear consensus that Tatum is without a doubt the better prospect?

[JohnnySic]

Jabari in his 3rd year put up 20/6/3 on 49% FG and was a negative most nights he stepped on court lmao. This PTS/REB/AST and FG% analysis of these guys is beyond stupid :oldlol:
Because they are trolling for clickbait. This Airtupac guy is connected to the site somehow and has at least 10 alts that I've identified. Dont even bother responding. :oldlol:

[AirTupac]

Lol @ this retard mentioning Brown in the same breath as Ingram and Kuzma.

The guy dropping 12/4 on 43%? The kids a Josh Jackson

[Smook A.]

That's a whole lot they're willing to give up. Basically all of their depth

[zeerghit]

Lol @ this retard mentioning Brown in the same breath as Ingram and Kuzma.

The guy dropping 12/4 on 43%? The kids a Josh Jackson
dude why u showing stats? if i gonna show u lebron/kobe stats whats gonna happen?

[LoneyROY7]

I just wanna hear from Laker fans themselves who watch every game what they find impressive about Ingram.

Is it his slow-footed drives? The lack of range on his jumpshot? Is it the fact that a turnaround mid-range jumper is his go to move? The guy's got length...that's his defining trait.

But enlighten me, as a Lakers fan, what makes Ingram such an impressive prospect?

[Bosnian Sajo]

Brown has just as much value as Kuzma and Ingram. Sorry not sorry, but its true.

The main thing is the picks though. No one knows where they'll fall. The lottery format changes in case you didn't know.

Bruh, Marcus ****ing Morris is better and gets more touches than brown.

You're trolling at this point, either that or you're absolutely clueless.

[AirTupac]

Brown is not in the same sphere as any of those 3 players. If you think otherwise, well then it just exemplifies how fukkking dumb you must be.

[Bosnian Sajo]

I just wanna hear from Laker fans themselves who watch every game what they find impressive about Ingram.

Is it his slow-footed drives? The lack of range on his jumpshot? Is it the fact that a turnaround mid-range jumper is his go to move? The guy's got length...that's his defining trait.

But enlighten me, as a Lakers fan, what makes Ingram such an impressive prospect?

I've watched 80% of the Lakers game this year. Ingram has his negatives, but you guys criminally underrate him

[JohnnySic]

Bruh, Marcus ****ing Morris is better and gets more touches than brown.

You're trolling at this point, either that or you're absolutely clueless.
Uh Morris is a damn good player. What's your point? Put Morris on the Lakers and he's a starter eating away at Kuzma's and Ingram's minutes.

[LoneyROY7]

I've watched 80% of the Lakers game this year. Ingram has his negatives, but you guys criminally underrate him

And I'm asking you to tell me what makes him impressive to you then. I'm all ears.

Ingram has length and a solid mid-range jumper going for him. What else?

[TheGreatDeraj]

WTF! No way. Terrible deal. Lakers shouldn't trade Ingram and Ball. They can have one. Lakers definitely shouldn't take back salary either.

Kuzma
Ingram
Rondo
Stephenson
Beasley
1st round pick

Take it or leave it. If they don't want it, they just wait until next year and the pressure will mount for a trade and Lakers leverage will get higher and higher.

Don't gut Lakers future and ruin cap flexibility. Lebron + AD isn't enough without other pieces.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Uh Morris is a damn good player. What's your point? Put Morris on the Lakers and he's a starter eating away at Kuzma's and Ingram's minutes.

You're a ****ing cheeseball :roll:

[kennethgriffen]

lebron is the biggest cancer in nba history

[Bosnian Sajo]

WTF! No way. Terrible deal. Lakers shouldn't trade Ingram and Ball. They can have one. Lakers definitely shouldn't take back salary either.

Kuzma
Ingram
Rondo
Stephenson
Beasley
1st round pick

Take it or leave it. If they don't want it, they just wait until next year and the pressure will mount for a trade and Lakers leverage will get higher and higher.

Don't gut Lakers future and ruin cap flexibility. Lebron + AD isn't enough without other pieces.

Bro why would the pelicans take this offer when they can get Marcus Morris and scawy tewy from Boston? And a couple of mid 1st round picks bruh. Not just any mid round picks, *bostons* picks :0


Celtic ****ing clowns. Cant wait to see yall get smoked in the weak east.

[Bosnian Sajo]

And I'm asking you to tell me what makes him impressive to you then. I'm all ears.

Ingram has length and a solid mid-range jumper going for him. What else?


He's a solid defensive player and can be a teams secondary playmaker.


Go watch some of his highlights bro, I've spent enough time going back and forth with yall. The kid legit just last week scored 36 points shooting 80% from the field.

What else do you need?

[TheGreatDeraj]

And I'm asking you to tell me what makes him impressive to you then. I'm all ears.

Ingram has length and a solid mid-range jumper going for him. What else?

Ingram has tons of potential. Already a good defender(can become great) and is very good at attacking the basket. Becoming very good at mid range and once he improves his 3ball and ball handling he's going to be scary on offense. He has the potential to do it all. Can be a very good 2 way player that can not only score and defend but also handle the rock, pass and rebound as well.

[IGOTGAME]

Ingram has tons of potential. Already a good defender(can become great) and is very good at attacking the basket. Becoming very good at mid range and once he improves his 3ball and ball handling he's going to be scary on offense. He has the potential to do it all. Can be a very good 2 way player that can not only score and defend but also handle the rock, pass and rebound as well.

Oh I see...you mean after he learns how to shoot and dribble. Got it. It's really crazy how Lakers fans hype up there own players....I say this as a Laker fan, Ingram is fools gold.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Uh Morris is a damn good player. What's your point? Put Morris on the Lakers and he's a starter eating away at Kuzma's and Ingram's minutes.

Kuzma is a better shooter AND offensive player than Morris could ever dream of.

You put Kuzma on Boston? Morris would be handing him cups of gatorade.

[Derka]

Not sure whose crazier, Magic for offering it or Demps for saying no. Is his dick really that hard for Tatum?

[bobopenguin]

if i can get AD in lakers, i am willing to trade my gal.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Jabari in his 3rd year put up 20/6/3 on 49% FG and was a negative most nights he stepped on court lmao. This PTS/REB/AST and FG% analysis of these guys is beyond stupid :oldlol:


So what would you like for us to use to compare? Do you wanna strictly talk advanced stats? Because if we talking advanced stats, Javale Mcgee blows all these young guys out the water with his 20 per. Beautiful advanced stats!


That's flawed too obviously, what other advanced stat would you like us to use? Or we gonna go back to eye test; in other words, our individual opinions based on who we've seen more of?


Pts/rbs/asts matter just as much as any other thing brought up thus far...

[TheGreatDeraj]

Oh I see...you mean after he learns how to shoot and dribble. Got it. It's really crazy how Lakers fans hype up there own players....I say this as a Laker fan, Ingram is fools gold.

Learn to shoot and dribble? Have you even seen him play? He can already dribble fairly well he just needs to fine tune his handling, it's a little loose and causes him to take extra dribbles to get to his spot. His shooting is already good in the paint and mid range, once he extends out to the 3 he's going to be very hard to stop. Plus he's showed a nice step back a couple times this season that will make him even more dangerous once he get more comfortable with it. I have been a Laker fan for a long time, I only hype players I see talent in.
There have been plenty that have come and gone that I didn't hype.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Oh I see...you mean after he learns how to shoot and dribble. Got it. It's really crazy how Lakers fans hype up there own players....I say this as a Laker fan, Ingram is fools gold.


So a mid range shot is no longer a shot? He doesn't know how to shoot because his 3pt percentage is down this year?


Got it.



He shot 47% from the field last year and 39% from three. This year, he's shooting 49% from the field and 29% from three. His 3 pt percentage has absolutly taken a dip, but to claim he needs to "learn how to shoot"?


These guys don't even put up solid arguments, you literally spew bull shit and then I gotta bring the facts just for you to keep spewing other bull shit.



Good bye.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Learn to shoot and dribble? Have you even seen him play? He can already dribble fairly well he just needs to fine tune his handling, it's a little loose and causes him to take extra dribbles to get to his spot. His shooting is already good in the paint and mid range, once he extends out to the 3 he's going to be very hard to stop. Plus he's showed a nice step back a couple times this season that will make him even more dangerous once he get more comfortable with it. I have been a Laker fan for a long time, I only hype players I see talent in.
There have been plenty that have come and gone that I didn't hype.


Don't bother bro, they don't have anything else to do today. It's after 5pm, we back from work, enjoy the rest of the day fam.

[Pointguard]

If its the Clippers, Knicks and Bucks they aren't getting anything better than Ingram and Kuz alone, without picks. The Lakers don't need to panic or rush. If New Orleans wants to play hardball let them get nothing in return. They already took AD off advertisements. They don't want to halt progress for a year to be spiteful. The Lakers need to start taking things off of the table tonight.

[Bosnian Sajo]

If its the Clippers, Knicks and Bucks they aren't getting anything better than Ingram and Kuz alone, without picks. The Lakers don't need to panic or rush. If New Orleans wants to play hardball let them get nothing in return. They already took AD off advertisements. They don't want to halt progress for a year to be spiteful. The Lakers need to start taking things off of the table tonight.


You say that and I agree, but Magic is off his HIV medication and literally offered Ingram, Kuzma, Ball, Rondo, Lance, Beasley, and 2 1st round picks for Davis and Solomon Hill.

[Milbuck]

So what would you like for us to use to compare? Do you wanna strictly talk advanced stats? Because if we talking advanced stats, Javale Mcgee blows all these young guys out the water with his 20 per. Beautiful advanced stats!


That's flawed too obviously, what other advanced stat would you like us to use? Or we gonna go back to eye test; in other words, our individual opinions based on who we've seen more of?


Pts/rbs/asts matter just as much as any other thing brought up thus far...
We should look at literally all the advanced numbers, not selecting one to prove a point either way, especially without context at all. We could also use the eye test, but there's way too much bias going on both ways here.

TS%, eFG%, WS/48, PER, BPM/VORP, RPM, RAPM, raw on/off, everything.

I'm sorry but PTS/REB/AST is just a bad way to evaluate players and we have way too many advanced numbers that shed light on their overall efficiency & impact to just look at the most basic box score numbers. Even a loser like Wiggins once averaged 24 ppg on 45% FG. But the advanced numbers are what pained the true picture of his actual value as a player.

[Bosnian Sajo]

We should look at literally all the advanced numbers, not selecting one to prove a point either way. As well as the eye test, but there's way too much bias going on both ways here.

TS%, eFG%, WS/48, PER, BPM/VORP, RPM, RAPM, raw on/off, everything.

I'm sorry but PTS/REB/AST is just a bad way to evaluate players and we have way too many advanced numbers that shed light on their overall efficiency & impact to just look at the most basic box score numbers. Even a loser like Wiggins once averaged 24 ppg on 45% FG. But the advanced numbers are what pained the true picture of his actual value as a player.

No no, I respect it. Lets do it. I'll literally grab all the stats and type em out nicely for you, just name the players you want me to compare.


Sick of the disrespect yall give to Ingram/Kuzma.

[PeroAntic]

lebron is the biggest cancer in nba history
all that needs to be said here tbh. the Lakers organization is fn retarded. doesnt even matter if Ingram is better than Tatum or not, this is just absurd way of going about things.

[LoneyROY7]

He's a solid defensive player and can be a teams secondary playmaker.


Go watch some of his highlights bro, I've spent enough time going back and forth with yall. The kid legit just last week scored 36 points shooting 80% from the field.

What else do you need?

What else do you need? It's about how he's getting those buckets.

He's not particularly athletic...especially considering what other guys his size and taller are doing around the league. He's not quick, he lacks range, and he's not any kind of special ball handler.

Those are all integral traits needed for a player to have elite potential in this league.

Yes, Ingram can have an efficient 30 point night when he's hitting all his mid-range jumpers, but that's not a consistent way to be elite and effective in today's NBA.

[TheGreatDeraj]

Bro why would the pelicans take this offer when they can get Marcus Morris and scawy tewy from Boston? And a couple of mid 1st round picks bruh. Not just any mid round picks, *bostons* picks :0


Celtic ****ing clowns. Cant wait to see yall get smoked in the weak east.

Celtics have good pieces don't get me wrong. I'm very high on Tatum and Brown, I just think Ingram>Tatum and Kuzma>Brown.

I don't think AD wants Boston and don't think he will resign with Boston. Kyrie/Hayward plus less capspace is less enticing than Lebron/Ball with cap space for another big deal.

Plus I heard Davis will only resign with Lakers, Clippers, Bucks or Knicks and Lakers have the best pieces out of them.

[Milbuck]

No no, I respect it. Lets do it. I'll literally grab all the stats and type em out nicely for you, just name the players you want me to compare.


Sick of the disrespect yall give to Ingram/Kuzma.
We could start with Tatum/Ingram.

You don't even have to type it all out, bballref has a player comparison tool to compare seasons, so this season for both of them. Some of the impact numbers like on/off, RPM, RAPM, etc. you'd have to look up tho.

Anyways I'm not sure how I'm disrespecting Ingram/Kuzma. Not once here have I said they're trash as prospects or something.

[Bosnian Sajo]

We could start with Tatum/Ingram.

You don't even have to type it all out, bballref has a player comparison tool to compare seasons, so this season for both of them. Some of the impact numbers like on/off, RPM, RAPM, etc. you'd have to look up tho.

Anyways I'm not sure how I'm disrespecting Ingram/Kuzma. Not once here have I said they're trash as prospects or something.

Bro not so much you, it's the other guys. Look at their posts and tell me they ain't trolling tf outta Lakers fans.

[Milbuck]

Bro not so much you, it's the other guys. Look at their posts and tell me they ain't trolling tf outta Lakers fans.
Fair enough. I generally don't even seriously respond to trolls either way, unless they directly call me out like AirTupac lol. We've had posters on here legit claim Khris Middleton is a more valuable player for the Bucks than Giannis lmao. It's best to just ignore them.

[Nash]

I think Lakers giving away way too much.

Best thing NOLA could get is:

Siakam and OG Ananouby(until Thursday, no deal happening in summer if Kawhi leaves)

or Jaylen Brown and Rozier.

And honestly, the Lakers offer is way more valuable than that.
The rest don't have better assets or are not on AD's list.

I don't know what is true or not but I think NOLA could really regret this if they wait until the summer. At that point its not even a 2 playoffs rental, it's only 1. And depending on where Kawhi and Kyrie are next year, they could even risk there being no offers at all from those two.

Also, why do people assume Lakers offer 'will be there' during the summer? It won't, they'll have less incentive to give away all of those guys. They'll be fully invested in the free agency and could potential wait for AD to get 'rented' out somewhere and pick him up next summer or for 10cents on the dollar during next trade deadline.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Fair enough. I generally don't even seriously respond to trolls either way, unless they directly call me out like AirTupac lol. We've had posters on here legit claim Khris Middleton is a more valuable player for the Bucks than Giannis lmao. It's best to just ignore them.

Oh I ignore em, I stopped posting on ISH completely. It's just with the AD talks, I'll be on blecher report and see some shit, then go to see what the Lakers fans saying here on ISH and that's where I usually make my mistake :lol


Funny thing is, I've always respected the Celtics young players. It's their shitty ****ing fans that make me hate them.


Anyways, here's a link comparing Ingram/Tatum/Kuz/Zo/Brown/Rozier. The one thing I'd like to point out is the win share - with the Lakers struggling with injuries and the Celtics being out east, I would not use that as a comparison.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Brandon+Ingram&player_id1_select=Brandon+Ingram&player_id1=ingrabr01&y1=2019&player_id2_hint=Jayson+Tatum&player_id2_select=Jayson+Tatum&player_id2=tatumja01&y2=2019&player_id3_hint=Kyle+Kuzma&player_id3_select=Kyle+Kuzma&player_id3=kuzmaky01&y3=2019&player_id4_hint=Jaylen+Brown&player_id4_select=Jaylen+Brown&player_id4=brownja02&y4=2019&player_id5_hint=Lonzo+Ball&player_id5_select=Lonzo+Ball&player_id5=balllo01&y5=2019&player_id6_hint=Terry+Rozier&player_id6_select=Terry+Rozier&player_id6=roziete01&y6=2019

[JohnnySic]

Kuzma is a better shooter AND offensive player than Morris could ever dream of.

You put Kuzma on Boston? Morris would be handing him cups of gatorade.
I seriously doubt it. I liken Kuzma to a poor man's Antawn Jamison. Good player. But if he's your best player or 2nd best or even 3rd best in most cases, you're not winning dick.

If he was as good as you think, you could build the AD trade around him. But you cant, because he's not.

No, I'm not trolling.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Ima be frank with you, idk wtf half those stats even mean, nor should I. Ball having an OBPM of -0.8 and Tatum having a OBPM of -0.9 means absolutely nothing to me.

[PP34Deuce]

I seriously doubt it. I liken Kuzma to a poor man's Antwan Jamison. Good player. But if he's your best player or 2nd best or even 3rd best in most cases, you're not winning dick.

If he was as good as you think, you could build the AD trade around him. But you cant, because he's not.

No, I'm not trolling.


I was just saying to some people he reminds me of Jamison. Scorer. average at everything else but can always put the ball in the hoop. He's young and seems to want to be a better all around player but yea he reminds me of young Jamison.

Even his movements. Floaters, post play, finishing is all Jamison.

[bladefd]

How though? Taking Hill back would kill their max FA money right? And they'd be out multiple firsts as well as all their meaningful young players (except Hart I guess, who is also overrated) as trade chips.

Yeah, it would leave about 21mill in money unless if you can flip Solomon Hill.

I guess you can find a taker for Hill + Hart in summer to free up 15mill.. Then you can sign another max player.. Still no depth.

[Ben Simmons 25]

Yeah, it would leave about 21mill in money unless if you can flip Solomon Hill.

I guess you can find a taker for Hill + Hart in summer to free up 15mill.. Then you can sign another max player.. Still no depth.

Hart is not enough to get people to cough up cap space in the form of Hill. I don't believe it. And the Lakers will have no further assets to move in conjunction with the two to end up clearing cap space...

However, that being said... entertaining that idea...

If the Lakers could add a third star to go along with LeBron & AD, I am confident that they would be the #1 destination for ring chasing vets, for multiple reasons. They would have no problem filling out the roster if they could get that third guy.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I seriously doubt it. I liken Kuzma to a poor man's Antawn Jamison. Good player. But if he's your best player or 2nd best or even 3rd best in most cases, you're not winning dick.

If he was as good as you think, you could build the AD trade around him. But you cant, because he's not.

No, I'm not trolling.

There's nothing to doubt here.

Kuzma is a second or third option. Nobody is arguing that you'd build around him. Its why the Lakers are including him in a package with other players, Ingram included.

That doesn't change the fact Morris would be Kuzma's waterboy in Boston.

[bladefd]

Hart is not enough to get people to cough up cap space in the form of Hill. I don't believe it. And the Lakers will have no further assets to move in conjunction with the two to end up clearing cap space...

However, that being said... entertaining that idea...

If the Lakers could add a third star to go along with LeBron & AD, I am confident that they would be the #1 destination for ring chasing vets, for multiple reasons. They would have no problem filling out the roster if they could get that third guy.

Lakers have Svi and Wagner too. Both have value and could be added.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Lakers have Svi and Wagner too. Both have value and could be added.

Trade the Lakers name too, while you're at it.

[AI09]

Lakers are impatient and are not trusting the process

[34-24 Footwork]

Good lord we're fvcked beyond relief if this shit goes thru.

Oh well. Fvck it all at this point.

We've given away everyone.

[34-24 Footwork]

Ima be frank with you, idk wtf half those stats even mean, nor should I. Ball having an OBPM of -0.8 and Tatum having a OBPM of -0.9 means absolutely nothing to me.

Dont go down that dark road bro. Seems like it's a point of no return. Lol.

[34-24 Footwork]

People shitting on Ingram reminds me a LOT of how they shitted on Randle and were CONVINCED that he was garbage.

We do have a stupid fvcking fanbase. Half of the Kobe stans here would've traded that nikka after the Utah series :lol

Impatient af and have no concept of development. This is why Golden State taken a slow, chunky sh1t on our franchise.

[thefatmiral]

The lakers need to chillax. Davis is going to show up next year anyway. Might as well rest lebron for the season.

[ImKobe]

People shitting on Ingram reminds me a LOT of how they shitted on Randle and were CONVINCED that he was garbage.

We do have a stupid fvcking fanbase. Half of the Kobe stans here would've traded that nikka after the Utah series :lol

Impatient af and have no concept of development. This is why Golden State taken a slow, chunky sh1t on our franchise.

Has Randle helped the Pelicans win this season? They are worse than they were last year despite his numbers. I would have loved for him to stay, but I was worried about his motivation after getting paid, he was lazy as **** the year before and got in the best shape of his life for his contract year. He was a good player for us, but the money he demanded probably wasn't worth it with us having two max slots. I'd rather have Lebron and another max player over Lebron, Randle and just a starter.

Golden State got ****ing lucky with the Curry pick, Timberwolves picked two PGs before him which has gone down as one of the worst Drafts by a lottery team in history. Curry and Klay were both easy picks to make and shined early, Warriors almost traded Curry away when he was struggling with his ankles.

I'm not a fan of trading any of our young pieces, but I'd be willing to let go of two out of the three for Anthony Davis. I think all three are all-stars at some point in the future but Davis is a generational talent.


The lakers need to chillax. Davis is going to show up next year anyway. Might as well rest lebron for the season.

Davis isn't a FA until 2020..we don't have the time to wait this season and the next with Lebron's age. We made the move of signing him and now we have to go in win mode or it's a complete failure. Kuz, Zo and BI won't all be able to develop with him in LA so we have to let at least one go. Lebron being here hurts Zo the most.

[KOBEtherealKing]

Magic and pelinka :facepalm

[qrich]

Davis to LA may have hit a snag. The Pelicans want a bigger haul for Lonzo Ball going to Suns. Pelicans have asked for either Phoenix's Top 5 protected 2019 FRP or unprotected 2020 FRP. Phoenix does not want to give a first and has only offered Josh Jackson and a 2nd.

[RealSkipBayless]

Not worth it.

Boston is not as big a threat as Woj makes them out to be. Decent chance that Kyrie leaves. In that scenario there is no way that Boston would put out a big offer for AD. He already didn't put Boston down as a team he would resign with, no chance he is interested staying there for Horford, Hayward and Smart. :lol

Lonzo Zubac Ingram Kuzma are the main pieces. Offer New Orleans there choice of 2 of them + a pick + cap filler. That's it. If they'd rather take Siakam or some lower offer to stick to LA, let them.

Lakers have no reason to push all their chips in. Big free agents this summer and its unlikely that the other teams (Bucks, Clippers, Knicks) could outbid them in the offseason.

[JohnnySic]

I would take Siakam and VanVleet in a millisecond over anything the Lakers could offer.

Just some ideas:

The Bucks could do Middleton/Bledsoe/Maker etc...

The Magic could do Gordon/Isaac/Bamba etc...

So many possibilities...

[KOBEtherealKing]

The magic are 22-31 yet Gordon/Isaac and no bamba would be better :confusedshrug:

[Kingwillball]

Laker fans once again I know it is hard to get rid of half the team with a bunch of young upside guys BUT u get AD that

[brownmamba00]

This is ridiculous. They're shipping off the whole damn team. Do they really think they can win in the western conference without a good backcourt?

[ImKobe]

The magic are 22-31 yet Gordon/Isaac and no bamba would be better :confusedshrug:

Orlando could actually make a great offer but AD ain't gonna re-sign there so :confusedshrug:

[PickernRoller]

The only thing that no longer has an upside is Lebron James and should be discarded as such to make room for Kawhi or KD.

Fvck Magic a billion times for screwing us over with the Lebron contract.

[Doranku]

They wouldn't have a single point guard on their roster. :oldlol:

Their depth chart would be frightening

???/???
Hart/KCP/Svi
Bran/Hill
AD/Williams
Zubac/McGee

[brownmamba00]

They wouldn't have a single point guard on their roster. :oldlol:

Their depth chart would be frightening

???/???
Hart/KCP/Svi
Bran/Hill
AD/Williams
Zubac/McGee
Zubac and Hart are quality starters on paper. They might go after the grizzlies point guard. I can see magic doing some dumb shit like that.

[Bosnian Sajo]

I would take Siakam and VanVleet in a millisecond over anything the Lakers could offer.

Just some ideas:

The Bucks could do Middleton/Bledsoe/Maker etc...

The Magic could do Gordon/Isaac/Bamba etc...

So many possibilities...

This dude is such a ****ing clown :oldlol: