now that i've been proven right. would you rather have Kobe Bryant... or Lebron James

[kennethgriffen]

simple question...


20 years with one franchise. double jersey retirement. 5 championships. winning finals record. MVP chants


vs


16 years burning bridges and destroying franchises 4 separate times. might get his jersey retired in cleveland. 3 for 9. lebrons gonna trade you/overrated chants

[kennethgriffen]

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[Mr. Jabbar]

No1 in their right mind would pick LeLocust over Kobe...

[Manny98]

The one who LED his team to more championships and didn't ride the coatails of MDE for half of his rings

The one who didn't miss the playoffs in his absolute prime

The one who didn't get swept by Jason Terry

The one who didn't choke a 3-1 lead in the 1st round

The one who has won more MVPs

[ImKobe]

The one who LED his team to more championships and didn't ride the coatails of MDE for half of his rings

The one who didn't miss the playoffs in his absolute prime

The one who didn't get swept by Jason Terry

The one who didn't choke a 3-1 lead in the 1st round

The one who has won more MVPs

Kobe averaged more ppg in the 2001 & 2002 Playoffs than Lebron in 2013 and 2016. Kobe for 01 & 02 POs: 28 ppg, Lebron in 2013 & 2016: 26 ppg.

So Lebron only has one legitimate title to Kobe's two.

[kennethgriffen]

The one who LED his team to more championships and didn't ride the coatails of MDE for half of his rings

The one who didn't miss the playoffs in his absolute prime

The one who didn't get swept by Jason Terry

The one who didn't choke a 3-1 lead in the 1st round

The one who has won more MVPs


1. lebrons about to miss the playoffs after his so called "best season ever" and missing about the same number of games kobe missed in 2005. no excuses i guess

2. terry embarrassed peak lebron after beating an injured older kobe that needed surgery and was playing 30mpg that season

3. lebrons choked 2 gold medals away, 2 number 1 seeds away, 8 finals away and was saved in 2 of them by ray allen, kyrie irving and adam silver

4. i guess steve nash is better than kobe, shaq, hakeem, oscar

[sportjames23]

Kobe, come back and save this franchise.

[coin24]

Kobe is a champion and a fantastic handsome human being.

Bran is an all around piece of shit

[Shaquille O'Neal]

I hated, and I mean HATED Kobe when he played since A) I'm anti-Lakers and B) He was such a wannabe Micheal impersonator (poor man's at that), but:


No question Kobe is the correct answer. Lebron has gone full retard.

[dbugz]

hate both but Kobe is way way better.

[Foster5k]

I picked Lebron.

Kobe is an all time great player. He's one of the most skilled players to ever play the game. He also needed Shaq. Without Shaq, he needed Gasol, Bynum, Odom, and Phil Jackson. As he aged, he declined faster than Lebron.

However, Lebron has stood the test of time. At age 34, he's still arguably the best player in the league. When Lebron was given Wade and Bosh, he won multiple championships. When he was given Kyrie and Love, he won a championship. He's carried scrubs to the finals year after year.

Lebron's singular impact, on any NBA team, is a step above that of Kobe's.

[kennethgriffen]

I picked Lebron.

Kobe is an all time great player. He's one of the most skilled players to ever play the game. He also needed Shaq. Without Shaq, he needed Gasol, Bynum, Odom, and Phil Jackson. As he aged, he declined faster than Lebron.

However, Lebron has stood the test of time. At age 34, he's still arguably the best player in the league. When Lebron was given Wade and Bosh, he won multiple championships. When he was given Kyrie and Love, he won a championship. He's carried scrubs to the finals year after year.

Lebron's singular impact, on any NBA team, is a step above that of Kobe's.


needing gasol isn't a negative... theres only 4 legends in history that won a title with lesser all time wingmen



- dennis johnson
- bill walton
- hakeem olajuwon
- rick barry


and kobe did it twice

[3ball]

I picked Lebron.

Kobe is an all time great player. He's one of the most skilled players to ever play the game. He also needed Shaq. Without Shaq, he needed Gasol, Bynum, Odom, and Phil Jackson. As he aged, he declined faster than Lebron.

However, Lebron has stood the test of time. At age 34, he's still arguably the best player in the league. When Lebron was given Wade and Bosh, he won multiple championships. When he was given Kyrie and Love, he won a championship. He's carried scrubs to the finals year after year.

Lebron's singular impact, on any NBA team, is a step above that of Kobe's.
Stop deluding yourself with comforting comments

.. this isn't ESPN here..

Lebron is not the best player in the league - Gianni's, harden, Durant, curry and others are clearly better..

[aj1987]

LeBron is a top 3 GOAT. Brick is top 15 on a good day. Not a difficult choice.

[superduper]

LeBron is a top 3 GOAT. Brick is top 15 on a good day. Not a difficult choice.

I found the sheeple

[kennethgriffen]

LeBron is a top 3 GOAT. Brick is top 15 on a good day. Not a difficult choice.


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[aj1987]

I found the sheeple
And I just found the retard.


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And?

[kennethgriffen]

And I just found the retard.


And?



hes a cancer. he hurts franchises more than he helps them. for every 1 title his teammates fluke out for him he leaves 2 on the table

hes buried a franchise 4 consecutive times in a row. his numbers are forced and at the detriment to his team. hes killed the legacies of others and proven hes an agenda driven racist cheater

he uses steroids

he never won a clean ring

his narratives are debunked

hes a loser. a product of the shitty eastern conference throughout his career

he cant make any team a contender

he cant make any group a playoff team

he cant play defense

he cant lead

hes "toxic"

hes a admitted colluding ring chaser

and now hes a journeyman with zero respect


you lose

its over

get a new hobby

[FKAri]

LeBron 10 times out of 10. Ok maybe 9.

[PP34Deuce]

So both came out of straight out of high school.


Lebron James even with his blunders is the safest bet. 5 titles is incredible and Magic johnson is another that can share that.

3 with 2 different teams and constant success while bringing in viewership from both beloved and hated is more value to a franchise. If I'm an executive I'd take Lebron. You win, you're competitive, and you make a boat load of money.

Basketball purist you're entitled to choose Kobe. It's a valid argument. But as a business man? Most business man can't be as emotional as some of you. Lebron equals success on and off the court.

[The Iron Fist]

LeBron 10 times out of 10. Ok maybe 9.
Not a bad choice if you prefer to lose more.

[aj1987]

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
tl;dr - Lebron is a top 3 GOAT and Brick is top 15 on a good day.

[FKAri]

Not a bad choice if you prefer to lose more.
Results based analysis? You should avoid getting into business or investing.

[3ball]

So both came out of straight out of high school.


Lebron James even with his blunders is the safest bet. 5 titles is incredible and Magic johnson is another that can share that.

3 with 2 different teams and constant success while bringing in viewership from both beloved and hated is more value to a franchise. If I'm an executive I'd take Lebron. You win, you're competitive, and you make a boat load of money.

Basketball purist you're entitled to choose Kobe. It's a valid argument. But as a business man? Most business man can't be as emotional as some of you. Lebron equals success on and off the court.
With lebron, you need to find 2 other stars for him

Whereas kobe had superior skill to fit into a system that yielded better teamwork, so he needed less talent (only 1 other star needed to win

Kobe's superior skill and teamwork makes him easier to build around.. whereas it's a bitch to build around lebron/harden-ball and that limited skillset (ball-dominance)

[The Iron Fist]

Results based analysis? You should avoid getting into business or investing.

You should avoid trying to paint lebron as something hes not. The Lakers were able to overpay lebron because of Kobes impact. Kobe is respected and admired worldwide. Lebron only gets that in basements.

['Toine=MVP]

It's a loaded question of course, but for a hometown fan, clearly Kobe's career choices would be far far preferable to LeBron's. Kobe did run the best player to ever wear a Lakers uniform out of town, but he only had a few near prime seasons left anyway.

[red1]

Lakers :(

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[lilteapot]

Even though Lebron is the better player, give me Kobe for his on-court effort and leadership.

I mean Kobe's leadership from 2008 onwards, definitely not how he was before then.

[3ball]

Even though Lebron is the better player, give me Kobe for his on-court effort and leadership.

I mean Kobe's leadership from 2008 onwards, definitely not how he was before then.
kobe had superior skill that fit into a system to yield better teamwork, so he needed less talent (only 1 other star needed to win; lebron needed 2)

Kobe's superior skill and teamwork makes him easier to build around.. whereas it's a bitch to build around lebron/harden-ball and that limited skillset (ball-dominance)

[Walk on Water]

Results based analysis? You should avoid getting into business or investing.

Stop painting Lebron what he isn

[kennethgriffen]

tl;dr - Lebron is a top 3 GOAT and Brick is top 15 on a good day.

hes a cancer. he hurts franchises more than he helps them. for every 1 title his teammates fluke out for him he leaves 2 on the table

hes buried a franchise 4 consecutive times in a row. his numbers are forced and at the detriment to his team. hes killed the legacies of others and proven hes an agenda driven racist cheater

he uses steroids

he never won a clean ring

his narratives are debunked

hes a loser. a product of the shitty eastern conference throughout his career

he cant make any team a contender

he cant make any group a playoff team

he cant play defense

he cant lead

hes "toxic"

hes a admitted colluding ring chaser

and now hes a journeyman with zero respect


you lose

its over

get a new hobby

[aj1987]

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
tl;dr - Lebron is a top 3 GOAT and Brick is top 15 on a good day.

[kennethgriffen]

tl;dr - Lebron is a top 3 GOAT and Brick is top 15 on a good day.


no east = no playoffs

:lol





narratives =

DEBUNKED

[aj1987]

no east = no playoffs

:lol
No Pau/Shaq = No HOF

[Marchesk]

I'd rather have Harden or Curry in this three point chucking era, TBH

[PP34Deuce]

With lebron, you need to find 2 other stars for him

Whereas kobe had superior skill to fit into a system that yielded better teamwork, so he needed less talent (only 1 other star needed to win

Kobe's superior skill and teamwork makes him easier to build around.. whereas it's a bitch to build around lebron/harden-ball and that limited skillset (ball-dominance)


With Lebron you're always competitive. mention conference parity, etc, you don't dominate a conference and win titles not being a generational talent. You're looking at it from a purist standpoint and that's a valid argument.

But emotions and nostalgia don't mean shit to dollar signs and team value. The Lakers were valued high before Kobe. The Cavs climbed up in value and he's still won a lot of games and shown what he can do.

Not going to debate with you until you get in the right mind frame, minus the emotion or trolling.

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe dominating.

I knew it would happen as Bran aged and went to the West.

It's over.

[kennethgriffen]

No Pau/Shaq = No HOF


winning with pau isn't a negative though. he was the 5th lowest rated championship wingman in history

[knicksman]

So both came out of straight out of high school.


Lebron James even with his blunders is the safest bet. 5 titles is incredible and Magic johnson is another that can share that.

3 with 2 different teams and constant success while bringing in viewership from both beloved and hated is more value to a franchise. If I'm an executive I'd take Lebron. You win, you're competitive, and you make a boat load of money.

Basketball purist you're entitled to choose Kobe. It's a valid argument. But as a business man? Most business man can't be as emotional as some of you. Lebron equals success on and off the court.

except that these owners are already rich before owning basketball teams. They dont own these teams for profit but for rings.

[aj1987]

winning with pau isn't a negative though. he was the 5th lowest rated championship wingman in history
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Again, lottery/first round exits without Shaq/Pau = No HOF for brick.

[knicksman]

Results based analysis? You should avoid getting into business or investing.


nah lebron is the safer choice coz of stats. Its you who should avoid getting into business.

[kennethgriffen]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Again, lottery/first round exits without Shaq/Pau = No HOF for brick.


so all kobe needed to make the playoffs in the west was kwame/smush


( lebron has a team way better than the 2006 or 2007 lakers and is about to miss the playoffs )


and all kobe needed was a boarderline allstar 18ppg soft big man to win back to back titles

( lebron needed multiple prime hall of famers for all 3 of his rings. wingman that were mvp calliber players themselves and 2 guys as his 3rd banana that were both on pau gasols level )


if you ask me kobe did more with less in both situations than lebron could

[Real14]

Definitely Kobe. Lebron would cry like a bitch with Smush parker as his pg:lol

[PickernRoller]

What's been set in motion has changed ISH forever for sure.

OP was right all along. Even I will admit this.

Here is to OP :cheers:

[aj1987]

so all kobe needed to make the playoffs in the west was kwame/smush
And Odom and the GOAT coach. Also, just 45 and 42 wins respectively. The Cavs with 42 wins missed the PO's in '05.



( lebron has a team way better than the 2006 or 2007 lakers and is about to miss the playoffs )
The teams was the #4 seed when he was healthy. A top 3 lottery team with him injured. That's the impact GOAT level players have. Something you Brick stans will never comprehend.


and all kobe needed was a boarderline allstar 18ppg soft big man to win back to back titles
Borderline All-Star? Pau was making All-NBA teams. 4x All-NBA, as a matter of fact. Lets not forget Ariza and Odom either. Doesn't take more than that to beat the ****ing Magic.


( lebron needed multiple prime hall of famers for all 3 of his rings. wingman that were mvp calliber players themselves and 2 guys as his 3rd banana that were both on pau gasols level )
LeBron in '12 went up against 2 All-Stars in WB and KD, 2 All-Def in Thabo and Ibaka, and the 6th MOY. This was with a hobbled Wade and Bosh. Brick never beat a team of that caliber in his life. In fact, he got embarrassed by the same team that year.


if you ask me kobe did more with less in both situations than lebron could
He did not. Kobe's team, relative to competition were stacked AF. You can't compare those teams to teams today, because to win a title this season a team has to beat the Warriors with KD, Klay, Curry, Dray, and Cousins.

That's 2 MVP's, a DPOY, an All-NBA SG, an All-NBA C, and an FMVP off the bench.

[PickernRoller]

Lol at LeTards always mentioning Phill. We know Bran and Phill would probably go to fists as soon as they're in the same room.

Phill was the one that put the word out on Lebron's posse. There has never ever been good blood between them.

But somehow Bran stans expect that Bran would do much better under Phill? Dude would have Phill shipped out by the all-star break and replaced with one of his toy boys. Sacrifice on the triangle? Give up PG duty? :oldlol: :oldlol:

A coach killer can't complain about having no great coach next to him.

[aj1987]

Mike Brown with LeBron - An elite coach who won COY

Mike Brown with Kobe - Got fired after a season and a couple of games

Mike D'Antoni with Nash/Harde - An elite coach who won multiple COY's

Mike D'Antoni with Kobe - Got fired after a season

Rudy T before Cancerbe - Elite coach with multiple championships

Rudy T with Cancerbe - Forced to resign and had to lie about it

[kennethgriffen]

Mike Brown with LeBron - An elite coach who won COY

Mike Brown with Kobe - Got fired after a season and a couple of games

Mike D'Antoni with Nash/Harde - An elite coach who won multiple COY's

Mike D'Antoni with Kobe - Got fired after a season

Rudy T before Cancerbe - Elite coach with multiple championships

Rudy T with Cancerbe - Forced to resign and had to lie about it


1. mike brown only knew how to coach defense and was a good fit with lebron because of lebrons ball dominant pounding system

the lakers were coming off of phils triangle and suddenly were told to just come up with something new on their own?

2. the lakers had a ton of injuries in 2013 but kobe had one of his best offensive years leading the lakers to the 2nd best record in the nba after the allstar break and tore his achilles. their failure in the playoffs was without him. him getting fired had to do with going 27-55 with pau as lead dog for 95% of the 2014 season

3. Rudy T had a 24-19 record in 2005. they were doing well. then injuries hit the lakers and they went into tank mode with hamblen the rest of the way





are you ever right about anything?

:lol

[aj1987]

1. mike brown only knew how to coach defense and was a good fit with lebron because of lebrons ball dominant pounding system
In '09 and '10 The Cavs were elite offensive teams. So, is Mike Brown a shit offensive coach or is LeBron a masterful offensive player? Make up your mind, little man.


the lakers were coming off of phils triangle and suddenly were told to just come up with something new on their own?
:roll: :roll:

This is literally the saddest and most pathetic excuse of all time. LeBron switched coaches mid season in '16 and then went on to beat a 73-9 team.


2. the lakers had a ton of injuries in 2013 but kobe had one of his best offensive years leading the lakers to the 2nd best record in the nba after the allstar break and tore his achilles. their failure in the playoffs was without him. him getting fired had to do with going 27-55 with pau as lead dog for 95% of the 2014 season
Literally the only reason why the Lakers even made the PO's is because of GOAT level rigging by the NBA to get them into the PO's. Pau also missed 22 games that season and the only three players to play over 70 games that season were Wesley Johnson (79), Jodie Meeks (77), and Jordan Hill (72).

As I said, Kobe is a cancerous coach killer.


3. Rudy T had a 24-19 record in 2005. they were doing well. then injuries hit the lakers and they went into tank mode with hamblen the rest of the way
Are you ****ing retarded? Wait. That's a redundant question.

Rudy T was trying to implement his schemes and Kobe, in practices, insisted on implementing schemes from the Triangle, by scrapping Rudy T's schemes. Then, abruptly, Rudy was forced to resign (in other words, he was fired, because Buss was bending over backwards for Kobe). One of the reasons why he was given a $10M settlement.

Kobe was also the reason why Phil even left the Lakers in the first place.

Kobe has also had like 8 coaches in his career.


are you ever right about anything?

:lol
If you can prove that I'm wrong, then go ahead. I'll hold the L. If not, STFU and move on.