Man sues parents for giving birth to him

[tpols]

link (http://amp.timeinc.net/time/5524869/india-anti-natalism-sue-parents)

[QUOTE]
A 27-year-old Indian businessman is planning to sue his parents for bringing him into the world without his consent.

The BBC reports that Raphael Samuel from Mumbai[COLOR="Red"][B] identifies as

[ArbitraryWater]

this is the weirdest, dumbest shit i've ever heard

[dude77]

raphael samuel ? lol

[kennethgriffen]

seriously though. when you really think about it


what gives anyone the right to bring a life into this world and place the burden of responsibility on their shoulders, force them to experience emotional and physical pain



you're basically a murderer by giving someone life with inevitable mortality



makes sense. the only neutral thing to do is never procreate

[ArbitraryWater]

seriously though. when you really think about it


what gives anyone the right to bring a life into this world and place the burden of responsibility on their shoulders, force them to experience emotional and physical pain



you're basically a murderer by giving someone life with inevitable mortality



makes sense. the only neutral thing to do is never procreate

just cause thats your life doesnt mean its an automatic by-product of life


and it should be very obvious that humans weren't meant to live a one generation cycle and then leave the planet empty

we're built to re-produce

[kennethgriffen]

just cause thats your life doesnt mean its an automatic by-product of life


there isn't a single human with a conscience that hasn't experienced emotional and physical pain

[TheMan]

there isn't a single human with a conscience that hasn't experienced emotional and physical pain
You're sounding like such a whiny little bitch :facepalm

[kennethgriffen]

You're sounding like such a whiny little bitch :facepalm


i'm part of the problem. i have a daughter. i'm a murderer


i have to live with myself.


you don't know what its like


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-25-2014/0KX4OY.gif

[Prometheus]

You're sounding like such a whiny little bitch :facepalm

What he said is 100% undeniable truth though. So no, not really.

[ArbitraryWater]

there isn't a single human with a conscience that hasn't experienced emotional and physical pain

So?

Only on ISH would someone understand raphael samuels :lol


What he said is 100% undeniable truth though. So no, not really.

well, you just became a retard in everyone's eyes

edit: sry :(

[nathanjizzle]

He has a point. 99.999 percent of the time when parents decide to have babies, they are doing it for selfish reasons being that it enriches their own lives with purpose and disregarding wether the childs life will be good enough that its worth living, often it is not, just like the man in the OP. so many people commit suicide every year. If theres ever a fact that would reinforce that living entails suffering so much that its not worth living than that would be it.

[Prometheus]

well, you just became a retard in everyone's eyes

edit: sry :(

Are you suggesting that there are people who live their entire lives without ever experiencing emotional and physical pain?

You can't be that stupid. I know you enough to know that.

P.S. Where are you from?

[Wally450]

Put a gun to his head and shoot him them.

[Patrick Chewing]

Definitely a Liberal. Most likely an ISH member.

[jongib369]

https://pics.me.me/existence-is-pain-21858919.png


https://youtu.be/M8anmLUWGIg

[stalkerforlife]

He has a good point.

I feel bad for my kids.

[Overdrive]

well, you just became a retard in everyone's eyes

edit: sry :(

It isn't the truth?

[ArbitraryWater]

It isn't the truth?

It is, but the argument still doesn't suffice by even a nanometer, don't you agree? :lol

[egokiller]

What he said is 100% undeniable truth though. So no, not really.

You and kenneth are not wrong.

TheMan is struggling with the truth and is triggered by it instead of accepting it.


He has a point. 99.999 percent of the time when parents decide to have babies, they are doing it for selfish reasons being that it enriches their own lives with purpose and disregarding wether the childs life will be good enough that its worth living, often it is not, just like the man in the OP. so many people commit suicide every year. If theres ever a fact that would reinforce that living entails suffering so much that its not worth living than that would be it.

I have no problem with those who have kids that are doing what is needed to raise them. The issue is when people have kids to live vicariously through them. Get your shit right, then have the kids.

[tpols]

we're built to re-produce


Everything is. Were just the first to have awareness of why we do it.

Really, it should be done because having a family and good relationships leads to happy life. Your genes and lineage are microscopic on the universal scale and will have existed for a blink.

[TheMan]

You and kenneth are not wrong.

TheMan is struggling with the truth and is triggered by it instead of accepting it.



I have no problem with those who have kids that are doing what is needed to raise them. The issue is when people have kids to live vicariously through them. Get your shit right, then have the kids.
I'm triggered because people are complaining because life is hard...okay.

Man up you *******.

And that has to be the dumbest reason to sue anyone ever, explain to me exactly how you're gonna get consent from a person who isn't born yet...da fuq :facepalm

[Overdrive]

It is, but the argument still doesn't suffice by even a nanometer, don't you agree? :lol

Yeah, it's stupid beyond believe. But any shithead's story and attention seeking attempt is shared by millions these days.

[red1]

expert level attention-whoring very timely argument.



the rise and fame of bhad babie has made me lose faith in all humanity. maybe we really should've never been born. :biggums:

[LostCause]

This is incredibly stupid

Are people really defending this guy? It's one thing to Target deadbeat parents or parents ill-prepared to raise a child. This guy's parents are BOTH lawyers and he didn't say anything about abuse or mistreatment from them. Defending that is just idiotic

[hold this L]

He clearly didn't get enough ass beatings as a kid to pull this shit.

[MaxFly]

This is incredibly stupid

Are people really defending this guy? It's one thing to Target deadbeat parents or parents ill-prepared to raise a child. This guy's parents are BOTH lawyers and he didn't say anything about abuse or mistreatment from them. Defending that is just idiotic

I suspect most of the posts in this thread are sarcastic in nature.

[Rocket]

wow

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

I don't think people ITT are really wrapping their heads around how much preferable it is to EXIST than to not exist.

[tpols]

I don't think people ITT are really quite understanding or wrapping their heads around with how much preferable it is to EXIST than to not exist.


Not disagreeing but how do you know?

Tell us about your experiences not existing.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Not disagreeing but how do you know?

Tell us about your experiences not existing.

Imagining nothingness. But even then there's the imaginer...

[tpols]

Imagining nothingness. But even then there's the imaginer...


How can you percieve nothing if you are nothing?

Or is everything constantly changing and reassimilating and nothing doesn't exist?

:biggums:

[Ben Simmons 25]

If this is all a big nothing and without God, and your personality is based on genetics and environmental factors, are any thoughts and actions genuinely "yours" or are they just uncontrollable "natural" chemical reactions playing out?

D:

People really don't like the idea that they're not in control, but... no matter how you slice it, creator, no creator, purpose, no purpose... they are not in control.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

seriously though. when you really think about it


what gives anyone the right to bring a life into this world and place the burden of responsibility on their shoulders, force them to experience emotional and physical pain

You bring up a good point, Kenny. Life is certainly full of suffering and bringing a new life in this world.

However, you should know that what happened with your daughter was unavoidable. That what is going to happen--was written far before you were born.

You can't let these regrets hamper you from moving forward.




you're basically a murderer by giving someone life with inevitable mortality

Now this is a mentality poisoned with the darkness of disbelief. It is constricting to the soul, morbid, depressing. It's true in the perspective of a non-believer whose heart/mind are a certain way; it is injustice and a huge insult to God's mercy in the perspective of a believer.

Now, when you believe--you realize that you can be reunited with your loved ones forever in Heaven/Jannah. And that is easily within God's power to do so.
This is a lie/fairy tales to a disbeliever who denies God, but this is the Truth to a believer who knows God's promise of the Afterlife.

And belief is something you got to work on attaining. It's not something that is just "given" to you. And I admonish myself first. It takes thought, concentration, study, prayer, good works etc.



makes sense. the only neutral thing to do is never procreate

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

If this is all a big nothing and without God, and your personality is based on genetics and environmental factors, are any thoughts and actions genuinely "yours" or are they just uncontrollable "natural" chemical reactions playing out?

D:

People really don't like the idea that they're not in control, but... no matter how you slice it, creator, no creator, purpose, no purpose... they are not in control.

Exactly. There are limitations to human will.

[Prometheus]

All I did was defend the statement that suffering is inevitable.

That doesn't mean I am defending the guy suing his parents. I think he's insane.

Just saying... when griff says no life is without suffering, he is 100% correct.

It's more than true - it's foundational.

When you accept the inevitability of death, it is like the soul learning to crawl.

When you accept the inevitability of suffering, it is like the soul learning to stand and walk.