Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

[Vino24]

81 > 69
Bryant put in 81 points in 42 minutes while Jordan needed 50 minutes to put in 69 points. Most importantly, Bryant

[kennethgriffen]

personally i have MJ above kobe all time/career wise


but kobe was obviously the more lethal flamethrower that could do everything mj could do offensively AND MORE with nearly equal defense at his peak


give me peak kobe over any version of MJ


"if i was in my prime i wouldn't lose to anyone but kobe bryant" - michael jordan


cue the 3ball useless incomparable statistics from different eras

[superduper]

Don't be ignorant Branvestite.

Kobe, despite being physically and athletically limited compared to all the other all time greats in history, was still more skilled than Jordan. This is well documented by many players/coaches/execs.

[kennethgriffen]

from 1997 to 2003 nobody torched jordan more than Kobe did

multiple games dropping 30+ at age 18/19

dominating MJ in multiple allstar games ( 1998/2002 )

then foiling MJ's 2003 allstar game ending

then dropping a triple double and a near half time 50 point game to retire his ass



who can forget kobe dunking on MJ twice and blocking his ass

[Vino24]

Don't be ignorant Branvestite.

Kobe, despite being physically and athletically limited compared to all the other all time greats in history, was still more skilled than Jordan. This is well documented by many players/coaches/execs.
Kobe as a player was better than Jordan. However I give the career nod to Jordan.

[ArbitraryWater]

personally i have MJ above kobe all time/career wise


but kobe was obviously the more lethal flamethrower that could do everything mj could do offensively AND MORE with nearly equal defense at his peak


give me peak kobe over any version of MJ


"if i was in my prime i wouldn't lose to anyone but kobe bryant" - michael jordan


cue the 3ball useless incomparable statistics from different eras

are there any stats which reflect anything of this?

[kennethgriffen]

are there any stats which reflect anything of this?


well kobe dropped more points in 3 quarters vs a WCF champion than jordan ever could through 4 quarters vs anyone


that and he scored 20 more points in a regulation game than jordan ever did


oh yeah and kobe doubled jordans 3 point record


oh yeah and kobe has more career 60+ games


oh yeah and infinitely more 3 pointers while shooting them with 2-3 guys in his face every time




its obvious kobe could get hotter than MJ ever could

[zeerghit]

well kobe dropped more points in 3 quarters vs a WCF champion than jordan ever could through 4 quarters vs anyone


that and he scored 20 more points in a regulation game than jordan ever did


oh yeah and kobe doubled jordans 3 point record


oh yeah and kobe has more career 60+ games


oh yeah and infinitely more 3 pointers while shooting them with 2-3 guys in his face every time




its obvious kobe could get hotter than MJ ever could
if harden will duplicate that are we saying harden>kobe/jordan??

[bizil]

When it comes to the top five perimeter players ever, I look at them like this:

MJ - Simply the best.

Bron- The best all around ever (when u combine numbers and positional versatility on both sides of the court)

Magic- The best floor general ever.


Bird - Best blend of scoring-passing-rebounding ever on the perimeter. A bit over Bron and Big O because of the rebounding.


When it comes to Mamba, I think he's the most skilled perimeter player EVER when u factor scoring skillset, handles, and defense as a package. While I consider MJ the better player, Kobe's scoring skillset and handles were a bit better than MJ.

In a sense, he DID evolve MJ's scoring skillset. BUT he wasn't as efficient as MJ because he played hero ball more than MJ did. And Kobe's defense at its best was world class. And he was a great passing SG as well. But HELL NO Kobe isn't better than MJ peak-prime OR GOAT wise.

[kennethgriffen]

if harden will duplicate that are we saying harden>kobe/jordan??


no because the league took away the ability to play defense

kobe was doing his thing in 2002 dropping nearly jordans career high in 3 quarters vs memphis during the handchecking era


this year they implemented the freedom of movement rule and shortened the shot clock reset to 14 seconds. pace is up. usage is up. rules are shit


plus hardens under the d'antoni system which makes guys look better than they truly are


2013 kobe had one of his best offensive seasons. 2010/11/12 he wasn't nearly as good. for a month he was averaging close to 10 apg


nash looked like a league mvp under him.. jeremy lin looked like the first coming of asian jesus


its not even remotely comparable

[JohnMax]

bizil, who is girl in your avatar. if you don't know just say it, instead of ignoring me.

[Dray n Klay]

no because the league took away the ability to play defense

kobe was doing his thing in 2002 dropping nearly jordans career high in 3 quarters vs memphis during the handchecking era


this year they implemented the freedom of movement rule and shortened the shot clock reset to 14 seconds. pace is up. usage is up. rules are shit


plus hardens under the d'antoni system which makes guys look better than they truly are


2013 kobe had one of his best offensive seasons. 2010/11/12 he wasn't nearly as good. for a month he was averaging close to 10 apg


nash looked like a league mvp under him.. jeremy lin looked like the first coming of asian jesus


its not even remotely comparable

How many 35 point triple doubles did he get?

[kennethgriffen]

How many 35 point triple doubles did he get?


thats a stat reserved for losers


ask oscar/westbrick

[NBASTATMAN]

Are you talking about the GUY WHO COULDNT SCORE 40 IN A FINALS GAME :roll: :banana: :hammertime: :yaohappy: :djparty :facepalm

[superduper]

bizil, who is girl in your avatar. if you don't know just say it, instead of ignoring me.

Brah you can find a billion of the same shit on pornhub.com

[zeerghit]

no because the league took away the ability to play defense

kobe was doing his thing in 2002 dropping nearly jordans career high in 3 quarters vs memphis during the handchecking era


this year they implemented the freedom of movement rule and shortened the shot clock reset to 14 seconds. pace is up. usage is up. rules are shit


plus hardens under the d'antoni system which makes guys look better than they truly are


2013 kobe had one of his best offensive seasons. 2010/11/12 he wasn't nearly as good. for a month he was averaging close to 10 apg


nash looked like a league mvp under him.. jeremy lin looked like the first coming of asian jesus


its not even remotely comparable
i agree with all u said mostly, but the problem is u using single game/regular season stats..

[kennethgriffen]

Are you talking about the GUY WHO COULDNT SCORE 40 IN A FINALS GAME :roll: :banana: :hammertime: :yaohappy: :djparty :facepalm


kobe always played on teams where big men cried/pouted if they didn't get a minimal amount of touches


he had to spend the entire first quarter playing decoy a lot of the time just to keep the chemistry on a positive note

[NBASTATMAN]

kobe always played on teams where big men cried/pouted if they didn't get a minimal amount of touches


he had to spend the entire first quarter playing decoy a lot of the time just to keep the chemistry on a positive note


BRICK BRICK BRICK.. DUDE SHOT LIKE 30 PERCENT IN BIG GAMES..

:roll: :hammertime: :yaohappy: :lebronamazed: :djparty


KOBE IS BY FAR THE MOST OVERRATED PLAYER THE GAME HAS EVER SEEN.. HIS TEAM WAS ALWAYS BETTER WHEN HE WAS INJURED AND THEY PLAYED BETTER WHEN HE LEFT..


WON 17 GAMES WITH DLO AND LOU WILLIAMS CUZ HE WOULDN T LET THEM SHOOT THE BALL.. LOL

MISSED THE PLAYOFFS IN HIS PRIME AND POUTED WHEN SHAQ LEFT..

Without PJ he was garbage..

[kennethgriffen]

i agree with all u said mostly, but the problem is u using single game/regular season stats..


no because we see what a guy is truly capable of without being handcuffed

kobe was handcuffed when his teams were expected to win


jordan wasn't


lebron wasn't


and they still couldn't drop more than 61 each during a regulation game



kobe had a green light for a very small amount of time and he went crazy/did shit we haven't seen since wilt

[kennethgriffen]

BRICK BRICK BRICK.. DUDE SHOT LIKE 30 PERCENT IN BIG GAMES..

:roll: :hammertime: :yaohappy: :lebronamazed: :djparty


hater hater hater... the only 30 percentile in the room is lebron with his finals win ratio

:dancin

[superduper]

hater hater hater... the only 30 percentile in the room is lebron with his finals win ratio

:dancin

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[Hey Yo]

no because the league took away the ability to play defense

kobe was doing his thing in 2002 dropping nearly jordans career high in 3 quarters vs memphis during the handchecking era


this year they implemented the freedom of movement rule and shortened the shot clock reset to 14 seconds. pace is up. usage is up. rules are shit


plus hardens under the d'antoni system which makes guys look better than they truly are


2013 kobe had one of his best offensive seasons. 2010/11/12 he wasn't nearly as good. for a month he was averaging close to 10 apg


nash looked like a league mvp under him.. jeremy lin looked like the first coming of asian jesus


its not even remotely comparable
Kobe was also never the focal point of opposing defenses in 2002 while MJ was always the focal point.

The only stats you can use to compare are the ones when Kobe finally became LA's franchise player which was 2005 and beyond.


Jeremy Lin looked his best when he dropped 38 on Kobe when playing for the Knicks as a nobody

[zeerghit]

no because we see what a guy is truly capable of without being handcuffed

kobe was handcuffed when his teams were expected to win


jordan wasn't


lebron wasn't


and they still couldn't drop more than 61 each during a regulation game



kobe had a green light for a very small amount of time and he went crazy/did shit we haven't seen since wilt
10 years isnt very small amount.. so why did he struggle to do that s*it in plf/finals?

[kennethgriffen]

Kobe was also never the focal point of opposing defenses in 2002 while MJ was always the focal point.

The only stats you can use to compare are the ones when Kobe finally became LA's franchise player which was 2005 and beyond.


Jeremy Lin looked his best when he dropped 38 on Kobe when playing for the Knicks


except shaq didn't play in that game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200201140LAL.html



and shaq was also out during most of that 40 point streak a year later too




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[kennethgriffen]

10 years isnt very small amount.. so why did he struggle to do that s*it in plf/finals?


05-07 is 10 years?

[zeerghit]

05-07 is 10 years?
green light? he had that since 2004-2005

[kennethgriffen]

green light? he had that since 2004-2005


till 06-07



is that 10 years?

[zeerghit]

till 06-07



is that 10 years?
till he finished his career u wanted to say?

[kennethgriffen]

till he finished his career u wanted to say?


no kobe had to sacrifice after they got pau. that team was built on offensive chemistry/ball movement

kobe had to get others going. they weren't a lock down defensive juggernaut like the bulls were which enabled jordan to be able to chuck as if he were on a fringe playoff team

[zeerghit]

no kobe had to sacrifice after they got pau. that team was built on offensive chemistry/ball movement

kobe had to get others going. they weren't a lock down defensive juggernaut like the bulls were which enabled jordan to be able to chuck as if he were on a fringe playoff team
ok so you telling me kobe had green light 2005/2007? and he failed to make playoffs or reach 2nd round, here is ur problem..

[superduper]

Kobe was also never the focal point of opposing defenses in 2002 while MJ was always the focal point.

The only stats you can use to compare are the ones when Kobe finally became LA's franchise player which was 2005 and beyond.


Jeremy Lin looked his best when he dropped 38 on Kobe when playing for the Knicks as a nobody

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[kennethgriffen]

ok so you telling me kobe had green light 2005/2007? and he failed to make playoffs or reach 2nd round, here is ur problem..


well in 2005 he and odom missed a ton of games. rudy T had a breakdown and hamblin took over to tank the rest of the season even though with rudy they had a winning record


then kobe took kwame and smush to the playoffs the next 2 seasons


i don't think you know what green light means. because all it means to everyone else is your teams so bad that you have to take all the shots



at best a 1 man show can go to the playoffs. they won't make much noise when they get there.

hakeem was the closest thing to a 1 man show title but even he had a lot of really good players instead of a few great ones

[NBASTATMAN]

WHY ?

Wade was simply a better player vs great defenses than Kobe.. I would say that he was better than Bron against great defenses as well.. :applause:

[superduper]

except shaq didn't play in that game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200201140LAL.html



and shaq was also out during most of that 40 point streak a year later too




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[ArbitraryWater]

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2482/3954617440_a3e7dc95d8.jpg

:facepalm


It's confirmed, superduper knows the least bout ball on this board

[NBASTATMAN]

well in 2005 he and odom missed a ton of games. rudy T had a breakdown and hamblin took over to tank the rest of the season even though with rudy they had a winning record


then kobe took kwame and smush to the playoffs the next 2 seasons


i don't think you know what green light means. because all it means to everyone else is your teams so bad that you have to take all the shots



at best a 1 man show can go to the playoffs. they won't make much noise when they get there.

hakeem was the closest thing to a 1 man show title but even he had a lot of really good players instead of a few great ones

:roll:

[SamuraiSWISH]

"if i was in my prime i wouldn't lose to anyone but kobe bryant" - michael jordan
The actual quote however

“I don’t think I’d lose, other than Kobe Bryant ... because he steals all my moves.”

He’s not saying he would lose to Kobe every time or something, he’s giving himself a back handed compliment while also acknowledging Kobe is closest to him individually. Because Bryant aped so much of his game.

I like Kobe but no version of him can even sniff the player on both ends of the floor individually that ‘88 - ‘93 Jordan was.

[NBASTATMAN]

[QUOTE=Vino24]81 > 69
Bryant put in 81 points in 42 minutes while Jordan needed 50 minutes to put in 69 points. Most importantly, Bryant

[superduper]

:facepalm


It's confirmed, superduper knows the least bout ball on this board

I've been constantly told that Kobe was an afterthought on offense and Shaq was triple teamed every play. Why are people leaving the MOST DOMINANT EVER to guard Brick?

Makes no sense according to our LeTard logic.

[NBASTATMAN]

I've been constantly told that Kobe was an afterthought on offense and Shaq was triple teamed every play. Why are people leaving the MOST DOMINANT EVER to guard Brick?

Makes no sense according to our LeTard logic.

YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED IN 2004 :roll:

[zeerghit]

well in 2005 he and odom missed a ton of games. rudy T had a breakdown and hamblin took over to tank the rest of the season even though with rudy they had a winning record


then kobe took kwame and smush to the playoffs the next 2 seasons


i don't think you know what green light means. because all it means to everyone else is your teams so bad that you have to take all the shots



at best a 1 man show can go to the playoffs. they won't make much noise when they get there.

hakeem was the closest thing to a 1 man show title but even he had a lot of really good players instead of a few great ones
why u have so many excuses with no help for kobe? but somehow u say lebron has/had always stacked teams, weak east etc. If u considering kobe top 3 player its more than enough help..

[ArbitraryWater]

I've been constantly told that Kobe was an afterthought on offense and Shaq was triple teamed every play. Why are people leaving the MOST DOMINANT EVER to guard Brick?

Makes no sense according to our LeTard logic.

Again, defenders always collapse on who penetrates at rim, irrelevant of who it is.

Has nothing to do with paying as much attention to Kobe as Shaq.

[superduper]

YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED IN 2011 FINALS :roll:

Yes... yes I did.... :(

[superduper]

Again, defenders always collapse on who penetrates at rim, irrelevant of who it is.

Has nothing to do with paying as much attention to Kobe as Shaq.

This might be the lowest IQ basketball related sentence I've ever read.

Irrelevant of who it is? Why would you leave a 65% FG MOST DOMINANT EVER to guard a 45% Brick? You would make a HORRIBLE coach

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

In the regular-season?

At BEST, Kobe might've been as prolific of a scorer as MJ. The postseason is where Mike separated himself though. IIRC he has the most 40 and 50 games in the playoffs but on great efficiency too. Kobe was a far cry from that. Especially in the finals.

[Hey Yo]

except shaq didn't play in that game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200201140LAL.html



and shaq was also out during most of that 40 point streak a year later too
Doesn't change the fact that Kobe's numbers can't be compared to MJ's (or any other player who was / is the clear focal point of defenses) unless the Kobe numbers being used are from 2005 and beyond.

[NBASTATMAN]

In the regular-season?

At BEST, Kobe might've been as prolific of a scorer as MJ. The postseason is where Mike separated himself though. IIRC he has the most 40 and 50 games in the playoffs but on great efficiency too. Kobe was a far cry from that. Especially in the finals.


KOBE WAS GARBAGE IN THE PLAYOFFS COMPARED TO MJ..

KOBESTANS JUST TRYING TO GET KOBE S NAME IN THE DISCUSSION.. Poor guy only gets put into those discussions by his dumb stans .. LOL

[kennethgriffen]

The actual quote however

“I don’t think I’d lose, other than Kobe Bryant ... because he steals all my moves.”

He’s not saying he would lose to Kobe every time or something, he’s giving himself a back handed compliment while also acknowledging Kobe is closest to him individually. Because Bryant aped so much of his game.

I like Kobe but no version of him can even sniff the player on both ends of the floor individually that ‘88 - ‘93 Jordan was.


if jordan thought all kobe did was steal his moves and not add anything to them then he'd have said it would be a draw


but he said he would lose because kobe had more range, more footwork, more moves, better off arm etc...

kobe took from a lot more guys than just jordan

[kennethgriffen]

Doesn't change the fact that Kobe's numbers can't be compared to MJ's (or any other player who was / is the clear focal point of defenses) unless the Kobe numbers being used are from 2005 and beyond.


piss poor damage control


shameful display

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

KOBE WAS GARBAGE IN THE PLAYOFFS COMPARED TO MJ..

KOBESTANS JUST TRYING TO GET KOBE S NAME IN THE DISCUSSION.. Poor guy only gets put into those discussions by his dumb stans .. LOL

Nah.

I wouldn't say garbage, but they were definitely TIERS apart.

[Hey Yo]

I've been constantly told that Kobe was an afterthought on offense and Shaq was triple teamed every play. Why are people leaving the MOST DOMINANT EVER to guard Brick?

Makes no sense according to our LeTard logic.
LOL @ having to make shit up to cover for being a dumbass.

[kennethgriffen]

Nah.

I wouldn't say garbage, but they were definitely TIERS apart.


because jordans style was more efficient and at the time he was basically the lebron of his era

nobody could step in front of him

he was bigger/stronger/faster than everyone at his position and he'd just attack the basket or rise up over helpless defenders at around 12 feet and in

but it was more of an opportunistic style which is why both jordan and lebron could never force an 80 piece on anyone. for that they would have to take ridiculously tough long range shots


kobes style was more built on difficult shot making/drawing fouls/demoralizing/playing decoy/playmaking/generating offense in tough grind it out series

[NBASTATMAN]

When we got to Detroit," Bryant said, "they forced us to play our offense 94 feet. We weren't ready, and we couldn't do it, and everything capitulated from there.

"That sits with me because we should have won that."

"Easily," O'Neal chimes in. "Ben Wallace guarding me?"

To O'Neal's point, he averaged 26.6 points and 10.8 rebounds and shot 63.1 percent from the field (53-for-84). Bryant's numbers that series: 22.6 points on 38.1 percent shooting (43-for-113).

"See, the whole strategy was to move the pressure up," Bryant continued. "If you move the pressure up, it takes away Shaquille as a threat, 'cause now you think you have to harbor the ball up the court with the pressure on the perimeter.

[superduper]

LOL @ having to make shit up to cover for being a dumbass.

:biggums:

[kennethgriffen]

LOL @ having to make shit up to cover for being a dumbass.


weren't you already caught in a lie and embarrassed. how are you still here

:biggums:

[NBASTATMAN]

When we got to Detroit," Bryant said, "they forced us to play our offense 94 feet. We weren't ready, and we couldn't do it, and everything capitulated from there.

"That sits with me because we should have won that."

"Easily," O'Neal chimes in. "Ben Wallace guarding me?"

To O'Neal's point, he averaged 26.6 points and 10.8 rebounds and shot 63.1 percent from the field (53-for-84). Bryant's numbers that series: 22.6 points on 38.1 percent shooting (43-for-113).

"See, the whole strategy was to move the pressure up," Bryant continued. "If you move the pressure up, it takes away Shaquille as a threat, 'cause now you think you have to harbor the ball up the court with the pressure on the perimeter.



:roll: :djparty :yaohappy: :party:

[Hey Yo]

piss poor damage control


shameful display
MJ, Shaq, Doctor J, Hakeem, Wilt, Bird, LeBron etc...etc... were the first option and focal point of the offense in which opposing defenses were focused on trying to contain them the most.

Kobe doesn't make that list until 2005. That's when he became the franchise player and main focal point of opposing defenses.

Straight facts, Chico.

[SamuraiSWISH]

In the regular-season?

At BEST, Kobe might've been as prolific of a scorer as MJ. The postseason is where Mike separated himself though. IIRC he has the most 40 and 50 games in the playoffs but on great efficiency too. Kobe was a far cry from that. Especially in the finals.
Correct

Even if we remove Kobe’s off the bench and pre all star years of ‘97, ‘98, and ‘99 not to mess up his averages

From 2000 - 2012 playoff Kobe was a 28 ppg on 45% scorer

That’s amazing. All time elite.

From 1985 - 1998 playoff Jordan was a 33 ppg on 49% scorer

That’s the GOAT

5 ppg difference on 4% better from the field? That’s like a tier or two above as a scorer. On the most difficult stage.

Give him enough shot attempts to drop him down to 45% like Kobe and Mike would probably have been a 37 ppg playoff scorer.

[NBASTATMAN]

LOL @ having to make shit up to cover for being a dumbass.


KOBESTANS CANT HIDE HOW DUMB THEY R :lol

[kennethgriffen]

:roll: :djparty :yaohappy: :party:


oh i'm sorry. kobe didn't take 2 years off after 3-peating to keep himself from blowing out his knee and shoulder in the playoffs a year later .. which caused him problems the next 2 seasons


maybe if jordan didn't go on semi retirement he would have had a poor series


well... technically he did in 1995 after getting humiliated by lil penny

and in 1996 during the finals when rodman had to bail him out

[superduper]

KOBESTANS CANT HIDE HOW DUMB THEY R :lol

You're telling me Bran stans have never said that LMFAO

God you guys are losing brain cells by the minute :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

because jordans style was more efficient and at the time he was basically the lebron of his era

They literally play nothing alike.

What a horrible comparison :oldlol:


but it was more of an opportunistic style which is why both jordan and lebron could never force an 80 piece on anyone. for that they would have to take ridiculously tough long range shots

kobes style was more built on difficult shot making/drawing fouls/demoralizing/playing decoy/playmaking/generating offense in tough grind it out series

Kobe never dropped an "80 piece" on anyone in the playoffs. And had less 40/50-point games in the playoffs than Mike.

Another garbage and flawed argument. But you're you and I expect that.

[Hey Yo]

weren't you already caught in a lie and embarrassed. how are you still here

:biggums:
Nope, not me. Don't know what you're referring to.

[NBASTATMAN]

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Correct

Even if we remove Kobe

[kennethgriffen]

MJ, Shaq, Doctor J, Hakeem, Wilt, Bird, LeBron etc...etc... were the first option and focal point of the offense in which opposing defenses were focused on trying to contain them the most.

Kobe doesn't make that list until 2005. That's when he became the franchise player and main focal point of opposing defenses.

Straight facts, Chico.


you said kobe only dropped a near 60 in 3 quarters back in 2002 because of shaq


you lose


go away

[SamuraiSWISH]

Kobe Stan logic would dictate David Robinson is a better scorer than Jordan because of a 71 piece on a similarly garbage 2006 Raptor esque Clipper squad. Hell Devin Booker must be better than Jordan as well LOL

[kennethgriffen]

Kobe Stan logic would dictate David Robinson is a better scorer than Jordan because of a 71 piece on a similarly garbage 2006 Raptor sequence Clipper squad. Hell Devin Booker must be better than Jordan as well LOL


a one time only fluke is possible


kobe had like 10 games where he was on pace for 70-80 throughout his career

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Correct

Even if we remove Kobe

[kennethgriffen]

Let em know, Swish.


all he's letting people know is that jordan took more shots and had more seasons with a green light


kobe up till his achilles rupture has the same exact point per shot as MJ for his career

1.30 pps


if kobe took the same number of shots they average the same number of points


fg% doesn't account for pace of drawing fouls/getting to the line/hitting threes

[NBASTATMAN]

all he's letting people know is that jordan took more shots and had more seasons with a green light


kobe up till his achilles rupture has the same exact point per shot as MJ for his career

1.30 pps


if kobe took the same number of shots they average the same number of points


fg% doesn't account for pace of drawing fouls/getting to the line/hitting threes


WHEN KOBE SCORES 40 PTS IN A FINALS GAME AS MANY TIMES AS KYRIE I WILL LISTEN UNTIL THEN KOBE IS GARBAGE COMPARED :roll: TO MJ..

[SamuraiSWISH]

all he's letting people know is that jordan took more shots and had more seasons with a green light


kobe up till his achilles rupture has the same exact point per shot as MJ for his career

1.30 pps


if kobe took the same number of shots they average the same number of points


fg% doesn't account for pace of drawing fouls/getting to the line/hitting threes
You make no sense.

At the start of this thread you said Jordan is better. Yet you go on paragraph long rants basically arguing for Kobe.

You include all kinds of situational context for his case. Yet ignore the ones working against him.

You just brought up Jordan having the greenlight from the word go. Kobe also had a green light from 2000 forward. Even to the point of detriment to the team, see the 2004 NBA finals.

You also forget the contextual difference, being that defenses weren’t even keyed in first and formost on Kobe for his first at least 7 to 8 playoffs seasons. He was facing far less physicality and defensive attention compared to Jordan.

Why? Because he was playing with the most dominant player of the modern era, and another top 10 all-time great. Meaning he got some easy looks at the basket and less layers of defense to need to work through.

Kobe notoriously struggled with eastern conference playoff defenses.

He even struggled with the old decrepit version of the Pacers that Jordan waxed in 1998 as a 35-year-old. Why? He doesn’t handle physicality well.

Kobe is too finesse. That’s why he did so well against western conference style teams, and struggled versus the Eastern conference. You have to get to the rim and be a little bruising and durable versus eastern conference gritty playoff style.

That’s why Wade was more effective against the mid 2000s Pistons and the early 2010s Celtics compared to Kobe. He was built to get to the cup and attacked it with reckless abandon and heart.

Jordan however was the blending of both of those styles (Kobe and Wade) perfectly. That’s why he’s easily the better scorer and player compared to Kobe.

[NBASTATMAN]

KOBE STANS SAY KOBE WAS THE BEST SCORER EVER BUT COULDNT SCORE 40 IN THE FINALS...

:facepalm :wtf: :roll:

[stalkerforlife]

OP is an insecure Bransvestite that's trying to shift attention to Kobe as Bran is failing.

[NBASTATMAN]

OP is an insecure Bransvestite that's trying to shift attention to Kobe as Bran is failing.


THIS IDIOT IS FLAMING ANOTHER KOBE STAN... YOU CANT GET DUMBER THAN THESE GUYS

[NBASTATMAN]

LOL

[SamuraiSWISH]

[QUOTE=kennethgriffen]personally i have MJ above kobe all time/career wise


:cheers: :applause:
Yet goes on long diatribe rants the entire thread, arguing basically in essence for Kobe LOL the hypocrisy is real.

[NBASTATMAN]

personally i have MJ above kobe all time/career wise





:cheers: :applause: :rockon:

[stalkerforlife]

THIS IDIOT IS FLAMING ANOTHER KOBE STAN... YOU CANT GET DUMBER THAN THESE GUYS

OP is such a triggered Bransvestite that he made a Kobe name.

He knows, just like you, that Kobe is easily better.

[NBASTATMAN]

[QUOTE=NBASTATMAN]
Yet goes on long diatribe rants the entire thread, arguing basically in essence for Kobe LOL the hypocrisy is real.


NO THEY ARE JUST DUMB..

[NBASTATMAN]

OP is such a triggered Bransvestite that he made a Kobe name.

.


Originally Posted by kennethgriffen
personally i have MJ above kobe all time/career wise


LOL

[kennethgriffen]

Yet goes on long diatribe rants the entire thread, arguing basically in essence for Kobe LOL the hypocrisy is real.


careers and peak skills are 2 completely separate things


kobe was a more deadly player at his best and i believe that beyond a shadow of a doubt

[zeerghit]

careers and peak skills are 2 completely separate things


kobe was a more deadly player at his best and i believe that beyond a shadow of a doubt
just curious if u ranking peak u will go with shaq or kobe?

[NBASTATMAN]

careers and peak skills are 2 completely separate things


kobe was a more deadly player at his best and i believe that beyond a shadow of a doubt


HE DEF KILLED HIS OWN TEAM IN 2004 .. SO YOU MAY BE ON TO SOMETHING.. :roll: :djparty :hammertime: :yaohappy:

[kennethgriffen]

KOBE STANS SAY KOBE WAS THE BEST SCORER EVER BUT COULDNT SCORE 40 IN THE FINALS...

:facepalm :wtf: :roll:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQhhYPc0MCY



http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/02/incredulous.gif

[kennethgriffen]

HE DEF KILLED HIS OWN TEAM IN 2004 .. SO YOU MAY BE ON TO SOMETHING.. :roll: :djparty :hammertime: :yaohappy:


somebodies shook

:lol

[superduper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQhhYPc0MCY



http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/02/incredulous.gif

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

















































































https://media.tenor.com/images/592305ab5fb566917431073e93dcb582/tenor.gif

[NBASTATMAN]

somebodies shook

:lol


DEFLECT AWAY.. :roll: :lol

[superduper]

DEFLECT AWAY.. :roll: :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQhhYPc0MCY

[kennethgriffen]

just curious if u ranking peak u will go with shaq or kobe?



kobe had to carry peak shaq vs portland in game 7, then the entire series vs sanantonio and sacramento the very next season


peak shaq is a more dominant finals performer vs bums... but he was never as good as kobe vs the best competition



give both guys just adequate 2nd options and kobe goes farther IMO

[NBASTATMAN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQhhYPc0MCY



http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/02/incredulous.gif



:hammertime: :party: :lebronamazed:


1 TIME.. LOL...

SHIT EVEN JOHN HAVLICEK SCORED 40 PTS MORE THAN KOBE.. :roll:

THAT IS WHO KOBE SHOULD BE COMPARED TO.. :applause:

[kennethgriffen]

:hammertime: :party: :lebronamazed:


1 TIME.. LOL...

SHIT EVEN JOHN HAVLICEK SCORED 40 PTS MORE THAN KOBE..

THAT IS WHO KOBE SHOULD BE COMPARED TO.. :applause:


hey dumby... you lost. you said one thing and it turned out to be completely false. you can't win now

:lol





would be like me saying




jordan never had a finals game winner!!!!!


then someone saying "he did though"


then me going...


only just that one time though!


:roll:

[superduper]

hey dumby... you lost. you said one thing and it turned out to be completely false. you can't win now

:lol





would be like me saying




jordan never had a finals game winner!!!!!


then someone saying "he did though"


then me going...


only just that one time though!


:roll:

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/738/025/db0.jpg

[NBASTATMAN]

hey dumby... you lost. you said one thing and it turned out to be completely false. you can't win now




Everyone knows he has only scored 40 pts in the FINALS ONCE.. THAT WAS THE POINT .. I MADE YOU ACKNOWLEDGE IT .. SHIT I MADE A THREAD ABOUT IT ONCE..

:lol :djparty :yaohappy: :party:

[NBASTATMAN]

Everyone knows he has only scored 40 pts in the FINALS ONCE.. THAT WAS THE POINT .. I MADE YOU ACKNOWLEDGE IT .. SHIT I MADE A THREAD ABOUT IT ONCE..

:lol :djparty


SHIT KYRIE AND BRON DID IT TWICE IN SAME YEAR.. KOBE DOING IT ONCE IN 7 NBA FINALS.. SHIT HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A GREAT SCORER.. :roll: :banana: :facepalm

[Foster5k]

This thread went to shit faster than a normal Kobe stan thread does. :oldlol:

[NBASTATMAN]

Everyone knows he has only scored 40 pts in the FINALS ONCE.. THAT WAS THE POINT .. I MADE YOU ACKNOWLEDGE IT .. SHIT I MADE A THREAD ABOUT IT ONCE..

:lol :djparty :yaohappy: :party:


SUPERDOPE, KENNETHTHEDUMMY STALKERBROKE ARE ALL MY BITCHES..




HAVE A GREAT DAY YALL.. :roll:

[NBASTATMAN]

THEY ARE STILL THINKING OF A COMEBack.. :roll:

[kennethgriffen]

https://i.imgur.com/fpziMtw.gif


:lol


this dude needs a wellness check like simon.. someone call 911

[kennethgriffen]

This thread went to shit faster than a normal Kobe stan thread does. :oldlol:


statmans gone mental with the size 7 shit quoting himself .. never seen a bigger ISH meltdown in my life

[bigkingsfan]

Kobe had 0 40 point final games.
Debunked, he had one, no mas.
</thread>

[NBASTATMAN]

statmans wins


:applause:

[NBASTATMAN]

Kobe had 0 40 point final games.
Debunked, he had one, no mas.
</thread>


:roll: :oldlol: :banana: :hammertime: :djparty

[NBASTATMAN]

This thread went to shit faster than a normal Kobe stan thread does. :oldlol:


No merit to the thread so its easy.. :cheers: :rockon:

[NBASTATMAN]

:lol


this dude just killed me


:applause:

[superduper]

Imagine quoting yourself 3 times in 3 consecutive posts with full sized font in comic sans talking to yourself them claiming "you win".

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[RRR3]

Imagine quoting yourself 3 times in 3 consecutive posts with full sized font in comic sans talking to yourself them claiming "you win".

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
You don’t knowing what comic sans looks like do you?

[Kiddlovesnets]

Kobe is worse than MJ on every aspect, Kobestans need to face the truth.
:roll:

[egokiller]

Kobe was more skilled than MJ in footwork. Both are vastly more skilled than any version of LeBron.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Kobe was more skilled than MJ in footwork. Both are vastly more skilled than any version of LeBron.
No he wasn

[kennethgriffen]

Kobe is worse than MJ on every aspect, Kobestans need to face the truth.
:roll:


well that's just silly

[Celtics 1825]

Tf kinda mental gymnastics is going on in OP's head?

[LostCause]

bizil, who is girl in your avatar. if you don't know just say it, instead of ignoring me.
Lmao :roll:

[The Iron Fist]

Are you talking about the GUY WHO COULDNT SCORE 40 IN A FINALS GAME :roll: :banana: :hammertime: :yaohappy: :djparty :facepalm
Why score 40 points when you can just include your teammates and win instead?

[RRR3]

Why score 40 points when you can just include your teammates and win instead?
Since when did Kobe involve his teammates :lol

[andgar923]

[QUOTE=Vino24]81 > 69
Bryant put in 81 points in 42 minutes while Jordan needed 50 minutes to put in 69 points. Most importantly, Bryant

[SamuraiSWISH]

if jordan thought all kobe did was steal his moves and not add anything to them then he'd have said it would be a draw


but he said he would lose because kobe had more range, more footwork, more moves, better off arm etc...

kobe took from a lot more guys than just jordan
He literally said none of that :oldlol:

It was a backhanded compliment to himself.

Kobe steals all his moves and mannerisms, while being probably 85 to 90% of the player Jordan was. He’s saying he could lose to Kobe, because it would be like playing himself. Given he considers him his little brother, and a cover band version of himself.

And Kobe‘s skill set and diversity of his game isn’t all that is dissimilar to Jordan LOL as if he added dimensions to it.

He’s worse off the ball, he’s the worse catch and shoot player, he’s worse from mid range, he’s worse at driving and finishing at the rim. He’s not as athletic, quick, or explosive. Jordan handles physicality better.

The only difference actually in a way worked against Kobe, in that he was a more willing three point shooter, and stupid shot taker to the extreme.

But in reality, he didn’t even shoot it from a vastly superior percentage then Jordan. Especially in the playoffs. And as the years went on when Mike and teams added it into the typical repitoire Mike was serviceable to decent at the long ball. His perceived deficiency in that regard is highly overrated.

[andgar923]

Kobe was more skilled than MJ in footwork. Both are vastly more skilled than any version of LeBron.
No he wasn

[SamuraiSWISH]

Jordan was the originator of that footwork and move set out the post.

In combination with him being a vastly superior athletically, he got a much greater separation from defenders on his moves than Kobe.

When Kobe does it it seems really rehearsed. With Jordan it was fluid and organic, and original.

[kennethgriffen]

He literally said none of that :oldlol:

It was a backhanded compliment to himself.

Kobe steals all his moves and mannerisms, while being probably 85 to 90% of the player Jordan was. He’s saying he could lose to Kobe, because it would be like playing himself. Given he considers him his little brother, and a cover band version of himself.

And Kobe‘s skill set and diversity of his game isn’t all that is dissimilar to Jordan LOL as if he added dimensions to it.

He’s worse off the ball, he’s the worse catch and shoot player, he’s worse from mid range, he’s worse at driving and finishing at the rim. He’s not as athletic, quick, or explosive. Jordan handles physicality better.

The only difference actually in a way worked against Kobe, in that he was a more willing three point shooter, and stupid shot taker to the extreme.

But in reality, he didn’t even shoot it from a vastly superior percentage then Jordan. Especially in the playoffs. And as the years went on when Mike and teams added it into the typical repitoire Mike was serviceable to decent at the long ball. His perceived deficiency in that regard is highly overrated.



did you even see jordans hall of fame speech. he isnt the type of guy to say someone can beat him unless they really can.. hes too insecure as a competitor

[kennethgriffen]

Jordan was the originator of that footwork and move set out the post.

In combination with him being a vastly superior athletically, he got a much greater separation from defenders on his moves than Kobe.

When Kobe does it it seems really rehearsed. With Jordan it was fluid and organic, and original.


actually wilt/oscar/baylor were the originators of most of mjs post moves

[andgar923]

Jordan was the originator of that footwork and move set out the post.

In combination with him being a vastly superior athletically, he got a much greater separation from defenders on his moves than Kobe.

When Kobe does it it seems really rehearsed. With Jordan it was fluid and organic, and original.
Not sure if MJ was the originator, but MJ was better for the reasons you mentioned. As a result his consistency was better.

There was a video that compared Wizards MJ to Kobe in that same game. MJ managed to get more separation than Kobe. That

[kennethgriffen]

Not sure if MJ was the originator, but MJ was better for the reasons you mentioned. As a result his consistency was better.

There was a video that compared Wizards MJ to Kobe in that same game. MJ managed to get more separation than Kobe. That’s a result of MJ’s footwork and knowing how to use his body and momentum.

Kobe is good, but MJ is better.

It’s like comparing a new base model Benz to an upgraded one. Sure the base is great, but the updated one has better interior, features etc

Kobe is the base
MJ the upgrade


no.. jordan couldnt do half the things kobe could do


the argument for mj over kobe is efficiency just because he has less range and production just because he takes more shots... when given the same opportunities kobe had way more impressive performances


jordans youtube highlights are kinda boring aside from his dunks

[NBASTATMAN]

no.. jordan couldnt do half the things kobe could do





Well he never lost when he was up 3-1.

MJ never gave up a 24 pt lead in the NBA FINALS..

MJ never sabotaged his team in the finals and made them lose..

MJ never sucked in an NBA FINALS .. Kobe made it a habit..

THOSE ARE THE THINGS THIS IDIOT IS TALKING ABOUT. :lol :applause: :cheers:

[305Baller]

6>5 case closed

too easy

[andgar923]

no.. jordan couldnt do half the things kobe could do


the argument for mj over kobe is efficiency just because he has less range and production just because he takes more shots... when given the same opportunities kobe had way more impressive performances


jordans youtube highlights are kinda boring aside from his dunks
stfu

You know shit about anything.

[kennethgriffen]

Well he never lost when he was up 3-1.

MJ never gave up a 24 pt lead in the NBA FINALS..

MJ never sabotaged his team in the finals and made them lose..

MJ never sucked in an NBA FINALS .. Kobe made it a habit..

THOSE ARE THE THINGS THIS IDIOT IS TALKING ABOUT. :lol :applause: :cheers:


so kobe giving up a 24 point lead means jordan has more skills?


and we all know jordan was the more consistent efficient scorer due to his limitations

we also know the bulls were by far the superior team than the 2004 lakers with basically 2 guys and old geezers/scrubs





this is a straight up player comparison. kobe at his best was better than MJ ever was


same overall move set plus more range, better footwork, a better off hand, a better handle, better shooting form with way less over powering physical god given gifts

[kennethgriffen]

6>5 case closed

too easy


nobodies saying jordan didn't have the better career

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/02/incredulous.gif

[AirBonner]

from 1997 to 2003 nobody torched jordan more than Kobe did

multiple games dropping 30+ at age 18/19

dominating MJ in multiple allstar games ( 1998/2002 )

then foiling MJ's 2003 allstar game ending

then dropping a triple double and a near half time 50 point game to retire his ass



who can forget kobe dunking on MJ twice and blocking his ass
Irrefutable :applause:

[SpaceJam2]

from 1997 to 2003 nobody torched jordan more than Kobe did

multiple games dropping 30+ at age 18/19

dominating MJ in multiple allstar games ( 1998/2002 )

then foiling MJ's 2003 allstar game ending

then dropping a triple double and a near half time 50 point game to retire his ass



who can forget kobe dunking on MJ twice and blocking his ass

Goodness

[3ball]

I fear Kobe in the Finals vs Jordan more than any other player in history

He's the only guy with the skills to match him

And I don't care that Kobe never had 40 point games in the Finals or whatever - that isn't what I'm talking about - I know that Kobe's goat skillset maximizes his teams just as much as MJ, and only Kobe can compare to MJ's clutch/assassin gene...

so kobe would be more of a threat to beat MJ in the Finals than anyone else in history

[SpaceJam2]

I fear Kobe in the Finals vs Jordan more than any other player in history

He's the only guy with the skills to match him

This is the GREATEST comment against MJ

Imagine your closest comparison is another inefficient chucker that needed record help to win chips.

Strikingly similar

This is MJs biggest downfall. Kobe is 'MJ like' :lol

[3ball]

This is the GREATEST comment against MJ

Imagine your closest comparison is another inefficient chucker that needed record help to win chips.

Strikingly similar

This is MJs biggest downfall. Kobe is 'MJ like' :lol
I don't care that Kobe's stats weren't goat-level in the Finals

that isn't what I'm talking about

I fear Kobe because his teams can be as good as MJ's given the same cast (he can elevate teams like MJ) - the following 2 factors give Kobe's teams similar ceilings to MJ's and therefore make his teams the biggest threat to MJ's perfect Finals record:

1) Kobe's goat skillset maximizes his teams just as much as MJ because his on-ball/off-ball capability fits with and maximizes any teammate or system

2) only Kobe can compare to MJ's clutch/assassin gene


Again, these factors give Kobe's teams a similar goat ceiling that MJ's had and therefore make his teams the biggest threat to MJ's perfect Finals record... so kobe would be more of a threat to beat MJ in the Finals than anyone else in history - and it stems from his skillset that fits with any teammate or system, along with his clutch gene to win tight games that others would lose

[Micku]

Kobe has more buzzer beaters/game winners than Michael Jordan.

Kobe's off-season workouts > Jordan's off-season gambling



Haha! I think it shows how much MJ is better than Kobe in this regard.

I don't recall that Kobe has more buzzer beaters and game winners than MJ, but if he does, it probably is at lower percentage than MJ. Both in regular season and playoffs. And you argue, that Kobe and his teams had many close games where if MJ and his teams, you don't even need to have that many. In 82games, though perhaps outdated, had him doing a 14/56 on game winners. Which is 25%. They did this stat of the last 24 secs where Kobe is like 7/28, which is again like 25%. MJ was like 8/16 or something. Sometimes they adjust the criteria to being the last 5, 10, 15 secs. But MJ was better than him in everything in that stat.

And despite Kobe work out sessions and his ability to be the first guy in and last guy out, he still didn't put up as great stats as MJ did nor accomplishments of individual or team success.

He has a lot of respect from his peers tho.

And when it comes to skills of footwork and many ways to score, Kobe is that dude. He is about as equal. I would say he is more creative. He has better handles and is better at shooting the 3 even though they are around the same in that too? He is better in terms of getting hot. When he is hot, Kobe goes on a scoring spree.

Kobe took more dribbles to get in his rhythm while MJ took less. Even with the post ups. Kobe footwork is pretty much equal to MJ, but MJ needs less time to create a shot. One thing I wish Kobe would've been better at is his off the ball movement. MJ was better at that, and could catch and shoot. Kobe perhaps could've done that, but didn't.

MJ is just a more athletic version of Kobe and took better shots. He got better separation because of his speed and jumping ability.

And it took Kobe longer to catch up/passing MJ in scoring. And this is MJ missing like 80% of his second season due to injury, and a year and half in retirement. MJ played less and still accomplish more.

He is just a better scorer, defender, and etc. There's only a couple things that Kobe does that's better. Kobe longevity is great tho. Kobe is a great player. It's just naw fam with MJ. MJ is just better version than Kobe. Kobe with steroids.

[AirBonner]

This is the GREATEST comment against MJ

Imagine your closest comparison is another inefficient chucker that needed record help to win chips.

Strikingly similar

This is MJs biggest downfall. Kobe is 'MJ like' :lol
well said. an inefficient chucker is basically MJ :biggums:

[Vino24]

Kobe was better

[SouBeachTalents]

I don't care that Kobe's stats weren't goat-level in the Finals

that isn't what I'm talking about

I fear Kobe because his teams can be as good as MJ's given the same cast (he can elevate teams like MJ) - the following 2 factors give Kobe's teams similar ceilings to MJ's and therefore make his teams the biggest threat to MJ's perfect Finals record:

1) Kobe's goat skillset maximizes his teams just as much as MJ because his on-ball/off-ball capability fits with and maximizes any teammate or system

2) only Kobe can compare to MJ's clutch/assassin gene


Again, these factors give Kobe's teams a similar goat ceiling that MJ's had and therefore make his teams the biggest threat to MJ's perfect Finals record... so kobe would be more of a threat to beat MJ in the Finals than anyone else in history - and it stems from his skillset that fits with any teammate or system, along with his clutch gene to win tight games that others would lose
This just proves more than anything 3ball is really a Kobe stan. Kobe was factually not even the most feared player on his team for most of his Finals, but he's the one you'd fear the most, even after his consistent track record of underwhelming performances in the Finals.

And of course, after using stats for literally every comparison, including saying Mozgov > Pippen, stats no longer apply in this case. Mad convenient bro :lol

[AlternativeAcc.]

This is the GREATEST comment against MJ

Imagine your closest comparison is another inefficient chucker that needed record help to win chips.

Strikingly similar

This is MJs biggest downfall. Kobe is 'MJ like' :lol

Bingo

MJ's closest comparison is a top 12-17 all-time player

LeBron routinely abused Kobe head to head with less help, so there's zero reason to believe he wouldn't do the same to Jordan

[HoopsNY]

81 > 69
Bryant put in 81 points in 42 minutes while Jordan needed 50 minutes to put in 69 points. Most importantly, Bryant

I think you have to consider the fact that MJ's 69 comes against a top ranked Cleveland defense whereas Kobe scored 81pts on the 29th ranked (dead last) Toronto Raptors defense. In addition, MJ shot a higher fg% and took fewer field goal attempts (37) than Kobe (46).

Add the fact that Jordan recorded 18 rebounds in that game and had more assists and steals, then I'm not sure how you can arrive at this conclusion. Interested to know your thoughts!

[HoopsNY]

I don't care that Kobe's stats weren't goat-level in the Finals

that isn't what I'm talking about

I fear Kobe because his teams can be as good as MJ's given the same cast (he can elevate teams like MJ) - the following 2 factors give Kobe's teams similar ceilings to MJ's and therefore make his teams the biggest threat to MJ's perfect Finals record:

1) Kobe's goat skillset maximizes his teams just as much as MJ because his on-ball/off-ball capability fits with and maximizes any teammate or system

2) only Kobe can compare to MJ's clutch/assassin gene


Again, these factors give Kobe's teams a similar goat ceiling that MJ's had and therefore make his teams the biggest threat to MJ's perfect Finals record... so kobe would be more of a threat to beat MJ in the Finals than anyone else in history - and it stems from his skillset that fits with any teammate or system, along with his clutch gene to win tight games that others would lose

I definitely see your point, but I disagree with your assessment. Historically, Kobe was far less clutch than MJ and significantly less clutch than his peers. His shooting numbers with less than 5 minutes, 2 minutes, 1 minute, and buzzer beaters when down by 2 or tied allude to this fact.

I also think Kobe simply took bad shots. He was an assassin because he was willing to takeover and take the last shot, but that doesn't mean his shot selection was necessarily good.

When we look at Kobe's finals teams from 2007-2010, I don't think any of those teams stand a chance against MJ's Bulls of the 90s. And when we consider Shaq+Kobe, then I think Dennis Rodman poses an equalizer effect to Shaq as he did in 1996 whenever he switched with Longley.

One player that I think COULD have potentially challenged MJs streak was Hakeem. I don't believe enough people talk about Hakeem, particularly given the fact that he was similar to MJ with regards to having the least help of any of the greatest players of all time. And his defense was so good that he literally made players like Penny Hardaway and Nick Anderson think twice about driving the ball to the basket.

[ArbitraryWater]

This might be the lowest IQ basketball related sentence I've ever read.

Irrelevant of who it is? Why would you leave a 65% FG MOST DOMINANT EVER to guard a 45% Brick? You would make a HORRIBLE coach

because the player is at the rim, you flaming dumbass

[LAL]

I definitely see your point, but I disagree with your assessment. Historically, Kobe was far less clutch than MJ and significantly less clutch than his peers. His shooting numbers with less than 5 minutes, 2 minutes, 1 minute, and buzzer beaters when down by 2 or tied allude to this fact.

I also think Kobe simply took bad shots. He was an assassin because he was willing to takeover and take the last shot, but that doesn't mean his shot selection was necessarily good.

When we look at Kobe's finals teams from 2007-2010, I don't think any of those teams stand a chance against MJ's Bulls of the 90s. And when we consider Shaq+Kobe, then I think Dennis Rodman poses an equalizer effect to Shaq as he did in 1996 whenever he switched with Longley.

One player that I think COULD have potentially challenged MJs streak was Hakeem. I don't believe enough people talk about Hakeem, particularly given the fact that he was similar to MJ with regards to having the least help of any of the greatest players of all time. And his defense was so good that he literally made players like Penny Hardaway and Nick Anderson think twice about driving the ball to the basket.
No it's kobe, also didn't take bad shots when he had a squad. He was a shooting guard playing in a triangle offense against taller defenders with zone defenses, did great. Never compare that to MJ posting up on an island against shorter sg's because of the illegal defense rule (still goat). Or don't compare that to lebron's system, where he's usually blameless for the outcome of the game by the third quarter because he collected a triple double by then. People don't talk enough about hakeem because he spent most of his career getting kicked out of the playoffs.

[AirBonner]

from 1997 to 2003 nobody torched jordan more than Kobe did

multiple games dropping 30+ at age 18/19

dominating MJ in multiple allstar games ( 1998/2002 )

then foiling MJ's 2003 allstar game ending

then dropping a triple double and a near half time 50 point game to retire his ass



who can forget kobe dunking on MJ twice and blocking his ass

I agree. Kobe sent MJ into a 2nd retirement

[2much_knowledge]

When it comes to the top five perimeter players ever, I look at them like this:

MJ - Simply the best.

Bron- The best all around ever (when u combine numbers and positional versatility on both sides of the court)

Magic- The best floor general ever.


Bird - Best blend of scoring-passing-rebounding ever on the perimeter. A bit over Bron and Big O because of the rebounding.


When it comes to Mamba, I think he's the most skilled perimeter player EVER when u factor scoring skillset, handles, and defense as a package. While I consider MJ the better player, Kobe's scoring skillset and handles were a bit better than MJ.

In a sense, he DID evolve MJ's scoring skillset. BUT he wasn't as efficient as MJ because he played hero ball more than MJ did. And Kobe's defense at its best was world class. And he was a great passing SG as well. But HELL NO Kobe isn't better than MJ peak-prime OR GOAT wise.

Spot on. Top to bottom. Well said

[2much_knowledge]

As a Kobe main fan..... Kobe is more skilled than Mj offensively. And was the better three point shooter. BUT

Was separated them the most is efficiency. Jordan did all that kobe could do but in a more efficient and consistent matter all the way through. Defensively, MJ was a tad better but its close. Kobe was like the Doug collins, pre Phil Jordan. More selfish and reckless

[light]

The one thing Kobe has over MJ is that he won rings outside of the expansion era (1988-2004).

Most Finals opponents from this era were low in talent - look at the 2000 Pacers or 92 Blazers.

Beating a team like Garnett’s big 3 Celtics is something MJ cannot claim.

[2much_knowledge]

Bingo

MJ's closest comparison is a top 12-17 all-time player

LeBron routinely abused Kobe head to head with less help, so there's zero reason to believe he wouldn't do the same to Jordan

Head to head in regular season doesn't prove shit

Lebron couldn't handle Orlando in 09, was gonna get swept if not for that miraculous buzzer beater that he couldn't even believe it went in, acted like he won Miss Usa lol. For Kobe? No problem, easy 4 -1

Boston sent lebron from the snow to the beach in 2010. Then kobe & Co took care of them too

What about lebron's daddy after gsw, the spurs, kobe handled them 4 - 1 easily in 08, the defending champs. The same team that swept lebron.

[aj1987]

Head to head in regular season doesn't prove shit

Lebron couldn't handle Orlando in 09, was gonna get swept if not for that miraculous buzzer beater that he couldn't even believe it went in, acted like he won Miss Usa lol. For Kobe? No problem, easy 4 -1

Boston sent lebron from the snow to the beach in 2010. Then kobe & Co took care of them too

What about lebron's daddy after gsw, the spurs, kobe handled them 4 - 1 easily in 08, the defending champs. The same team that swept lebron.

And yet, LeBron is considered to be a top 2 GOAT, while Kobe is borderline top 12. Funny how that works. :cheers:

[2much_knowledge]

And yet, LeBron is considered to be a top 2 GOAT, while Kobe is borderline top 12. Funny how that works. :cheers:

Espn is full of Shit for that and kobe was going strong until the injuries started piling up. 2013, all of them, howard, metta, kobe, gasol and nash got injures multiple times. Then achilles, right knee and shoulder tear back to back to back. That doesn't mean he is a lesser player. Lebron's health and luck is not a basketball ability

[k 96]

Espn is full of Shit for that and kobe was going strong until the injuries started piling up. 2013, all of them, howard, metta, kobe, gasol and nash got injures multiple times. Then achilles, right knee and shoulder tear back to back to back. That doesn't mean he is a lesser player. Lebron's health and luck is not a basketball ability

You the nail on the head, KB24 was hit with injury after injury late in his career, ultimately limiting his career accomplishments. My guess, ESPN is, and has provided LeHype James with P.E.D.

[3ball]

Espn is full of Shit for that and kobe was going strong until the injuries started piling up. 2013, all of them, howard, metta, kobe, gasol and nash got injures multiple times. Then achilles, right knee and shoulder tear back to back to back. That doesn't mean he is a lesser player. Lebron's health and luck is not a basketball ability


Exactly

Everyone's ranking declines once people see them past their prime and struggling

That's what happened to Kobe.

Most people put him in the goat convo until about 2012 or so - then people saw him decline and the goat talk DISAPPEARED

the same will happen to lebron, especially if he racks up another embarrassing playoff loss, which I anticipate this season

Heck, if Jordan hadn't come back to the Wizards, his goat ranking would be all but unanimous.. his stats would have an undeniable gap over everyone's.. more than now.. and his resume and memory would be perfect

But people saw him being "human", and it took some shine off his brand.. a lot actually

[Axe]

And seven finals trips too

[3ball]

And seven finals trips too


it's important to win the Finals because it means you would've made the Finals in either conference

So Finals appearances are conference-dependant affairs that mean little without winning it

Carry on

[Axe]

it's important to win the Finals because it means you would've made the Finals in either conference

So Finals appearances are conference-dependant affairs that mean little without winning it

Carry on
No maurice, no conference title

[scuzzy]

MJ pushed back to consensus 13th

[AirBonner]

MJ pushed back to consensus 13th

Quoted for reference and historic purposes

[AirBonner]

Bumping for new reference purposes. A thread recently popped up lining the fact that Kobe was very clutch :pimp:

[Shooter]

And seven finals trips too

7 beats 6, slick

[AirBonner]

7 beats 6, slick

Big facts

[Axe]

7 beats 6, slick
Duh

[aj1987]

Espn is full of Shit for that and kobe was going strong until the injuries started piling up. 2013, all of them, howard, metta, kobe, gasol and nash got injures multiple times. Then achilles, right knee and shoulder tear back to back to back. That doesn't mean he is a lesser player. Lebron's health and luck is not a basketball ability

They needed GOAT level rigging and were trash before Kobe tore his Achilles, you mouth breathing retard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MhmGyZ7KF0

The FACT that LeBron is a better scorer, playmaker, rebounder, and defender makes him a a significantly better player than Kobe.

[ImKobe]

They needed GOAT level rigging and were trash before Kobe tore his Achilles, you mouth breathing retard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MhmGyZ7KF0

The FACT that LeBron is a better scorer, playmaker, rebounder, and defender makes him a a significantly better player than Kobe.

4 minutes of missed fouls in slow-mo. You can make that kind of a video for any team in the league :facepalm . How many times did Lebron's teams get away with fouling on defense without a single whistle against the Warriors?

Lebron is not a better scorer, nor was he ever better defensively.

Playoffs
Kobe 08-10: 29.8 ppg 5.5 apg 3.1 TO 56.9%TS
Lebron 11-13: 26.7 ppg 6.0 apg 3.2 TO 57.5%TS

Lebron's numbers weren't all that before the league started breaking ORTG numbers with him playing small ball teams in the Playoffs. Not a single 40+PT Finals game in his first 5 Finals, then he starts playing the Warriors, who run a 6'6 guy at Center for the majority of the game and his numbers go crazy.

[aj1987]

4 minutes of missed fouls in slow-mo. You can make that kind of a video for any team in the league :facepalm . How many times did Lebron's teams get away with fouling on defense without a single whistle against the Warriors?
I literally provided you video evidence in crucial games that the Lakers needed to win. Also, the Lakers won the last two games that they needed to win WITHOUT Brick. Slow mo? There's fouls without a defender being in the same zip code. You can choose to ignore FACTS all you want, but they're still FACTS.


Lebron is not a better scorer, nor was he ever better defensively.

Playoffs
Kobe 08-10: 29.8 ppg 5.5 apg 3.1 TO 56.9%TS
Lebron 11-13: 26.7 ppg 6.0 apg 3.2 TO 57.5%TS
LMAO. Random cherry picked seasons. Lets play that game

LeBron's FIRST EVER PO series was better than Brick's best.

LeBron in a two game span had more 40 point games in the Finals than Brick did throughout his entire overrated career.

LeBron has a 50 point game in the Finals. Brick has ZERO.

LeBron is a significantly better scorer and defender than Brick and it's not close.

This is old and LeBron has since LAPPED Brick:

Kobe in the Playoffs:

5640 points in 220 PO games

LeBron in the Playoffs:

6911 in 239 PO games

+1200 points in 16 games more played for LeBron

Kobe PPG in the PO's:

25.6 PPG

LeBron PPG in the PO's:

28.9 PPG

+3.3 PPG

Kobe efficiency in the PO's:

54.1% TS

LeBron efficiency in the PO's:

57.9% TS

+3.8% more efficient

In short, LeBron scores 3.3 PPG more than Kobe in the PO's on 3.8% better efficiency.

Doesn't end there.

50 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 1 (you Brick turds consider his to be the GOAT scorer and he has ONE 50pt game in the PO's?)

LeBron - 1

45 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 5

LeBron - 11

40 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 13

LeBron - 27

35 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 39

LeBron - 56

30 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 88

LeBron - 110

25 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 123

LeBron - 165

20 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 167

LeBron - 214

LeBron has scored under 20 points only 25 times in his career. Kobe did it 53 times. There's something Kobe can beat LeBron at.

I know you idiots are going to say LeBron was facing wack competition in the East.

Lets look at the Finals numbers, shall we?

Kobe PPG in the Finals:

25.3 PPG

LeBron PPG in the Finals:

28.3 PPG

Kobe efficiency in the Finals:

51% TS

LeBron efficiency in the Finals:

56% TS

LeBron scores 3 more PPG on 5% better efficiency than Kobe in the Finals. LeBron does this while facing significantly better competition, BTW.

Lets go in a bit deeper.

50 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 0

LeBron - 1

45 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 0

LeBron - 1

40 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 1 ()

LeBron - 7

35 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 4

LeBron - 11

30 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 13

LeBron - 20

25 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 22

LeBron - 33

20 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 30

LeBron - 41



Lebron's numbers weren't all that before the league started breaking ORTG numbers with him playing small ball teams in the Playoffs. Not a single 40+PT Finals game in his first 5 Finals, then he starts playing the Warriors, who run a 6'6 guy at Center for the majority of the game and his numbers go crazy.

6'6" C? Brick cracked 40 in the Finals ONCE. LeBron is so much better than Kobe, that this conversation is just hilarious at this point. Again, as I said earlier, LeBron in a 3 day span has had more 40 point games than Brick had in his entire 20 season career. Every single stat and advanced metric is massively in favor of LeBron. Why do you bring up those stats and numbers in other conversations and not when it pertains to Brick vs LeBron?

[ImKobe]

6'6" C? Brick cracked 40 in the Finals ONCE. LeBron is so much better than Kobe, that this conversation is just hilarious at this point. Again, as I said earlier, LeBron in a 3 day span has had more 40 point games than Brick had in his entire 20 season career. Every single stat and advanced metric is massively in favor of LeBron. Why do you bring up those stats and numbers in other conversations and not when it pertains to Brick vs LeBron?

Ok, so you're going to completely disregard the difference between the two eras and how Lebron wasn't consistently putting up these scoring numbers before the league changed?


Here's the facts - Lebron was a sub-30% mid-range and 3PT shooter in 06-08 Playoffs, the Wizards series is an outlier, as he played a horrible defensive squad.

I repeat, he did not score 40+ in the Finals in his peak years. In 2015, he took 34-38 shots in the games where he did get over 40, against a team that played small (they started Bogut at first, but his minutes gradually went down to the point he didn't even start or get any minutes by the 2nd half of the series).

Here's another fun stat - Lebron's 3 - 6 in his 40+pt games in the Finals. One of those wins came against the Warriors with Draymond suspended (where Irving had 40 as well and took over the 4th), and another came against an injured Heat squad. The fact is that he did NOT put up 40+ in the Finals before the league changed, and it started with the 2015 Warriors. Lebron was an inefficient scorer that year in the POs (27.6 ppg on 42.8%FG/49.2%TS) before he ran into the Warriors and took ~33 shots a game on 47.7%TS. Heck, he averaged just 26 ppg in the '16 title run. And since 2017, the league has been breaking all-time ORTG records and everyone's numbers have gone up.

[CountDracula]

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[Shooter]

https://i.postimg.cc/MGR4Fm7m/GOATchipalltime.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/j5xHFvqz/Le7631._Unbreakable.png

https://i.postimg.cc/mDLxRwvL/EACH-one-LBJ-beats-MJ.png

https://i.ibb.co/YQ1s5RV/E21-A4524-BAC8-451-F-8445-88-B7-C205-E067.gif

[aj1987]

Ok, so you're going to completely disregard the difference between the two eras and how Lebron wasn't consistently putting up these scoring numbers before the league changed?
For the millionth time. LeBron as a 21 year old kid, in his FIRST EVER PO series, had a better series than Brick ever did in his 20 season career. How many times do I need to tell you that?


Here's the facts - Lebron was a sub-30% mid-range and 3PT shooter in 06-08 Playoffs, the Wizards series is an outlier, as he played a horrible defensive squad.
Yeah, ignore and keep cherrypicking you ****ing idiot. :oldlol:

What is not an outlier is the FACT that Brick averaged 51% TS% over his career in the Finals. That's flat out horrendous. Not just that, he averaged under 30% shooting in the 4th Q's of the '09 and '10 Finals.


I repeat, he did not score 40+ in the Finals in his peak years. In 2015, he took 34-38 shots in the games where he did get over 40, against a team that played small (they started Bogut at first, but his minutes gradually went down to the point he didn't even start or get any minutes by the 2nd half of the series).
2016 LeBron was still peak LeBron. He was a monster on the offensive and defensive end. Heck, 2018 LeBron and 2020 LeBron were straight up beasts as well. Even this season, LeBron was leading the MVP ballot until he got hurt. With all that being said, it really doesn't matter when he got 40. He did it and it's a fact.

You're a fan of TS%, right? LeBron in those three games of 40 points in '15 had a better TS% than Kobe in his Finals career.

Kobe was about the same age as LeBron in '16 when he got his fist and only 40 PPG game in the Finals, you stupid ****. :roll:


Here's another fun stat - Lebron's 3 - 6 in his 40+pt games in the Finals. One of those wins came against the Warriors with Draymond suspended (where Irving had 40 as well and took over the 4th), and another came against an injured Heat squad.
Funny how you bring up Dryamond's suspension as if that was the reason why he put up 40. LeBron dropped 40 WITH Draymond in the lineup.

Yes, Irving was good in the 4th Q, but LeBron was decent as well. LeBron put it away with his and 1 with like 3:30 left in the game.

LeBron also had back to back 40 point games in those Finals. More 40 point games in 3 days than Kobe had in his entire Finals career.

LeBron put up 41/12/9/4/3 on 56/50/69 over those two games with only 1.5 TOV's. All this while playing a 73 win team and him being on a 58 win team with ZERO All-Stars.

Want to talk about how Irving performed in the next game? I'll wait.

HINT: It was an elimination game and Irving was Kobeesque.


The fact is that he did NOT put up 40+ in the Finals before the league changed, and it started with the 2015 Warriors. Lebron was an inefficient scorer that year in the POs (27.6 ppg on 42.8%FG/49.2%TS) before he ran into the Warriors and took ~33 shots a game on 47.7%TS. Heck, he averaged just 26 ppg in the '16 title run. And since 2017, the league has been breaking all-time ORTG records and everyone's numbers have gone up.
LeBron was playing in 2015 with a destroyed back, yet, he took two games from a 67 win team while he was on a 54 win team. He did that without his #2 and #3.

If the Wizards series is an outlier, how about the Magic series? I literally could keep listing these kind of series of days, when it comes to LeBron. Heck, he averaged 35/9/7/2/1 during that PO run. Something that Brick could only dream of. You can keep bringing up the "league changing" or whatever, but the simple FACT is LeBron was a better than Kobe, when Kobe was in him prime and peak. FFS, an injured LeBron this season is better than arguably about 10 seasons of Kobe. That's how good and how much better LeBron is than Kobe.

[Vino24]

from 1997 to 2003 nobody torched jordan more than Kobe did

multiple games dropping 30+ at age 18/19

dominating MJ in multiple allstar games ( 1998/2002 )

then foiling MJ's 2003 allstar game ending

then dropping a triple double and a near half time 50 point game to retire his ass



who can forget kobe dunking on MJ twice and blocking his ass

Bingo. Kobe as a man child took peak MJ to the woodshed and beat that ass

[kennygriffin]

Bingo. Kobe as a man child took peak MJ to the woodshed and beat that ass

MJ is the goat. but kobe would beat his a** in 1 on 1. even MJ admitted it

[Airupthere]

This is a Kobe-MJ thread. Why the hell is lebron even mentioned here? Lol

[MaxPlayer]

This is a Kobe-MJ thread. Why the hell is lebron even mentioned here? Lol

First time reading ISH?

[SATAN]

MJ is the goat. but kobe would beat his a** in 1 on 1. even MJ admitted it

So would LeBron. Who is regarded as a smarter player in general. How the hell is MJ the GOAT then??

[Bronbron23]

So would LeBron. Who is regarded as a smarter player in general. How the hell is MJ the GOAT then??

Except he's not regarded as the smarter player. Both are very high iq. The only real difference between the 2 is bron passes slightly more and mj shoots a bit more. Other than that it's basically a pick em situation as far as who's better. You really can't go wrong either way

[3ba11]

Jordan's stats as 1st option from 96-98' exceed Kobe's from 08-10' (regular season, playoffs, Finals), despite Kobe being younger and facing worse defenses (higher league DRTG's)

[AlphaWolf24]

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/8646OEqu-tWghDY-syumTLVNZbk=/0x0:260x194/920x613/filters:focal(110x77:150x117):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/64244051/645248383.0.jpg

https://glamcelebs.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Savannah-Brinson-with-LeBron-James.jpg

https://s.abcnews.com/images/GMA/vanessa-kobe-bryant-01-gty-jc-200522_hpMain_3_4x3_608.jpg

Reasons Kobe's better....he doesn't marry Monstars!....

[Smoke117]

Alphawolf24...the 3ball for Kobe is back I see.

[AlphaWolf24]

Alphawolf24...the 3ball for Kobe is back I see.


what up homey.....ISH 4 Life

[Vino24]

what up homey.....ISH 4 Life

Welcome back. 3ball has been rampant since you left. It’s nice to have another guy put him in place.

[AlphaWolf24]

Welcome back. 3ball has been rampant since you left. It’s nice to have another guy put him in place.

from what Ive seen from him , he has MJ #1 and Kobe 2nd.....I aint got no problem with that.









like I said , toss up:confusedshrug:

[3ba11]

from what Ive seen from him , he has MJ #1 and Kobe 2nd.....I aint got no problem with that.









like I said , toss up:confusedshrug:


that wasn't the best pic of Juanita. Doesn't do her justice

[Smoke117]

from what Ive seen from him , he has MJ #1 and Kobe 2nd.....I aint got no problem with that.









like I said , toss up:confusedshrug:

lol Kobe isn't and will never be considered number 2 by anyone, but you stans. With any reasonable and knowledgeable basketball fan he's borderline top 10.

[SouBeachTalents]

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/8646OEqu-tWghDY-syumTLVNZbk=/0x0:260x194/920x613/filters:focal(110x77:150x117):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/64244051/645248383.0.jpg
The fck was Jordan thinking :lol

[coastalmarker99]

The fck was Jordan thinking :lol


I ask that question every day when I am looking at his fashion choices and his management choices with the Wizards and Hornets

[ELITEpower23]

Been saying this for a while now, Kobe was closer to MJ than we think.

1. LeBron
2. Russell
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Shaq
7. Bird
8. Hakeem
9. Wilt
10. Jordan
11. West
12. Kobe

[ELITEpower23]

Insanity on both accounts. Stop it. Get some help.

[Cold soul]

lol Kobe isn't and will never be considered number 2 by anyone, but you stans. With any reasonable and knowledgeable basketball fan he's borderline top 10.

Kobe usually ranks anywhere from #6-10 by most.

[Cold soul]

what up homey.....ISH 4 Life

Where the heck have you been?!?! I haven't seen you in ages. I hope life is treating you well these days great to see familiar face around here.

[kennygriffin]

So would LeBron. Who is regarded as a smarter player in general. How the hell is MJ the GOAT then??

lebron wouldn't beat jordan in 1 on 1 lol


he wouldn't have a full court run at the basket. he would need to utilize mid range shots and he would fail miserably. if kobe can body up lebron then jordan sure as hell can

[kennygriffin]

Been saying this for a while now, Kobe was closer to MJ than we think.

1. LeBron
2. Russell
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Shaq
7. Bird
8. Hakeem
9. Wilt
10. Jordan
11. West
12. Kobe

this is worth being banned tbh

[AlphaWolf24]

lol Kobe isn't and will never be considered number 2 by anyone, but you stans. With any reasonable and knowledgeable basketball fan he's borderline top 10.

nearly all of his peers say "he was the greatest since MJ"..."our generations Michael Jordan".....

if by "experts" you mean haterz online who never played organized BBALL..then ya....nerds online who are the opposite of KOBE ( ugly neckbeards who never get laid) hate true alphaness

MJ and Kobe 1A and 1B.....no cap

[AlphaWolf24]

Where the heck have you been?!?! I haven't seen you in ages. I hope life is treating you well these days great to see familiar face around here.

working, traveling, got really into BJJ and MMA....haven't really been playing or following BBALL as much as I used to.

I miss it though......hope all is good

[Cold soul]

Been saying this for a while now, Kobe was closer to MJ than we think.

1. LeBron
2. Russell
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Shaq
7. Bird
8. Hakeem
9. Wilt
10. Jordan
11. West
12. Kobe

This list is god awful just terrible.

[GrayGoat]

from 1997 to 2003 nobody torched jordan more than Kobe did

multiple games dropping 30+ at age 18/19

dominating MJ in multiple allstar games ( 1998/2002 )

then foiling MJ's 2003 allstar game ending

then dropping a triple double and a near half time 50 point game to retire his ass



who can forget kobe dunking on MJ twice and blocking his ass
Kobe touched the shit out of MJ. Kobe >> MJ

[Yeezy]

why was this kenneth guy banned. he made some good points about kobe vs MJ

[GrayGoat]

why was this kenneth guy banned. he made some good points about kobe vs MJ

Agree why? On top of that Kobe’s wife is miles better looking than MJ’s

[Axe]

Interesting.

[Phoenix]

why was this kenneth guy banned. he made some good points about kobe vs MJ

He was a deranged nutcase Kobe stan who couldn't stay away despite repeatedly saying he was leaving and numerous bans across several alt accounts. The joke is he always makes it obvious that it was him making another alt, like 'KennethGriffin's mom' or 'KennethGriffin_unclaimeddaughter' and the mods would OK his membership anyway. The board could definitely use some fresh blood so it's good that you, a brand new poster, have come along this month.

[Yeezy]

He was a deranged nutcase Kobe stan who couldn't stay away despite repeatedly saying he was leaving and numerous bans across several alt accounts. The joke is he always makes it obvious that it was him making another alt, like 'KennethGriffin's mom' or 'KennethGriffin_unclaimeddaughter' and the mods would OK his membership anyway. The board could definitely use some fresh blood so it's good that you, a brand new poster, have come along this month.

you obviously don't know the character limit for new user names

[Phoenix]

you obviously don't know the character limit for new user names

You obviously missed the point.

[Yeezy]

You obviously missed the point.

you obviously missed the deflection to your stupidity

[Phoenix]

you obviously missed the deflection to your stupidity

Your feathers appear ruffled, KennethGriffin_unclaimeddaughter.

[Yeezy]

Your feathers appear ruffled, KennethGriffin_unclaimeddaughter.

"exceeds character limit. please make between 8 and 16 characters"

[Phoenix]

"exceeds character limit. please make between 8 and 16 characters"

Seething.

[Yeezy]

Seething.

"name already taken"... by phoenix

[Full Court]

Whoever that banned KennethGriffin guy was, he was a complete idiot.

[Phoenix]

"name already taken"... by phoenix

Deeply hurt.

[Phoenix]

Whoever that banned KennethGriffin guy was, he was a complete idiot.

Unapologetically a fakkit.

[Yeezy]

Full Court/Phoenix

https://i.ibb.co/bz8Yc2y/Fixed-Real-Horsemouse-size-restricted.gif

[Yeezy]

Unapologetically a fakkit.

is that how you talk dirty to your man slave full rectum

[Full Court]

Yeezy's still trying to convince everyone years after he's dead and retired that Kobe is top ten. :lol

Good luck with that, genius.

[Phoenix]

is that how you talk dirty to your man slave full rectum

Awwwww, I can feel your anger.

[Street Hunger]

How would Kobe have done with Pippen as his right-hand man back in that era?

[aj1987]

How would Kobe have done with Pippen as his right-hand man back in that era?

Would've won MAYBE one title. That's it.

[Cold soul]

Yeezy's still trying to convince everyone years after he's dead and retired that Kobe is top ten. :lol

Good luck with that, genius.

Last time I checked Kobe still is. :confusedshrug:

[Soundwave]

Kobe has a case as the most talented SG/SF in NBA history offensively in terms of arsenal of moves and a relative mastery of that skill set.

But Jordan simply had higher basketball I.Q., he would not force things as much as Kobe did, was smarter in understanding the flow of the game and when to get his, which made him a functionally better player.

That is actually really one area where Jordan is just far superior to anyone, Kobe and LeBron included, Jordan was great at being able to generate burst offence to keep his team in games or bring them back into games or blow a game open. Kobe and LeBron surrender to game momentum a lot more than Jordan did, Jordan created momentum, he would hold the Bulls in games until they would snap out of a funk.

[Axe]

Kobe has a case as the most talented SG/SF in NBA history offensively in terms of arsenal of moves and a relative mastery of that skill set.

But Jordan simply had higher basketball I.Q., he would not force things as much as Kobe did, was smarter in understanding the flow of the game and when to get his, which made him a functionally better player.

That is actually really one area where Jordan is just far superior to anyone, Kobe and LeBron included, Jordan was great at being able to generate burst offence to keep his team in games or bring them back into games or blow a game open. Kobe and LeBron surrender to game momentum a lot more than Jordan did, Jordan created momentum, he would hold the Bulls in games until they would snap out of a funk.
Before or after the rule change?