The best Fighters of all time

[ArbitraryWater]

Or strongest, if you will.

Who you got?


Not sure about including Boxers, then it becomes a "relative to their sport" kind of thing.

[Prometheus]

Okay but why is the selection between 3 mma legends and a greco-roman wrestler? what an odd one to throw in there...

edit: four mma guys

[ArbitraryWater]

Okay but why is the selection between 3 mma legends and a greco-roman wrestler? what an odd one to throw in there...

edit: four mma guys

He just stands out from all non-MMA fighters the most

You think he'd get beaten too easily, or simply a matter of then others could be included?

[Ben Simmons 25]

You've already set it up in a relative fashion... because if you were just looking for the best, you would have picked nothing but heavyweights.

There's 0% chance that most of those guys don't get destroyed by legit heavyweights.

You're not asking who the best fighter of all time is... you're asking... something else.

[ArbitraryWater]

You've already set it up in a relative fashion... because if you were just looking for the best, you would have picked nothing but heavyweights.

There's 0% chance that most of those guys don't get destroyed by legit heavyweights.

You're not asking who the best fighter of all time is... you're asking... something else.

Well, at least regarding their weight class.

I didn't say strongest in the title for that reason. Different weight classes. But best indeed.

[Brujesino]

Okay but why is the selection between 3 mma legends and a greco-roman wrestler? what an odd one to throw in there...

edit: four mma guys
agreed

Jiu jitsu guys consider themselves fighters yet you dont have any of them on the list.

You should have just asked best MMA fighters of all time.

[ArbitraryWater]

agreed

Jiu jitsu guys consider themselves fighters yet you dont have any of them on the list.

You should have just asked best MMA fighters of all time.

Ignore Karelin then, fck it

[Ben Simmons 25]

Well, at least regarding their weight class.

I didn't say strongest in the title for that reason. Different weight classes. But best indeed.

No... not best at all. Not even close.

If you put random heavyweights up against the best little 140 lb shits that are champions, the little 140 lb shits would get destroyed.

Best is... who beats everyone else in a fight? Certainly no little runts that are weighing 140-160 lbs, lol.

Change that word "regarding" to 'relative to'... then we can have a discussion. But you aren't interested in who the best overall is. You're interested in discussing who has the most skill relative to their size... but that's not the same thing as best. Like literally not even close. They aren't the same discussion.

[ArbitraryWater]

No... not best at all. Not even close.

If you put random heavyweights up against the best little 140 lb shits that are champions, the little 140 lb shits would get destroyed.

Best is... who beats everyone else in a fight? Certainly no little runts that are weighing 140-160 lbs, lol.

Change that word "regarding" to 'relative to'... then we can have a discussion. But you aren't interested in who the best overall is. You're interested in discussing who has the most skill relative to their size... but that's not the same thing as best. Like literally not even close. They aren't the same discussion.

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You're wrong. Now contribute or don't.

[Ben Simmons 25]

http://66.media.tumblr.com/cbdc91841381d6aec48d9f8943bc5a4a/tumblr_inline_nojn8rKXHO1rved17_500.gif

You're wrong. Now contribute or don't.

You don't think Fedor would destroy Anderson Silva 100 times out of 100? Is this a joke?

This isn't semantics.

You are interested in discussing skill relative to size, you aren't interested in discussing best.

Have your thread.

[plowking]

Jon Jones the juicer as the best ever?

Not to mention his resume mainly consists of bloated MW's?

His resume isn't close to GSP or Silva.

People talk shit about HW being a weak division, but Jones has made a career in an even weaker division.

GSP is the GOAT.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Jon Jones the juicer as the best ever?

Not to mention his resume mainly consists of bloated MW's?

His resume isn't close to GSP or Silva.

People talk shit about HW being a weak division, but Jones has made a career in an even weaker division.

GSP is the GOAT.
Does Jones not have two dominant wins against Cormier (a guy who could/would be considered the GOAT if Jon didn't exist) ?

He's never been beaten. He's the most physically gifted mma fighter ever.

And you act like it's a joke for him to be considered the best? You are silly and delusional.

[Prometheus]

Simmons25... you're correct, but also irrelevant. Best is pretty typically spoken of in terms of relative to weight class. Silva calls GSP the GOAT. I head GSP call might mouse the GOAT.

Everyone knows heavyweights would win against lightweights. You're not helping with anything.

[plowking]

Does Jones not have two dominant wins against Cormier (a guy who could/would be considered the GOAT if Jon didn't exist) ?

He's never been beaten. He's the most physically gifted mma fighter ever.

And you act like it's a joke for him to be considered the best? You are silly and delusional.

Rampage and Gus are the only natural LHW's that he has beaten really.

Cormier is far better at HW. Granted, it is a great win. One of the few. He doesn't have two wins over Cormier, since he cheated, like he probably has for the majority of his career. Not to mention, he got to cheat, and still fight in his last fight against Gus. No biggie, its Jones though. To be expected.

Realistically, Jones is a bad matchup for Cormier. Is he a better fighter than Cormier? Well, one has been the LHW and HW champ, and only has one loss. Never a drug cheat too.

Meanwhile, the guy who has all the physical advantages, is too scared to go up to HW, and face guys where he won't have those advantages. How would Jones fair against Ngannou and Stipe? Big 265lbs guys who can take a shot and keep coming? Jones used to get injured in training from Overeem regularly. There is probably a good reason he doesn't move up to HW.

[egokiller]

Stipe would pretty much destroy anyone on that list. The loss to DC was a fluke, that's why DC won't give him a rematch. Stipe just had a kid so he wasn't fully into the fight. What's comical is that Stipe's first passion is being a fire fighter. MMA is way down on his list. He was kicking everyone's ass who's primary passion is MMA and he was doing it on their best day. Imagine if he actually took it seriously.

[egokiller]

No... not best at all. Not even close.

If you put random heavyweights up against the best little 140 lb shits that are champions, the little 140 lb shits would get destroyed.

Best is... who beats everyone else in a fight? Certainly no little runts that are weighing 140-160 lbs, lol.

Change that word "regarding" to 'relative to'... then we can have a discussion. But you aren't interested in who the best overall is. You're interested in discussing who has the most skill relative to their size... but that's not the same thing as best. Like literally not even close. They aren't the same discussion.

Bruce Lee would destroy anyone you could ever name that's not 140-160 lbs. GTFO with that shit.

[Ben Simmons 25]

Bruce Lee would destroy anyone you could ever name that's not 140-160 lbs. GTFO with that shit.

I don't know enough about Bruce Lee to comment and sure maybe he could be in the conversation, I really don't know.

But some of the names this guy put in there couldn't **** with most competent heavyweights... that was my point.

It's not impossible for a lighter guy to exist that can take out heavyweights... but nobody that he listed that was floating around 180 or less would touch someone like Fedor.

My point still stands that OP is more interested in talking about skill relative to weight class, not who is actually better.

The idea of Anderson Silva or GSP taking out Fedor is a joke.

[Psileas]

The Indian known as "Great Gama" should get a mention. He was one of Bruce Lee's biggest inspirations, since he copied lots of stuff out of his training regime. Despite not being too large, he went undefeated for literally decades and, after having established his dominance, it was hard for him to find any opponents to challenge him at all. He started challenging others, including 20 wrestlers to fight against him one after the other, promising he'd beat all 20 of them and still was getting rejected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Gama

[Prometheus]

Bruce Lee would destroy anyone you could ever name that's not 140-160 lbs. GTFO with that shit.

Are you sure about that?

:lol

[ArbitraryWater]

gentlemen!

[DukeDelonte13]

Did Bruce Lee ever have a real competitive sanctioned fight? Or was he just an actor?

[dunksby]

Prime Karelin would destroy all of these dudes, a heavyweight as nimble as any middleweight while strong as a wild bull.

[ErhnamDjinn]

Stipe would pretty much destroy anyone on that list. The loss to DC was a fluke, that's why DC won't give him a rematch. Stipe just had a kid so he wasn't fully into the fight. What's comical is that Stipe's first passion is being a fire fighter. MMA is way down on his list. He was kicking everyone's ass who's primary passion is MMA and he was doing it on their best day. Imagine if he actually took it seriously.
the only reason I dont consider Stipe higher was he lost to friggin Stefan Struve, and almost lost to Overeem who would have won if he went all in when he knockdown Stipe, they his glass chin met Stipe's punch. Although he was impressive against Naganou. I think the best HW aside from Fedor would be Cain Velasquez but Cain's body just doesnt hold out.

I think Prime Anderson Silva, Cain, Fedor, and GSP should always be in talks about GOAT.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Did Bruce Lee ever have a real competitive sanctioned fight? Or was he just an actor?
Just an actor. He would be destroyed by almost any current professional mma fighter if you could bring back prime Bruce with a time machine. He was ahead of his time for sure but most of what you hear about Bruce is just mythical bullshit because nobody knew what mma was when Bruce was around, so people talked about him like he was a god because he was doing shit nobody had ever seen.

[kennethgriffen]

lol@ all the blacks ITT voting for a cheater


racism is blinding

[BarberSchool]

Matt Mitrione could literally easily physically dissassemble Georges St. Pierre with his bare hands.

People really need to be realistic about size.
The average stocky plumber over 6ft and over 200lbs would take him down & end Floyd Mayweather's life on the ground. Ignoranmt people and women seem to have great difficulty guaging just how disproportionately deadly us large males are to any average sized human, much less some manlet.

[BarberSchool]

Just an actor. He would be destroyed by almost any current professional mma fighter if you could bring back prime Bruce with a time machine. He was ahead of his time for sure but most of what you hear about Bruce is just mythical bullshit because nobody knew what mma was when Bruce was around, so people talked about him like he was a god because he was doing shit nobody had ever seen.Preface: I love bruce Lee as a person, a public figure, and entertainer. But he is a very small man. 5'7"-5'8" and 135-140lbs.

Unpopular opinion, yet true:

At 6'5" 220, with a 6'8" wingspan, a moderate kickboxing background and build similar to Arron Aflalo, I would tackle Bruce Lee and end his life on the ground from side control, without excessive difficulty.

Change my mind.

[brownmamba00]

Preface: I love bruce Lee as a person, a public figure, and entertainer. But he is a very small man. 5'7"-5'8" and 135-140lbs.

Unpopular opinion, yet true:

At 6'5" 220, with a 6'8" wingspan, a moderate kickboxing background and build similar to Arron Aflalo, I would tackle Bruce Lee and end his life on the ground from side control, without excessive difficulty.

Change my mind.
No you wouldn't

Bruce Lee would take out your heart...eat it and shit it back out in your mouth.

You can be 7'9 for all I care

[BarberSchool]

No you wouldn't

Bruce Lee would take out your heart...eat it and shit it back out in your mouth.

You can be 7'9 for all I careYou are either a small man yourself, or have not seen the realities of the least talented least athletic heavyweight in the facility EASILY DESTROYING the best 140lber after said 140lb er talks shit.

There is a very specific reason weight classes exist. Because if they did not, almost no man under 185lbs would ever win a single fight except by freak accident.

Weight classes allow manlet fans to imagine men their size being champions/the best/etc.

It's an artifical reality, manufactured to get you to cough up money like suckers.

[Ben Simmons 25]

You are either a small man yourself, or have not seen the realities of the least talented least athletic heavyweight in the facility EASILY DESTROYING the best 140lber after said 140lb er talks shit.

There is a very specific reason weight classes exist. Because if they did not, almost no man under 185lbs would ever win a single fight except by freak accident.

Weight classes allow manlet fans to imagine men their size being champions/the best/etc.

It's an artifical reality, manufactured to get you to cough up money like suckers.


Bingo.

Well, to be fair though... a lot of the lighter guys have an extreme level of skill... but there's no way that any of them would beat the heavyweights that also have skill... even if the skill of the lighter guy was higher.

Anyone that thinks that size doesn't matter in fighting should watch Shaq vs De La Hoya... granted, they were wearing protective gear and it was a TV show, but still...

Skill isn't the question in the OP... he said... "who's the best fighter?" and I guarantee it's nobody under 190 lbs...

As I've repeatedly said, guys like GSP and Silva would get absolutely destroyed against competent heavyweights.

[andgar923]

Uh... where's 'Foo' at?

[brownmamba00]

You are either a small man yourself, or have not seen the realities of the least talented least athletic heavyweight in the facility EASILY DESTROYING the best 140lber after said 140lb er talks shit.

There is a very specific reason weight classes exist. Because if they did not, almost no man under 185lbs would ever win a single fight except by freak accident.

Weight classes allow manlet fans to imagine men their size being champions/the best/etc.

It's an artifical reality, manufactured to get you to cough up money like suckers.
I'm 6'1 bro bro

You've never been in a fight in your life. I can tell. The actual skill of fighting matters so much more than just size and weight. SMH.

[brownmamba00]

Isn't Mike Tyson something like 5'8-5'9...and he's the meanest HW ever...

Size don't mean shit

[Ben Simmons 25]

Isn't Mike Tyson something like 5'8-5'9...and he's the meanest HW ever...

Size don't mean shit

"Don't mean shit" eh?

There are always exceptions in life, lol.

So do you think Khabib is capable of beating Fedor? Just curious.

[BarberSchool]

I'm 6'1 bro bro

You've never been in a fight in your life. I can tell. The actual skill of fighting matters so much more than just size and weight. SMH.I was a kickboxer. So was a deceased cousin of mine. My other older cousin was an undefeated bellator fighter who retired early before concussions started imapcting cognition which would inhibit his work as a software engineer.

I have a Turkish Ferik in my father's ancestry. A grandfather of German military rank as well. Several navy Seals and one green beret in my mothers side of the family all near my size. My Bellator cuz has jamaican prize fighter ancestry. As well as both us us sharing ancestry with handsome Billy Conn. Fighting & warfare runs deep in my & my close fam's ancestry.

I sent the 3rd biggest kid in 5th grade to the hospital for over a week in my first untrained playground fight as a 4th grader. With one overhand right and an instinctual double knee drop to his spine and rear ribs. In a split second i came very close to puncturing the most notorious bully's lungs or heart with his broken ribs, despite having zero training on any type of fighting in my life, as i was much more academically gifted and not a problem child. Simply instinct delivered something so frighteningly lethal to everyone's eyes at recess that day.

As a grown man I have torn lots of connective tissue with both leg kicks and top submission from guard and side control. when ending conflicts. Me and two of my cousins bounced at numerous places in Champaign, IL and Chicago. KO'd just under a dozen drunks that just wouldn't listen to the calm voice of reason. Could have had prpobably 50 notches, but i'm very patient and love appealing to a man's better nature.

In training, I've Sunk in hundreds of guillotine and Rear naked chokes, as well as one leg triangle. i have an 80" reach, and have gotten near 1100 PSI 8 years ago. I have sparred with Patrick HD Barry and Matt Mitrione at Duke Roufus. (two of the nicest & funniest guys ever)

I would enjoy fighting you for fun.
Wouldn't be much fun for you son.
My word means sh!t. Yours doesn't son.

[BarberSchool]

Isn't Mike Tyson something like 5'8-5'9...and he's the meanest HW ever...

Size don't mean shitMike was 5'10" barefoot and 240lbs.
Keep telling yourself he was a small man lol

[brownmamba00]

"Don't mean shit" eh?

There are always exceptions in life, lol.

So do you think Khabib is capable of beating Fedor? Just curious.
For it to be an exception it should only happen once or twice but I've seen many bigger guys get their wigs split by a relatively smaller guy IRL and prof fighting.

Back when Overeem was fighting k1 he almost got his head knocked off by Badr Hari in the 1st round. Same thing with Semmy Schildt. Altho both got their revenge later.

Ngannou vs Stipe?

Obviously size matters but you got to know how to fight, my guy.

[brownmamba00]

Mike was 5'10" barefoot and 240lbs.
Keep telling yourself he was a small man lol
There have been bigger HW champs than that :oldlol:

Keep cutting hair bro bro you can't fight for shit

[BarberSchool]

For it to be an exception it should only happen once or twice but I've seen many bigger guys get their wigs split by a relatively smaller guy IRL and prof fighting.

Back when Overeem was fighting k1 he almost got his head knocked off by Badr Hari in the 1st round. Same thing with Semmy Schildt. Altho both got their revenge later.

Ngannou vs Stipe?

Obviously size matters but you got to know how to fight, my guy.Bro Badr is 6'8" and stronger than leBron in the weight room, & he is your example of a "a smaller man" ??????

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
NEXT !

[Vino24]

Justin

[BarberSchool]

There have been bigger HW champs than that :oldlol:

Keep cutting hair bro bro you can't fight for shitLOL recall that ex defensive lineman who made Kimbo Slice look like a defenseless child ? I sparred with him in Milwaukee mad times son. Woul;d love to spar with you to shut you the f#@k up.

[brownmamba00]

Bro Badr is 6'8" and stronger than leBron in the weight room, & he is your example of a "a smaller man" ??????

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
NEXT !
Sammy Schildt is way bigger in size.

[brownmamba00]

When Badr fought AO he was way skinnier idiot

[BarberSchool]

Sammy Schildt is way bigger in size.Keep digging that grave son. :applause:

6'11" 300 lbs
vs
6'8" 265 lbs
+
they each beat each other
=
Your GOAT "smaller man" argument.
Take your fish oil, play chess/sudoku my nicca :roll: :roll: :roll:
It's been one for you here :roll: :applause:

[BarberSchool]

When Badr fought AO he was way skinnier idiotYoung Badr was still 240-252 yo.
Tell me with a straight face what Bruce Lee finna do to Semmy Schilt my n!cca AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[brownmamba00]

Keep digging that grave son. :applause:

6'11" 300 lbs
vs
6'8" 265 lbs
+
they each beat each other
=
Your GOAT "smaller man" argument.
Take your fish oil, play chess/sudoku my nicca :roll: :roll: :roll:
It's been one for you here :roll: :applause:

Yeah just gloss over francis ngannou vs stipe

Also badr was not 265 at the time in 08

You're the type guy that'll ask for a fade in the park. When the guy shows up you got a pair of scissors in your hands ready to give him the fade. Barber boy. Never disrespect Bruce Lee again*.

[Smoke117]

What would you know about fighting, soy boy? Aren't you the cuck who had got in an argument at school and told the teacher instead of square up like a man? Bitch ass nikka.

Also, it's the Spider, period.

[ArbitraryWater]

As a guy who doesnt know much of doping and its affects, how much could it possibly help, in the case of Jon Jones? What does it give that he otherwise wouldnt have?

Im assuming it wasnt just simply ped's to grow more muscles/muscles more easily?

[PistonsFan#21]

As a guy who doesnt know much of doping and its affects, how much could it possibly help, in the case of Jon Jones? What does it give that he otherwise wouldnt have?

Im assuming it wasnt just simply ped's to grow more muscles/muscles more easily?

PED obviously wont help you with the technical aspects of fighting but it would give you more stamina, more power, higher testosterone levels and quicker recovery time. Most athletes that juice usually do it in their offseason period so they can train longer, harder and more often than a natural athlete. They are already off cycle for a few weeks by fight night but sometimes there is still remains that can be found in their blood.

[plowking]

PED obviously wont help you with the technical aspects of fighting but it would give you more stamina, more power, higher testosterone levels and quicker recovery time. Most athletes that juice usually do it in their offseason period so they can train longer, harder and more often than a natural athlete. They are already off cycle for a few weeks by fight night but sometimes there is still remains that can be found in their blood.

More training means brushing up on the technical side of things.

It helps a tremendous amount, especially what Jones took, considering it is one of the drugs that allows you to increase your strength without putting on mass. Kind of a necessity for a guy fighting in a limited weight division, huh...

Jones isn't taking this shit for shits and giggles. People also like to point to other guys taking it, and they aren't doing the things he is. Sure. It is chemistry at the end of the day, and it impacts everyone differently.

It is a combat sport. If one of the leading experts in the world says that this shit can take off .2 to .5 seconds off your personal best in the 100m sprint, what do you think it can do in a sport where you beat the shit out of the other guy?

[AlternativeAcc.]

Jones is clean now but there are studies that show PED use has long-lasting effects.. something to do with mitochondria...

That being said it's hard not to deny what hes done.


I really dont understand why people continue to list silva as the GOAT. he was doping too but he was less impressive than jones. He got murked by chael sonnen for four straight rounds ffs. Silva had weaknesses that jones simply doesnt have.

[plowking]

Jones is clean now but there are studies that show PED use has long-lasting effects.. something to do with mitochondria...

That being said it's hard not to deny what hes done.


I really dont understand why people continue to list silva as the GOAT. he was doping too but he was less impressive than jones. He got murked by chael sonnen for four straight rounds ffs. Silva had weaknesses that jones simply doesnt have.

He just got tested and had the metabolites still in his system. He isn't clean. :oldlol:

In fact, he is the only one allowed to fight with illegal metabolites in his system. Not just that, they tried to have their media team make up some fake science to allow him to fight. :oldlol:

[AlternativeAcc.]

He just got tested and had the metabolites still in his system. He isn't clean. :oldlol:

In fact, he is the only one allowed to fight with illegal metabolites in his system. Not just that, they tried to have their media team make up some fake science to allow him to fight. :oldlol:
Not enough for a performance enhancement bruh

https://i.imgur.com/nADPcI0.gif

The metabolite can stay in your system for years...


I don't think he's still actively cheating. I really don't. These tests don't mean anything other than at one point he knowingly or unknowingly took turanibol and the metabolite is still in his system. It's in no way proof that he's knowingly taking steroids.

[FreezingTsmoove]

As a guy who doesnt know much of doping and its affects, how much could it possibly help, in the case of Jon Jones? What does it give that he otherwise wouldnt have?

Im assuming it wasnt just simply ped's to grow more muscles/muscles more easily?

Doing 2-3 months of doping is like the equivalent of training 2-3 years...

I cant even support Jon Jones anymore. He isnt on anything anymore but he clearly has benefitted from his juice cycle. His last 3 fights he hasnt even looked human....

[ArbitraryWater]

Doing 2-3 months of doping is like the equivalent of training 2-3 years...

I cant even support Jon Jones anymore. He isnt on anything anymore but he clearly has benefitted from his juice cycle. His last 3 fights he hasnt even looked human....

what do you mean by that? His energy? movement?

[ArbitraryWater]

bump

im particularly interested in statements such as these.

anyone care to argue it?


As I've repeatedly said, guys like GSP and Silva would get absolutely destroyed against competent heavyweights.

[Gougou]

In my mind GSP is the GOAT.

But if Jon Jones can clear out the HW division, beat Ngannou and Stipe, he will be the unanimous goat.

[MrFonzworth]

You don't think Fedor would destroy Anderson Silva 100 times out of 100? Is this a joke?

This isn't semantics.

You are interested in discussing skill relative to size, you aren't interested in discussing best.

Have your thread.

Another autistic gem:roll: