Harden vs Lebron: last 5 seasons

[ImKobe]

Harden: 30/6/9 61.1%TS 27.7 PER .249 WS/48 1 MVP, incoming 2nd this year
Lebron: 26/8/8 60.2%TS 27.1 PER .218 WS/48 0 MVPs


Is it fair to say that Harden's been the better player over the past 5 years?

[SouBeachTalents]

Post their playoff stats

[Gileraracer]

Yes it is. Lebron has the advantage of team hopping 2 times, thats it.

[Akrazotile]

Harden: 30/6/9 61.1%TS 27.7 PER .249 WS/48 1 MVP, incoming 2nd this year
Lebron: 26/8/8 60.2%TS 27.1 PER .218 WS/48 0 MVPs


Is it fair to say that Harden's been the better player over the past 5 years?


Both are better than Chuckbe by the metrics (and eye test)

[Manny98]

1. Playoffs

2. LeBron doesn't even go all out in the regular season anymore so what your basically saying is old LeBron at 65% effort is still pretty much equal to peak Harden at 100% effort :eek:

[Gileraracer]

1. Playoffs

2. LeBron doesn't even go all out in the regular season anymore so what your basically saying is old LeBron at 65% effort is still pretty much equal to peak Harden at 100% effort :eek:

Yeah especially on the defensive site. That doesn't change in the playoffs :lol

[superduper]

King....James :rockon:

[G0ATbe]

Does kobe have a 5year span better than either of those? Just curious.

[Mr Feeny]

Harden: 30/6/9 61.1%TS 27.7 PER .249 WS/48 1 MVP, incoming 2nd this year
Lebron: 26/8/8 60.2%TS 27.1 PER .218 WS/48 0 MVPs


Is it fair to say that Harden's been the better player over the past 5 years?
Source for these stats or are you making up crap as usual?

[kennethgriffen]

well neither guy plays defense and both cheese layups/abuse rules and travel nonstop so this is kind of a fair comparison i guess

[Rico2016]

Post their playoff stats



Both are better than Chuckbe by the metrics (and eye test)

Quick work /thread

[Rico2016]

LeBron doesn't even go all out in the regular season anymore so what your basically saying is old LeBron at 65% effort is still pretty much equal to peak Harden at 100% effort :eek:

Shit :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Bronbron23]

Damn there's alot of stat geeks on this forum. I swear half of y'all go home and jerk off to numbers.

One guy has taken his team to the finals every year and won a chip against a great team and the other hasn't even been to the finals as the teams best player and possibly never will. How is this even a serious question

[ImKobe]

Damn there's alot of stat geeks on this forum. I swear half of y'all go home and jerk off to numbers.

One guy has taken his team to the finals every year and won a chip against a great team and the other hasn't even been to the finals as the teams best player and possibly never will. How is this even a serious question

Oh, so winning is more important than numbers?

Never thought I'd see the day a Lebron fan would admit this. Thank you.

[Rico2016]

Oh, so winning is more important than numbers?

Never thought I'd see the day a Lebron fan would admit this. Thank you.

Sheesh pull up the playoff numbers if you care about numbers homie :hammerhead:

[ImKobe]

Harden pushed the Warriors to a Game 7 while Lebron got swept.

[Rico2016]

Harden pushed the Warriors to a Game 7 while Lebron got swept.

Houston and Cleveland rosters please thanks

You're better than this...Or a rookie NBA fan

[Bronbron23]

Oh, so winning is more important than numbers?

Never thought I'd see the day a Lebron fan would admit this. Thank you.
Yes actually winning is more important than numbers. When it comes to comparing great players you obviously have to have both but winning is definitely more important.

And yes Bron is my favorite player today but I put him behind alot of past great players because he's not as great of a winner. I have mj, Kobe, kareem and magic all ahead of him.

[ImKobe]

Yes actually winning is more important than numbers. When it comes to comparing great players you obviously have to have both but winning is definitely more important.

And yes Bron is my favorite player today but I put him behind alot of past great players because he's not as great of a winner. I have mj, Kobe, kareem and magic all ahead of him.

A true, objective Lebron stan.

future repped :cheers:

[superduper]

Houston and Cleveland rosters please thanks

You're better than this...Or a rookie NBA fan

Bran had 1 allstar teammate
King James had 0 allstar teammates

:rockon:

[Mr Feeny]

Harden pushed the Warriors to a Game 7 while Lebron got swept.

I asked you a basic question. Source for your stats?

[ImKobe]

Bran had 1 allstar teammate
King James had 0 allstar teammates

:rockon:

got em :lol

[ImKobe]

I asked you a basic question. Source for your stats?

basketball-reference

[SouBeachTalents]

Post their playoff stats
Wonder why OP avoided this :oldlol:

LeBron: 31/10/8 58% TS 29.4 PER .247 WS/48 1 FMVP
Harden: 28/5/8 58% TS 24.1 PER .169 WS/48 0 FMVP

Consider yourself lucky his aberration of inefficiency in 2015 was included, otherwise this would be an even bigger slaughter

[NBAGOAT]

Wonder why OP avoided this :oldlol:

LeBron: 31/10/8 58% TS 29.4 PER .247 WS/48 1 FMVP
Harden: 28/5/8 58% TS 24.1 PER .169 WS/48 0 FMVP

Consider yourself lucky his aberration of inefficiency in 2015 was included, otherwise this would be an even bigger slaughter

harden's arent nearly as bad as what you would think but Bron's numbers are monstrous. He coasts pretty hard during RS so it's hard to rate him.

[superduper]

Wonder why OP avoided this :oldlol:

LeBron: 31/10/8 58% TS 29.4 PER .247 WS/48 1 FMVP
Harden: 28/5/8 58% TS 24.1 PER .169 WS/48 0 FMVP

Consider yourself lucky his aberration of inefficiency in 2015 was included, otherwise this would be an even bigger slaughter

If Harden had team hopped *in his prime* to two separate superteams with two other superstars *in their primes* he would EASILY be better than 3/9.

[NBAGOAT]

If Harden had team hopped *in his prime* to two separate superteams with two other superstars *in their primes* he would EASILY be better than 3/9.

okc and last year's rockets certainly can be considered superteams

[superduper]

okc and last year's rockets certainly can be considered superteams

OKC-
they were all 22-23 year old kids who were nowhere close to the players they are now (inb4 these virginal fa66ots bring up stats).

HOU-
King James had ZERO allstar teammates. Superteam?
:biggums: :biggums: :roll: :roll:

[NBAGOAT]

OKC-
they were all 22-23 year old kids who were nowhere close to the players they are now (inb4 these virginal fa66ots bring up stats).

HOU-

King James had ZERO allstar teammates. Superteam?
:biggums: :biggums: :roll: :roll:

If 23 year old Westbrook isnt a superstar, there's no way in hell Bosh or skinny Love are lol. I dont need stats, no one considered Bosh more important than Westbrook. Hou had still prime CP3, Capela, Gordon, and other great role players(i'm talking just last year). That stacks up to a bunch of great 90s teams who were built similarly with 2 stars and a 3rd and maybe 4th very good player

[SouBeachTalents]

Let's not forget these masterpiece performances with the season on the line

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu6G-yx9jAo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKE9auHKxq0

[Smoke117]

Harden pushed the Warriors to a Game 7 while Lebron got swept.

lol...did you even watch that series? Chris Paul was the best player on the Rockets and the one making all the big plays in those wins they had against the Warriors. Harden, meanwhile, was doing everything possible to shoot them out of those games. Harden didn't push shit to 7 games.

[aj1987]

Wonder why OP avoided this :oldlol:

LeBron: 31/10/8 58% TS 29.4 PER .247 WS/48 1 FMVP
Harden: 28/5/8 58% TS 24.1 PER .169 WS/48 0 FMVP

Consider yourself lucky his aberration of inefficiency in 2015 was included, otherwise this would be an even bigger slaughter
OP should go jump off a cliff. What a retard. :oldlol:

[3ball]

1. Playoffs

2. LeBron doesn't even go all out in the regular season anymore so what your basically saying is old LeBron at 65% effort is still pretty much equal to peak Harden at 100% effort :eek:
So don't complain about being an underdog when lebron isn't working to build a great team in the regular season..

This fool won 51 games in 2017.. 51 .. let that sink in.. AND he had the temerity to ask for more help despite a prime kyrie and love.. there's no excuse for him not having 60+ wins and a dominant favorite like kawhi and curry did that year

You can't make this shit up.. the guy is a fraud.. and defensively, he's the only bad defender on his team - the only guy getting killed by his matchup in his last 4 Finals losses.. again - he's a fraud

[bigkingsfan]

So don't complain about being an underdog when lebron isn't working to build a great team in the regular season..

This fool won 51 games in 2017.. 51 .. let that sink in.. AND he had the temerity to ask for more help despite a prime kyrie and love.. there's no excuse for him not having 60+ wins and a dominant favorite like kawhi and curry did that year

You can't make this shit up.. the guy is a fraud.. and defensively, he's the only bad defender on his team - the only guy getting killed by his matchup in his last 4 Finals losses.. again - he's a fraud
MJ rested for nearly two years and came back with 17 games remaining, let dat sink in!

[3ball]

MJ rested for nearly two years and came back with 17 games remaining, let dat sink in!
And he 3-peated after that, so better than lebron's whole career

Let that sink in

[bigkingsfan]

And he 3-peated after that, so better than lebron's whole career

Let that sink in
No he didn't, he lost in the 2nd round right after that.

[aj1987]

And he 3-peated after that, so better than lebron's whole career

Let that sink in
He got wrecked in '95. :roll: :roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

And he 3-peated after that, so better than lebron's whole career

Let that sink in
Nah, dude lost in the 2nd round to a team that got swept in the Finals

[3ball]

Nah, dude lost in the 2nd round to a team that got swept in the Finals
He was the underdog in that series

Whereas Lebron's heavily favored 1 seed lost to Dwight, who got curb-stomped by Kobe

:roll:

And he lost to Dirk, the weakest cast to ever make a Final also, according to 538

:roll:


Then he owns the top 2 Finals blowouts, to 2 different opponents!!! (so it's just his style, not a one-off)











:roll: :yaohappy:

[bigkingsfan]

He was the underdog in that series

Whereas Lebron's heavily favored 1 seed lost to Dwight, who got curb-stomped by Kobe

:roll:

And he lost to Dirk, the weakest cast to ever make a Final also, according to 538

:roll:


Then he owns the top 2 Finals blowouts, to 2 different opponents!!! (so it's just his style, not a one-off)











:roll: :yaohappy:
Both teams advanced past the 2nd round. Didn't get swept in the finals either. :banana:

[Rico2016]

Wonder why OP avoided this :oldlol:

LeBron: 31/10/8 58% TS 29.4 PER .247 WS/48 1 FMVP
Harden: 28/5/8 58% TS 24.1 PER .169 WS/48 0 FMVP

Consider yourself lucky his aberration of inefficiency in 2015 was included, otherwise this would be an even bigger slaughter

Truth bomb BAM

[Duncan21formvp]

Harden: 30/6/9 61.1%TS 27.7 PER .249 WS/48 1 MVP, incoming 2nd this year
Lebron: 26/8/8 60.2%TS 27.1 PER .218 WS/48 0 MVPs


Is it fair to say that Harden's been the better player over the past 5 years?

Harden definitely has been better.