Hawaii receives lowest recorded elevation snowfall in history

[Long Duck Dong]

And the first time ever recorded on a state park.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-sPdE4Yi4U


http://m.newser.com/story/271195/hawaii-has-snow-where-it-never-snowed-before.html

[QUOTE]Hawaii may be known for sunny beaches, but it's not that unusual for the state to get snow a few times a year. However, that's usually limited to its highest points, such as Mauna Kea, which rises nearly 14,000 feet in elevation, reports SFGate. Snow rarely is seen below 10,000 feet

[highwhey]

i understand your narrative here, but global warming is measured on a global scale, not hawaii.

anyhow, Hawaii may be the most beautiful place in the USA

[FreezingTsmoove]

We have only been recording temperatures for 135 years... for all we know this is the natural cycle of the Earth

[Prometheus]

So do people on this forum think climate change is a hoax?

[ItsMillerTime]

So do people on this forum think climate change is a hoax?

Of course they do.

In 2019, scientific fact is up for debate.

[Prometheus]

environmental scientists are in virtually unanimous consensus

but WAIT

50% of politicians disagree. so there is definitely a debate right?

:facepalm

[Patrick Chewing]

We have only been recording temperatures for 135 years... for all we know this is the natural cycle of the Earth


Which is the most logical answer to what's happening.

[kennethgriffen]

theres an obvious magnetic pole shift going on

[TheMan]

OP needs to get his agenda in line with MAGA...

First he links a scientific study claiming the decimation of the Native American populace as a reason the earth went through a cool down period because of a continental lack of farming, which would lend credence to the fact that humans CAN affect the earth's climate and now he links us to a study trying to undermine global warming...

Which is it OP? Do humans affect the world's climate or nah?

[TheMan]

We have only been recording temperatures for 135 years... for all we know this is the natural cycle of the Earth
Scientists have ways of studying earth's climate past, from sediment, tree rings, Artic ice etc. I don't believe the Ice Age happened within the last 150 years yet we know it happened...oh wait, cavemen left a journal :rolleyes:

[MaxFly]

We have only been recording temperatures for 135 years... for all we know this is the natural cycle of the Earth

Reminds me of the arguments the tabacco industry used to make. "People have been dying from cancer for millennia. How do we know our products are causing cancer and that this isn't a naturally occuring phenomenon!"

[n00bie]

So do people on this forum think climate change is a hoax?

No one denies that climate is changing, however our influence on the change is debatable. Earth's climate has been changing for millions of years.. with or without humans.

Do you think wasting less water or driving your car less makes that much of a difference? If you really want to make a difference, stop eating meat.

The amount of trees we cut down so we can farm is ridiculous. You take farms out & replace them back with trees, that will have a huge impact on the environment.

[fiddy]

i understand your narrative here, but global warming is measured on a global scale, not hawaii.

anyhow, Hawaii may be the most beautiful place in the USA
Dem low standards :roll:

[Akrazotile]

No one denies that climate is changing, however our influence on the change is debatable. Earth's climate has been changing for millions of years.. with or without humans.

Do you think wasting less water or driving your car less makes that much of a difference? If you really want to make a difference, stop eating meat.

The amount of trees we cut down so we can farm is ridiculous. You take farms out & replace them back with trees, that will have a huge impact on the environment.


Any solutions that could inconvenience the left are out of the question.

Climate change is not about sacrifice or making a difference or saving the environment. It’s about feeling superior on the internet to those whose list of current outrages/injustices is not as up to date and trendy as yours.

[Long Duck Dong]

Not one mention climate change and the libs are all triggered by cold weather. How much humans are affecting the climate is unknown. If someone tells you matter of factly they do know, they are lying. What we do know, is that if it is significant and humans are making the weather either colder or hotter, there's a 50% chance that we are making it BETTER. :oldlol: Depends if you think the earth needs to warm up or cool down.

I've always wondered why these people get so caught up with global warming or climate change as they call it now for a catch-all phrase, and instead focus on pollution which can be measured and health effects directly verified. I guess climate change as a doomsday scenario is much more dramatic allowing more money to flow into research, better virtue signaling for those in search of a cause, and a better tool for politicians to control the population with.

[Patrick Chewing]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/720x405/p070j8fr.jpg

[bladefd]

OP needs to get his agenda in line with MAGA...

First he links a scientific study claiming the decimation of the Native American populace as a reason the earth went through a cool down period because of a continental lack of farming, which would lend credence to the fact that humans CAN affect the earth's climate and now he links us to a study trying to undermine global warming...

Which is it OP? Do humans affect the world's climate or nah?

:oldlol:

Climate change deniers tend to be uneducated morons, just like the "vaccines cause autism" idiots. Lil Donny happens to be both.

[Prometheus]

you motherf*ckers are insane

stop listening to politicians and listen to what scientists have to say about a scientific issue

i don't have any political agenda. as centrist as you will find. this is not a political issue. its a matter of science only

[bladefd]

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]Any solutions that could inconvenience the left are out of the question.

Climate change is not about sacrifice or making a difference or saving the environment. It

[Long Duck Dong]

:oldlol:

Climate change deniers tend to be uneducated morons, just like the "vaccines cause autism" idiots. Lil Donny happens to be both.

No one is denying the climate changes and it's funny you mention anti-vaxxers. They tend to be much better educated and have higher incomes than your average family even though they are wrong.

[tpols]

OP might be the biggest npc on this board.

straight parrot. named after the wrong bird.

[Akrazotile]

and you are one of those morons. Tell me, do you also believe vaccines cause autism? I want to know how much of an idiot you are, Akrazytool.



I absolutely believe humans impact the climate, the environment, natural habits, etc.

I believe it was a death sentence to this planet to ever provide “humanitarian aid” to third world countries, which is now causing population explosions that are reeking havoc on the environment and catalyzing the extinction of tons of wildlife species.

For you, obviously, suggesting such a thing would be too scary because youre an average mind and MUST stick to standard left wing talking points or else risk alienation from the group, and there goes all your security. What if you agreed with me? Someone might call you RACIST and you would straight have a heart attack. Youre terrified of being called out by other libs, because you know your status in the group is average at best.

Instead you just call me a climate change denier (untrue) and propose hybrid cars and closing coal mines as the solution when that’s simply a drop in the bucket. Youre just repeatin standard tropes fed to sheep like you FOR the purpose of repeating mindlessly. You have no original thoughts on the subject whatsoever. Youre simply repeating programmed phrases on a loop.

[Akrazotile]

No one is denying the climate changes and it's funny you mention anti-vaxxers. They tend to be much better educated and have higher incomes than your average family even though they are wrong.


Yeah but that accusation is literally the ONLY thing he has memorized to say on the subject.

He has no useful, independently thought input to contribute. He’s a machine on a loop. So all we’re going to get from him on the topic is that one memorized line.

It’s his science-discussion version of “Orange Man Bad.”

[tpols]

I absolutely believe humans impact the climate, the environment, natural habits, etc.

I believe it was a death sentence to this planet to ever provide “humanitarian aid” to third world countries, which is now causing population explosions that are reeking havoc on the environment and catalyzing the extinction of tons of wildlife species.

For you, obviously, suggesting such a thing would be too scary because youre an average mind and MUST stick to standard left wing talking points or else risk alienation from the group, and there goes all your security.

Instead you just call me a climate change denier (untrue) and propose hybrid cars and closing coal mines as the solution when that’s simply a drop in the bucket. Youre just repeatin standard tropes fed to sheep like you FOR the purpose of repeating mindlessly. You have no original thoughts on the subject whatsoever. Youre simply repeating programmed phrases on a loop.


npc? :lol


yea its hard to care about climate change since asia is pumping out more pollution than we could ever make a dent in. but it is funny to see people denying it on one off microscopic sample sizes like this thread.

[Akrazotile]

npc? :lol


yea its hard to care about climate change since asia is pumping out more pollution than we could ever make a dent in. but it is funny to see people denying it on one off microscopic sample sizes like this thread.


Every reasonably strong hurricane weve had in the last 5 years has produced a ton of shrill, hysterical libbots claiming it’s a direct result of our worst climate change fears coming true.

But then when we have record cold, you dont hear them drawing any conclusions, and in fact they angrily berate anyone who dare propose it suggests a conclusion in conflict with their obsessive agenda.

Im pretty sure that’s the kind of doublethink OP was satirizing in his post.

No?

[tpols]

Every reasonably strong hurricane weve had in the last 5 years has produced a ton of shrill, hysterical libbots claiming it’s a direct result of our worst climate change fears coming true.

But then when we have record cold, you dont hear them drawing any conclusions, and in fact they angrily berate anyone who dare propose it suggests a conclusion in conflict with their obsessive agenda.

Im pretty sure that’s the kind of doublethink OP was satirizing in his post.

No?


climate change's argument isnt just that it's getting hotter... it's that climate is growing more volatile and unpredictable ~ hot, cold, storms everything included. which this article ironically verifies. They were supposedly getting 70 mph winds.

[Akrazotile]

climate change's argument isnt just that it's getting hotter... it's that climate is growing more volatile and unpredictable ~ hot, cold, storms everything included. which this article ironically verifies. They were supposedly getting 70 mph winds.


So 10 years ago, when ALL the current climate change alarmists were calling it global warming, and others were saying “Are you sure about that?” and all the alarmists ripped off the heads of anyone skeptical of “global warming”

Now youve had to concede you had the term wrong (even tho you were in-your-face convinced it was right at the time and anyone who questioned it was a nazi) but now we’re supposed to take you seriously because THIS time you’re exactly right about everything and have all the science and data worked out perfectly?

And not only is it not enough to agree the climate changes, and humans could very well be impacting it, we have to agree with you EXACTLY how fast it’s happening, how important the issue is, what must be done, etc, or else we’re racist nazis, blah blah blah.


Do you see the big picture here, tpols? YOURE actually the mob, the conformists, the angry fascists, the fear mongers and the lunatics. You dont care if you have the picture filled in yet or how accurate you actully are, youre rushing to politically weaopinze the issue and use it as a dividing line between good guy and bad guy.

You cant see that?

[bladefd]

No one denies that climate is changing, however our influence on the change is debatable. Earth's climate has been changing for millions of years.. with or without humans.

Do you think wasting less water or driving your car less makes that much of a difference? If you really want to make a difference, stop eating meat.

The amount of trees we cut down so we can farm is ridiculous. You take farms out & replace them back with trees, that will have a huge impact on the environment.

Our influence on the change is not debatable. Cars emit CO2, which we know for a fact is a greenhouse gas (we haven't even discussed other greenhouse gases during life-cycle of a single car, such as manufacturing, disposal of batteries, etc).

To get meat, you also release lots of methane from the cattle/animals - another dangerous greenhouse gas. Yes, we need to eat less meat and create less cattle. Lots of people think if we consume less cattle then there would be more cattle, but they don't understand we don't eat wild animals (excluding fishes). We domesticate animals specially for consumption based on the demand. If demand goes down, so does the supply. We have to eat less meat because cattle requires ground, which we create through deforestation.

Cutting down trees creates double whammy.. Fewer trees to take in the excess CO2 we emitted means less fresh oxygen being exhaled by trees. Fewer trees also means the ground is opened up for more sunlight to be absorbed by the ground rather than reflected back into space - creates more extreme weather swings (climate change becomes more extreme including more droughts across Earth and more extreme summers in some areas/more extreme winters in others). Forests act as a buffer for us, all living things and the Earth itself.

As for wasting freshwater, the more you waste, the harder you have to work to draw more. Water scarcity is a major issue in many countries, if not most. The way we get water requires burning of fossil fuels for things like transportation to refill aquifers and underground groundwater wells. The more water we waste, the more fossil fuels we burn to get to more. Maybe someday we will be okay with wasting water when we can do desalination on large scale and have clean renewable energy source to power the desalination plants, but that day is not today.

[tpols]

:roll:

show me one post where i called it that.

you really have a problem with making a strawman and lumping everybody under its umbrella.

[bladefd]

I absolutely believe humans impact the climate, the environment, natural habits, etc.

I believe it was a death sentence to this planet to ever provide “humanitarian aid” to third world countries, which is now causing population explosions that are reeking havoc on the environment and catalyzing the extinction of tons of wildlife species.

For you, obviously, suggesting such a thing would be too scary because youre an average mind and MUST stick to standard left wing talking points or else risk alienation from the group, and there goes all your security. What if you agreed with me? Someone might call you RACIST and you would straight have a heart attack. Youre terrified of being called out by other libs, because you know your status in the group is average at best.

Instead you just call me a climate change denier (untrue) and propose hybrid cars and closing coal mines as the solution when that’s simply a drop in the bucket. Youre just repeatin standard tropes fed to sheep like you FOR the purpose of repeating mindlessly. You have no original thoughts on the subject whatsoever. Youre simply repeating programmed phrases on a loop.

That's not why population explosions are happening. The reason is two-fold (more reasons but these two are the absolute largest): drop in mortality due to advances in medicine/vaccines/more focus on hygiene/nutrition/etc and secondly lack of access to birth control/sex education in developing countries.

I also learned in calculus that population growth is also exponential - more people you have, the faster the population grows and that growth is an exponential curve rather than linear curve. Some countries, like India, have more kids than adults as well so even if the Indian government forced 1 child per couple, the population would still increase drastically. Unfortunately they are a democracy so the people will never be okay with it. China, on other hand, will do whatever they want.

I don't have time to address other nonsense in your post. I will just say that if you are not a climate change denier and not an anti-vaxxer then you are not as big of an idiot as I thought you were. You are just paranoid.

[Akrazotile]

That's not why population explosions are happening. The reason is two-fold (more reasons but these two are the absolute largest): drop in mortality due to advances in medicine/vaccines/more focus on hygiene/nutrition/etc and secondly lack of access to birth control/sex education in developing countries.

I also learned in calculus that population growth is also exponential - more people you have, the faster the population grows. Some countries, like India, have more kids than adults as well so even if the Indian government forced 1 child per couple, the population would still increase drastically. Unfortunately they are a democracy so the people will never be okay with it. China, on other hand, will do whatever they want.

I don't have time to address other nonsense in your post. I will just say that if you are not a climate change denier and not an anti-vaxxer then you are not as big of an idiot as I thought you were. You are just paranoid.


You think third world countries invented and produce all the medicine and technology that has drastically reduced their mortality rates???

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[bladefd]

You think third world countries invented and produce all the medicine and technology that has drastically reduced their infant mortality rates???

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Third world countries have access to that medicine/technology from the first world countries along with research journals documenting everything. Advances are well documented and become global.

What? You thought all those third-world country people were stupid and illiterate too?

[Akrazotile]

Third world countries have access to that medicine/technology from the first world countries along with research journals documenting everything. Advances are well documented and become global.

What? You thought all those third-world country people were stupid and illiterate too?

W Bush admin committed record amounts of taxpayer $ to “fight AIDS in Africa”

Which was clearly, obviously, blatantly done as a handout to Big Pharm.

That kind of thing ruins our planet.

But special interest can pull it off by just dressing it up as “himanitarian, social justice” etc and they know youll be too scared to push back on it, because youre fake-intellectual and will only take left-wing media/mob approved positions. Youre scared of being called a bigot. Youre fear mongered into place like a little bitch.

I dont know how stupid and illiterate the third world is, but I know how stupid and illiterate YOU are. And it aint good.

[bladefd]

W Bush admin committed record amounts of taxpayer $ to “fight AIDS in Africa”

Which was clearly, obviously, blatantly done as a handout to Big Pharm.

That kind of thing ruins our planet.

But special interest can pull it off by just dressing it up as “himanitarian, social justice” etc and they know youll be too scared to push back on it, because youre fake-intellectual and will only take left-wing media/mob approved positions. Youre scared of being called a bigot. Youre fear mongered into place like a little bitch.

I dont know how stupid and illiterate the third world is, but I know how stupid and illiterate YOU are. And it aint good.

But humanitarian aid is not the cause for population growth in third-world countries. Basic point: countries like India and China don't need our humanitarian aid and still have extreme population growth.

[shlver]

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]W Bush admin committed record amounts of taxpayer $ to

[Akrazotile]

Interesting. The medical community and historians see it as favorable and Bush's greatest contribution to humanity. A Republican controlled congress extended PEPFAR to FY2023. Could you explain how it ruins our planet? Have you looked at the outcomes?


Yes:


https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/55d38ec0dd089595388b46c6-750-563.png

[Akrazotile]

But humanitarian aid is not the cause for population growth in third-world countries. Basic point: countries like India and China don't need our humanitarian aid and still have extreme population growth.

It's a significantly contributing factor in Africa and the Middle East (where population rate increase is the highest). Perhaps not in India or China, though I'm not sure those qualify broadly as "third world" at this point anyway.

However you're right, simply doing business with developing countries is also a significantly contributing catalyst to their rapid population expansion. Loaning them money, selling them agricultural tools, selling them weapons to hunt whatever remaining rhinos are left in their backyards.

And what has it gained us in the last quarter century? Some more apps for our phones? More widgets? Is life happier in America now than it was 25 years ago?

"Extinction is forever" brah.

:confusedshrug:

Not worth it if you ask me.

[shlver]

Yes:


https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/55d38ec0dd089595388b46c6-750-563.png
I knew you would go with overpopulation since it's a low level analysis of the situation. I don't think treating sufferers has any significant effect in the long term development of Africa and its population.
The growth in Africa's population inevitable. As long as China and other industrial countries are looking for cheap labor not replaceable by automation, Africa will become the factory of the world and their population will explode.
So do we let babies get AIDS and keep a pandemic ridden group of people ignorant of its contraction methods? I guess so, because overpopulation.

[Akrazotile]

I knew you would go with overpopulation since it's a low level analysis of the situation. I don't think treating sufferers has any significant effect in the long term development of Africa and its population.
The growth in Africa's population inevitable. As long as China and other industrial countries are looking for cheap labor not replaceable by automation, Africa will become the factory of the world and their population will explode.
So do we let babies get AIDS and keep a pandemic ridden group of people ignorant of its contraction methods? I guess so, because overpopulation.


I guess this is supposed to make me feel emotional and change my view then?

What obligation do American taxpayers have to care about babies on another continent that we have no cultural, and for most of us only remote ancestral connection to?

African humans have zero chance of going extinct in the next century, no matter how little "rescue" they get from the rest of the world.

Most other wild species on that continent, species that took hundreds of millions of years to evolve into existence and will disappear PERMANENTLY, probably will go extinct in the century directly because of our intervention on the continent.

Nice.

[shlver]

I guess this is supposed to make me feel emotional and change my view then?

What obligation do American taxpayers have to care about babies on another continent that we have no cultural, and for most of us only remote ancestral connection to?

African humans have zero chance of going extinct in the next century, no matter how little "rescue" they get from the rest of the world.

Most other wild species on that continent, species that took hundreds of millions of years to evolve into existence and will disappear PERMANENTLY, probably will go extinct in the century directly because of our intervention on the continent.

Nice.
No you're entitled to your view. I was simply asking what shaped your view. However, I'm more convinced of the outcomes accomplished by Bush's big pharma handout than your lazy presentation of overpopulation.

[Akrazotile]

You say goodbye

https://www.sunnyskyz.com/uploads/2017/05/mq04h-cheetah-family.jpg

https://img-aws.ehowcdn.com/750x428p/photos.demandstudios.com/getty/article/165/133/87690341_XS.jpg

https://cdn.britannica.com/s:500x350/04/152204-004-38B4CFBC.jpg


I say hello

https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2015/5/15/9c6eae873db348389bd0c9d1f5679378_18.jpg




:rolleyes: :(

[tpols]

I guess this is supposed to make me feel emotional and change my view then?

What obligation do American taxpayers have to care about babies on another continent that we have no cultural, and for most of us only remote ancestral connection to?

African humans have zero chance of going extinct in the next century, no matter how little "rescue" they get from the rest of the world.

Most other wild species on that continent, species that took hundreds of millions of years to evolve into existence and will disappear PERMANENTLY, probably will go extinct in the century directly because of our intervention on the continent.

Nice.


:biggums:

reported for racism mr.

[Akrazotile]

No you're entitled to your view. I was simply asking what shaped your view. However, I'm more convinced of the outcomes accomplished by Bush's big pharma handout than your lazy presentation of overpopulation.

Which part was lazy?

Supplying a chart produced by a UN population division, or positing its implications for indigenous African wildlife, which no knowledgeable conservationist would dispute?

If that's lazy, then imploring me to "think about the AIDS babies!" and somehow asserting George W Bush of all people as some kind of moral authority, well...

I'm not even sure what adjectives would aptly describe that line of thinking.


:confusedshrug:

[Akrazotile]

:biggums:

reported for racism mr.

I already self-reported the infraction and I'm fully cooperating with Jeff's investigation.

I will have no further comment on the matter while the investigation is ongoing.

[shlver]

Which part was lazy?

Supplying a chart produced by a UN population division, or positing its implications for indigenous African wildlife, which no knowledgeable conservationist would dispute?

If that's lazy, then imploring me to "think about the AIDS babies!" and somehow asserting George W Bush of all people as some kind of moral authority, well...

I'm not even sure what adjectives would aptly describe that line of thinking.


:confusedshrug:
A lazy response usually warrants another one.:lol

[Akrazotile]

A lazy response usually warrants another one.:lol


I suspect you made the hasty assumption that I am, or should be, more concerned about humans in Africa than wildlife and ecosystems. And perhaps human viability is the measure by which the reports you've read declared success.

However you would be mistaken in your assumption that such a measure is the foremost priority for everyone. Or that it should be.

Quadrupling the amount of humans in Africa at the expense of essentially everything else on the continent is not my definition of a global success.

Perhaps that's where we differ.

[bladefd]

It's a significantly contributing factor in Africa and the Middle East (where population rate increase is the highest). Perhaps not in India or China, though I'm not sure those qualify broadly as "third world" at this point anyway.

However you're right, simply doing business with developing countries is also a significantly contributing catalyst to their rapid population expansion. Loaning them money, selling them agricultural tools, selling them weapons to hunt whatever remaining rhinos are left in their backyards.

And what has it gained us in the last quarter century? Some more apps for our phones? More widgets? Is life happier in America now than it was 25 years ago?

"Extinction is forever" brah.

:confusedshrug:

Not worth it if you ask me.

Are you trying to now imply economic development in Africa is due to humanitarian aid? :facepalm

[Akrazotile]

Are you trying to now imply economic development in Africa is due to humanitarian aid? :facepalm


Highlight the specific sentences you are drawing that inference from.

Go.

[bladefd]

Highlight the specific sentences you are drawing that inference from.

Go.

"And what has it gained us in the last quarter century? Some more apps for our phones? More widgets? Is life happier in America now than it was 25 years ago?"

edit: you are being sarcastic so that's a bad inference. Forget it

[bladefd]

Still, the fact stands that you believe doing business with them is giving them the economic means for population growth. I'm telling you doing business with them and giving them humanitarian aid is not the reason for population growth.. The reason is drop in mortality and lack of birth control/sex education.

[Akrazotile]

Still, the fact stands that you believe doing business with them is giving them the economic means for population growth. I'm telling you doing business with them and giving them humanitarian aid is not the reason for population growth.. The reason is drop in mortality and lack of birth control/sex education.

WHAT do you think has suddenly caused dramatic changes in mortality in these places over the last half century?

Youve said it’s not humanitarian aid and it’s not economic development.

I dont know how you can be serious. What do you think it is? Magic??

[Prometheus]

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]WHAT do you think has suddenly caused dramatic changes in mortality in these places over the last half century?

Youve said it

[bladefd]

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]WHAT do you think has suddenly caused dramatic changes in mortality in these places over the last half century?

Youve said it

[Akrazotile]

Medicine innovation and vaccines have increased lifespans across the globe.. Things like measles vaccines, TB, etc are very cheap to make today in bulk and accessible to almost every hospital in the world and probably many family doctor clinics.

Diseases used to be rampant killers - google up reasons why mortality due to diseases has plummeted in last century. You will see reasons like improvements in hygiene/nutrition/diets/etc, antibiotics, better understanding of how to counter mosquito-ridden diseases.. Hell, other diseases too like heart diseases and lung diseases are down due to improvements in blood pressure medicines, fewer cigarette smokers, technology innovations, etc.

Quality of life has improved over last century across the world and continues to do so. Sure, economic development helps and so does humanitarian aid but they don't decrease mortality or increase populations on their own..

Yes, and these innovations, developments, educational advancements etc nearly ALWAYS come from the West. They are only disbursed into Africa via aid or economic interaction.

Our advancements don't just magically appear on the continent via osmosis.

You understand that, right?

For the love of god, at least confirm you understand THAT.

[Akrazotile]

nues to do so. Sure, economic development helps and so does humanitarian aid but they don't decrease mortality or increase populations on their own..



:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:


Then what else does? Because everything you just listed specifically arrives there via aid or economic exchange.

You don't even know which way you're arguing at this point. You're just rambling. You came into the thread armed with ONE sure talking point, "youre a climate denier!"

As soon as that didnt work you went into a tailspin and have been trying unsuccessfully to reboot your drive back to working capacity. You're like a malfunctioning computer, I swear to god. Your program has become faulty and you keep trying to restart in order to fix it. You have no conscious way to resolve the issue, you're just running an emergency program over and over because it's how you're programmed to deal with a hiccup.

I seriously think you're a robot. I swear to you, I really think you are.

[Kblaze8855]

It was like 78 degrees here a few days ago(by far a record high for the week) and the same people I work with who were repeating Trumps tweets on global warming were talking about how crazy hot it was and how they had to go cut their grass in the winter. 2 things are clear to me...

The people using specific day temperature to make a grand point on climate change are morons either way.

and

Whatever the climate is changing to isnt something America can turn around with so much of humanity pulling the other direction so **** it.

Lets see how much beachfront property gets gradually submerged.

I bet we dont lose a single major beach in my lifetime....but it will creep up eventually.

[Ben Simmons 25]

Lets see how much beachfront property gets gradually submerged.

I bet we dont lose a single major beach in my lifetime....but it will creep up eventually.


The projections are within 90 years iirc.

[Ben Simmons 25]

This article says Miami is screwed in 30 years...

https://www.inverse.com/article/46169-florida-miami-housing-climate-change-report

[Akrazotile]

It was like 78 degrees here a few days ago(by far a record high for the week) and the same people I work with who were repeating Trumps tweets on global warming were talking about how crazy hot it was and how they had to go cut their grass in the winter. 2 things are clear to me...

The people using specific day temperature to make a grand point on climate change are morons either way.

and

Whatever the climate is changing to isnt something America can turn around with so much of humanity pulling the other direction so **** it.

Lets see how much beachfront property gets gradually submerged.

I bet we dont lose a single major beach in my lifetime....but it will creep up eventually.


Yep. Just like continental drift, pangea etc.


Which Trump is ALSO responsible for, thank you very much :crazysam:



http://www.geologypage.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/pangaea.jpg

^ Trump's Fault :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

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climate change's argument isnt just that it's getting hotter... it's that climate is growing more volatile and unpredictable ~ hot, cold, storms everything included. which this article ironically verifies. They were supposedly getting 70 mph winds.
This. We've known this for some time now. Jeez Starface is an utter moron

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This. We've known this for some time now. Jeez Starface is an utter moron


https://www.carpal-tunnel.net/sites/default/files/images/phalen1.jpg


omg thtarface, ur thuch an utter moron



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Yes, and these innovations, developments, educational advancements etc nearly ALWAYS come from the West. They are only disbursed into Africa via aid or economic interaction.

Our advancements don't just magically appear on the continent via osmosis.

You understand that, right?

For the love of god, at least confirm you understand THAT.

You asked me what is causing population increases in developing countries. I told you that drop in mortality, which is caused by medicinal innovations and improvements in diet/hygiene/etc along with lack of access to birth control/sex education is what directly causes population growth in developing countries. Do you disagree with that?

I am not trying to argue with you where these innovations originated. You can argue that the quality of life improvements originated in the west, but that's a whole different argument if we discuss origin. Measles vaccine, tb vaccine, mri machines, blood pressure medications, research into dangers of cigarette smoking all originated in the west.

I already agreed with you about the origin argument when I said "Third world countries have access to that medicine/technology from the first world countries along with research journals documenting everything. Advances are well documented and become global."

I agree with you much of the world's medical research is done in America. What happens is a big Pharma corporation may open a branch in Africa or Middle East or Asia and they sell those same drugs there if the patent is theirs. You might even have a trade agreement giving permission for a developing country to develop their own generic drug with permission from the original corporation (perhaps with some money in compensation from the third world country) or if patent is expired then they don't need any permission or compensation. Is that what you are referring to?

Your original point:

I believe it was a death sentence to this planet to ever provide “humanitarian aid” to third world countries, which is now causing population explosions that are reeking havoc on the environment and catalyzing the extinction of tons of wildlife species.

You blamed humanitarian aid for population explosions and environmental issues. That's simply incorrect. Patents are not for ever. Sooner or later, the patents expire and generics end up in developing countries. Sooner or later, corporations would do business in developing countries. Regardless of whether there is humanitarian aid or not, those medical improvements would end up spreading to developing countries. It's how capitalism and free trade works. Ideas find a way to spread sooner or later. Do you understand what I am saying?