How many points would MJ average in today's league?

[72-10]

:banana:

career

[Real14]

40 to 45.

[kennethgriffen]

it would be hard for MJ to convince a coach to let him shoot 15 long 2's every game


but i think he could still average 25-30ppg or so

[andgar923]

it would be hard for MJ to convince a coach to let him shoot 15 long 2's every game


but i think he could still average 25-30ppg or so
Or he

[3ball]

it would be hard for MJ to convince a coach to let him shoot 15 long 2's every game


but i think he could still average 25-30ppg or so
It's funny because MJ could've shot like he did in the 92 Finals all the time

Okay maybe not 6 threes in a half, but at an elite level f he put his mind to it..

It's hard to fathom how crazy he would be if he wanted to make threes a staple of his game.. :bowdown:

Not that he needs it, since MVP's Westbrook and Giannis don't shoot them.. but if it was needed to win or make his team better, he'd do it

[Uncle Drew]

About as much as DeRozan currently is averaging.

[Rico2016]

it would be hard for MJ to convince a coach to let him shoot 15 long 2's every game


but i think he could still average 25-30ppg or so

:applause:

What ever DeMar Derozan is scoring these days. Similar player basically

[jstern]

Would love to see that matchup against Lebron. With Jordan competitiveness he would go at him really hard.

[fileman1209]

prime MJ

good team = 31-33ppg 54+FG%

bad team = 36-40ppg 50+FG%

[superduper]

it would be hard for MJ to convince a coach to let him shoot 15 long 2's every game


but i think he could still average 25-30ppg or so

He would 100% adjust to this era and start hard practising 3s.

Being that he's the GOAT mid range shooter and 84% FT shooter you have to be retarded to think that he wouldn't be at worst a top 7 3pt shooter in the league, not to forget his GOAT finishing ability in the paint as well in this open painted layup line 3pt chucking clown fest.

This era would be an absolute joke for MJ

[G0ATbe]

As other posters have mentioned, if you want a measuring stick always look to Demar Derozan.

[dbugz]

a conservative 40ppg

[And1AllDay]

As other posters have mentioned, if you want a measuring stick always look to Demar Derozan.

QFT

[Gus Hemmingway]

Or he’ll just get 10 layups and 8 and 1s for starters
unfortunately illegal defense doesn't exist anymore benefiting ISO players attacking the rim


Never the less, Mikely still holds NBA's record for most And-1's. Couldn't breath on him without getting quick 3 fouls

[Bronbron23]

:applause:

What ever DeMar Derozan is scoring these days. Similar player basically
Well except that mj was more athletic, taller, stronger, longer wingspan, bigger hands, was smarter, more competitive, a better leader, more stamina, could shoot better from every on the court, had better footwork, more post moves, better finisher, better passer, rebounder and defender. I'm probably missing a few things but besides all that and what I'm missing there pretty much identical:roll:

[Rico2016]

Well except that mj was more athletic, taller, stronger, longer wingspan, bigger hands, was smarter, more competitive, a better leader, more stamina, could shoot better from every on the court, had better footwork, more post moves, better finisher, better passer, rebounder and defender. I'm probably missing a few things but besides all that and what I'm missing there pretty much identical:roll:

Jordan never faced modern era athletic players he faced UPS drivers and auto mechanics...He would have no chance in this era

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Jordan never faced modern era athletic players he faced UPS drivers and auto mechanics...He would have no chance in this era



Yes, because humans clearly evolve in huge strides in 16-25 years. :facepalm


Wilt's records still intact from the 60's.

[Rico2016]

Yes, because humans clearly evolve in huge strides in 16-25 years. :facepalm


Wilt's records still intact from the 60's.

Wilt doesnt help the argument. He was a modern player against 60s eras scrubs
Jordan faced scrubs too so whats your point? They got less scrubby obviously.

Jordan was battling carpenters and window cleaners come on now man...

[FKAri]

Yes, because humans clearly evolve in huge strides in 16-25 years. :facepalm


Wilt's records still intact from the 60's.
You realize there's a difference between evolution of a sport and biological evolution, right? RIGHT? The 60's was definitely not as competitive as today. Viewership and number of people actually playing the game were way lower than today.

[3ball]

It's always the last resort for Bron fans to argue the mechanics and post men line

It's because their other arguments are destroyed:


Lebron stan: b-b-but lebron faced dynasties...
Rational thinker: why didn't he have the dynasty?

Lebron stan: lebron carried teams
Rational thinker: a lot of guys do

Lebron stan: teams collapse without him
Rational thinker: then he doesn't produce good teams or teamwork, 3/9*, 1-9

Lebron stan: 1-9
Rational thinker: no all-star teammates in a real conference


(Lebron fan cursing... :banghead: )


Lebron stan: he played car mechanics and mailmen.. :mad:
Rational thinker: :roll:

[Rico2016]

It's always the last resort for Bron fans to argue the mechanics and post men line

It's because their other arguments are destroyed:


Lebron stan: b-b-but lebron faced dynasties...
Rational thinker: why didn't he have the dynasty?

Lebron stan: lebron carried teams
Rational thinker: a lot of guys do

Lebron stan: teams collapse without him
Rational thinker: then he doesn't produce good teams or teamwork, 3/9*, 1-9

Lebron stan: 1-9
Rational thinker: no all-star teammates in a real conference


(Lebron fan cursing... :banghead: )


Lebron stan: he played car mechanics and mailmen.. :mad:
Rational thinker: :roll:

He played roofers and assembly line workers

[Gileraracer]

Harden, who is an absolute poor mans MJ, averages 36PPG. So MJ would probably average at least 4 more.

[ImKobe]

Jordan would have developed a 3-pointer in this era. He was one of the GOAT mid-range shooters, you don't think he could have adjusted and become better?

Westbrook averaged ~32 ppg and he was never known as a good shooter.

MJ also shot 35% and 37% from three in the seasons that he attempted more than two per game (excluding the shortened 3-point line ones).

[Bawkish]

80's MJ would explode in today's era

he would push himself to get 40, damn the critics

90's MJ would just pace himself not exceeding 32 ppg

he'd be playing 4D chess with today's era of checkers

[julizaver]

:banana:

career

To be objective - career around the same maybe 1-2 up and his career minutes reduced by 2-3 minutes. He would score easily today with greater efficiency due to softer defenses and more open spaces to the basket. His minutes will be reduced also and he would play around 35 to 36 minutes at best. With his talent he would develop the 3pt shoot and he would adapt his style - no doubt in my mind.

A lot of younger posters need to understand that today's athletes are not better athlete than MJ, they are not faster, not quicker, not more explosive and 99.5 % can't jump like him. He can score over everybody and no defense can stop him. Even at 40 he can still compete with younger guys. Phil Jackson give the edge to MJ when comparing him to Bryant - a player who played in the modern era until recently.

[madmax]

About as much as DeRozan currently is averaging.

:applause:
MJ stans find it hard to fathom that their hero is just a shorter Derozan who played in an era of out of shape plumbers and mechanics trying to guard him

[Nikola_]

39,19 ppg

[Shaquille O'Neal]

You realize there's a difference between evolution of a sport and biological evolution, right? RIGHT? The 60's was definitely not as competitive as today. Viewership and number of people actually playing the game were way lower than today.



So more exposure, viewership and popularity automatically means the average millennial player can run, jump and shoot better than the guys 30 years ago?
Plenty of players from the 70's and up were extremely athletic.
At the end of the day they're all athletes trying to put the ball in the hole over people trying to stop you. Now the rules are favored for no defense.
If anything the game has devolved, not evolved. This isn't like trying to compare college football from the 1880's with leather helmets to today. Athletes aren't necessarily that much better - just practice chucking up 3's.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

To be objective - career around the same maybe 1-2 up and his career minutes reduced by 2-3 minutes. He would score easily today with greater efficiency due to softer defenses and more open spaces to the basket. His minutes will be reduced also and he would play around 35 to 36 minutes at best. With his talent he would develop the 3pt shoot and he would adapt his style - no doubt in my mind.

A lot of younger posters need to understand that today's athletes are not better athlete than MJ, they are not faster, not quicker, not more explosive and 99.5 % can't jump like him. He can score over everybody and no defense can stop him. Even at 40 he can still compete with younger guys. Phil Jackson give the edge to MJ when comparing him to Bryant - a player who played in the modern era until recently.



This. 100%. I feel like us older posters (in our 40's) argue with these kids like I do my 12 year old when he says "The Avengers" is the greatest movie of all time. SMH...:facepalm

[TheCorporation]

Well since he wouldn't be guarded by Hornacek and John Starks but rather Kawhi and Draymond...25 ppg on .469%

[Hey Yo]

It's funny because MJ could've shot like he did in the 92 Finals all the time

Okay maybe not 6 threes in a half, but at an elite level f he put his mind to it..

It's hard to fathom how crazy he would be if he wanted to make threes a staple of his game.. :bowdown:

Not that he needs it, since MVP's Westbrook and Giannis don't shoot them.. but if it was needed to win or make his team better, he'd do it
He tried to make it a staple but realized after many attempts over and over in practice, that it wouldn't be smart to add it to his repertoire.

Then Stern did him a favor by moving the 3pt line in, right to MJ's long 2 range.

[TheBranStan]

He can't shoot 3s so he'd basically be DeRozan.

[Hey Yo]

unfortunately illegal defense doesn't exist anymore benefiting ISO players attacking the rim


Never the less, Mikely still holds NBA's record for most And-1's. Couldn't breath on him without getting quick 3 fouls
Yep ...... MJ said 15yrs ago that if illegal defense did exist back then, he would have never had the career that he did.

Cant argue with straight quotes from MJ's mouth.

[Phoenix]

He tried to make it a staple but realized after many attempts over and over in practice, that it wouldn't be smart to add it to his repertoire.

Then Stern did him a favor by moving the 3pt line in, right to MJ's long 2 range.


So why did he push it back out again in 97 while MJ was still playing, if the move was in service to him?

[Bronbron23]

Jordan never faced modern era athletic players he faced UPS drivers and auto mechanics...He would have no chance in this era
I always find it funny when peole say mj didn't face athletic players and teams. Knicks, spurs, sonics, magic, hornets were as athletic as any team in the NBA now.

If you look at the 2 top teams in each conference there not even all that athletic tbh and are definitely less athletic than the teams I mentioned. Warriors and rockets arnt crazy athletic. Neither are the Celtics and the raptors. Saying this era is way more athletic is just a flat out lie.

[Hey Yo]

So why did he push it back out again in 97 while MJ was still playing, if the move was in service to him?
Cause Stern watched the Bulls win 72 games and the title pretty easily. Figured MJ didnt need anymore help.

[Phoenix]

Cause Stern watched the Bulls win 72 games and the title pretty easily. Figured MJ didnt need anymore help.

Oh ok, so by stripping 35 year old MJ of the shorter 3 pointer in 98 he surely lost that year, right?

[Hey Yo]

Oh ok, so by stripping 35 year old MJ of the shorter 3 pointer in 98 he surely lost that year, right?
Nobody expected his opposition was capable of only scoring 54pts in a Finals game. Or the oppositions 2nd and 3rd leading scorers would avg. 10ppg

[Phoenix]

Nobody expected his opposition was capable of only scoring 54pts in a Finals game. Or the oppositions 2nd and 3rd leading scorers would avg. 10ppg

Oh absolutely. Can you also remind us for the 1000th time of the 2 years break he took for mental exhaustion? I mean how much help did this loser need? :confusedshrug:

[And1AllDay]

Pretty much whatever DeMar putting up these days lemme check

edit: Mike would put up 22-6-6 on 46% and 17% from 3 sounds about right

[And1AllDay]

About as much as DeRozan currently is averaging.

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[72-10]

[QUOTE=andgar923]Or he

[72-10]

It would be a boring scoring affair that's for sure.

[72-10]

Well since he wouldn't be guarded by Hornacek and John Starks but rather Kawhi and Draymond...25 ppg on .469%

Starks got DPOY votes in 93

[And1AllDay]

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[And1AllDay]

Starks got DPOY votes in 93

So just tryna further prove how weak the perimeter player defenders were then becos thats what your doing :oldlol: :oldlol:

And to answer thread
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[bigkingsfan]

Starks got DPOY votes in 93
He had one vote, and that was more of a joke than anything.

"Ty Lawson and David Lee each got an MVP vote in 2013.

David Lee got a Defensive Player of the Year vote in 2010.

Darrell Armstrong won both Most Improved and Sixth Man in 1999 and also got multiple MVP votes.

Rik Smits, Rod Strickland, Michael Redd, Mike Bibby, Anthony Mason, Jalen Rose, Jamal Mashburn, Cedric Ceballos, Jerry Stackhouse, and Michael Finley all got an MVP vote at one point or another."

[72-10]

I'm not surprised that those players got a vote. In fact, I'm surprised that Stackhouse didn't get more than one vote...